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peggysue2

(11,042 posts)
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 03:28 PM Jun 2019

Black Lawmakers Have Joe Biden's Back Following Segregationist Comments

Members of the Congressional Black Caucus were quick to defend Joe Biden after the uproar over comments claiming Biden had worked with segregationists to 'get things done.' Jim Clyburn was quoted as follows:

I worked with Strom Thurmond all my life,” House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.), the highest-ranking African American in Congress, said of the infamous segregationist senator. “You don’t have to agree with people to work with them.”



It appears that a number of CBC members would refute the idea that Biden is the 'most tone deaf politician in American history.'

Which btw would be Donald Trump.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/19/joe-biden-segregationist-comments-1370844

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Black Lawmakers Have Joe Biden's Back Following Segregationist Comments (Original Post) peggysue2 Jun 2019 OP
Not surprised. Another much ado about nothing, attempted attack that failed. George II Jun 2019 #1
After what de Blasio said today customerserviceguy Jun 2019 #26
I didn't see DeBlasio, I forget that he's a candidate. As a New Yorker I have reservations about... George II Jun 2019 #29
Many do! customerserviceguy Jun 2019 #32
i don't know what de blasio said but if he is attacking Biden that alone would probably help Biden JI7 Jun 2019 #40
Thanks, peggysue2, and THANKS, James Clyburn! elleng Jun 2019 #2
You're quite welcome peggysue2 Jun 2019 #35
I agree True Blue American Jun 2019 #3
The CBC is NOT a Monolithic Block.... LovingA2andMI Jun 2019 #4
Thankfully, no one at all (other than yourself) is arguing or implying otherwise. LanternWaste Jun 2019 #5
No, but the ones who weighed in have Cha Jun 2019 #18
Thanks for posting these illuminating comments. nt emmaverybo Jun 2019 #30
Of course they have his back just like me because they're experts on whiteness underthematrix Jun 2019 #6
And they are correct wyldwolf Jun 2019 #7
Objecting to reviving memories of James Eastland isn't poutrage. BlueWI Jun 2019 #9
Mr. Clyburn is correct to defend the statement wyldwolf Jun 2019 #11
It's one thing to signal civility and bipartisanship. BlueWI Jun 2019 #13
This is much ado about nothing, and Joe Biden's frontrunner status. I predict, like all the other.. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2019 #8
Not all of the black community supports Biden. BlueWI Jun 2019 #14
No, but he has a strong showing with POC.. and Cha Jun 2019 #16
Not all of the black community supports any one candidate, but wait till we get to South Carolina. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2019 #42
It's all good. BlueWI Jun 2019 #46
I really don't like the Biden vs. Everyone Else narrative at all renate Jun 2019 #10
I've been on social media too long because I looked for a 'thumbs up' button for your reply. wyldwolf Jun 2019 #12
Members of the Congressional Black Caucus were quick to defend Joe Biden Cha Jun 2019 #15
Thank you to the CBC caucus.. yes its hard to understand but people had to Peacetrain Jun 2019 #17
And, Shirley Chisholm visited George Wallace in the hospital after he had been shot loyalsister Jun 2019 #19
It's a nothing burger for me as well. ecstatic Jun 2019 #20
I'm getting the feeling that the RW is pushing hard to divide us and against the, for now, front emmaverybo Jun 2019 #31
K! Cha Jun 2019 #21
Thank You, James Clyburn, Hakeem Jeffries, Cha Jun 2019 #22
David Sirota's attack failed miserably LibFarmer Jun 2019 #23
Symone tweets out for Joe Biden.. Cha Jun 2019 #24
Symone Sanders is a very good spokeswoman . . . peggysue2 Jun 2019 #33
Yes, I was so grateful for Cha Jun 2019 #36
Another great find, Cha. Symone offered great info/perspective R B Garr Jun 2019 #38
Symone did do! Cha Jun 2019 #39
K Cha Jun 2019 #25
Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump DonaldsRump Jun 2019 #27
"black law makers" saidsimplesimon Jun 2019 #28
They're a caucus. Cha Jun 2019 #37
Black Lawmakers comes right from the headline peggysue2 Jun 2019 #41
If you disagree with Clyburn.... quickesst Jun 2019 #34
K&R Scurrilous Jun 2019 #43
According to Symone Sanders, Biden did not praise a segregationist Gothmog Jun 2019 #44
James Clyburn is siding with Joe Biden on this issue Gothmog Jun 2019 #45
K! Cha Jun 2019 #47
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
1. Not surprised. Another much ado about nothing, attempted attack that failed.
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 03:33 PM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
26. After what de Blasio said today
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 10:21 PM
Jun 2019

I expect him to beat that drum in his portion of the debate. He needs headlines, and he needs them quickly.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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George II

(67,782 posts)
29. I didn't see DeBlasio, I forget that he's a candidate. As a New Yorker I have reservations about...
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 10:26 PM
Jun 2019

...him even as Mayor.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
32. Many do!
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 10:40 PM
Jun 2019

In case anybody missed the story, here it is:

https://ijr.com/bill-de-blasio-biden-segregationists-senate/

One thing that Trump and de Blasio have in common is that they're both NYC attack dogs. They're not Amy Klobuchar's "Minnesota Nice" or Cory Booker's "Love and Unity" or Beto O'Rourke's self-effacement apology tour.

Since de Blasio got some headlines out of his comments, I expect him to go back to that well again and again. There's a fight for the African-American vote, and Joe has most of it at this point. I lived outside of NYC, but within it's media market, and I never even heard of de Blasio when he was running for mayor, until he ran commercials showing his son with a 70's-style Afro saying "If I could vote, I'd vote for Bill de Blasio, even if he wasn't my Dad," while cutting away to a shot of the son and father.

Bill de Blasio's used his family before for election to higher office, I don't doubt he'd do it again.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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JI7

(89,566 posts)
40. i don't know what de blasio said but if he is attacking Biden that alone would probably help Biden
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 01:16 AM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

elleng

(133,070 posts)
2. Thanks, peggysue2, and THANKS, James Clyburn!
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 03:34 PM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

peggysue2

(11,042 posts)
35. You're quite welcome
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 12:32 AM
Jun 2019

I was glad to see the immediate support.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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True Blue American

(18,037 posts)
3. I agree
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 03:37 PM
Jun 2019

Am also a little tired of all the attacks on Joe, no matter what he says.

These are Trump tactics and Democrats need to quit dividing.

When James Clynurn stands up fo Joe you know he is right. People who disagree work together all the time to accomplish things. Look at Tip ONeil and Reagan. We need more of that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
4. The CBC is NOT a Monolithic Block....
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 03:37 PM
Jun 2019

Neither are African-Americans. One can always find some that agree and many, many more that disagree.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
5. Thankfully, no one at all (other than yourself) is arguing or implying otherwise.
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 03:39 PM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(300,279 posts)
18. No, but the ones who weighed in have
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 06:44 PM
Jun 2019

Biden's Back. And, they know what it's like to find it necessary to work with someone you don't agree with.

Clyburn wasn’t alone in his support of Biden, a longtime friend. In interviews with roughly a dozen CBC members, most defended Biden, who has long relationships with the caucus’ most senior members after a 36-year tenure in the Senate.

House Democratic Caucus Chairman Hakeem Jeffries (D-N.Y.) said he had yet to see Biden’s full remarks from the fundraiser but agreed with his overall sentiment.

“I disagree with the overwhelming items that have come out of the mouth of Donald J. Trump. But we managed to work together with his administration to enact historic criminal justice reform,” Jeffries said.

“I think we here in the House Democratic Caucus have ourselves taken the position that sometimes you have to work with the opposition to the extent they’re in power without compromising your values if you can get things done.”
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,146 posts)
30. Thanks for posting these illuminating comments. nt
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 10:27 PM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
6. Of course they have his back just like me because they're experts on whiteness
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 03:40 PM
Jun 2019

and they get what this is all about. I still love and respect all the other Democratic candidates. I think most are amazing and courageous and smart.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

wyldwolf

(43,879 posts)
7. And they are correct
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 03:48 PM
Jun 2019

Great gobs of gooseshit 'progressives' rival Republicans when it comes to poutrage. Lies, distractions, exaggerations, anything to gain a foothold.

This is the part where they tell African-Americans and lawmakers how they should feel about Biden.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BlueWI

(1,736 posts)
9. Objecting to reviving memories of James Eastland isn't poutrage.
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 04:03 PM
Jun 2019

Of all senators to pick to demonstrate your commitment to civility, Biden picked the one who was excoriating the idea of racial equality in the midst of multiple political murders of black activists in his own state.

Mr. Clyburn is wrong to defend the statement. Even if we wanted to draw from the book of cliches and say, while we abhor the Senator Eastland's legacy of racism, we are ready to move forward to a unified America, etc etc, this would be an improvement over the cringe worthy remarks. You can like the candidate and encourage more political savviness in how the same point is made.

I wonder how many of us even know what a virulent opponent to black humanity Eastland was. Clyburn obviously does, but from his leadership position, he has reason to act as a surrogate. So be it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

wyldwolf

(43,879 posts)
11. Mr. Clyburn is correct to defend the statement
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 04:14 PM
Jun 2019

It's a ridiculous proposition to think examples of Democrats working with Republicans - no matter how racist the Republican might have been - should never be spoken of, especially framed in the way Biden did it: People on complete opposite ends of issue can still do the people's work and pass legislation together.

FDR worked with southern racists to get votes for the New Deal.

Patty Murray and Lamar Alexander worked to get Every Student Succeeds Act passed.

Tip O'Neill worked with Ronald Reagan extensively.

History is full of examples of this.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BlueWI

(1,736 posts)
13. It's one thing to signal civility and bipartisanship.
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 05:30 PM
Jun 2019

It's another thing to use Senator James Eastland and his racist legacy as your example of choice.

And I wouldn't highly recommend Tip O'Neill's work with Ronald Reagan on tax cuts as an example of bipartisanship either - how did that work out?

Lamar Alexander would be a better example. And if I were handling Biden's communication, I would suggest that some greater intentionality in his examples would help his campaign in the longer run.

It was a gaffe - nothing more, nothing less. Digging heels in helps no one.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Tarheel_Dem

(31,320 posts)
8. This is much ado about nothing, and Joe Biden's frontrunner status. I predict, like all the other..
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 03:51 PM
Jun 2019

faux scandals, this one won't work either. Having been in government for as long as Joe Biden, the black community knows who he is, and most of all, we know where his heart is.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BlueWI

(1,736 posts)
14. Not all of the black community supports Biden.
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 05:32 PM
Jun 2019

Personally, I am more concerned about policies and staging a winning campaign than where his heart is, if that could even be determined.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Cha

(300,279 posts)
16. No, but he has a strong showing with POC.. and
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 06:26 PM
Jun 2019

right now he's ahead in South Carolina.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Tarheel_Dem

(31,320 posts)
42. Not all of the black community supports any one candidate, but wait till we get to South Carolina.
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 02:41 AM
Jun 2019

Personally, I don't much care what you're "concerned about".

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BlueWI

(1,736 posts)
46. It's all good.
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 08:28 AM
Jun 2019

Although if you're a Democrat and not concerned about winning, that would be odd.

Charge on.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

renate

(13,776 posts)
10. I really don't like the Biden vs. Everyone Else narrative at all
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 04:06 PM
Jun 2019

For one thing, there's a good chance he'll be the nominee.

For another, his eight years at Obama's side would make him a damn good president, making the things he's done or said in the past as a senator less germane. (Admittedly, Strom Thurmond is maybe not the best example for him to bring up in this case. He does have a gaffe problem. But it's not helpful to expect perfection from anybody, let alone anybody whose opposite number is Donald Trump.)

I'm sick of the ugliness of politics and I'm sure I wouldn't be alone in being drawn to a party whose members are all part of a team. I love the way that Democrats don't just fall in line like Republicans do, but we literally have to win the next election if we're going to survive as a country; the infighting can start anew once we have a functioning government again.

I'm glad the CBC members dealt with this quickly.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

wyldwolf

(43,879 posts)
12. I've been on social media too long because I looked for a 'thumbs up' button for your reply.
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 04:16 PM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(300,279 posts)
15. Members of the Congressional Black Caucus were quick to defend Joe Biden
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 05:36 PM
Jun 2019

Thank You, Black lawmakers! .. We got your back, too!

Mahalo, Peggysue!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Peacetrain

(23,308 posts)
17. Thank you to the CBC caucus.. yes its hard to understand but people had to
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 06:36 PM
Jun 2019

move those on the other side of the aisle to get things done.. If you can't move them to get it done.. then you have to work to get them voted out.. with a smile on your face.. Biden is very good at this.. What makes it different now is the internet.. 30 people get together and actually think they represent the rest of the country.. and 2010 redistricting.. God save me all those better than thou types..

If I were to vote in a presidential
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loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
19. And, Shirley Chisholm visited George Wallace in the hospital after he had been shot
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 06:52 PM
Jun 2019

Showing kindness is a good thing. But, politics being what it is, I'm going to trust my own judgement.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

ecstatic

(33,138 posts)
20. It's a nothing burger for me as well.
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 07:07 PM
Jun 2019

Biden isn't a racist. His full comment was edited down to hide the context of what he was saying. I'm getting the feeling that other campaigns are desperately trying to move black voters away from him. These tactics might work on millennial voters, but it's not going to move the more cynical genx+ voters.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,146 posts)
31. I'm getting the feeling that the RW is pushing hard to divide us and against the, for now, front
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 10:38 PM
Jun 2019

runner. We can expect them to use liberal forums, blogs, comment sections of online news journals, all forms of social media to do this. And YouTube.
It is important to do what you did, Ecstatic, to get the full comment.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(300,279 posts)
22. Thank You, James Clyburn, Hakeem Jeffries,
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 09:11 PM
Jun 2019

and all the Black lawmakers who have Biden's back

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LibFarmer

(772 posts)
23. David Sirota's attack failed miserably
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 09:13 PM
Jun 2019

It was propagated via Charlie Pierce who should retire.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(300,279 posts)
24. Symone tweets out for Joe Biden..
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 09:29 PM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

peggysue2

(11,042 posts)
33. Symone Sanders is a very good spokeswoman . . .
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 12:28 AM
Jun 2019

for Joe Biden. But look at those comments in her thread! Very nasty.

This is going to be a lo-o-ong primary.

I was glad to see the CBC quickly come to Biden's defense. The pushback is important.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(300,279 posts)
36. Yes, I was so grateful for
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 12:36 AM
Jun 2019

the CBC having Biden's Back!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

R B Garr

(17,175 posts)
38. Another great find, Cha. Symone offered great info/perspective
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 12:44 AM
Jun 2019

about Biden’s first campaign.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(300,279 posts)
39. Symone did do!
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 12:52 AM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DonaldsRump

(7,715 posts)
27. Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 10:24 PM
Jun 2019

That's (almost) all I have to say at the moment.

Any Democratic candidate is light years ahead of the Orange/Apricot shitwit, and I will support that Democratic candidate who wins the nomination.

All: don't you find it incredible that on the day that Hope Hicks and the White House totally stonewalled the US House of Reps, that this "story" about Biden somehow is the top story. Do you really think it's that important in relation to all the disasters around us?

Before bashing ANY Democratic candidate, please considered whether you/we/all of us are getting played. 2020 is not that far away. While we all have our favorites, there is a greater goal, and we all know the manipulation confronting this election. Please, please, please consider this.

Peace and love,
DonaldsRump

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
28. "black law makers"
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 10:24 PM
Jun 2019

I detest separating our party along color lines.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Cha

(300,279 posts)
37. They're a caucus.
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 12:37 AM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

peggysue2

(11,042 posts)
41. Black Lawmakers comes right from the headline
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 01:21 AM
Jun 2019

And as Cha mentioned: they're a caucus.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

quickesst

(6,290 posts)
34. If you disagree with Clyburn....
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 12:30 AM
Jun 2019

....not only are you anti-Biden, you are anti-Clyburn. Can't have it both ways. Some people have been wanting Dems to fight fire with fire. Seems some have taken to it like ducks to water. I really don't understand why they think people will believe this crapola, but sadder still that some people do.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Gothmog

(148,695 posts)
44. According to Symone Sanders, Biden did not praise a segregationist
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 06:43 PM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(148,695 posts)
45. James Clyburn is siding with Joe Biden on this issue
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 07:05 PM
Jun 2019

This is very nice to see https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/06/20/why-joe-biden-is-so-defensive-over-his-remarks-about-segregationists/?utm_term=.ab8bb7949ad8

Biden has powerful Democratic backers on this: The highest-ranking African American member of Congress, House Majority Whip James E. Clyburn (D-S.C.), told reporters Wednesday he understands where Biden is coming from and that he, too, worked with people such as Strom Thurmond. Other black Democrats in Congress tried to frame Biden’s words in charitable ways.

“I think the sentiment is something that we all know in the legislative body — that you work with people you don’t agree with,” Rep. Cedric L. Richmond (D-La.), a co-chairman of Biden’s campaign, said.

The Clyburn comment in particular is helpful to Biden. If there’s one friend in Congress you want to make as a Democratic presidential candidate, it’s probably Clyburn. He rules South Carolina Democratic politics, and South Carolina is the first early voting state with a majority black Democratic primary voters. Biden and his opponents will be campaigning in South Carolina this weekend at Clyburn’s famous fish fry.
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