Fri May 31, 2019, 04:56 PM

Bradshaw3 (7,060 posts)

Warren leads again: proposes legislation so presidents can be indicted

As she has on so many issues, Elizabeth Warren is demonstrating leadership in proposing comprehensive legislation that would, among other things, allow a sitting president to be indicted.

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"she would pursue new legislation to strip the current protections and, on the administration side, pledged to appoint Justice Department officials who will reverse flawed policies so no President is shielded from criminal accountability.'"

On Wallace's show just now they gave Warren credit for speaking plainly on an issue that many Americans didn't realize was in practicality under DOJ guidelines the case, that a President is above the law.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/31/politics/elizabeth-warren-law-presidents-trump-indictment/index.html

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Warren leads again: proposes legislation so presidents can be indicted (Original post)	Bradshaw3	May 2019	OP
Still undecided	get the red out	May 2019	#1
Doesn't that hand the argument to the pukes	LuvLoogie	May 2019	#2
No, Dems can do both at once	Bradshaw3	May 2019	#4
As it stands, now, a president is either indictable or not indictable, under current law.	LuvLoogie	May 2019	#11
This would then strengthen the impeachment process...	LuvLoogie	May 2019	#13
I keep thinking...	DURHAM D	May 2019	#3
She continues to impress	mcar	May 2019	#5
been saying that here for a few days now. the president, any president is in fact above	Kurt V.	May 2019	#6
It would go straight to the Supreme Court.	Honeycombe8	May 2019	#7
To paraphrase the Lizzie Borden rhyme:	abqtommy	May 2019	#8
Not a good idea...every Democratic President could face indictment.	Demsrule86	May 2019	#9
Correct.	Mr.Bill	May 2019	#12
Warren is a born leader... would make a good running mate with the Bern leader!!	InAbLuEsTaTe	May 2019	#10

Response to Bradshaw3 (Original post)

Fri May 31, 2019, 04:57 PM

get the red out (13,439 posts)

1. Still undecided

But she is starting to reel me in.

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Fri May 31, 2019, 04:58 PM

LuvLoogie (6,376 posts)

2. Doesn't that hand the argument to the pukes

that under current law a President can't be indicted. Why cede them that ground?

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Fri May 31, 2019, 05:01 PM

Bradshaw3 (7,060 posts)

4. No, Dems can do both at once

They can say the guidelines are wrong while also proposing legislation that would ensure that it becomes law. And if we worry about how they are going to paint it, then we have already ceded the ground to them.

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Fri May 31, 2019, 06:08 PM

LuvLoogie (6,376 posts)

11. As it stands, now, a president is either indictable or not indictable, under current law.

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Trying to make a law that the president is indictable cedes the conclusion that, right now, the president is not indictable. The tack to take would be to sue that the "cannot indict a sitting president" policy is unconstitutional.

It is not a case of worrying about how they paint it, but how we will have painted it.

You can't do the "two things at a time" because one is a fall back solution in the case that the president is, indeed, not indictable. That argument is premature and undermines the argument that the president is, currently, indictable.

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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to LuvLoogie (Reply #11)

Fri May 31, 2019, 07:07 PM

LuvLoogie (6,376 posts)

13. This would then strengthen the impeachment process...

one of the articles of impeachment would read. "The President stands indicted BY GRAND JURY of the the charge...
evidence is..."

Finding a policy unconstitutional would happen more quickly than getting a new law passed. Elizabeth Warren knows this. It's like Bernie FINALLY offering up a single payer healthcare bill AFTER the House and Senate fall under Republican control

That would be called "showboating."

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Fri May 31, 2019, 04:59 PM

DURHAM D (32,269 posts)