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Mon Dec 21, 2015, 04:37 PM

Sanders Precinct Capt. in Iowa: Hillary Clinton does not lead the Democratic Primary!

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In the polls that EVERY single person who supports Hil cites as proof of her lead is the reality. I will not drag on about the polls. Check the demographics and the methodology in every individual poll. The ONLY demographic Hil leads in is those who meet the following 3 criteria. 1. Over age 50. 2. Voted in both the 2014 and 2012 Primaries. 3. Voted Democrat when they did. Outside of this specialized demographic the support is hugely in favor of Bernie Sanders. But these polls are created by establishment pollsters and they are purposefully targeting the core of her limited support. Then claim she has a lead. It is beyond stupid, it is insulting. The die hard sworn to the party Democrat is an endangered species and a very small minority of Dem leaning voters. This is the equivalent of focusing on the ten fans in the restroom and ignoring the 65,000 fans in the stands.
Every poll outside establishment direction and control is a Bernie Sanders blowout. Where was the Hil support in the DFA membership vote? How about in the CWA union vote? Every online poll and every poll published for membership voting has been tremendously in favor of Bernie Sanders. EVERY union endorsement Hil has received has come from the Union Leadership and not through a membership vote. EVERY SINGLE ONE! That is establishment support, not membership support. Every debate poll, every focus group, everything outside the establishments cronyism and Narrative Creation leans exceedingly heavy toward Bernie Sanders.
What happened to ABC’s millennial focus group last night? ABC introduced their focus group before the debate. Nobody has heard from them since.


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Reply Sanders Precinct Capt. in Iowa: Hillary Clinton does not lead the Democratic Primary! (Original post)
LiberalArkie Dec 2015 OP
SmittynMo Dec 2015 #1
LiberalArkie Dec 2015 #2
tecelote Dec 2015 #16
BeanMusical Dec 2015 #21
RKP5637 Dec 2015 #79
Enthusiast Dec 2015 #31
Scootaloo Dec 2015 #13
zeemike Dec 2015 #20
RKP5637 Dec 2015 #77
Vincardog Dec 2015 #14
Ferd Berfel Dec 2015 #18
HeartoftheMidwest Dec 2015 #50
questionseverything Dec 2015 #53
RKP5637 Dec 2015 #80
LiberalArkie Dec 2015 #55
ladjf Dec 2015 #32
pangaia Dec 2015 #40
RKP5637 Dec 2015 #81
Karma13612 Dec 2015 #46
billhicks76 Dec 2015 #91
HoneychildMooseMoss Dec 2015 #3
Enthusiast Dec 2015 #30
840high Dec 2015 #33
JDPriestly Dec 2015 #48
HoneychildMooseMoss Dec 2015 #67
CoffeeCat Dec 2015 #70
Bjornsdotter Dec 2015 #62
Paka Dec 2015 #92
RKP5637 Dec 2015 #78
Jarqui Dec 2015 #4
JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #37
CoffeeCat Dec 2015 #5
JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #38
jwirr Dec 2015 #60
SamKnause Dec 2015 #6
n8dogg83 Dec 2015 #7
peacebird Dec 2015 #34
JDPriestly Dec 2015 #65
Scuba Dec 2015 #72
leftcoastmountains Dec 2015 #8
stillwaiting Dec 2015 #9
pangaia Dec 2015 #41
jwirr Dec 2015 #61
n8dogg83 Dec 2015 #82
SmittynMo Dec 2015 #10
sonofspy777 Dec 2015 #12
mnhtnbb Dec 2015 #11
Maedhros Dec 2015 #15
Ned_Devine Dec 2015 #26
Maedhros Dec 2015 #59
BeanMusical Dec 2015 #24
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LiberalElite Dec 2015 #54
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840high Dec 2015 #36
JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #39
pangaia Dec 2015 #44
QC Dec 2015 #47
840high Dec 2015 #52
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Response to LiberalArkie (Original post)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 04:45 PM

1. Makes me wonder

how deep MSM is really involved in the obvious corruption in politics. Are they reporting the correct scientific numbers? Hmmmmmm

Sure makes ya wonder.



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Response to SmittynMo (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 04:50 PM

2. The simply do not want anyone but HRC in the office, or some dim bulb Republican.

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Response to LiberalArkie (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 06:18 PM

16. Clinton Foundation donors include dozens of media organizations, individuals

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Response to tecelote (Reply #16)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 06:38 PM

21. Very interesting.

Thank you for the link.

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Response to tecelote (Reply #16)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 07:32 AM

79. Thanks for the link!!! n/t

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Response to LiberalArkie (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 06:51 PM

31. Huge +1!

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Response to SmittynMo (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 05:55 PM

13. I would wager surprisingly little

 

At least in terms of direct "involvement."

The media today takes the absolute path of least resistance. it's just easier to fill air with press releases and keep recycling "leading stories" to the omission of everything else.

It's not that the media is colluding, it's that the media is lazy.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #13)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 06:36 PM

20. I don't think it is laziness I think it is compliance

They know who butters their bread for them and they know if they want to keep their cushy high paying job they have to please them. There are lots of pretty faces out there that can and will do what they are expected to do.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #13)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 07:26 AM

77. It also keeps their costs down, so IMO they also go with it to help fatten the bottom line.

And millions upon millions of people just accept it today.

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Response to SmittynMo (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 05:59 PM

14. They are owned and controlled by the same entitites that own the GOP. The are go lose unless

They can cheat enough to hide a 88% Bernie edge.

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Response to SmittynMo (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 06:21 PM

18. If you're going to rig an election result, it helps if you can get people to think

AHEAD OF TIME that the result is the one 'everyone' predicted in the first place

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Reply #18)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 07:22 PM

50. This...................

........times infinity.

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Reply #18)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 07:24 PM

53. yep it is called manufactured consent n/t

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Response to questionseverything (Reply #53)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 07:34 AM

80. Excellent description!!! "manufactured consent" Definitely it is!!! n/t

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Reply #18)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 07:30 PM

55. You know how hard it is for the news media when something happens out of the ordinary.

Like someone young and important dies and they have to scramble to get an obit together. Bernie winning would be like Truman winning or Carter.

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Response to SmittynMo (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 06:51 PM

32. The media is ALL IN to the manipulation of our elections. That used to be against the law. nt

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Response to SmittynMo (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 07:02 PM

40. Damn I sure hope all that is correct.

They are all disaster capitalists, Hillary included.
Bernie Sanders is the ONLY genuine 'person' running.

In my view, Hillary is for Hillary. Bernie is for other human beings. Hillary WANTS to be president. Bernie is doing it out of service for other human beings.

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Response to pangaia (Reply #40)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 07:36 AM

81. K&R!!! n/t

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Response to SmittynMo (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 07:18 PM

46. of course they aren't. Or should I say: they are

reporting incorrect and accurate information with great irregularity so no one knows when they are telling the truth and when they are being dishonest.

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Response to SmittynMo (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 03:45 PM

91. CNN Beauty Contest

 

They stretched that into a 3 day story while limiting the data breach lawsuit to none day once it became apparent that the story would favor Sanders in the long run. How can anyone support this type of corruption.

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Response to LiberalArkie (Original post)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 04:51 PM

3. Well, I am over 50

and I do not want Hillary, no way, no how.

She pretends to be a progressive, while Bernie is the real deal.
I know Bernie will fight for my mother who is barely making it on Social Security, and for my sister, who is working at the post office and whose union is overwhelmingly in support of Sanders.

Hillary will fight for the moneyed interests that are supporting her.


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Response to HoneychildMooseMoss (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 06:50 PM

30. Huge +1!

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Response to HoneychildMooseMoss (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 06:52 PM

33. I'm over 50 - agree

 

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Response to HoneychildMooseMoss (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 07:21 PM

48. Same here. Over 50 and ANTI-HILLARY.

I'm pro all other Democrats I have the chance to vote for, but I will not vote for Hillary.

Interesting to me. If Hillary's internal polls show she is losing in Iowa, it would explain why the DNC and Wasserman-Schultz would desperately try to embarrass Sanders.

It won't work. We all stand by Bernie.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #48)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 09:54 PM

67. My sister's like that

She's become a die-hard Bernie fan and she said that she'd rather vote for a cartoon character than vote for Hillary.
My mother used to be a Hillary fan, but she has grown disillusioned with Hillary.

We hope Bernie can pull it out in Iowa.

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Response to HoneychildMooseMoss (Reply #67)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 10:34 PM

70. He will pull it off in Iowa...

...count on it.

His supporters are highly motivated and they will show up at the caucus. I think the younger crowd and first-time caucus goers will vote in higher numbers than they did for Obama.

Sanders is within 5 of Hillary in the latest CBS/YouGov poll. That's absolutely mind blowing.

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Response to HoneychildMooseMoss (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 08:26 PM

62. Over 50 and female

Bernie all the way.

My parents are in their late 70's and they are Bernie supporters. I met a couple in the Costco parking in their '80's driving a hybrid car with a Bernie sticker and I asked them if it was their sticker and they said yes.

After a long conversation we agreed that Bernie appeals to many in the over 50 age group.

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Response to Bjornsdotter (Reply #62)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 07:50 PM

92. I'm over 70, a woman, and a Bernie supporter.

I just heard from a friend of mine this morning who likes Bernie, but had bought into the lie that he can't win...she's now a believer that he can and must win. She's an over 50 woman, by the way.

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Response to HoneychildMooseMoss (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 07:28 AM

78. I like Bernie very much. He reminds me of the old democratic party and what it was

like when I first voted eons ago. Exactly as you say, "Bernie is the real deal."

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Response to LiberalArkie (Original post)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 04:58 PM

4. I've been saying this for months, seeing it in poll after poll:

"Check the demographics and the methodology in every individual poll"


I hadn't seen the above until just now but commented on this very thing in the PPP and Emerson polls today.

I've seen it a lot in the age demographics - they tend to tilt heavily to 65+/older people where Hillary does better and take away from the young folks where Bernie does better. It has a significant impact. In the PPP poll (who have been contracted before by Hillary's PAC), it makes Hillary look better against the GOP than Bernie. When you adjust for demographics using projection, my guess is that it would flip the results - I did the favorability and Bernie improved 8pts while Hillary would fall about that.

This has been going on a lot. I'm no expert like the Iowa manager but it's bugged me for many weeks. I've been a little shocked as the pollsters know better. But at this point, we're too far out from any election for anyone to prove they've got their thumb on the scale.

Having said that, I don't have tons of confidence in the polling one way or the other.

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Response to Jarqui (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 06:56 PM

37. +1

And some of the Hillary supporters try to justify the age demographics! That other thread we were in, a well known poster completely distorted math to arrive at the result she wanted. And showed also she had no idea what a MoE was. These are very interesting times we live in...

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Response to LiberalArkie (Original post)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 05:05 PM

5. I've been saying exactly this...

...and I am in Iowa too.

I really need to get to know this Iowa precinct captain! I have a feeling that we'd have a lot to chat about!

If any of you want an accurate poll--Ann Selzer's Iowa Poll. She is the gold standard. She'll be releasing another poll toward the end of January. CBS used the same scientifically accurate polling methods as Selzer does, and their poll showed Clinton up by 5.

I have died laughing at the details about the polling methods in Monmoth, PPP and others. They are a JOKE. Monmouth had Hillary up by 30 points in Iowa. They didn't poll anyone who was younger than 25 (because they polled only those who had caucused in 2008 or 2012). 69 percent of the people they polled were over the age of 45. I mean...seriously!

It's a joke.

If you want to know whether or not a poll is a joke--compare it to Selzer's results, or the new CBS poll.

They think we're stupid, people!

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 06:58 PM

38. The sad thing is...

a lot of Americans are stupid. They see the polls and hear that someone has no chance...and that's it for them; even if they liked Bernie's message they give up. That is why it is important to do outreach and actually know what the situation is on the ground, through real polling like Selzer.

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Response to JonLeibowitz (Reply #38)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 07:46 PM

60. That is why it is important to win IA and NH. It will make

people doubt the polls. And it will make people start looking even closer at Bernie.

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Response to LiberalArkie (Original post)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 05:07 PM

6. 62 year old female.

I have a land line/no cell phone.

I have never been polled by the Democratic party.

I support Bernie 100%.

I vote once in all the internet polls that support Bernie and his positions.

I have watched all the debates and forums of both parties.

Who will vote for Bernie ???

"Nobody But The People" !!!!

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Response to LiberalArkie (Original post)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 05:20 PM

7. Great article. And very informative. I also contend that these polls showing Hillary ahead by

huge margins are nonsense. As CoffeeCat pointed out in another post, if Hillary were the runaway favorite to win Iowa, why is she only getting a fraction of the crowd sizes at her rallies as Bernie is?


Clinton
200 attendees--"Fighting for Us" Town Hall in Ft. Dodge, Iowa (12/4) Source: ABC News
350 attendees--"Fighting For Us" Town Hall in Waterloo, Iowa (12/9) Source: Waterloo Courier
250 attendees_"Fighting For Us" Town Hall in Urbandale Iowa (12/9) Source: Radio Iowa

Sanders
2000 attendees--Sanders Town Meeting in Dubuque, Iowa (12/12) Overflow crowd Source: Radio Iowa
1500 attendees--Sanders Town Meeting in Waterloo, Iowa (12/12) Standing-room only. Source: Waterloo Courier
1125 attendees--Sanders Town Hall in Mt. Vernon, Iowa (12/13)


That's a GLARING difference that shows you the level of enthusiasm for Bernie vs that for Hillary. Im willing to make a prediction right now. You can write it down to rub it in my face if im wrong. My prediction is that Bernie will win handily in Iowa, and the closer the gap between he and Hillary in the polls, the larger the landslide he will have in the caucuses.

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Response to n8dogg83 (Reply #7)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 06:52 PM

34. Bingo!

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Response to n8dogg83 (Reply #7)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 09:23 PM

65. Interesting.

Isn't Urbandale right outside Des Moines? Hillary should draw a bigger crowd than that in the Des Moines area.

Where is Mt. Vernon?

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Response to n8dogg83 (Reply #7)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 06:34 AM

72. Make it so ....

 

You don't have to live in Iowa to help phone bank for Bernie in Iowa by contacting this guy ...

Leo Atkinson; Council Bluffs field organizer, 484-767-1559 leoatkinson@berniesanders.com

All you need is a phone, fingers to press the buttons and a bit of time. Leo will provide the rest.

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Response to LiberalArkie (Original post)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 05:41 PM

9. It creates a narrative though. And we use computerized voting machines still.

Even so, we still have to fight as hard as we can for Bernie.

I have little to no faith in our election system though.

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Response to stillwaiting (Reply #9)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 07:07 PM

41. "...computerized voting machines .."

THAT really worries me.

We are fighting the oligarchy. They will stop at nothing... nothing.
I believe they are scared shitless that they actually could lose and will do anything to see that doesn't happen.


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Response to stillwaiting (Reply #9)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 07:49 PM

61. It is harder to steal the primary than it is the general. In

the primary you have to steal individual states.

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Response to stillwaiting (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 09:36 AM

82. I take some comfort in the fact that IA is a caucus state. It would seem very difficult to rig a

caucus, where people actually interact with each other and convince their fellow caucus goers to support their candidate. No computers to hack. But I do share your concern about voting machines. We just have to turn out in such great numbers that there will be no doubt even if they try to rig the election.

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Response to LiberalArkie (Original post)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 05:43 PM

10. I'm pretty excited

about NH and IA. It's almost SHOWTIME!!!!

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Response to SmittynMo (Reply #10)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 05:49 PM

12. Me too!

 

maybe some of the TRULY OBNOXIOUS ones for
HRC will g away after we blow them away in the only
polls that count...The PRIMARIES !

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Response to LiberalArkie (Original post)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 05:48 PM

11. Jury results

Well if this doesn't prove there is alert stalking going on, what would? At least one of my fellow jurors got it--uh, hello, where was this posted?



On Mon Dec 21, 2015, 10:35 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Sanders Precinct Capt. in Iowa: Hillary Clinton does not lead the Democratic Primary!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/128088171

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Why is it appropriate to link to articles from this site? This site has people who work to get hides for DU members. They have said many nasty things about DU members who post at hillarysupporters.com Those people don't link here, why should this group be allowed to link?

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Dec 21, 2015, 10:43 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I agree, it's not a valid source. Hide this post.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: hillarysupporters.com doesn't link here? Seriously?

There are not prohibited sites to link from any more.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I know there's bad feeling between various groups and sites, but I don't think it's at the point where links must be hidden. Do 'hillarysupporters.com' really not link here?
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This OP is posted in Bernie's group. I don't get it. Possibly, it would be offensive in GD-P but, I can not in good conscious hide this as it stands. Leave It Alone.
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Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

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Response to mnhtnbb (Reply #11)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 06:03 PM

15. The stunning hypocrisy and laughable reasoning behind this alert amuses. [n/t]

 

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Response to Maedhros (Reply #15)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 06:45 PM

26. An alert in a Bernie forum, no less

 

Folkin' uh-may-zin' as my Irish friends would say

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Response to Ned_Devine (Reply #26)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 07:45 PM

59. It should be obvious to even the most casual observer that the Hillary Clinton camp

 

on this board consists, more of less, of petulant identity-politicians whose arguments consist of the political equivalent of middle-school playground taunts.

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Response to mnhtnbb (Reply #11)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 06:44 PM

24. What a moronic and whinny alert.

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Response to mnhtnbb (Reply #11)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 06:48 PM

29. I do believe that is the single most ridiculous alert I have ever seen.

This is the Bernie Sanders group! I cannot believe it got two HIDE IT votes.

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Response to Enthusiast (Reply #29)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 07:25 PM

54. "not a valid source"

Where did THAT one come from?

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Response to LiberalElite (Reply #54)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 07:10 AM

74. The HIDE IT votes were equally ridiculous.

"not a valid source"

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Response to mnhtnbb (Reply #11)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 06:54 PM

36. Juror 2 has no clue.

 

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Response to 840high (Reply #36)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 07:00 PM

39. Especially since the source originally is from facebook!!! **facepalm** n/t

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Response to mnhtnbb (Reply #11)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 07:12 PM

44. The OP was... alerted on??

WTF?



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Response to mnhtnbb (Reply #11)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 07:21 PM

47. Oh, there's no doubt alert stalking is real. Check this out:

Yes, this is the guy who has been getting all Norma Desmond about people saying mean things on websites!

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Response to QC (Reply #47)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 07:24 PM

52. ...+1

 

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Response to QC (Reply #47)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 10:23 PM

69. Sheesh, what a dump that place is. Nasty, little trolls. nt

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Response to nc4bo (Reply #69)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 10:58 PM

71. There's much worse stuff over there--anti-Semitic conspiracy theories,

discussions of whether specific DUers really qualify as persons of color or not, transphobia, you name it.

That crowd is uglier than the devil's taint.

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Response to LiberalArkie (Original post)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 06:19 PM

17. I think this site should be renamed The Sanders DU

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Response to katmondoo (Reply #17)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 06:32 PM

19. Fine by me :)

 

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Response to Ned_Devine (Reply #19)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 06:46 PM

27. Me too.

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Response to katmondoo (Reply #17)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 06:38 PM

22. Actually..

you are posting in the Bernie Sanders group, what would you expect?

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Response to katmondoo (Reply #17)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 06:42 PM

23. We're clearly the majority

Hillary's entire campaign is based one big manipulation to convince the public that she's inevitable. Rigged polls. Rigged media coverage. A rigged campaign with the DNC pulling the strings along the way.

And her supporters wonder why there are more of us?

There were never that many of them, ever.

I have always found the Hillary illusions very curious. So, in the end--you don't have the polls, and you don't have the support or the volunteers or the enthusiasm. Isn't that going to be a gross embarrassment when you don't have supporters caucusing for you or people voting for you?

Take for instance these laughable polls that have Hillary ahead in Iowa by 30 points. I mean..seriously. What happens when her entire campaign (polls, hot-air media illusions, DNC favoritism) is revealed for the farce that it is?

And you can't steal a caucus! One of the reasons I love our system.



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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #23)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 07:40 PM

57. I am going to be making an OP as a response to this -

The overall Media Collusion with the top leadership of a dominant party ends democracy.

But although democracy may be ended, the MIC and Surveillance State doesn't care about democracy - they care that they have their puppet in office.


This is a two pronged approach.

Examine how it is that George W got his re-election to become the law of the land in Nov 2004:

Andrew Card, Chief of Staff to President George W Bush, may well live to regret his announcements at 5 AM on Nov. 3rd. But at the time he was exultant at what the voting machines had wrought. His voice rang out resonant and a tad bit festive, happily victorious, "I'm Andy Card. I am President Bush's chief of staff. We are convinced that President Bush has won re-election with at least 286 electoral college votes. And he also had a margin of more than three and a half million votes. President Bush's decisive margin of victory makes this the first Presidential election since 1988 in which the winner received a majority of the popular vote. And that in this election, President Bush received more votes than any other presidential candidate in the history of our country. In Ohio, the President has a lead of at least 136,000 votes. The Secretary of State's office has informed us that this margin is statistically insurmountable. So President Bush has won the state of Ohio."

What did Andrew Card know that John Kerry did not? Card knew who Kerry's real opponent was. Kerry thought his opponent in this election was George W. Bush. His real opponent was the rigged voting machines. If we the people of the United States possessed an election system with the integrity of Canada's paper ballot and pencil system, Kerry would be President. He was defeated by a modern technology so tamper friendly that major alterations to any district's vote tally could be made within 90 seconds and without leaving a trace.


It is not only that there was rampant vote tampering during the 2004 election process. Rather what needs to be carefully held to the light is how Bush's Chief of Staff, Andy Card, did something no other chief of staff had ever done - he announced to the major media the result of the nation's election before the votes were counted.

Did the Major Media outlets all say in response to his announcement: "Wait a minute. There are over 200,000 uncounted votes in Ohio alone. And those votes are mostly in Democratic strongholds, and they number enough to throw the election to John Kerry." ??

No of course not! Not a single Talking Head spoke out like that. If the George W White House itself wanted to announce that they had won, well, why bother debating it!. Kerry was slated to lose, and it was important to make sure he lost before anyone realized maybe the election stunk to high heaven.

And then the Republicans utilized the same tactics in 2012. In that year, Ron Paul, an extremely popular GOP contender for the WH, when he started to make heavy inroads against Mitt Romney in the primaries that year, once again the victories were handed out via announcement. "We leaders of the Party announce the winner!"

Once again the Primary tallies in Iowa and New Hampshire and then all across the country were simply announced! Mitt won handily in all those many primaries, and the fact remains -

the winner of a Presidential contest and the winner of the Primary contests is always going to be the person who is announced as being the winner!


If you want Bernie to win, you and I and everyone who cares has to figure out a way around this!


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Response to katmondoo (Reply #17)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 07:09 PM

43. You really should examine why you are supporting Hillary

 

Sanders is obviously the more strategic choice.

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Response to LiberalArkie (Original post)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 06:45 PM

25. Kicked and recommended! Let's win in Iowa!

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Response to LiberalArkie (Original post)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 06:47 PM

28. K & R

 

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Response to LiberalArkie (Original post)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 06:53 PM

35. K&R

 

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Response to LiberalArkie (Original post)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 07:09 PM

42. I'm not sure how "specialized" that is though

When you are polling for primary voters it kinda makes sense to filter for....primary voters. The outcome will likely depend on if turnout among erstwhile non-primary voters can be generated.

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Response to whatthehey (Reply #42)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 06:37 AM

73. Because it's the NEXT primary that matters, not the last one.

 

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Response to LiberalArkie (Original post)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 07:17 PM

45. I think a few Hillary supporters are going to be very surprised by the end of April.

Some may see the reality a bit earlier though.

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Response to Cassiopeia (Reply #45)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 07:44 PM

58. Hey everyone in Indiana we need to get

 

Signatures for Bernie to be on the ballot. Indiana could very well be a factor in the primary as we were in 2008 for Obama

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Response to Cassiopeia (Reply #45)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 01:16 PM

86. "a few"

 

because in reality there really is only "a few".

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Response to LiberalArkie (Original post)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 07:22 PM

49. this is so funny!

I am over 50, female, college educated, one of the low-end 99%% er and am totally for Bernie.

I meet all of the criteria to be voting for her according to the 3 criteria you highlight, but I am not.

Hahaha!!

this is so funny!!

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Response to LiberalArkie (Original post)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 07:22 PM

51. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, LiberalArkie.

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Response to LiberalArkie (Original post)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 07:31 PM

56. This is great to hear but then again isnt

 

this something a precinct caption should keep within the campaign?
But as many have said here,the Clinton campsign had this info within their own internal polling and therefore
the reason DWS and the Clinton
Campsign tried to sabatage the Sanders campaign.
Obviously the Obama campaign kept their polling data a little more secretive in 2008.

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Response to INdemo (Reply #56)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 08:30 PM

63. I think Obama tried to in 2008, but the Sanders lawsuit talks about some candidates data

being leaked to Clinton by an "error" by NGP-VAN.

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Response to LiberalArkie (Reply #63)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 11:26 AM

84. By "leaked", do they mean the data was emailed to the Clinton campaign?

Did Clinton staffers perform queries on another campaign's proprietary voter data?

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Response to Nitram (Reply #84)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 11:43 AM

85. Who knows really. This whole thing came about when HRC data would randomly appear in

searches using Bernies data and queries. NGP-VAN and the DNC said it could not happen back in October, but it would happen at random times. Bernies data director then went to try and prove to NGP-VAN and the DNC that it did happen by deliberately doing a search on HRC data and saved that data on the DNC servers with filenames indicating that it was Bernies group that did it. And that was where everything blew up.

The law suit goes back to a 2008 event where a candidates data was (perhaps data-leaked) leaked to the Clinton. I do not believe the stated whose data it was though. I personally believe it was Obamas data.

A data leak during a database query is when you are searching the database using certain parameters and you receive back proper results along with results that do not match your criteria.

When a person goes online to look at their banking data and you query the banks database. Your search parameters are your account number and a date range. Now a data leak (how they are referring to it) occurs when you might get a record or more from someone else account or maybe a few records from a different year or month. Now trying to prove that you keep getting incorrect information to your bank is a problem when overtime they check it, it looks fine. If you pull up your bank data and it has someone elses data and you show it to someone, that is against the law because you accessed someone elses account. But you did not do it, the software allowed it to happen.

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Response to LiberalArkie (Original post)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 08:49 PM

64. I am 65, female

have a landline and cell phone. I have never been called by a pollster for any campaign. I also stopped being a die-hard Democrat many years ago - when, I didn't leave the Party, the Party left me- during the first Clilnton's presidency.

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Response to LiberalArkie (Original post)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 09:51 PM

66. On Sunday mornings

I stand with the Veterans for Peace with our dove flags and signs. We stand on Hwy 101 (where we put up the Bernie Shave signs).

Out of the 12 of us, 6 are women ages 61 to 86. Most of us had to re-register as Democrats so that we can vote for BERNIE!

And all 12 of us are voting for BERNIE!

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Response to LiberalArkie (Original post)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 10:00 PM

68. K to the R. nt

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Response to LiberalArkie (Original post)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 07:18 AM

75. Older POC hard to convince

I find that my greatest resistance from POC seems to come from the 55+ group (ie. my 77 y/o Mother and Father) They don't know Bernie but clearly remember the Clinton administration. I also think their apathy towards Bernie is due to much of what Bernie is supporting. They perceive Bernie's platform as no longer relevant to their lives, especially now that they have retired. Plus, my parents are as stubborn as hell. I suspect, much like Obama at this time during his 2008 campaign, if momentum is for Bernie, they will be more open to his ideas. They will vote DEMOCRAT no matter what.

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Response to LiberalArkie (Original post)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 07:24 AM

76. I hope he's right!

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Response to LiberalArkie (Original post)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 11:21 AM

83. I wondered what happened to ABC's Millennial focus group too.

 

Awesome post, as it's important to keep remembering just how 'rigged' the election is, from the media,
to the debate scheduling, and even many of these 'professional' polls .. But Bernie keeps tacking into
the fierce headwinds and keeps gaining more and more momentum with each passing day.

Great to see a link from JackpineRadicals too.

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Response to LiberalArkie (Original post)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 01:27 PM

87. I like the one comment....

 

Hillary's request for a new voting law: You get one vote for every $500 you donate to her.


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Response to LiberalArkie (Original post)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 01:49 PM

88. I think the US needs

a fundamental rethinking of what its media establishment has become and face that reality.

For all intents and purposes, our corporate-owned media are the spokespeople for their respective employees, not organizations dedicated to bringing information to the public. Whatever their employers desire (in this case, a Hillary Clinton presidency) our media is going to do whatever they can to bring their employers' wishes to reality. None of these "journalists" wants to risk their jobs and income by going against the wishes of their bosses (as in any job).

Before a handful of corporations and wealthy individuals bought up our media establishment, our politicians were afraid of the media and dreaded having to answer their questions. Not so today. Our mainstream media simply acts as the unquestioning middle man to pass on whatever information they're given - they don't investigate or question that information.

This is why I think it's vitality important to our democracy and government transparency for independent journalists (i.e., those who aren't owned by a big corporation) to have greater and expanded access to our lawmakers, and why we should support them financially. Independently-financed reporters and investigative journalists won't feel afraid to dig around in the dirt for fear of being fired or blacklisted. I think Glenn Greenwald's "The Intercept" is doing a good job of investigative journalism and we should all support sites similar to it.

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Response to LiberalArkie (Original post)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 02:08 PM

89. Basically, in the Democrat most likely to have voted for Reagan category, Clinton wins. Nice.

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Response to LiberalArkie (Original post)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 03:22 PM

90. As a woman,

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….I don't even see how she's a great model for breaking the glass ceiling. She would be nowhere without Bill. She came up only through affiliation with a powerful man.

Important for girls and women to have a completely different model of getting through the glass.

Obama's break through was the real deal. Hers is not, IMO.

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Response to zentrum (Reply #90)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 08:08 PM

93. Good Point.

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