Manny being kicked is DU's loss, not Manny's

[marym625]

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It's clicks for Manny's posts that have brought some people here. It's nearly everyone of his posts that reach the greatest page and cause people who hadn't heard of DU to click on and join the site. It's not Manny that lost out with his banning, it's DU.

But, he's over at JackpineRadicals.org

If you decide to register and you don't receive your verification email, please check your spam folder. If still nothing, just hit the "contact us" on the site and we'll fix it.

This site was initially started with JackpineRadical and me. It's a tribute to him and it's to get Bernie Sanders elected. We launched a little early because of the DNC fiasco but we're stable and enjoying good conversation.

Hope all you Bernie supporters will join us for worry free discussion.

As far as Manny, he's a good man who cares deeply about our country, this world and the people in it. He's funny, intelligent and knowledgeable. I find it amusing that someone who drew so many to this site over the years was kicked for one post. But hey, it's their site. And it's their loss.

#FeelTheBern

[Liberal Jesus Freak]

1. Totally enjoying the site!

Thanks

[marym625]

2. Glad to hear it!

Thank you!

[Snotcicles]

53. I'm on over there too. I picked a different handle though. nt

[marym625]

65. So glad you're there!!

[Snotcicles]

68. Like a puppy following you around.nt

[marym625]

87. LOL!

I am honored. But you're no puppy. You're awesome

[Matariki]

78. I'm glad you did!

Because ewww. Sorry. But ewww.

[Snotcicles]

84. LOL. nt

[Kalidurga]

161. I have the same name there

shoot me a pm will ya?

[merrily]

3. Both Jackpine Radical and MannyGoldstein are dearly missed. But "thank Goddess," as MannyGoldstein

might have posted, unlike dear Jackpine Radical, MannyGoldstein is alive and well.

Thanks for this post, marym625.

[marym625]

13. Yes, thankfully, Manny is still with us

I miss Jackpine

[merrily]

14. I do, too. So many do. Such intelligence and insights! And what a spirit!

[marym625]

16. He hated what was going on here

And it's gotten so much worse since.

I have to run. So much to do!!

[merrily]

17. Talk to you another time.

[marym625]

27. Love you!!!

[merrily]

30. .

[Scuba]

146. Jackpine and I were having dinner one night when he went off on some of DU's more conservative ...

... members. He was convinced they were trolls working to disrupt progressive threads and support the status quo and worse.

Interestingly, all those he called out are still here, all Hillary supporters.



I miss him too..

[bvar22]

150. woo me with science , another ex-poster who is sorely missed, nailed it with this post:

The goal of the propaganda assaults across the internet is not to convince anyone of anything.

It is to thoroughly hijack, pollute and therefore eliminate public spaces where real discussion and organization can occur. Occupy is disbanded with clubs and pepper spray. Dissent and organization online are disrupted with surveillance and propaganda.

It is no accident that propaganda brigades post new threads on discussion boards far out of proportion to their presence in the community, and that they nearly *always* demand the last word in any interchange.

The goal is to disrupt the important public space for liberal thought, discussion, and organization that these boards offer, and to keep the participants busy instead batting off the corporate lies and talking points.

woo me with science Sun Jul 28, 2013

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023359801

[Scuba]

154. Yeah, he nailed it there.

[paleotn]

172. Spot on. (nt)

[xocet]

174. What happened to 'woo me with science'? Did that poster become tired of the environment here? n/t

[sabrina 1]

179. I think he did, as have so many others. But he is another loss to this site. I hope he finds

the new one as he is an asset to any site, like Manny and so many others who are no longer here.

[xocet]

181. Who all has gone now? Catherina, MannyGoldstein, Loonix, etc. ...

The golden age of DU seems to be well past now....

[haikugal]

177. Exactly...keep the people devided, keep them distracted, keep them defensive. nt

[sabrina 1]

178. I miss Woo and hope he finds the new site. He is an awesome writer and nails it in that post for

sure. DU has had some great writers who bring others to the site, like Manny, Will, Woo and so many others, including YOU bvar. Shame that the best have either been banned or have simply walked away. But as the OP says, it is not their loss, it is the site's loss.

[Still In Wisconsin]

155. Not a shock...on many positions HRC *IS* a conservative n/t

[roguevalley]

59. on my way. :D

[Stargleamer]

62. Do you know how Jackpine died?

Chess players often get heart attacks, seems like more than the general population does.

[Scuba]

145. Heart failure.

[sarge43]

4. Thanks for the heads up n/t

[marym625]

12. You're welcome

[Proserpina]

5. I sincerely doubt DU will survive the primaries, at this rate

Why would anyone contribute money to the blatant SS troops here? That's "Saving Schultz", by the way, and her backer....

[MissDeeds]

7. +1 n/t

[marym625]

9. Doesn't look good

At least not with good, prolific, intelligent posters.

[Katashi_itto]

79. Heck, I am all for letting them have their echo chamber

[marym625]

88. me too

[villager]

176. Definitely more and more oily smoke pouring out from the engine, here....

We'll see what kind of "landing" happens next....

[Katashi_itto]

75. +1000

[MissDeeds]

6. Well said, marym625

Manny was a DU treasure and it is DU's loss. We're not the thought police here, at least I don't think we are, and we aren't the sheeple that we decried during the dark days of the GWB era. Manny is an impassioned progressive, and I personally feel DU could use more of his kind.

I know he will be fine where he is and a lot of us will enjoy discussing with him there. Hope he knows that.

[marym625]

8. He absolutely does.

But hearing it always helps!

Thank you. See you over there!

[roguevalley]

60. you know, the prolific posters drive the ads. The owners are cutting

their own income down when this happens. But then, they didn't ban the rapists so I don't know what they think. Who knows anymore?

[marym625]

85. it's a mystery to me

[TDale313]

10. Thank you, Mary.

I joined (although I'm waiting for my confirmation e-mail.)

Really disheartened by this turn of events and what's happening to DU right now.

Editing to add: found the confirmation e-mail 😊 All set. Thx.

[marym625]

18. Awesome. see you there

and thank you!

[LiberalArkie]

11. Thank you for everything Marym

[marym625]

19. Thank you, LiberalArkie!

Thank you much!

[dorkzilla]

15. marym625, awesome sauce as usual

I’d follow you, and our fellow Bernistas, anywhere.

So glad there is a place for us to speak intelligently and candidly. Well, all except for me - I’m the one drooling in the corner.

[Autumn]

21. She's working on that

[dorkzilla]

22. All sorted!

Thanks!

[marym625]

23. LOL! You're awesome

Don't ever forget that.

So glad to have you there

[dorkzilla]

34. Aw shucks!

And I didn’t mention, in case she hasn’t, Des and I had a blast in NYC last weekend; we got drunk, I took her to see the tree and we met some weirdos. She’s a terrific person who gave me some much-needed advice and support with my illness. I have a wonderful new friend because of you.

[marym625]

44. I'm do glad!!

I love her to pieces. Miss her very much. She helped me move and she helped me after I had surgery. Even if she hadn't, she's a beautiful, wonderful person.

I'm glad you two connected! Glad you got drunk too!

[tularetom]

20. Thanks for starting that site

I'm over there under a different user name.

What has happened to this place over the past year or so is just depressing. Makes me wonder if the admins received something to sweeten the pot from the bottomless piggy bank of the Clinton foundation or some other appendage.

[marym625]

24. You're welcome

And thank you!!

Yes, I have to wonder the same thing

[arcane1]

25. It has to be embarrassing to create that Mojo site to get in the Clinton's good graces

Only to have the vast majority of DUers supporting Sanders.

I wouldn't want to be in their shoes

[tularetom]

32. I think we're onto something

I had forgotten about that.

[zentrum]

26. Thanks marym.

Took your advice.

I'm totally confused by DU at this point.

[marym625]

29. Thank you!!

Glad to have you!

[avaistheone1]

28. Thanks for the info.

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Will do some reading there tonight.

[marym625]

31. Great! Hope you like it

[Bryce Butler]

33. I signed up

but i'll be lurking for the time being. I do look forward to reading Manny's posts again

[marym625]

45. Whatever floats your boat!

Only requirement is to support Sanders. Glad to have you!! Thank you

[billhicks76]

35. Please Reinstate Manny

Have a heart over the holidays. It's not an easy time for everyone.

[zentrum]

36. Yes, please reinstate.

[billhicks76]

39. Merry Christmas

[zentrum]

40. You too.

[marym625]

46. According to what Skinner said recently, he didn't break any rules

so, ya gotta wonder. I, on the other hand..

[Scuba]

147. ^^This^^

[TIME TO PANIC]

37. Thanks for the link.

[marym625]

48. Thank you!!

[Cassiopeia]

38. It's looking good so far.

Excellent work.

[marym625]

49. Thank you! I can't take much credit for any technical stuff

But I know the others are watching this and I know they're appreciative

[DocMac]

41. Thanks for the link.

I bookmarked it and will register.

[marym625]

50. Great! Thank you!

[djean111]

42. Thanks for the site, thanks for the invite!

Easy to sign up, too, and I am using the same user name.

[Contrary1]

43. You'll have to let us know how many new members you've gained by Manny getting booted...

Things often have a way of working out for the best.

[Autumn]

55. A...

whole bunch

[Enthusiast]

47. Kicked and recommended a whole bunch!

[marym625]

66. Thank you my friend!!

[starroute]

51. My verification email did get eaten by my spam filter

i sent a note to Contact Us and haven't heard back. Does that mean I'm waiting for a second email -- or that you took my query as verification and quietly activated my registration?

[marym625]

58. sorry I thought I responded

You're good to go

[starroute]

105. Yes, I see that you did

My spam checker program didn't delete that one, but it didn't alert me that it had come in either. I'll have to fiddle with the settings some more.

Anyway, it's all good now. And thank you.

[marym625]

106. just glad you're there!

[Hatchling]

52. k&r

[marym625]

67. Thank you!!

[Ino]

54. Got my confirmation -- thanks Mary! (nt)

[marym625]

70. YAY!!

Thank you!

[jwirr]

56. Haven't signed in yet but I am on my way. Thanks loads.

[marym625]

71. Oh I'm so glad!!

Please let me know if you have any problems.

[jwirr]

123. Will do.

[Cornus]

57. Just joined...

I seldom post here, or anywhere, but I do enjoy reading what others have to say.

[marym625]

72. Glad to have you!!

[Gore1FL]

61. Have they made a graphic to grave dance with, yet? n/t

[marym625]

74. I don't grave dance

And, there's no complaining about certain sites.

But we have a real cool dancing guy

[Gore1FL]

89. I apologize if you thought I meant you! The people with the fly-swatter gifs is who I mean.

They made one when L0oniX was banned. I figured they might make one in "honor" of Manny.

[marym625]

101. I wasn't positive

So thank you for clarifying. But no apology necessary!

#FeelTheBern

[cantbeserious]

63. Roger That On All Accounts And Particulars

eom

[marym625]

97. Cool. Thank you!

[Mbrow]

64. On my way!

I'm getting tired of the circular firing squad over here.

[marym625]

108. Great, we're keeping the light on for you

Glad to have you!

[Mbrow]

143. Thanks!

I'm Idaho progressive over there

[libodem]

69. I found Jackpine Radical

A veritable treasure trove of knowledge regarding human behavior. I truely miss him. Very happy to know about the site.

Thanx

[marym625]

102. he's with us now

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I've edited this because I didn't write it like I thought it. JackpineRadical and I came up with the idea of this site. We talked about everything from admins down to the purpose of the site. I never veered from our plan. While a couple people he initially thought about being on board have become Hillary supporters since we spoke about it, everything is as he wanted. That includes a site for real discussion, to implement real change, end the oligarchy and to get Bernie elected. We started talking before Bernie announced and continued working on it until the day before he died.

I don't believe in god or spirits but I do believe in energy. His energy helped make the site what it is. Otherwise, we never would have named it in honor of him.

[HoneychildMooseMoss]

73. Whaaaaaaaaa? Manny's gone?

[marym625]

109. just from here

He's over at Jackpineradicals.org

Banning him made no sense to me. But hey, I don't understand how anyone agrees with third-way politics. And I dated the brother in law of one of the founders.

[Matariki]

76. Results of your Jury Service

On Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:18 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Manny being kicked is DU's loss, not Manny's
http://www.democraticunderground.com/128085606

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

a thread trashing DU and the admins; it's clearly OTT

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:22 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I don't see it as attacking DU as much as saying DU lost someone they admire.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The alerter is a crybaby. I will never vote for Sanders BUT THIS IS THE F'N SANDERS GROUP.

I weep for DU, and intellectual honesty.

This is like alerting on a post in the Green Bay Packers Group if they failed to acknowledge Ditka as the greatest coach ever.

Shame.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Uhh, no.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No. Just no.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[arcane1]

82. Another chickenshit alert, and a toast for juror #3

[Ed Suspicious]

90. Jury nullification is a lovely thing.

[MisterP]

94. "I will never vote for Sanders"? guess Juror 3 is gonna get TSed too, right?

[marym625]

103. LOL!

I hope not but if Manny goes.....

[Lizzie Poppet]

158. Yep, that'll happen...

...on or about the 34th of Nevervember.

[sabrina 1]

180. That would mean things are fair around here. And we know that is not the case sadly.

[marym625]

110. Thank you!

[Katashi_itto]

77. Wow nice site Jackpine! Joining it.

[marym625]

107. Thank you!

Glad to have you!

[CentralMass]

80. I registered. the site looks nice and inviting.

[marym625]

111. so glad you like it

We're glad to have you!

[Not Sure]

81. Thank you

It seems like the only thing I click around here is the ignore button anymore. I am glad to have a new place to go where hopefully it won't be the same way.

[marym625]

112. nope. nothing like it in that sense

Please come join us!

[truebluegreen]

83. Love the new site!

And the old familiar (respected) faces.

[marym625]

113. Thank you!

So glad to have you!!

[neverforget]

86. And the Jury spoke:

On Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:18 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Manny being kicked is DU's loss, not Manny's
http://www.democraticunderground.com/128085606

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

a thread trashing DU and the admins; it's clearly OTT

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:22 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I don't see it as attacking DU as much as saying DU lost someone they admire.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The alerter is a crybaby. I will never vote for Sanders BUT THIS IS THE F'N SANDERS GROUP.

I weep for DU, and intellectual honesty.

This is like alerting on a post in the Green Bay Packers Group if they failed to acknowledge Ditka as the greatest coach ever.

Shame.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Uhh, no.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No. Just no.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[CentralMass]

93. Well, now that really sucks.

[marym625]

114. Thank you!

[TekGryphon]

91. Bernie Sanders asked us to discuss the issues, not identities

Manny, in my opinion, was one of the leading voices turning DU away from a place to discuss issues and learn about platforms and into a hateful cesspit of snark and gutter sniping.

I learned nothing about Bernie Sanders or his platform from Manny or anyone who participated in his threads.

Good riddance.

[marym625]

115. And your even replying to this post is informative about policy, how?

How much did you just teach about your candidate?

Obviously, you didn't even read Manny's posts.

Have a good night!

[Bohunk68]

92. Thank you, Mary.

I will come on over. Think maybe it is time to relinquish my gold star come renewal.

[marym625]

116. We would be thrilled to have you

Please, come join us!

[red dog 1]

95. K&R...Thanks for that link

I'm now registered there, and will be visiting the site daily.

[marym625]

117. Fabulous!

Thank you!! Great to have you

[TSIAS]

96. I signed up

At least at this site you don't have to PROVE you support Bernie Sanders, unlike some other sites on the internet.

[marym625]

118. Glad you signed up!

Thank you!

[PasadenaTrudy]

98. I just joined too..

Same screen name

[marym625]

119. Thank you!

Glad to have you! Hope you enjoy!

[Skittles]

99. what is wrong with people too stupid to learn how to use IGNORE

ugh - PATHETIC

[marym625]

120. I don't know

Makes nosense to me

[Michigan-Arizona]

100. Registered & received my confirmation email

Thank you for all you do for the Bernie campaign, you are amazing!

[marym625]

121. Why thank you!

That's very sweet of you

Glad to have you at jackpineradicals.org

[TBF]

104. Thank you. K&R nt

[marym625]

122. and thank you!

[Unknown Beatle]

124. Thank you so much!

I just joined. Like a breath of fresh air.

[marym625]

125. Thank you!!

so glad to have you and you like it!

[Hepburn]

126. I am so please to have been invited.

The best of the best of DU is over there...feelin' the Bern!

[marym625]

128. so glad to count you in that group!

I have to say, I'm missing Jackpineradical a great deal today

[Hepburn]

130. Thanks, it's an honor to be in that group!

[jfern]

127. Hillary supporters whine every time they got a hide while they ban Bernie supporters

[marym625]

129. frankly,

I'm shocked I'm still here. May not last long. Don't know.

Yep, they do. But you'll find none of that at www.Jackpineradicals.org

[DhhD]

153. I think Hillary supporters want this site all to themselves.

[Kalidurga]

163. Give it time, it could happen

I was thinking about asking people about the possibility of starting another site just moments before I saw that there is actually a new site. So there you go GMTA.

[hobbit709]

170. And worse yet, brag about it.

[bkkyosemite]

131. I'm in. Different name (my dogs name plus mine :) )

[marym625]

132. Glad to have you!

Thank you

[MuseRider]

133. It's real fancy over there!

I can't figure it out yet but I will eventually

Maybe I should have changed my name. I may do that, I will let you know.

Thank you, it is much easier to feel the bern over there

[marym625]

134. Feeling the fancy Bern!

Glad you like it.,sorry if it's confusing. I'm writing up some FAQ to explain things better. We didn't plan to launch so quickly but with things as they are, we did

Llet me know, over there please, if you need any help

Thank you so much for joining!! Glad to have you!

[MuseRider]

135. Oh nooooo

it is only confusing because it is different and I am not a child of the Internet generations. I like it and found the pages to help me and already figured a few things out so it is just fine.

I still think I might change my name since I just shortened this one.

[marym625]

136. Thank you!

Just let me know and you can have any name you want

[Live and Learn]

137. Very true and I love the new site. Nice work! nt

[marym625]

138. Thank you!

So glad to have you! Really, honored!

I'm taking the compliment for the 3 of us. But one of us did much more of the forum work. Much more! And it sure as shit wasn't me!

[Live and Learn]

139. Well, thank all 3 of you for all the hard work.

It was becoming quite obvious that a new site was needed and I love that it is named after Jackpine. What a lovely tribute.

[marym625]

141. Thank you.

I wish he could see the finished product

[dgibby]

140. Please save me a seat at the table! n/t

[marym625]

142. Seat saved. light on.

Please join when you're ready. We would be glad to have you!

#FeelTheBern

[dgibby]

165. I'll be right there!

Do you want me to bring donuts or muffins to go with the coffee? LOL! Thanks so much. I'm honored to be included.

[LiberalElite]

144. +1,000,000 eom

[Jokerman]

148. If DU doesn't want Manny, DU doesn't want me.

Signing up now.

[Hun Joro]

149. I just made the switch.

Hillary Wellaboveground will no longer get my pittance of donations.

[Live and Learn]

151. K&R nt

[tazkcmo]

152. Shedding like a Labrador in summer. n/t

[sarge43]

156. I've joined.

Looking forward to discussions without having to worry about the alert police...and reading Manny's posts.

[malokvale77]

157. Nice site.

Heading over to where the smart people are.

Thanks for the heads up marym.

[whereisjustice]

159. Democratic Party is cutting off their nose to spite their face. Why shouldn't DU? Hillary

and Debbie are good with that. Fuck 50 states. DU like Hillary just needs a handful of conservative Wall Street supporters and the magic will happen for the middle class.

So I'm told.

[w0nderer]

160. K&R n/t

[LovingA2andMI]

162. Thanks and Joined....

And we would STILL love to interview Manny and Invite the Owner(s) of Jackpine Radicals into that interview (if we can schedule it) too! Feel free to contact us at Independent Underground News & Talk FB -- via the Message option.

[Kalidurga]

164. I was wondering if a mass exodus would happen

Not because of Manny, but because of the toxic environment here. All the lies and such. It tells me a great deal when a minority of posters make the majority of the negative posts then claim the majority is bullying them and never offer proof of those claims.

[rwsanders]

166. The ban inspired me to stop procrastinating and make my first donation to the Sanders campaign

Thanks moderators!

[snot]

167. On my way; thanks!

[beltanefauve]

168. I joined too!

Thank you for the welcome letter marym625.

I've been here since 2004, but I lurk more than I post. As I said in reply to your welcome, Democratic Underground is increasingly becoming Democratic Status Quo. I'm thrilled that so many of my favorite DU posters are going over to Jackpine Radicals!

[Paka]

169. And the new site is awesome.

Thank you for all your work getting it up and running.

[SalviaBlue]

171. K&R

[Dont call me Shirley]

173. Thanks, marym. JackRad is rad!

[Lokijohn]

175. Thanks Marym, the site looks great!

[NuttyFluffers]

182. thanks for the invite! "echo chamber underground" is reaching endgame.

i like to watch entropy in action, so my past 2 years on ECU has been in observation mode. the conflagration was quite bright. but now it is down to spot fires and embers; the 'there' there is rapidly fading.

i look forward to seeing familiar writers in their new, spacious home.