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Mon May 6, 2019, 09:23 AM

 

Seriously, Bernie?

Wow.

But I probably should stop being surprised


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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 6, 2019, 09:26 AM

1. He won't be needing a running mate of any sort.

 

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Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #1)

Mon May 6, 2019, 09:28 AM

4. not nice, but very funny

 

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Response to still_one (Reply #4)

Mon May 6, 2019, 10:25 AM

21. And true.

 

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Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #1)

Mon May 6, 2019, 10:07 AM

15. Preach!

 

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #15)

Mon May 6, 2019, 10:42 AM

31. Lucky he didn't say that in SC

 

or NC , or VA, or somewhere further south. It could have have effected his chances in the elections
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Response to crazytown (Reply #31)

Mon May 6, 2019, 10:58 AM

46. Good thing, eh?

 



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Response to crazytown (Reply #31)

Mon May 6, 2019, 10:58 AM

47. He only says things like that in "safe" states like Iowa and Vermont.

 

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Response to George II (Reply #47)

Mon May 6, 2019, 11:02 AM

49. And lucky it wasn't on TV either,

 

the ‘wrong’ people could be watching
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Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #1)

Mon May 6, 2019, 10:45 AM

39. This

 

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Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #1)

Mon May 6, 2019, 11:22 AM

69. That's why it would be silly to consider it. See? Bernie is right.

 

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Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #1)

Mon May 6, 2019, 01:11 PM

104. What is with him? Just a simple "of course" and he can't come up with it.

 

I'll just use an old term from the past—not ready for prime time.
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Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #1)

Mon May 6, 2019, 04:08 PM

126. Very true

 

Every time he opens his mouth he puts his foot into it. He'll be left with only his cultists; not nearly enough.
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Response to NastyRiffraff (Reply #126)

Mon May 6, 2019, 06:48 PM

156. LIKE YOU SAID, puts in his foot ikn his mouth. And What he is saying about Biden is Sickening !!!

 

I AM SICK OF THIS STUFF !!!!!!!!!
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Response to trueblue2007 (Reply #156)

Tue May 7, 2019, 11:05 AM

172. Me too

 

After he promised to run on the issues, he's trashing Joe Biden, and he'll do the same to others if/when they surge. Particularly if it's a woman.

Biden isn't my first choice, but he's a good man. If he wins the nomination I'll work my ass off to get him elected.
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Response to NastyRiffraff (Reply #172)

Tue May 7, 2019, 08:08 PM

180. I would say something, yet ya know....

 

After he promised to run on the issues, he's trashing Joe Biden, and he'll do the same to others if/when they surge. Particularly if it's a woman.
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Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #1)

Tue May 7, 2019, 12:13 AM

167. Did you bother to listen to this interview?

 

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Response to rgbecker (Reply #167)

Tue May 7, 2019, 07:56 PM

177. I watched it

 

It's worse on the video than in print.
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 6, 2019, 09:26 AM

2. Playing to some subgroups?

 

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 6, 2019, 09:27 AM

3. Effie, glad to see you here!!!

 

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Response to still_one (Reply #3)

Mon May 6, 2019, 11:49 AM

84. Seconded!

 

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 6, 2019, 09:34 AM

5. While it was stupid to say, he might have had a point if he hadn't already said:

 


"I think we would look for somebody who is maybe not of the same gender that I am, and maybe somebody who might be a couple of years younger than me,” Sanders, who jumped into the race this week, said of a possible VP pick during an appearance on the "The Young Turks," a left-leaning web series.


Sanders says he's leaning towards selecting a woman for VP if he's 2020 Dem nominee
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Response to LongtimeAZDem (Reply #5)

Mon May 6, 2019, 09:39 AM

9. Every politician makes a gaffe. But not all get the pass that Senator Sanders does

 

even when he doubles down after being fact checked.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #9)

Mon May 6, 2019, 10:29 AM

23. Or on the flipside... whenever Bernie makes a gaffe he gets hammered for it...

 

Even on DU.

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Response to Chakaconcarne (Reply #23)

Mon May 6, 2019, 10:31 AM

24. Not by Sanders supporters.

 

I find that even fact checking of Sanders is often called "a hit job" by many on DU.

I think that Sanders sets that tone.
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Response to ehrnst (Reply #9)

Mon May 6, 2019, 07:22 PM

162. Bookmarking. n/t

 

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Response to LongtimeAZDem (Reply #5)

Mon May 6, 2019, 09:41 AM

10. In the same interview - right before he said this, he said he'd consider a woman

 

But when asked about a person of color, he went all “Humana Humana” and said it was premature and silly to consider it.

https://m.&t=1795&feature=youtu.be

But he did go to a big speech that MLK gave 56 years ago, so I guess this is no big deal.
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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #10)

Mon May 6, 2019, 10:31 AM

25. Agree. The contrast between the two answers, seconds apart, was really bad.

 

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #10)

Mon May 6, 2019, 10:32 AM

27. +1000. (nt)

 

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #10)

Mon May 6, 2019, 10:47 AM

40. He has made an even stronger statement about picking a woman.

 

I quoted it below. You are clearly spot on to notice the difference.
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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #10)

Mon May 6, 2019, 11:07 AM

51. It is POSSIBLE, just possible, that Sanders felt several questions coming about a VP choice,

 

and didn't want to go any further with it, so he tried to shut it down. I don't know. I've seen him respond this way in the past about some issue... to answer a question or 2 and then want to not go farther with it.

But, this SURE at least looked really bad, no doubt about it..
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Response to pangaia (Reply #51)

Mon May 6, 2019, 11:28 AM

72. If so, he could have said, "Of course I would consider a woman of color, but we're getting

 

ahead of ourselves."

But, he didn't.
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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #10)

Mon May 6, 2019, 11:14 AM

62. Exactly. This question followed would he consider a woman,

 

it didn't come out of nowhere. Instead, after a strong affirmative for a woman VP, it generated a long pause followed by "silly" and "premature."

I'm taking this as further evidence for my theory that he feels black support would injure him with large numbers of the white socially conservative populists whose support he must gain. He does also need to satisfy his liberal and farther-left supporters that they're not part of an essentially white movement, but that's all.

He's really very bad at it.
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Response to Hortensis (Reply #62)

Mon May 6, 2019, 12:33 PM

96. Nailed it again, Hortensis. That's what it does look like--

 

a calculated response meant to appeal to subgroups. Interesting his unequivocating and immediate support and compliments for Trump on NK, an immediate okay for a woman running mate, but an immediate shutdown and dismissal of an AA running mate. Not subtle at all.
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Response to R B Garr (Reply #96)

Mon May 6, 2019, 12:54 PM

102. Also chumming for trumpsters using NK AND immigration,

 

adopting RW-compatible positions on both. He's 3 for 3 just in the past couple days.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #102)

Mon May 6, 2019, 04:53 PM

140. +1000, I've heard those appeals. too.

 

Very telling. Also the red meat about “establishment”. He should honor that pledge he signed.
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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #10)

Mon May 6, 2019, 11:55 AM

87. He certainly does like to remind everyone of his presence

 

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #10)

Mon May 6, 2019, 05:11 PM

141. Thanks for posting that

 

Was looking for the complete video and wasn't having much luck.
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Response to LongtimeAZDem (Reply #5)

Mon May 6, 2019, 10:48 AM

41. Would have been simple enough to say 'too early to think about this......'

 

If his brain had been properly engaged he'd have simply said that's it's too early to be making predictions about a running mate but that he'd consider all options and base his decision on who would do the best job for working Americans.

I'm really not sure what to make of this, but it doesn't sound good.
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Response to LongtimeAZDem (Reply #5)

Mon May 6, 2019, 05:18 PM

142. Watched the whole video posted below

 

He spoke very well of Elizabeth Warren, could it be he's already promised her the VP spot if he won the nomination?
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 6, 2019, 09:36 AM

6. Tulsi Gabbard will be sanders' VP Is he gets the nomination

 

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #6)

Mon May 6, 2019, 10:08 AM

16. Lord.

 

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #6)

Mon May 6, 2019, 11:28 AM

73. What a combo...Yuck

 

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #73)

Mon May 6, 2019, 12:42 PM

100. agreed

 

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #6)

Mon May 6, 2019, 04:12 PM

128. Good thing he won't get the nomination!

 

But yeah, he and Tulsi kinda go together.
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Response to NastyRiffraff (Reply #128)

Tue May 7, 2019, 11:40 AM

173. Agreed-

 

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Mon May 6, 2019, 09:38 AM

8. Well, it wasn't going to be an issue, anyhow, but he

 

made it more certain not to be an issue with that statement.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 6, 2019, 09:44 AM

11. Pandering to the mostly white Iowa voters?

 

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Response to George II (Reply #11)

Mon May 6, 2019, 09:46 AM

12. Maybe. But he hasn't figured out that everyone else can hear him, too?

 

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #12)

Mon May 6, 2019, 11:10 AM

54. Seriously. Politicians should assume that everything they say in public will make the news

 

This isn’t the first time Bernie has run for President. You think he would have learned by now.
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Response to George II (Reply #11)

Mon May 6, 2019, 03:51 PM

123. Yeah, because white people in Iowa vote for white people.

 

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Response to progressoid (Reply #123)

Mon May 6, 2019, 04:05 PM

125. What's your point?

 

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Response to George II (Reply #125)

Mon May 6, 2019, 04:09 PM

127. What's your point about Iowa's mostly white voters?

 

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Response to progressoid (Reply #127)

Mon May 6, 2019, 04:13 PM

129. He's in Iowa and says it's "silly" to consider a person of color as a running mate. Now yours?

 

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Response to George II (Reply #129)

Mon May 6, 2019, 04:32 PM

135. And how does that inform your statement about white Iowa voters?

 

Is there something about white Iowa voters that you think this would pander to?


Edit, I just watched the clip. He didn't say it was ""silly" to consider a person of color as a running mate." He said it was premature and silly to make that statement now.
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Response to George II (Reply #11)

Mon May 6, 2019, 05:33 PM

144. Except Iowa white caucus voters aren't racists. They are left liberal and progressives

 

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #144)

Mon May 6, 2019, 09:12 PM

165. Well, the Dems are, anyway.

 

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 6, 2019, 09:49 AM

13. He was also going very negative on Biden again.

 

Flailing Bernie? Why does he sign papers not to attack Democratic seekers for the office, then turns around and does exactly that first thing? It just adds to my perception that he is not to be trusted. Hiring Paul Manaforts' partner in Ukraine to run his campaign was the first sin, not taking personal responsibility for his staffs sexual harassment and letting it continue without noticing, and now this.

IF he wins the nomination, which I think is very unlikely, I will vote for him in the general. Hell, I might even work for him because he's not the Russian/Israeli minion drumpf is and I don't believe he's a crook either.
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Response to lark (Reply #13)

Mon May 6, 2019, 10:12 AM

18. Trump would most EASILY defeat BS.

 

America will not elect a socialist. I promise you.
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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #18)

Mon May 6, 2019, 11:10 AM

55. re: "America will not elect a socialist. I promise you."

 

In 2007-8, lots of people--even Dems--were basically saying "America will not elect a black man. I promise you." You never know...
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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #55)

Mon May 6, 2019, 11:17 AM

67. Yes I do.

 

You never know...
Yes I do. The "black man" shared our nations values and had an optimistic and realistic view of the world and of politics. The socialist does not. Trump and the GOP will have an incredibly easy time driving that point home. BS's opponents have been very gentle with him, and I assure you that Trump and the GOP will not give him the same courtesy.

America will not elect a socialist. I promise you. Fewer caucuses, thankfully, will present yet another hurdle for BS... while at the same time protecting the sanctity of the secret ballot and "re-infranchizing" all those who had been denied the ability to participate in the process.
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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #67)

Mon May 6, 2019, 11:30 AM

74. + a million!

 

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #18)

Mon May 6, 2019, 11:11 AM

60. If sanders is the nominee, trump will win 45+ states in the real world

 

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Response to lark (Reply #13)

Mon May 6, 2019, 09:34 PM

166. Time to expose BS' voting record..

 


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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 6, 2019, 10:06 AM

14. He's not going to need a running mate, but

 

why is it "premature and silly" to at least consider a PoC for that position, which in his case is totally theoretical anyhow? Considering it doesn't mean he'd have to do it, especially since he won't have to consider anybody.
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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #14)

Mon May 6, 2019, 10:29 AM

22. Forget premature, why "silly" as though that's out of the question.

 

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Response to George II (Reply #22)

Mon May 6, 2019, 11:10 AM

53. I interpreted it as meaning it's silly to decide prematurely, but maybe that was too generous.

 

If he thinks it's silly to even consider a PoC running mate, then he's done.
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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #53)

Mon May 6, 2019, 12:27 PM

94. You might be right, but I'd be more comfortable with a candidate who can think on their feet...

 

You might be right, but I'd be more comfortable with a candidate who can think on their feet. We need someone who's prepared; a candidate who can anticipate questions; a candidate who doesn't just blurt out the first thing that pops into his (or her) head; a candidate who has internal filters and who can be polite and diplomatic (even when annoyed). Candidates who pop-off, or who lose their cool, or who can't think about what they're about to say BEFORE they say it, do not give me confidence in their ability to be an effective leader. He (or she) needs to be more refined and thoughtful. I want to see someone demonstrate that he (or she) has the temperament to be president.
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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #94)

Mon May 6, 2019, 12:29 PM

95. Absolutely.

 

Giving him the benefit of the doubt, it still was a ham-handed response.
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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #94)

Mon May 6, 2019, 01:15 PM

105. As we have seen, Senator Sanders has trouble in interviews where he cannot vet the qs

 

As his own local papers have amply documented, Senator Sanders has a long history of refusing interviews where he is not allowed to vet the questions beforehand. When he has to let himself be interviewed anyway, like on the national stage, he has trouble answering, like the infamous NYDN interview and more recently at the DC town hall and She the People forum. Other times he's simply lost his temper and walked out (there's plenty of clips of this on youtube, I won't link because it might get my post hidden.)
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 6, 2019, 10:10 AM

17. When People Tell You Who They Are...

 

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Response to dlk (Reply #17)

Mon May 6, 2019, 10:15 AM

19. I do. I have. I did. I will. (Looks like others are doing that too.)

 

I believe that as a party, and as a nation, we can do better than choosing a socialist who would be easily defeated by Trump. We have so many talented and vibrant and energetic candidates... we have candidates with vigor and stamina and realistic ideas... we have candidates who are much better prepared, and who have the vision and demeanor to lead our nation and to represent our nation on the world stage. I'm looking for someone who commands respect from our adversaries.
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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #19)

Mon May 6, 2019, 12:59 PM

103. Agreed

 

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 6, 2019, 10:23 AM

20. Well no not seriously, more of a gadfly really.

 


Anybody who is surprised at this must have missed his very earnest effort to primary President Obama.
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Response to grantcart (Reply #20)

Mon May 6, 2019, 01:15 PM

106. I noticed. It was offensive.

 

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #106)

Mon May 6, 2019, 02:08 PM

111. You are being polite

 

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Response to grantcart (Reply #111)

Mon May 6, 2019, 03:06 PM

118. I'm forcing myself.

 

It's very difficult.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #118)

Mon May 6, 2019, 05:55 PM

148. See I thought you were self medicating

 

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Response to grantcart (Reply #148)

Mon May 6, 2019, 05:57 PM

149. That's an interesting idea. I'll give it some serious thought.

 

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 6, 2019, 10:31 AM

26. Ok, I actually watched the clip. The framing is pretty dishonest.

 

He said it was premature and silly to talk about running mates. He is right of course
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Response to redgreenandblue (Reply #26)

Mon May 6, 2019, 10:36 AM

28. MSM will be doing all they can to get there guy in & its not Bernie. Yes, they are out to get him

 

& all progressives with the help of russia, the GOP & threads that spread it.
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Response to yaesu (Reply #28)

Mon May 6, 2019, 10:44 AM

36. The GRU prompted Senator Sanders in 2016 in order to help Trump win.

 

As to the MSM, they seem hell bent on trying to destroy Biden

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Response to redgreenandblue (Reply #26)

Mon May 6, 2019, 10:51 AM

42. He said he would consider a woman

 

then the interviewer said "person of color?" and then he said it was premature. Right after the question about women, which he answered that he would consider a woman. Maybe it was a second thought that applied to women, too, and he seemed a bit impatient with the question. But then when running for POTUS, every word out of your mouth is parsed - better to repeat that he'd consider it, rather than making it look like a different answer.
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Response to treestar (Reply #42)

Mon May 6, 2019, 11:22 AM

68. There's a very easy response to hypothetical questions like that, but it escaped him.

 

Personally, I think we can do better. If he's having difficulty "thinking on his feet" and coming up with decent responses to questions like that... then I have to wonder if that's a something that everyone should be concerned about. Not every situation can be controlled and scripted. Simply reading from (or reciting lines from) one of his three (?) stump speeches leaves much to be desired. No candidate should be struggling with an EASY question like that.
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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #68)

Mon May 6, 2019, 04:16 PM

132. The response is absurdly obvious and easy:

 

“I think there are many fantastic Democrats from all different backgrounds who would make excellent running mates. When the time comes and I’m fortunate enough to be making that decision, I’ll pick the person who best represents the American people and can help us win in 2020.”

Easy. If you can think on your feet.
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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #132)

Mon May 6, 2019, 04:44 PM

138. I think that's an important and necessary quality for a US president to have.

 

Easy. If you can think on your feet.
I think that's an important and necessary quality for a US president to have. It's a quality that I haven't seen BS demonstrate to my satisfaction. I believe that we need better and that we can do better.



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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #132)

Tue May 7, 2019, 01:36 AM

170. Well said.

 

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Response to redgreenandblue (Reply #26)

Mon May 6, 2019, 11:38 AM

78. Everyone can see the clip and the "framing" is dead on

 

If he thinks it’s “silly” to be discussing running mates, he shouldn't have discussed it at all. If he didn’t think it was “silly” to promise to consider a woman, he should have answered the question that immediately followed about a person of color.

Instead, he eagerly answered th3 question about a female running mate, but when asked about a black or brown one, he attacked the interviewer for asking a “silly” question - when the only difference between the question he answered and the one he didn’t was racial.

BERNIE framed this, not I.
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Response to redgreenandblue (Reply #26)

Mon May 6, 2019, 08:21 PM

164. the framing is correct, I watched it, and he fucked up badly

 

Terrible gaffe. I am usually suspicious of a bash Bernie post, but this one is legit.

I cannot wait till he drops up. He has almost no chance at the nomination and even less of one in terms of beating Trump. Bernie is far too great a risk to support. If he is smashed in most of the primaries leading up to and including Super Tuesday, and truly has no real chance at being nominated, YET plows on and goes even more scorched earth, then it will be clear he is a wrecker. Just because he may have the funds to fight all the way to the last primary does NOT mean he should. For the good of the nation he will need to bow out and then campaign HARD for the true nominee, AND demand to ALL his supporters to support our nominee.
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Response to redgreenandblue (Reply #26)

Tue May 7, 2019, 08:26 PM

183. I did, too. And his comment sounded dismissive,

 

which, unfortunately, fits with a negative impression many already had.
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 6, 2019, 10:37 AM

29. He's got Jill Stein on the speed dial, I bet...

 

n/t
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Response to Blue Owl (Reply #29)

Mon May 6, 2019, 01:18 PM

107. Her most vocal and enthusiastic supporters, at least.

 

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Response to Blue Owl (Reply #29)

Mon May 6, 2019, 02:28 PM

114. There is also Susan Sarandon nt

 

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 6, 2019, 10:41 AM

30. Classic "Open mouth, insert foot"... That one is going to 'hurt'

 

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 6, 2019, 10:42 AM

32. Bookmarking

 

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #32)

Mon May 6, 2019, 11:52 AM

86. Archiving

 

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 6, 2019, 10:42 AM

33. Correct answer to this question by any candidate is

 

"I have an extensive list of who I am considering for my VP and I can assure you it is a very diverse list."
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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #33)

Mon May 6, 2019, 02:29 PM

116. Is your last name Clinton?

 

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Response to NYMinute (Reply #116)

Mon May 6, 2019, 03:54 PM

124. Am I supposed to be insulted by that?

 

Is being like Clinton an insult here now?

Perhaps I misunderstand?
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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #124)

Mon May 6, 2019, 06:59 PM

157. no!!!! NO INSULT TO LIKE HILLARY CLINTON. We need to remember she's GREAT

 

I wish Bernie would have remembered that instead of his infernal bashing on her.
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Response to trueblue2007 (Reply #157)

Tue May 7, 2019, 07:54 PM

176. I am a Hillary and Bill supporter

 

Please see my response to Mr. Bill. Post #175
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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #124)

Tue May 7, 2019, 07:54 PM

175. Sir, I PMed you and explained

 

Your suggestion for candidates was so astute and diplomatic, and because your ID is Mr.Bill, I jokingly said if you are Bill Clinton who is a masterful politician. It was actually a compliment.
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Response to NYMinute (Reply #175)

Tue May 7, 2019, 07:59 PM

178. And I answered your PM.

 

Did you receive my answer?
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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #178)

Tue May 7, 2019, 08:21 PM

181. Yes, I did

 

Thank you for understanding.
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Response to NYMinute (Reply #116)

Tue May 7, 2019, 07:51 PM

174. .

 

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #33)

Mon May 6, 2019, 07:05 PM

159. Good answer. nt

 

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 6, 2019, 10:43 AM

34. Awful!! Except he didn't say that

 

He said it is premature to make that decision right now. Which is true. No shame in the lies?
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Response to Tiggeroshii (Reply #34)

Mon May 6, 2019, 10:45 AM

37. Fox News does it daily. Apparently it works.

 

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Response to jalan48 (Reply #37)

Mon May 6, 2019, 10:45 AM

38. It does

 

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Response to Tiggeroshii (Reply #34)

Mon May 6, 2019, 04:17 PM

133. Then why didn't he say the same about a woman VP?

 

Not that it matters. He won't win the nomination anyway, so he's actually right about not speculating about a running mate. Still, he did say he'd consider a woman, so there seems to be a contradiction.
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 6, 2019, 10:44 AM

35. Compare that with:"I think we would look for somebody who is maybe not of the same gender that I am"

 

That was his answer when asked "What are the attributes you would look for in a vice president?”
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Response to WeekiWater (Reply #35)

Mon May 6, 2019, 11:08 AM

52. "Maybe not of the same gender that I am"?

 

Could he possibly be more evasive?
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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #52)

Mon May 6, 2019, 07:07 PM

160. LOL!

 

That was funny. As in..."guess which gender I'm speaking about!" No criticism of you or the other poster. It's just that that WOULD be a typical vague political answer by a politician.
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Mon May 6, 2019, 10:52 AM

43. I have to agree that that was dumb on Bernie's part. He could have said the same about con-

 

sidering a woman, but didn't.

I love Bernie, but just don't see him as being able to pull this off or actually being the right person right now (right now being 2020).
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 6, 2019, 10:53 AM

44. I get "Premature" but "SILLY"?!

 

Hey Bernie Bros!

Senator Sanders most likely will not get the Black Vote.

He certainly will not get mine during the Primaries.


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Response to djacq (Reply #44)

Mon May 6, 2019, 11:36 AM

77. Silly *because* it's premature. Obvious from his phrasing, if you listen to it. (n/t)

 

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Mon May 6, 2019, 10:58 AM

45. "Silly." That's a condescending way to dismiss a reporter asking a question

 

He's deployed that dis before.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #45)

Mon May 6, 2019, 11:11 AM

59. Yep... I expect more from someone who's seeking the highest office in the land.

 

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 6, 2019, 11:01 AM

48. That's something you probably won't have to worry about, Bernie.

 

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 6, 2019, 11:04 AM

50. Lots of under the surface animosity for Bernie, when HE has the progressive record for 40 years

 

Talk about tribalism, the GOP has nothing on the left in that regard.
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Response to pdsimdars (Reply #50)

Mon May 6, 2019, 11:11 AM

57. That's funny - because it is BS fans who strike me as tribal

 

most other people are not nearly as attached to their favorite candidates.
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Response to bloom (Reply #57)

Mon May 6, 2019, 11:14 AM

61. +1000. The accusations of "hit piece" when he's fact checked are

 

certainly indicative of this kind of response.
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Response to pdsimdars (Reply #50)

Mon May 6, 2019, 11:50 AM

85. All of it richly deserved.

 

And earned by Bernie.
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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #85)

Mon May 6, 2019, 01:38 PM

110. That's what all the tribalist haters say. Let your thoughts and words tell who you are.

 

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Mon May 6, 2019, 02:16 PM

113. Yes, I'm sure you've believe all of that.

 

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Mon May 6, 2019, 03:24 PM

120. All you have to do is have the slighest bit of objectivity and you can see they're mirror images

 

But for those who are unable to have unbiased, rational thought, they revert to clever quips. . .
Whether on the left or the right, non thinking tribalism is tribalism, period.
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150. I'm sorry you feel that way.

 

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Mon May 6, 2019, 06:30 PM

154. Geez and I feel sorry that you think that way.

 

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Mon May 6, 2019, 06:41 PM

155. Thanks for your concern.

 

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Response to pdsimdars (Reply #50)

Mon May 6, 2019, 08:14 PM

163. ...

 

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 6, 2019, 11:10 AM

56. What no 'my revolution' prospects......

 

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 6, 2019, 11:11 AM

58. I'm always pleased when

 

I see a diary with your name. You often report things that sting a bit on first glance.

Upon reflection about your comment, I can most often "let go" of my "white priviledge" and see the world from a prism of color. I know "seriously" it took me two paragraphs when only your one word was needed.
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Mon May 6, 2019, 11:15 AM

63. Totally out of context and not correct

 

if you listened to the interview that is not what he' said

https://contemptor.com/2019/05/05/bernie-sanders-its-premature-and-silly-to-consider-a-person-of-color-as-my-running-mate/

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Response to Fla Dem (Reply #90)

Mon May 6, 2019, 12:39 PM

98. No, he says, "I think it's premature. It would be silly to make that, uh, statement right now."

 

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 6, 2019, 11:15 AM

64. Really??

 

Shame on you for spreading misinformation.
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Response to notinkansas (Reply #64)

Mon May 6, 2019, 11:47 AM

83. really yourself. are you calling effie a liar, or a troll, or what?

 

it's bernie's own damn tweet.
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Response to Fla Dem (Reply #88)

Mon May 6, 2019, 12:41 PM

99. Yes, he did

 

He said, "I think it's premature. It would be silly to make that, uh, statement right now."
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 6, 2019, 11:17 AM

65. Well...an unfortunate statement.

 

My take on it, though, is that he was telling the media head that it's still early days and way too soon to even be considering anybody as a running mate. We haven't even started the actual primaries/caucuses yet.

That's my take on it. I don't think he's saying what is being read into it - that he would consider a woman but not a person of color as his running mate. That just isn't what he said.

And, note, I'm not supporting Bernie this time around, but lots of people on here think the worst of him no matter what he says. This example you're forwarding is a prime example of that. It could get all bent out of shape, and go viral so that people purposely get the wrong idea - oh, Bernie's racist.

Because he's not.

He has his problems, and certainly he is coming across this time as a sort of old grouch/curmudgeon.

But he's not racist, and I'm completely confident that he would consider both a woman and/or a person of color as his running mate.
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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #65)

Mon May 6, 2019, 11:40 AM

79. His response suggests, at best, that he doesn't think well on his feet.

 

All he had to do was say something to the effect of, "It's too early in the process now to make that decision, but if I am the nominee I will choose a running mate from a diverse list that will definitely include women and people of color." Instead, using the word "silly" made it sound either like he thought the reporter was rude or that choosing a PoC as a running mate was silly. I have to assume that he's not actually a racist, but if he keeps making clumsy remarks like that he makes it too easy for people to wonder whether he is.
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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #79)

Mon May 6, 2019, 12:12 PM

89. He dosen't seem capable of thinking on his feet.

 

Probably why he avoids free form press conferences where he can be questioned. He only wants the press to report his talking points without any probing questions.
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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #79)

Mon May 6, 2019, 01:22 PM

108. Agreed. He could have handled the question much better. n/t

 

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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #65)

Mon May 6, 2019, 02:10 PM

112. And yet he seriously wanted to primary the first AA President.

 


I don't think he is a racist just insensitive and lacking in self awareness.
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Response to grantcart (Reply #112)

Mon May 6, 2019, 02:29 PM

115. Yeah, I can agree with that.

 

Racism is very tricky though. I'm a white guy in his 60s who was raised in suburbia. So, by definition, I've enjoyed white male privilege all my life - which you start recognizing once you get over the indignant 'no I don't!' first response to the concept.

I mean, I can sit here all day on this thread and tell everyone who will listen that I'm not racist, but let's think about a couple things:

First, no white man can ever know what it is like to be a person of color or a woman. Second, our society has institutional racism so 'baked in' that it is very difficult for me to claim that I'm not when I have enjoyed those privileges accorded white males.

Here's an example: Those who follow my posts on here, or even if you have casually read a few, know that I'm absolutely furious about the concentration camps the Trump administration has set up on our southern border. I'm incensed that children are ripped from their parents. I'm horrified that ICE and CBP have been so cavalier about tracking them to reunite them to their parents. I know you've read incendiary language from me about how there MUST be trials to hold these people accountable.

But, in the context of comments on these threads, it has come to my attention that we've done the same things to African-Americans held in slavery, and definitely to native Americans. Their concentration camps are called 'reservations,' and the concentration camps for blacks are called 'prison industries.'

I think this is the issue with race and the concept of racism if you are white and male. It is difficult, even if you are relatively 'enlightened,' to not hold in the back of your mind the horrific crimes committed by your own ancestors (a significant number of mine were slaveholders, and certainly some fought in the so-called 'Indian wars.'). My people moved across this land with the rest of the white settlers under the banner of Manifest Destiny.

Do I feel bad about that? Yes.

Am I afraid of retribution when white people are no longer the majority? Not as much as some, but yes.

Do I know what to do about it? No. Oh, sure, I can sit here and pontificate on the need for rampant change in our police forces nationwide, reform of the prisons, better schools and so on, but I fear that isn't enough.

And, I can tell you that I've worked hard all my life. My body is somewhat ruined from hard physical labor, which I have had to do for perhaps a decade and a half all told of the forty-plus years I've worked. I have a middle class lifestyle I'm trying to hold on to. I'm deeply afraid that the Republican tax cuts are going to cause my Social Security to melt away, or that a massive recession with austerity because the GOP has put us in a debt crisis will gobble up any pension I might get. And I'm scared Medicare will be cut to pieces by the time I get there and I will get sick and the capitalists will take everything, leaving my family destitute.

This is a fucking cruel country even if you are a white male.

I had a friend who used to say America is a great place unless you're old, poor, sick or different. Now I am three of those, and only a few checks away from the fourth.

So, I like Bernie on the issues because they speak to my own needs. But I have never had to school my kids or my grandkids in how to survive if stopped by the police.

The bottom line is we have to change our whole approach to humanity, to how we organize ourselves. We have to stop organizing around human greed and start organizing around human need. Or else we're going to end up going extinct as a species. There is only one earth, and we're all passengers on it.
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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #115)

Tue May 7, 2019, 12:49 AM

168. Bravo! Thanks for that. Excellent insights.

 

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 6, 2019, 11:17 AM

66. He isn't going to need a running mate.

 

He won't survive the primaries.
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 6, 2019, 11:22 AM

70. Forget Bernie

 

Biden/Harris is the winning ticket!
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 6, 2019, 11:25 AM

71. He is right. It is silly. He won't get that far

 

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 6, 2019, 11:31 AM

75. Wow!

 

The Senator from Vermont spent the weekend putting his foot in his mouth. His comments about not faulting Trump on the NK issue was a doozy. Now this.

But please, Senator, continue digging that hole.
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 6, 2019, 11:32 AM

76. it probably just means one shouldn't assume he would be nominee

 

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Response to JI7 (Reply #76)

Mon May 6, 2019, 12:52 PM

101. That's exactly what it was.

 

He answered one question and, when the question was expanded, he shut the guy down because it’s silly speculation at this point.

More manufactured outrage from anonymous twitter.
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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #101)

Mon May 6, 2019, 06:11 PM

151. If Bernie has said, I am going to consider a person of color as my running mate,

 

I am going to consider a woman as my running mate, I am going to consider a white old man as my running mate, I am going to consider an alien as my running mate, I am going to consider a dog as my running mate. The reaction would have been the very same. If he hadn't said It's 'Premature' and 'Silly' and instead said it's Late and wise, it's raining and sunny, it's black and blue the reaction would have been the same. Anything Bernie says does, or thinks gets the same reaction.

Some of the comments to that tweet are brutal and calling out the tweet as bullshit.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 6, 2019, 11:40 AM

80. Wow...He really put his foot in his mouth with this one

 

I decided to see/hear the interview to make sure his statement was not being taken out of context, but he did not flinch when asked about a woman as a running mate, then he did when asked about a person of color...the right answer Bernie should have been "of course, we have plenty of dedicated and very good people running for office, as well as in the party, I have many choices, race and gender should not be a consideration."...but you didn't Bernie, this one, I think, is going to byte you hard, your reaction to the question, even before you opened your mouth was very telling, your body language was one as if someone had poured a bucket of cold water on your back.
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Response to Perseus (Reply #80)

Mon May 6, 2019, 11:42 AM

81. Exactly!

 

But as usual, we’re being treated to a lot of “you’re taking him out of context” and “that’s not what he meant” gaslighting, when the videotape is clear as it can be ... same ol’ same ol’
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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #81)

Mon May 6, 2019, 12:26 PM

93. People must watch the video

 

He actually jumped when he was asked about a person of color as running mate, body language tells a lot about a person because it happens automatically, even before they open their mouths.

There is nothing "out of context here", you give your thumbs up for a woman running mate, but your body language gives out your feelings even before you open your mouth, then you say it is premature and silly? How come it wasn't premature and silly for the woman?

Yeap, you are right...no doubt this time.
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Response to Perseus (Reply #93)

Mon May 6, 2019, 03:12 PM

119. Yes, but were it and that pause deliberate?

 

I believe his rigid thinking doesn't allow him to be smart compared to others in his position, but I don't think he's inexperienced or brain dead either.

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #81)

Mon May 6, 2019, 05:39 PM

146. It never changes, Effie

 

One would think people learned from 2016. They didn't, apparently.
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 6, 2019, 11:45 AM

82. He is bound and determined to make CERTAIN no Democrat sits in the WH...

 

THAT is his agenda.

So SICK OF HIS SHIT like his ATTACKING Joe Biden

When will people get it?
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 6, 2019, 12:21 PM

91. I like , to an extent, Mr. Sanders...

 

…. But as I've mentioned before I do not think his running is necessarily a good thing. Way , way too many negatives and we NEED all the "positives" we can muster this upcoming election. Tbh, I worry greatly that he will hurt not only our chances of winning the presidency but also all the down ticket candidates which we need just as much. Why can he not just be like …… I don't know ….. an elder statesman? A guru to talk to about things and advise? His ego, and I truly believe that's what causing him to run, will hurt us come 2020.
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 6, 2019, 12:26 PM

92. Ugh!

 

listen to the link to get the context -- which only made it worse. I had hoped he was simply making the point that until someone got the nomination, they should not be publicly speculating on who their VP choice would be.

Instead, the first question was whether he would consider a woman -- to which he simply responded, "yes". The next question was a POC and his answer was as the OP stated. Once he went down the path of not ruling out a woman (or another man), he could not go to the high road of saying it was presumptuous to speak of that because he was not the nominee. However, he could have similarly responded "yes" and then - if he chose to say both of these questions were premature.
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 6, 2019, 12:33 PM

97. Wow. He could have punted and said "sure" even if he doesn't know any person of color personally. nt

 

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 6, 2019, 01:34 PM

109. So, Jesse Jackson was qualified to be President, but Harris and Booker...

 

aren't qualified to be vice president??? Got it.
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 6, 2019, 02:57 PM

117. 'Silly' to be keeping talking about 2016

 

Bernie Sanders: 'Silly' for Hillary Clinton to continue talking about 2016
by Anna Giaritelli | September 08, 2017 08:38 AM

Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., late Thursday urged fellow 2016 Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton to move on from an election she lost 10 months ago.

"Our job now is really not to go backwards, it is to go forwards," Sanders said on the "Late Show with Stephen Colbert." "I think it's a little bit silly to be keeping talking about 2016. We've got too many problems."

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/bernie-sanders-silly-for-hillary-clinton-to-continue-talking-about-2016


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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 6, 2019, 03:31 PM

121. I can't decide which pisses me off more: The fact that he's incapable of talking about race or

 

gender without flinching, or the fact that he doesn't feel like he has to even try.
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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #121)

Mon May 6, 2019, 03:49 PM

122. Even if a candidate doesn't "get it", at this point she/he

 

should be smart enough to say something like “I have a lot of work to do first, to win the nomination over so many outstanding people” every time anyone asks him or her about ANY potential VP.
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Response to spooky3 (Reply #122)

Mon May 6, 2019, 04:46 PM

139. Right -- that's what's so insulting. He doesn't even bother working on a throwaway line. Why should

 

he? He's Bernie Sanders!
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 6, 2019, 04:14 PM

130. Would you rather he said: ''I am looking for 'a person of color' for my running mate" not white?

 

It's a year and a half folks, it's way too early to start this fighting.
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Response to YOHABLO (Reply #130)

Mon May 6, 2019, 04:15 PM

131. A simple "I won't rule out anyone" would have been fine.

 

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Response to George II (Reply #131)

Mon May 6, 2019, 04:32 PM

136. It's too early to even be talking about this. I'm pretty sure that is what Sanders meant.

 

Everything is contextual. People need to quit being so sensitive and jumping on every word or phrase a candidate makes.
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Response to YOHABLO (Reply #136)

Mon May 6, 2019, 05:34 PM

145. "What Bernie really meant to say was ..."

 

The questions aren’t going to get any easier. Hopefully the answers will start getting better.

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Response to YOHABLO (Reply #136)

Mon May 6, 2019, 05:48 PM

147. How come Sanders gets this benefit of the doubt?

 

I think what Sanders meant...

No other candidate gets this bye.
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Response to YOHABLO (Reply #136)

Tue May 7, 2019, 12:49 AM

169. Never would be too early.

 

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Response to YOHABLO (Reply #130)

Mon May 6, 2019, 04:39 PM

137. Asked about having a woman on the ticket, he said he'd seriously consider it. Asked immediately

 

after that if he's consider a woman of color, he said it's premature and silly to talk about it.

At the very least, that was idiotic.
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 6, 2019, 04:18 PM

134. i like Corys response better....

 

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 6, 2019, 05:32 PM

143. He said what?

 

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 6, 2019, 06:11 PM

152. Wow

 

No comment, except wow...
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 6, 2019, 06:20 PM

153. i enjoy having sanders in the public discourse. he's moving America (even if it's at a glacial pace)

 

leftward. but as they say in baseball, he's got some holes in his swing
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 6, 2019, 07:02 PM

158. Ouch

 

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I haven't read all the responses to this thread, but I think he would've been better off saying I won't rule ANYONE out.
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue May 7, 2019, 08:06 PM

179. He was asked if he would 'pledge' not if he would consider.

 

None of the candidates have pledged to choose a POC VP.
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Response to Eric J in MN (Reply #179)

Tue May 7, 2019, 08:21 PM

182. This is what he said:

 

Karl: "Cory Booker says he will name a woman as his running mate. Will you make the same pledge?"

Sanders: "I would give very serious consideration to that."

Karl: "Person of color?"

Sanders: "I think it's premature. It would be silly to make that, uh, statement right now."


Bad optics, as they say.
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