I'm astonished by Hillary supporters

[pinebox]

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Absolutely astonished.

I've seen Hillary supporters here on DU in the last few days do this;

Defend fracking.
Defend a non living wage.
Say single payer health care is bad.
Defend The Patriot Act.
Say that Hillary wanting to put back door encryption in our devices is fine.
Her college plan is fine and people should pay something.
Defend the 89 Dem reps who voted to gut SNAP.

Some of these are the core principles of being a Democrat & yet they're against them. I'm sorry but you're defending shit like the above, you're no Dem, hell you aren't even a Liberal. Almost every single one of these listed above are Republican talking points.

Shit like this makes me glad I'm an indy.

[cantbeserious]

1. All Stems From Their Defense Of An Authoritarian Candidate

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[pinebox]

2. It's disgusting

[SammyWinstonJack]

100. It is disgusting.

[Scootaloo]

4. Well, for the ones who are like "Hillary says X, X is therefore true," sure

but there's no shortage of people who seem to have evaluated these bad ideas and chosen to support them on merit. Which - to me, at least - isn't the least bit shocking, given how much "ex-republican-but-not-liberal" detritus the party has scooped up since 2000.

[Locrian]

24. nailed it

I knew that when they went crazy over the "wow - she looked so strong" during the hearings. Policy? What policy - who cares!

[senz]

56. It's all about the person, not the policies. That's all that matters

to her hardcore supporters. And the American people? We don't even register on their meters. All they want is Hillary's success in whatever she wants. Period.

[AgingAmerican]

88. This is what I have been seeing for a while now

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Cult of personality. The disturbing thing about it is nobody knows what her real personality is like. The Hillary we see is a corporate packaged product.

[senz]

110. True

although there things were done to her as First Lady that elicited a tremendous amount of sympathy (in me, as well), and I think this is the basis on which much of the adoration rests. At that point, she stood for innocent victim, injured party, scapegoat, and villainized woman. When she started going all crooked with the NY Senate run (pure carpet bagging), her Iraq vote, and then the horrifying behavior in the 2008 campaign, I revised my opinion of her. I saw that the well-meaning person I thought she was could not make the decisions she made nor do the things she did. It was like finally seeing into her, seeing sides to her that were not fully apparent in the 1990s. So I revised my image to match the reality. But some of her followers did not let her behavior affect their image of her. Rather than give up an attractive, compelling illusion, they began to rationalize, to make excuses. And as her words and actions got worse and worse -- as she came into clearer focus for the rest of us -- they chose to relinquish their standards of behavior rather than give up the heroine.

So I figure her image has entered the realm of Jungian archetype. She fills a basic need in the psyche of some of her followers, and, if you've noticed, these ones are fiercely protective of her. One of her implacable, die-hard supporters stated a few days ago that he would lay down his life for her. That's an image with a powerful pull, almost a religious phenomenon. She is the archetypal female for some, the innocent scapegoat, the Horatio Alger underdog who overcomes all obstacles to win at last -- and when (if) she does, then the symbolic victory will have satisfied a burning need in the psyches of those who projected their hopes, dreams, frustrations, struggles, etc. onto her.

If her handlers read DU, they probably know exactly what they have there -- and rejoice over it. She and Bill probably understand all this stuff on a shrewd, cagey, intuitive level as well.

On the bright side, I seriously doubt that this mechanism holds for most Democrats -- which means they are still reachable through fact, reason, appeals to their real interests and needs, etc.

And then, of course, there are supporters who are in it for their own money and power...

[pangaia]

116. Very well written.

My main take on one big difference between Secretary Clinton and Senator Sanders, maybe the most significant, is that I believe Clinton is in this race for herself. She WANTS, and has wanted for a very, very long time, to be president.

I believe that Sanders is in it, probably rather reluctantly, for the benefit of all human beings and not for himself.

[senz]

124. That's exactly how I see it, pangaia

She's in it for herself, he's in it for us.

Her narrow, selfish focus, coupled with an apparent lack of conscience, makes her a truly frightening prospect for the most powerful position in the world.

So it's important that we do all we can to get the nomination for Bernie, even though it's an uphill fight given the money and pull on the other side. And if anything happens to him, heaven forbid, I'd quickly go with O'Malley. Unless Elizabeth Warren were to throw her hat in the ring. But Hillary is not the one.

[Thespian2]

149. Excellent response...

I would only add that Big Bill can't wait to stick his ass back into the White House hot tub...After all, that was his important addition to his pad...

[pangaia]

150. Yes, then there is that.

And even MORE $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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[hifiguy]

204. Bingo.

I see HRH as the Richard Nixon of our times. She has been running for the office, to some greater or lesser degree, for 23 years now. Even Nixon only ran for 20 (1952, when he was nominated for VP, to 1972 reelection). Ambition for it has consumed her completely and she will say or do anything, or cut any deal with the monied interests, to get the presidency - just like Nixon did. The parallels are uncanny and informative. It is ALL about her and absolutely no one else. There is no longer any there there, if ever there were.

[AgingAmerican]

120. "they began to rationalize, to make excuses"

Cognitive dissonance. When the world you believe in doesn't match the world you see, you bridge the reality gap via rationalization.

Hillary's 'I protected Wall Street on 9/11' gaffe seemed to open up a huge tear in their obfuscation time space continuum. They don't try to hide it anymore. The gaffe ripped the clothes off the emperor, full Monte and her supporters are embracing it.

The net result is we are now bombarded by Long standing Republican talking points/policy, like this OP from today:
If Sanders supporters don't want a tax cut on the middle class does that mean they want a tax hike?

The next couple months will be interesting to see how far to the right they go, and how many of her quieter supporters will become absolutely horrified by it.

[senz]

127. Yes, it's rather breath-taking to watch

and a tad scary. Some have been expressing Republican memes for quite a while in comments, but now it's apparently becoming an open policy. Can you imagine what they'd go for, consent to, if she were president? Fortunately, the majority don't seem to be that mesmerized by her. Actually, I've wondered if Trump is using 1930s Germany as a playbook and if his popularity reflects something seriously scary in America at present. It's long been there in militia groups, Birch Society, etc., but with the terrorist threat it could be awakening from its slumber and unfortunately, the Clinton group are probably noticing it too ... oh well, this could devolve into telling scary stories around the campfire, and we've got enough problems just getting through this primary.

[glinda]

158. He is am sure either consciously or subconsciously. Being ignorant of history.

He has Adolf's hairstyle though.

[Paka]

130. Nailed it!

Great summation of the "non-reality" that surrounds both the candidate and her supporters.

[BeanMusical]

138. Great analysis, it explains a lot of things that I found baffling.

[glinda]

157. I believe exactly what you do on this matter. Well said .

[artislife]

160. It did begin with her carpetbagging it to the NY senate

I mean, she barely qualified (this is my opinion, I don't know the exact amount of time one needs to be a resident of a state) to represent NY. And she rode in on her "experience" of being a First Lady. Good god. That was the beignning I believe, for me to look at her side ways.

[senz]

164. I thought of you when I read this today --

“My parents had a saying in Spanish — ‘Dime con quién andas y te diré quién eres’ — which means, ‘Tell me who you’re hanging with and I’ll tell you who you are,’” said Alma R. Gonzalez, an uncommitted superdelegate from Florida. “A lot of my Democratic friends feel that way about Hillary and Wall Street."

in an excellent article in the New York Times that I wish someone would post an OP on:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/22/us/politics/wall-st-ties-linger-as-image-issue-for-hillary-clinton.html

[artislife]

170. Thanks senz!

We need someone with a star....otherwise they sink like a stone...maybe pm merrily or one of the others who have OPs that live...

[Bernin4U]

215. Paula Jones did it for me

The whole thing just seemed a little too slimy, and not just a republican hit job.

Hillz standing up for Bill, and going on the offensive after his exploits just seemed so House of Cards.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3096653/Don-t-let-Bill-White-House-abused-women-ll-Paula-Jones-warns-against-voting-Hillary-lied-sex-case-cost-presidency.html#comments-3096653

[artislife]

159. I was just about to post the dreaded cult of personality phrase

I just can't get behind her, at all. She doesn't seem to have a moral compass on a lot of issues.

[Fairgo]

104. Thus the fetish gif

Brushing imaginary lint off your shoulder: A staged affectation to thrill the fan base. Watch carefully, she's doing her best James Dean.

[djean111]

112. And there is a wonderful clip of Obama doing that very thing - brushing off her dirty campaign

crap....

One day after getting attacked by Hillary Clinton and George Stephanopoulos-- a former Clinton senior political adviser and communications director posing as a journalist-- in the ABC News debate in Pennsylvania, Barack Obama brushes it off.

[pangaia]

117. I alwats thought the GIF was just a copy of Obama's REAL move.

[artislife]

162. Yup

And it is seriously twisted that some of her followers love them both and celebrate it. Not context, no history. Wow...it boggles the mind.

[senz]

161. Someone on another thread said

that Hillary should do something about that dandruff problem.

[Divernan]

219. Wish she'd been strong enough to control Bill's personal behavior.

I'm sure she tried, and decades of failure on that front have given her a lot of rage to project in her warlike approach to foreign policy.

[Duckfan]

221. You have to throw in TPP too

For it, against it. For it, against it.

[CoffeeCat]

58. I find it disloyal to Democratic Party principles...

If I wanted to vote for a neocon, warmongering Wall Street golden girl who cheerleads for fracking and is against single-payer--I'd be making phone calls for Carly Fiorina.

Hillary's bizarre and extreme views are completely whacked and an affront to many Democrats.

[AgingAmerican]

86. That and her 'I protected Wall street on 9/11' gaffe

set them off on full Monte right wing.

[Fairgo]

105. Yikes!

[snort]

135. Yeah right?

Food Stamps for Stock Brokers! Amazing stuff.

[rhett o rick]

129. Of course I agree and if I may use this response to link to my OP

"The Authoritarian Personality" http://www.democraticunderground.com/127710250

[cantbeserious]

131. Absolutely - I Riffed From You Earlier Today

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[rhett o rick]

132. Thanks. I think people are beginning to understand. It's no use arguing with them. nm

[merrily]

180. It stems from the variance between what they say about their candidate and her record.

They make some hyperbolic claim that is either not true or is only partly true or is a wild exaggeration. Then, others point out the discrepancy between their claims and her record. Then a flame war ensues. Then someone posts a meta thread, or a shit stirring thread or a thread in which someone takes it upon himself or herself to instruct others how to post, or all three. And maybe another loyalty oath thread, too. It's old and boring, yet disruptive at the same time.

[SoapBox]

3. Super ditto!

It's anything but my vision of a Democrat.

It's all been a REAL eye opener this year in particular.

[AzDar]

5. Baffling.

[TM99]

6. This thread was alerted on.

I am not locking it.

This is neoliberalism. It is NOT the Democratic Party of progressives today.

This needs to be expounded upon daily until Sanders wins.

[pinebox]

13. Of course it was alerted on

I fully expected that by those who can't stand the truth.

[pangaia]

20. Alerted on ?? For what?

Yeesh !

[TheBlackAdder]

65. When itemized, it presents a disconnect between Progressive values--highlighting Conservativism.

.


People who flag this thread do so because it exposes the abandonment of progressive principles, favoring the status quo.


Those issues above are classic GOP positions that The Heritage Foundation would support or does.


.

[AllyCat]

30. Alerted??? These are not democratic values

Last I checked, this is DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND.

[TM99]

41. It was alerted on because

Clinton supporters can not come into this group and defend it.

[senz]

48. They have their own group.

They can say whatever they want there (within bounds of decency, etc.)

Therefore, how silly to try to stop us from discussing HRC's record.

[nc4bo]

154. Their own group? Hell, I heard they have their own little website....

where they drop all kinds of shade on anyone not onboard the weathervane express.

The hypocrisy is amazing.

[truebrit71]

49. Then they should stay in their own fucking group...

... and stop their bullshit alert-trolling...

Guess the truth hurts, eh?

[TM99]

53. Alert trolling is common here.

Ironically enough often from those on time-outs.

[truebrit71]

57. That's definitely a glitch that needs to be addressed...

If you're on time out you shouldn't be able to do anything other than read the threads... but that's a different topic...

[senz]

73. Perhaps needing an outlet for expressing aggression.

That's what DU seems to be, for some.

[TM99]

76. I figured they were just bored

and got their jollies from sending us Hosts all the alerts.

[senz]

82. That's one of the definitions

of "troll," I do believe.

[TM99]

84. I have called out several

monsters under the bridge but I watch my tongue these days as I usually get a hide for doing so.

[senz]

94. Yes, I've noticed that hides are often based on keywords

rather than anything "personal, abusive, hurtful, over the top" etc. It's almost as if certain words, perfectly good English words, cannot be used. There should be a list so we all can know. I can be a little slow but have noticed that "concern" is sometimes a euphemism. Also "bridge." But it's okay to swear like a sailor here.

In fact, some sites have (or had) software that scanned comments for certain words, phrases, or combinations of words and rejected the entire comment outright, regardless of what it was saying. A friend and I used to test Huffington Post for those, back when they used such a system. For instance, for a while there you could not use the words "Hillary" and "hedge fund" in the same comment -- didn't matter what you were talking about. You also could not use the words "cow" and "fat" in the same comment; again, didn't matter what the comment was saying. And there were scores if not hundreds of other common words to avoid. It was an ugly system.

Well, I don't want to go any further off topic, though it's an interesting subject.

[jeff47]

123. Tip: Backhanded compliments are less likely to get a hide, while still making the same point. (nt)

[senz]

128. Thanks, will keep that in mind.

[AgingAmerican]

90. Or they still want to collect checks

[senz]

121. Yes, I think that's true.

Internet comments can be persuasive -- it's the equivalent of the public sphere where people make up their minds -- so Repubs and others with unlimited funds are shrewd to buy their own commenters. Sometimes, though, you can tell.

[AgingAmerican]

89. One timed-out person kept messaging me in response to my posts

So much so it became petty harassment, and she was degenerating everything into 'neener neener neener'. Had to block her 2 days ago.

[TM99]

95. I was warned about that poster

and have had them on full Ignore from the get go!

[davidpdx]

210. I think I know who you are talking about

I got one from that particular person who is nasty, vile, and overbearing. When another DUer spouted the same thing, I proceeded to take a screen shot of it and post it in that thread.

[840high]

77. They can go to their Clinton cove.

[cui bono]

122. Cave.

Cove sounds too nice. And I don't want to imagine them in bathing suits.

[BeanMusical]

137. Rofl!

I'm dying!

[cui bono]

175. hehe...

[840high]

145. lol

[Jack Rabbit]

55. +1

If Bernie doesn't win, then we shall still continue to expound on it.

The point of Bernie's candidacy is that America needs a political revolution. If I or others in this group vote for Mrs. Clinton in the general election, it must be clear that it well because she isn't as bad as a Republican and is is no way a ringing endorsement of her ability to lead us where we to go. We will not sit down and shut up just because the President is a Democrat if she is not a democrat.

I spent some time yesterday on an otherwise sinking thread simply arguing with a sophist claiming that it is a smear to assert that Mrs. Clinton responds money donated by Wall Streets Banks to her campaign organization or the Clinton Foundation or the exorbitant fees she receives for speaking to an audience of Wall Street bankers with the commission of acts favorable to those banks or the omission of unfavorable acts. I think this fellow is a law student because he demanded the kind of proof that one would expect in a criminal trial; of course, such an assertion is intended as a subject for discussion and is in no way a criminal indictment.

That is what we're up against and when you see it, push back. Don't be afraid to take on a sophist. If you really want to have some fun with one, then familiarize yourself with this and come to the next fight armed.

[sabrina 1]

7. Use all that to demonstrate the difference between a Real Democrat like Bernie and

the pro Republican policies of the Third Way that has taken over the leadership of the Dem party. A lot of people don't know what has happened to the party.

Use those very posts when campaigning for Bernie among Dems, especially older Dems who are supporting Hillary mainly out of loyalty to the party and/or because she is a woman.

Just bring your lap top and use their own words to let democrats know what is now being supported by the presumed nominee and many of her supporters.

When you get lemons, make lemonade!

[pinebox]

8. You said it!

And that is exactly what I'm doing.
I'll challenge and call out ANY of her supporters who post such BS and back it up with facts.

[sabrina 1]

17. And then use their responses when campaigning for Bernie. I know many democrats

who will be shocked to see what we get to see here. And the more Dems who see it, the better. When I show people some of what gets posted here by Hillary supporters, they cannot believe it. It's a great campaign tool for Bernie.

[pinebox]

22. Oh believe me, I am

and I am posting their responses and some with screen caps for many to see on Twitter. It shows the great divide we face and how some defend the status quo.
Bernie is running to change things, Hillary is running because she wants the office.

[hedda_foil]

125. Now that's not fair. I'm sure she's not running just "because she wants the office."

She's also running because she thinks she deserves it.

[Enthusiast]

60. PRECISELY!

[senz]

79. Excellent suggestion, sabrina.

Not only Third Way supporters but also the actions and votes of their candidate. There is plenty of evidence to work from, and compiling it in a few concise, understandable points would help wake up less active Dems.

[AgingAmerican]

92. True that

They are handing us all we need on a silver platter. That's a good way to look at it, but makes thte thought of a Hillary presidency very disturbing none the less.

[Faux pas]

9. It hurts when

you find out that people aren't who you thought they were.

[davidpdx]

211. +1

There are a number of DUers who were avid Obama supporters who support Clinton and have become vile, angry, and hostile. The people I am referring to were once friends and have become something I don't even want to acknowledge anymore. It is disappointing.

[Ed Suspicious]

10. And they say "far better than any Republican." I can't agree. Better at covertly implementing

center-right Republican policy that Republicans wanted all along, and doing so with limited Democratic Party resistance. It makes her the perfect Republican candidate. We live in crazy times, my friends. Crazy times.

[Moostache]

33. Re-read that list of positions in the OP...

There is a reason that the GOP presidential field is allowed to run like a clown car college...the center-right wing of the party has already chosen a candidate who will support their agenda at the cost of progressive policies.

Hillary Republican-Lite Clinton
A candidate of the 1%, by the 1% and for the 1%.

War hawk candidates that love Wall Street Money, attack progressive policies and waffle in the wind until their donors TELL them what to believe/say are useless to me. Please Democratic Party, please do not sacrifice your soul and principles to hold the office of the Presidency without a candidate willing to USE the office of the presidency to advance the party platform.

[AllyCat]

38. God, I was just thinking this. They win either way

She is a lot better than the clown car, but we could do so much better! We could have a real dem.

[FiveGoodMen]

203. And surely that's the right's plan

Hillary is not the GOP's worst fear, she's their plan B.

Indeed, she may be their plan A.

[arikara]

119. That really is the only thing that makes any sense

given the ship of fools the republicans have running. And that's the only way Mrs Clinton would ever be electable by the republicans is if they have a candidate so crazy that even they can't vote for.

[dreamnightwind]

148. Yes, this

Establishment Democrats typically, after the primary, campaign for the general election and then govern as far to the right as possible without crossing over fully into the established Republican spectrum. It's how they capture the centrists and independents, those who aren't too disgusted to stay home on election day anyway. The left has nowhere else to go, and the third way Democrats delight in telling us so.

By having the Republican clown-car so insanely off the right rail, it allows the establishment Dems to run (and govern) so far to their right that they can drive through the policies wanted by their donors. And they know only a small percentage of Democrats are willing to fight back against policies being driven by their own elected politicians.

They've been runing this play on us for over 30 years now, it's about time we got organized against it. The only way to beat it is to establish somewhere else we can go, so they will have to respect our issues. Otherwise, lip service for the left, room service for the donors.

[glinda]

167. Yes.This was further set in place by the introduction of the Tea

Party pulling further off the rails while dragging the Regular Conservatives and the Dems further to the right. I am so sad I want to vomit.

[dreamnightwind]

173. LOL, descriptive you are

[hifiguy]

205. Boom.

Perfect.

[Enthusiast]

63. Crazy times, indeed.

[Paka]

134. You called it.

A lot sneakier than the Republicans, which makes her a lot more dangerous.

[LiberalArkie]

11. Yep

[HerbChestnut]

12. There's been quite a change here in the last couple of weeks.

Ever since Bernie started calling out Hillary on some of her positions and distinguishing himself from her, all of a sudden people are leaping to Hillary's defense regardless of the topic. The attacks against universal healthcare are particularly telling.

[pinebox]

15. They really are

and it's absolutely disgusting. Against universal health care makes you a RWNJ IMHO.

[valerief]

16. Maybe this is why unemployment went down.

People find jobs in the darnedest places.

BTW, I'm not saying the Hillary campaign did the hiring.

[HerbChestnut]

18. You know, it really does make you wonder.

I've seen some posters ignore facts, math, every facet of reality in order to argue in Hillary's favor.

[valerief]

19. I'm sure there are some very powerful people who don't want to see

Bernie as president.

[bvf]

67. You may be on to something there.

It's hard to imagine how some Clinton supporters can commit such dreck to post without their heads exploding with terminal cases of cognitive dissonance.

[Depaysement]

14. I think I object most to . . .

. . . the way they act as though Sanders and O'Malley supporters are children to be scolded and shamed back to the reality of the Queen's coronation. Don't we get to vote? Don't we get our say too? Don't we get to espouse and defend longtime Democratic principles?

I also think she will roll back some of the labor gains under PBO.

[Cleita]

21. I don't believe all Hillary supporters are guilty, but there is a small faction

that has been doing this and I don't believe they are really Hillary supporters but trolls stirring up shit for fun and profit. When the primaries are over I'm betting they will disappear, the deed being done.

[Vincardog]

45. Till next time

[yuiyoshida]

23. I can't say I am really surprised

DU has become very difficult of late, and I try to stay out of GD-P...it just makes me ill.

[graywarrior]

25. Please don't paint a broad brush of Hillary supporters

This is why I hardly ever come to DU any more. Fucking attacks on other dems. Ridiculous. This is DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND, not Independent Underground.

flame away! I probably won't be back to read it.

[pinebox]

26. We can start here.

Democratic Underground.

Democratic.

"of, relating to, or supporting democracy or its principles.".

Democratic NOT Democrat. There's a difference.

KAPOW!

In your eyes I guess we should all fall in line and not criticize the 89 Dems who voted to gut SNAP or 47 Dems who voted yesterday with Republicans against refugees.
As the old saying goes..."Homey don't play that!"

[Enthusiast]

64. PLUS ONE, a huge bunch!

[cprise]

99. ...

[Rose Siding]

126. Big D, as in the party.

By your logic, the party would be called the Democrat Party and that's an insult usually delivered by Republicans.

Admin could clear it up any concerns you have.

[pinebox]

155. reality

you aren't winning anything without indy support, the largest voting block in America.

[artislife]

166. And I really don't think h will have many pick ups with the independents. nt

[Puglover]

27. You are right.

You won't be back.

Still miss the duck. A lot.

[SoapBox]

29. No flame but...

There are Democrats and then there are the Right of Center, Third Wayers masquerading as Democrats.

I feel no guilt in calling them out...and as stated, it is the DEMOCRATIC Undergroud not the Third-Way Undergound (hmmmm, well maybe...)

[Duckhunter935]

35. That independent

That is running on the democratic ticket and supported by the Democratic Party has caucused with the democrats for decades. I think he is actually more of a democrat then some of those that call themselves one.

[awoke_in_2003]

133. I hate it when they broad brush Sanders supporters...

and I hate it when they broad brush Clinton supporters. I wish everyone would remember that who ever wins the primary is going to need all of our support. We don't need a Donald Trump or Ben Carson naming the next Supreme Court justice. Several are getting way up there in age.

[Divernan]

217. If you "visited DU" more, you'd ALSO be astonished by HRC supporters

And not in a good way.

You really owe it to yourself to familiarize yourself with the gritty, grotty details of the pro corporate/pro Wall Street/pro Big Banking/pro MIC quid-pro-quo-ing which the Clintons, through his presidency, her SOS stint and the nefarious Clinton Family foundation have parlayed into the Clintons' $80 million in PERSONAL wealth.

And due to the Clinton Family Foundation's, partial, less than open, often revised public records, god knows how many tens of millions the Clinton Family Foundation has collected but not distributed, and which is sitting in hedge funds - possibly even the hedge fund owned by their own son-in-law.

Throw out those rose-colored glasses, bro and deal with Clintons' decades long version of RealPolitik - big on accumulating wealth and power; void on ethics. "REALPOLITIK : politics based on practical and material factors rather than on theoretical or ethical objectives "

Come into the light, graywarrior, and support Bernie - you know you want to!

[bbgrunt]

28. Hillary's shift to the right pre-nomination

exhibits a hubris (echoed by her "followers&quot that will do them in. I welcome the unmasking.

[zeemike]

31. It's the power of identity politics.

Get people to vote for an identity and they will forget about policy and substance.
All some people want is a woman as POTUS and nothing else really matters...and my guess is that they are secure and not in need of anything so they just don't care.
It's like a game to them where their team wins...nothing changes but you are a winner.

[kath]

32. 89 "Dem" Senators voted to gut SNAP?!?! What. The. Holy. Fuck.

Jesus Fucking Christ on a Trailer Hitch.

And HRC is okay with that.

These people are NOT Democrats. Goddam Republican infiltrators have fucked over our Party.

and goddam Bill and Hillary were leaders of the infiltration.

On edit -- you must mean 89 so-called "Dem" Reps in the House, not Senators, right?? Still is fucking heinous.

[pinebox]

34. Yup

here you go and and hey what do you know! DWS was one of those!
Ya, meant reps i'll fix that, thanks

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/1/29/1273428/-These-89-Democrats-Voted-to-Cut-8-7-Billion-from-Food-Stamps
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/01/republicans-won-food-stamps-farm-bill

Here is the list of the 89 Democrats who voted for the bill:

Ron Barber (AZ-02)
John Barrow (GA-12)
Ami Bera (CA-07)
Sanford Bishop (GA-02)
Timothy Bishop (NY-01)
Suzanne Bonamici (OR-01)
Bruce Braley (IA-01)
Corinne Brown (FL-05)
Julia Brownley (CA-26)
Cheri Bustos (IL-17)
G. K. Butterfield (NC-01)
Lois Capps (CA-24)
John Carney (DE)
Andre Carson (IN-07)
Kathy Castor (FL-14)
Emanuel Cleaver (MO-05)
Jim Clyburn (SC-06)
Jim Costa (CA-16)
Henry Cuellar (TX-28)
Susan Davis (CA-53)
John Delaney (MD-06)
Suzan DelBene (WA-01)
John Dingell (MI-12)
Tammy Duckworth (IL-08)
Bill Enyart (IL-12)
Sam Farr (CA-20)
Bill Foster (IL-11)
Lois Frankel (FL-22)
Marcia Fudge (OH-11)
Tulsi Gabbard (HI-02)
Pete Gallego (TX-23)
John Garamendi (CA-03)
Joe Garcia (FL-26)
Colleen Hanabusa (HI-01)
Alcee L. Hastings (FL-20)
Denny Heck (WA-10)
Ruben Hinojosa (TX-15)
Steven Horsford (NV-04)
Steny Hoyer (MD-05)
Jared Huffman (CA-02)
Hank Johnson (GA-04)
Eddie Johnson (TX-30)
Marcy Kaptur (OH-09)
Robin Kelly (IL-02)
Dan Kildee (MI-05)
Derek Kilmer (WA-06)
Ann Kirkpatrick (AZ-01)
Anne Kuster (NH-02)
Rick Larsen (WA-02)
Dan Lipinski (IL-03)
Dave Loebsack (IA-02)
Michelle Lujan Grisham (NM-01)
Ben Lujan (NM-03)
Dan Maffei (NY-24)
Sean Maloney (NY-18)
Doris Matsui (CA-06)
Betty McCollum (MN-04)
Mike McIntyre (NC-07)
Jerry McNerney (CA-09)
Mike Michaud (ME-02)
Patrick Murphy (FL-18)
Gloria Negrete McLeod (CA-35)
Rick Nolan (MN-08)
Bill Owens (NY-21)
Nancy Pelosi (CA-12)
Ed Perlmutter (CO-07)
Gary Peters (MI-09)
Collin Peterson (MN-07)
David Price (NC-04)
Nick Rahall (WV-03)
Cedric Richmond (LA-02)
Bradley Schneider (IL-10)
Kurt Schrader (OR-05)
Allyson Schwartz (PA-13)
Bobby Scott (VA-03)
David Scott (GA-13)
Terri Sewell (AL-07)
Carol Shea-Porter (NH-01)
Brad Sherman (CA-30)
Kyrsten Sinema (AZ-09)
Albio Sires (NJ-08)
Mike Thompson (CA-05)
Bennie Thompson (MS-02)
Paul Tonko (NY-20)
Filemon Vela (TX-34)
Tim Walz (MN-01)
Debbie Wasserman Schultz (FL-23)
Pete Welch (VT)

[panader0]

43. Ron Barber is no longer in congress

Martha McSalley (R) has his seat now. Just sayin'
Or was this vote a ways back?

[pinebox]

59. Jan 2014

[Divernan]

216. 2014 Farm Bill-$8.7 BILLION cut to food stamps!

This bill could not have passed without the support of these 89 House "Democrats".

NOTE: Neither of the representatives who have endorsed Bernie (U.S. Representatives
Keith Ellison, MN, & Raúl Grijalva, AZ) are on this list of turncoats who did their GOP-lite bit to starve kids by slashing food stamps NINETY FUCKING DOLLARS A MONTH PER RECIPIENT. But you sure find a whole helluva lot of Hillary endorsers.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/1/29/1273428/-These-89-Democrats-Voted-to-Cut-8-7-Billion-from-Food-Stamps

Today, the House passed the 2014 Farm Bill 251 to 166.
162 Republicans voted for it. 63 voted against it.
103 Democrats voted against it. 89 voted for it.

The Farm Bill contains $8.7 billion in cuts to the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), commonly known as food stamps. This translates to a $90 per month cut to beneficiaries. This cut follows November's $5 billion cut from the program, the "hunger cliff" that the Democrats themselves created.

The deal also restricts the USDA from "advertising the SNAP program through [TV], radio and billboard advertisements."

Nancy Pelosi, Steny Hoyer, and Debbie Wasserman Schultz all voted for the bill.

14 members of the Progressive Caucus voted for it: Suzanne Bonamici (OR-01), Corinne Brown (FL-05), Andre Carson (IN-07), Emanuel Cleaver (MO-05), Sam Farr (CA-20), Lois Frankel (FL-22), Marcia Fudge (OH-11), Steven Horsford (NV-04), Jared Huffman (CA-02), Dave Loebsack (IA-02), Ben Lujan (NM-03), Rick Nolan (MN-08), Bennie Thompson (MS-02), and Peter Welch (VT).

[Cassiopeia]

36. If HRC announced she drowns puppies for fun in her off time

it would be widely defended as a cool and hip thing to do by some of her supporters.

[malthaussen]

62. Kittens, however, would be right out. n/t

[ms liberty]

113. I so just heard this in Eric Idle's voice, lol! n/t

[hifiguy]

206. if she co-hosted a live-kitten barbeque with Satan himself

(a/k/a DicKKK Cheney) there are people here who would laud her for a bi-partisan act of forward-looking statesmanship.

I can come to no other conclusion based on some of the fact-free, reality-denying delusionsI have seen posted here.

[karynnj]

37. Add in propose a Republican lite Foreign policy with regards to Syria

That should be on the list. In addition, where many of the things on the list may be the ideal - ie free college, raising the minimum wage to $12, and single payer, the question is whether what she proposes significantly improves on what is in place and if it can be defended as something that could reasonably pass Congress. Not to mention their are not 89 Democratic Senators -- though that would be fantastic!

[noiretextatique]

39. Third way sucks...Ralph Nader was right

There is no difference between them and republicons.

[senz]

46. Third Way does not represent Democratic Party principles.

Don't throw the baby (true Democrats) out with the bathwater (Third Way half-Dems).

Ralph Nader was a spoiler with ill-intent.

[noiretextatique]

51. they have been running the party for far too long

And Nader was right about them. They are worse than republicons because people think they are real democrats.

[Robbins]

40. Problem is

they defend clinton no matter what.and go with the she is good and republicans are bad.

They welcome when bernie supporters are banned and say they can't wait for bernie supporters to be pruned here.

one of worst is democratsincebirth who brags about every poll favorable to her.will even post same one multiple times.

the issues alone show who the real dem is.and it sure isn't Clinton.

do i wish when we put someone on ignore that we couldn't see their posts on front page.

[SmittynMo]

42. Do ya think

these posters are actual republicants? I do. I could name a few, one in particular. But then she'd report my ass so I can get a slap on the wrist.

I'm with you. It's amazing the ignorance.

[hifiguy]

208. I suspect many are on HRH's payroll.

Paid trolls are nothing new. And I'd bet my ass that there is dark money from her campaigh behind the Cave.

[paleotn]

44. It's the cult of personality....

....they're so emotionally invested at this point, Hill could rip the head off a kitten and devour it on national TV and Hill-bots spin it as a positive.

[haikugal]

47. Those are not democrats, they're thirdway and they don't give a damn about the people.

They have theirs already, to hell with everyone else.

[TM99]

52. I have literally seen

at least two of these supporters post that very thing.

Why should they have to pay for someone else's health insurance. They like their plan and provider.

It would be ludicrous if it wasn't so disgusting.

[Enthusiast]

50. Kicked and recommended! Fucking incredible.

I am with you 100%, pinebox.

There is no excuse for not having single payer right now. It should have 100% support by Democrats.

[forest444]

54. We have the same problem in DU's Latin America forum.

People who, while claiming to be progressive, cheer at the mere hint that a far-right, race-baiting, laissez faire candidate might win an election.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110845307#post4

There are many other examples; Judi Lynn could tell you all about them.

[haikugal]

74. Thanks for the heads up forest444...it's appreciated. nt

[delrem]

139. Indeed. A couple of those posters are far beyond democratic (small 'd') politics:

they admire what HRC and crew did to destroy democracy in Honduras, are fine with HRC's bff Kissinger and what he was all about in Chile and etc, they want to undo all that's been done for the people by the Bolivarian revolution in several countries and especially in Venezuela, and if a return of the death squads accompanies it then that's fine with them. Not a downside to them as it accelerates a return to the unbounded profiteering they anticipate.

I admire Judi Lynn, being able to handle that kind of pure evil. One of the finest posters I've ever encountered on the net.

[forest444]

147. Hear, hear.

And to you as well, delrem.

[polly7]

151. Absolutely ... Judi Lynn is amazing! Tough, brilliant, and sometimes .. funny as hell. nt.

[delrem]

191. A diamond, a glorious diamond.

I can't even judge myself, my political courage and will, against the kind of courage she shows.

It's leadership, and it's more than acceptable to me.

[polly7]

193. She truly is, delrem,

and her heart is in every post she makes. I look at people like Judi-Lynn and so many others here, including yourself, and all that you bring, and thank my lucky stars I ever found this place.

[malthaussen]

61. The crazy right has chased everyone into the Democratic Party

Hence, there are many in the Party who have little, if any concern with what some are pleased to call "traditional Democratic values." But since there is no room in the GOP for anyone who doesn't wear a tin-foil hat and carry an assault rifle, what are Republicans like Mr Obama and Mrs Clinton to do? And they have many supporters. Since we are saddled with a strict two-party system, it is inevitable that many Democrats would hold opinions that are not consonant with FDR's... or even Ike's.

-- Mal

[TexasMommaWithAHat]

115. This. What you said.

nt

[Jackilope]

66. Stunts like DWS's debate schedule ...

the shoving HRC as "inevitable" and "her turn, dammit." + the cowering and cowardly side steps to the right is leaving me no other choice either. This is why Independent registration is growing. Oligarchy is like a honey badger, they don't care.

[Jack Rabbit]

71. I live in an open primary state

It will make it completely symbolic to register as an independent, even if I do it now. I'll still be able to vote for Bernie in the California primary.

However, if I decide to to that, I'll do it on January 20, 2017 as Hillary takes the oath of office.

[Jackilope]

75. Let's hope Sanders is the one taking the Oath of Office

Then we get vote in better Democratic people and get our party back on track and out of the turd way.

[Jack Rabbit]

87. Yes, let's hope

I'm not a betting man, and thankfully that is one vice that I don't have.

My heart and vote belong to Bernie. If I were a betting man, my money would be on Mrs. Clinton.

Perhaps I'm not a betting man for the same reason I don't vote against my own self interests. It keeps me honest in thought in action.

I am very hopeful, on the other hand, that win or lose, Bernie's campaign will spark an anti-establishment movement that will in time destroy the oligarchy and bring real democracy to the American people.

[davidpdx]

212. I wouldn't wait that long

If that were to happen. The only bad thing is that would lock me out of the primaries in my state as I believe our primaries are closed. I still like to vote in the state level elections. Technically, I'm only allowed to vote in federal elections (Congress and President) since I am an expat, but I told them there is a chance I could come back to the US.

[Jarqui]

68. The part that surprised me is the leap

from criticizing Hillary to being accused of hatred.

I don't hate her. I just line up with Bernie's integrity, positions and performance as a politician better. And I find her positions, behavior, etc more prone to my criticism. I do so realizing I may well have to support her in the general election.

This is a forum. It would be a very dull one if we all agreed about everything. I like Bernie better and I'm explaining why that is. I feel no hatred towards her at all.

[haikugal]

78. They're bullies and use that tactic to force people either to stop speaking out

or be baited into a hide or leaving in disgust. They don't care which...

[jeff47]

118. "Hatred" is an excuse for avoiding criticism.

Last edited Sun Nov 22, 2015, 12:03 AM - Edit history (1)

If they are just "haters" you can pretend the criticism is without substance. Thus avoiding sullying your beautiful mind with the effects of those policies.

[Jester Messiah]

70. And yet, President Trump will be everyone else's fault.

[randr]

80. Take note of the possible trolls

[Kalidurga]

81. I'm not

I could have called that list in June. The first clue was when poor people were thrown out like garbage.

[AgingAmerican]

83. Ever since the last debate

They are now going full Republican, yet they insist on calling themselves progressive and liberals.

[davidpdx]

213. No they think progressive is a dirty word

[Half-Century Man]

85. Just had one tell me Hillary was all "globally" or something.

That Bernie Sanders lacked knowledge in big world politics.

Even though the thread made no fucking sense, I got baited in twice.
I guess I'm just tired of the smears, felt the need to push back.








Never try to teach a pig to sing, it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

[FreeState]

91. Both Burnie and Hillary supporters here make me want to visit less n/t

[Autumn]

214. No one is forcing you to post here, in a protected group for supporters of Bernie Sanders

[imthevicar]

93. How Many Of Them are From

The DCCC?

[cui bono]

96. They did the same as BOGGERs.

They don't stand on principle or ethics, it's either all about personalities - which I don't think I believe that much any more since some Hillary HATERS now LOVE her - or they really are moderate Republicans.

I'm certain now that they are moderate Republicans, just like Obama. That's what he described himself as and his policies shows that to be true.

The also are doing identity politics rather than voting for policies that are in their best interest. You have a black poster telling us we should not ever criticize Obama if we want the black vote even though Hillary was worse to BLM and made a worse impression with BLM activists than Bernie, which seems that would be really insulting to PoC to me. You have women supporting Hillary even though she's a corporate hawk and no liberal. They have just thrown policy positions out the window in order to satisfy some other need of theirs, a need that has nothing to do with what is best overall for this country and its constitution. If we were supporting a more right wing candidate because he were a man that would be completely wrong. Hillary is also a nasty, offensive campaigner whose playing of the gender card is bad for feminism, but hey, whatever I guess.

But they are definitely NOT supporting Democratic Party principles and ideals by supporting a moderate Republican for the Democratic ticket. Bernie is more representative of the Democratic Party principles and ideals than Hillary could ever hope to pretend to be.

[MisterP]

101. but Black policemen were the ones expelling BLM! so they did it blackly!

that was the whopper they said when Clinton's death-penalty support was protested

[cui bono]

176. The biggest BLM exploiter outed herself as a troll via pm.

Screenshot was posted of the detailed explanation of the trolling.

[MisterP]

192. anyone else saying opponents aren't "really Black"?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7370018I

[SammyWinstonJack]

114. +1000000

[AgingAmerican]

97. A friend posted this on Facebook last night

"When she first announced the "no fly zone" right after Putin started air strikes, I said she was challenging Putin. The woman probably thinks she can win against Putin. Living in a hallucination.

What I'm seeing is a woman who learns nothing from the past. She is going to repeat the errors made with the Taliban and, how ironic is it, we've got pretty much the same players in this dangerous game as last time with two egocentric, unstable nut jobs calling the shots.

Interestingly, she doesn't mention the one faction that has had some success against ISIS and just took control of a road that is their supply route, the Kurds which has long been a thorn in the side of both Turkey and Iraq.

Also, no mention of where ISIS is getting their funding from to keep going. Read some time ago they're selling oil at bargain basement prices. Who's buying the oil? The Kochs who were trading with Iran while economic sanctions were in place? Maybe it's Halliburton that was also trading with Iran while economic sanctions were in place. Or it could be any of the multi-national corporations that no longer have any loyalty to any country. What would happen if they took down the entities funding these morons through buying their dirt cheap oil? Oops, wait, they're probably Clinton/Repub/DNC benefactors so it'll never happen.

The woman is dangerous, very, very dangerous and she must never sit in the White House."

[Enthusiast]

163. I agree.

Dangerous.

[glinda]

171. Partially because "environment and Climate Change" is not in her vocabulary.

[Enthusiast]

172. That's one reason. A good one. There are lots of others.

The world doesn't need any more dangerous at the moment. We could use some excellent judgment. Excellent judgment that isn't under the influence of big money.

[senz]

189. Well said.

[Fuddnik]

98. There is a nice restaurant and bar in the DNC HQ in Washington.

The Democratic National Club. Right around the corner from the Capitol. Not much food being served, but a lot of booze.

I was in there several times back in 2004, when I was running for Congress. Half the patrons at the bar were Republican Congressmen, sitting there drinking and laughing it up with their Democratic brethren. Or DLC brethren.

[Helen Borg]

102. Oh well: 9/11!

[Doctor_J]

103. as the candidate tries to outflank the republicans on the right, her supporters will post more and

More outrageous things. Ive also read that poor people don't want to work, and that we shouldn't have to pay for others healthcare. Free republic has opened a branch here

[TheFarseer]

106. I think many of them treat this like a football game

Many are just cheering for a letter D while ignoring policy. A strong brand like Clinton should work out just great, right?

[Populist_Prole]

178. Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner.

Being wealthy enough to be detatched from the corrosive effect of neoliberal policies has its advantages: Their issues don't cost the plutocrats any money, or them any money.

It's like boutique politics. Idle conversation. Horse race. Football game.

[hifiguy]

207. As Jerry Seinfeld once put it in the context of baseball,

They are rooting for laundry.

[pa28]

107. A valuable side effect of Bernie's run has been forcing them out into the open.

By contrasting himself with Hillary and drawing attention to her record these last few weeks Bernie is making them defend the indefensible. They don't like it, the game plan was to spend the whole primary campaign debating whether Bernie was a sexist, a racist, a gun nut or some combination of all three. Anything but Hillary's actual record and positions.

The next issue they need to be outed on is Social Security IMO. Let's see her and her supporters reconcile all of her flip-flops and equivocations on that particular subject.

[arcane1]

111. If SS gets discussed, we'll be reminded again that Bernie doesn't worship Jesus.

"He doesn't share our faith!!1"

[nyabingi]

108. Hillary and her husband both

were part of the corporate-friendly, right-wing/liberal push to move the Democratic Party towards the right and away from its core of supporters and the issues they care about.

My first presidential vote was for Bill Clinton in '92, and I've voted for Democrats (albeit holding my nose the entire way) ever since, but the leadership of the party has had a long love affair with corporate America and their insatiable quest for more profits at the expense of the middle/lower classes and their well-being. I couldn't believe that Hillary had the audacity to stand in front of everyone at the first debate and claim that she's a "progressive" - I almost threw up every meal I'd eaten that day. She will truly say anything to us because she fundamentally thinks we're stupid.

The right-wing Democrats are trying to say Bernie's too far to the left to win a general election, but I believe he stands a MUCH greater chance than Hillary because his ideals and principles are ones that will fundamentally appeal to the majority of American voters (and if he's running against Donald Trump, there will be no contest). Hillary is despised by Republicans, despised by a significant majority of Democrats, and she inspires no excitement among the electorate (the main reason Obama beat her).

Thank you for post - the Democratic Party is long overdue for some soul-searching as to its true principles, and it needs to reestablish itself as a distinct political opposite to what the Republicans want (and with the Clinton/Obama people in charge, there isn't much "opposite" there except on social issues).

[Enthusiast]

165. Nice!

[URL=.html][IMG][/IMG][/URL]

[Rosa Luxemburg]

109. A centrist in progressive clothing!

[mother earth]

136. Can you say Paid HRC supporter? Because, she's got the bucks, and that buys a lot, imho. It is

contrary to all we hold dear. We are being infiltrated or are going full on stupid, take your pick. Fuck 'em, I'll stick with Bernie.

[pinebox]

142. You said it all.

Well this Hillary supporter thinks

Defend fracking. - tons of jobs

Defend a non living wage. You're quibbling over a couple of bucks and some change?

Say single payer health care is bad. - No

Defend The Patriot Act. - No

Say that Hillary wanting to put back door encryption in our devices is fine. -No

Her college plan is fine and people should pay something. - it hAs merit and is favored by mNy who paid their own way


Defend the 8 - What 8?

A few bucks? Really? Tell that to the millions of Walmart workers who are striking and who are scrambling to get survive. That $3 is $120 a week which equals $480. That's food, groceries, rent.

Defend fracking. - tons of jobs ....ya let's poison the water supply and screw the earth. A defining green issue.

89 Dem reps who voted to gut SNAP. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/1/29/1273428/-These-89-Democrats-Voted-to-Cut-8-7-Billion-from-Food-Stamps

[artislife]

168. Glad you screen captured

This is a poster I am leary of, doesn't sound like any liberal I know.

[pinebox]

185. Mmmhhhmmm

When you defend things like fracking and literally say "a few measly bucks" you obviously are completely out of touch with the issues that millions face today. I find stuff like that incredibly offensive.

[MisterP]

141. what surprises me is how little impact they're having--that they could be emphasizing

that she's ahead and likely to win barring a real insurgency, and vaguely try and represent every "interest group" from labor (hem and haw on TPP and say it has NAFTA lessons learned) to LGBT (that was then, this is now, I had to get ahead somehow in a brutal culture and I vaguely apologize, thereby vaguely acknowledging it was on gays' backs)

but they HAVE to go full Orwell, shout sexism and racism and shoe-size privilege, and rig everything they can: probably because Sanders is there for the issues (his teeth give me nightmares, there I said it!) and that makes them defend her record and pretend she's not an opportunist

[PatrynXX]

143. It's Mitt Romney all over again

except it's on the Democratic Ticket and yall know what happened to the Fake Republican.

[Scuba]

144. Shit like this is why some of us insist the Democratic Party has become infested with Republicans.

[Gman]

146. Sorry about my earlier post

Totally missed that it was in the Sanders forum.

[SwampG8r]

195. You should be sorry about your post but not because of where you posted it

That's some sick fucking right wing thinking you posted.

And to the inevitable jury his post
Self deleted as it was is screen capped upthread

[billhicks76]

152. Biggest Hypocrites I've Ever Seen

Who else would have to make their group private because they gat called out all the time but forces us to see them come up in popular threads. They should be banished to the back page.

[artislife]

169. I never go to the greatest or latest pages, just to the forums I care about.

I don't see a lot of stuff I don't want to see. It is a beautiful experience.

[avaistheone1]

153. K&R

[RoccoR5955]

156. I am not astonished

Because they are not REAL Democrats. Yes, their election ID may have a D on the end of it, but they are really Third-Wayers who want to only "compromise" with the 1%. They start off with the proposal that they actually want, and work back from there. The right way to do it is to ask for the moon, sun and stars, when you only want a small piece of the moon. That way when you get the moon, some of the sun, and a couple of stars, you have made out ahead.
These third way DINOs, are not standing up for all of us, only the wealthiest of us.

[secondwind]

174. omg, I can't believe what I'm reading... this slavish devotion to Hillary Clinton will be our ruin..

And now Hillary is calling for ground troops??????????????

This really does it for me.. I'm done with her.

[ThePhilosopher04]

177. That's what happens when you become infatuated with an individual ...

and overlook their policy positions. Some just want to be led and assume if the candidate they like personally is for or against something, then it must be ok.

[raouldukelives]

179. And that is what they are proud to admit.

One can only imagine the things that might give them pause.

[Cosmic Kitten]

181. Hillary supporters wouldn't even be Eisenhower Republicans

?w=750

Here's a link to the actual platform.
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=25838

We are proud of and shall continue our far-reaching and sound advances in matters of basic human needs — expansion of social security — broadened coverage in unemployment insurance — improved housing — and better health protection for all our people. We are determined that our government remain warmly responsive to the urgent social and economic problems of our people.

We shall continue to seek extension and perfection of a sound social security system.

Hillary's 3r-Way cabal seeks
to destroy and privatize our
social safety net.

Enough is enough!

[hifiguy]

209. I love that graphic.

and I can't think of one thing on that list that any Turd Way/CorpoDINO supports.

Amazin', ain't it?

[rosesaylavee]

182. Election season is pretty usually crazy around here

and you do have to remember that there are, no doubt about it, paid operatives from a few different camps here on this board who are intent upon disruption. We used to wonder about it early on but I think it came out in 2008 that there really are entities who pay for that service. Not everyone on here is expressing their personal deeply held belief. Disrupting is the end game.

[Android3.14]

183. If you are an indy, then you have a task

Register as a Democrat so your vote counts in the primary, otherwise you are wasting your breath (or typing fingers).

[pinebox]

184. Depends on the state.

That would depend solely on which one lives in because some have open primaries.
Every state should have open primaries. EVERY STATE. The whole entire election system needs to be changed. Nobody should have to change their stupid party affiliation to vote for someone that they wish to vote for. All that is for is to protect the status quo. It's ironic that on this. Republican red states are way out in front of blue states.

[Android3.14]

188. Just make sure, if YOUR state doesn't have open primaries, that you register

70% of states have CLOSED Presidential primaries.

If we truly support Bernie, then we must keep reminding people of this fundamental action. We can post pro-Bernie screeds until we have carpal tunnel in our eyeballs, but unless we register in the states with closed primaries, our support doesn't mean jack shit.

Here is the list of OPEN primary states. If your state is NOT on this list, you MUST register as Democrat to support Bernie in the primaries.

Alabama
Arkansas
Arizona
Georgia
Massachusetts (All races' primaries open for "unenrolled"/unaffiliated voters only)
Michigan
Mississippi
Missouri
North Carolina
North Dakota
South Carolina
Tennessee
Vermont
Virginia
Wisconsin

[RiverLover]

194. Ohio is essentially open.

There's no way to "register" in any party here & I've been told they just ask you which party you want when you go to vote in the primary.

I'm new to the state, so I hope this is correct.

It sounds right~

Party Affiliation: Under Ohio election law, you declare your political affiliation by

requesting the ballot of a political party in a partisan primary election. If you do not

desire to affiliate with a political party in Ohio, you are considered to be an

unaffiliated voter and may vote the Official Questions & Issues Ballot, if there is one

for your precinct at the election

https://votesmart.org/elections/voter-registration/OH#.VlMjsl6baaY

[Android3.14]

196. According to Sanders' website you need to register to vote in Ohio. but not declare a party

It's what
http://voteforbernie.org/#oh
called a "semi-open primary". They say you have to register, but I couldn't figure out if you can register the same day as the primaries.

[ladyVet]

199. Nope. Open primary here. I get the D ballot, and my vote counts. nt

[Zorra]

186. The effects of the long term, blanket RW MSM propaganda brainwashing

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program is what we are seeing here.

Hundreds of RW AM radio hate jockeys, and the RW monopolization of televised and print "news" media, were inflicted upon the people of this country, for a generation. "Conservative" almost became institutionalized as synonymous with "good", and liberal almost became synonymous with "bad".

Fortunately, progressive "media crusaders" on the internet saw what was happening, and provided an outlet for truth and fact to counteract the decades long RW media blitz, and today we have a generation known as "millennials" who were not lobotomized to any significant degree by the massive long term RW MSM propaganda campaign.

Those of us of other generations who saw through the propaganda, and who were not affected by the RW media poison, are now united with millennials in an effort to help take back our country and our government from the oligarchs, and their conservative minions, by electing Bernie and other traditional Democrats to office.

President Obama nailed it perfectly when he wrote that Reagan was a "transformational" President. Midway through the Reagan presidency, conservatives calling themselves the "DLC", or Democratic Leadership Party, infiltrated and co-opted the Democratic party, which resulted in the conservative brainwashed mess of a party that we find ourselves dealing with right now. Today, the DLC is known as Third Way, or New "Democrats". These New "Democrats" serve and promote the interests of oligarchs and their massive private transnational commercial enterprises over the interests of human beings and the environment.

It is up to us to further reverse this destructive national transformation to conservatism by engaging in a sustained, massive united progressive push to prevent republican and Third Way conservatives from being elected to office, by electing traditional Democrats who understand that the interests of human beings, and our environment, are the most important issues in the world.

Electing Bernie is a primary step in this transformation of the US into a kinder, saner, better nation.

[99th_Monkey]

187. And this is "Hillary tacking to the Left", we haven't seen nothing yet.

Just wait until she starts tacking to the Right, if she's our nominee in the GE.

[MrMickeysMom]

190. AND... You also READ!

I just put another "pretender" on full ignore.

I'm pretty sure they get some personal reward from stirring up shit. I think we knew this already, but being progressive on many issues, I suppose you did what I try to do... TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES!

They CAN'T, because they HAVE ONLY ONE ISSUE... Don't let Bernie Sanders be heard, and for SURE, don't tread on he real issues, because we don't know WHAT THE FUCK we're talking about anyway.

[pinebox]

197. I am filling my ignore list

because honestly, if I wanted to fight with RWNJ's, I'd go to twitter. There isn't a whole lot of difference between them and some of the Hillary supporters that are on here. They defend the status quo like it's nobody's business.

[MrMickeysMom]

198. Yeah, "ignore" should be a good option...

Unfortunately, I've tried to make room for difference of opinions over the years on DU, but I've never had so many reasons to use it until this year.

I have much to learn about Twitter. I think I'll go review the primer soon, so I steer clear of the idiots there.

[pinebox]

201. It's easy on twitter

They offer a lot more options when it comes to dealing with the stupid. The Bernie support on twitter though is unreal.

[Divernan]

218. Agreed! 1st time since 2002 I've used Ignore function.

[Major Hogwash]

220. Me. too.

Many of the BOG members that were friends of mine talked to me every single day on the DU forum for over 6½ years.
Now, they no longer even speak to me.
As soon as Hillary announced that was running again in the spring, they stopped talking to me at all.
I had no idea most of them were going to root for Hillary . . . for no possible logical reason, other than "she is a woman".

Most of those members of the BOG were women.
They used to post meaningful comments here almost every day.
They were thoughtful, intelligent, and generally speaking, kind in their responses to other members posting at DU, for the most par.

Then, all of a sudden, almost overnight, these same women turned in to the biggest liars posting here, lying their asses off about how bad Bernie is and/or what a sainted untainted virgin Hillary is.
They constantly use disparaging language about other DU members, act mean towards others on the board, pushing members around on the forum as if they are 300-pound gorillas, and engage in conversations using a despicable, condescending tone of voice when talking to other members of DU who are Bernie supporters.
They display spoiled rotten attitudes in their posts about Bernie and Hillary whenever they get involved in threads about those 2 major Democratic candidates.

It really opened my eyes.
The jury system at DU is a ginormous failure.

[ladyVet]

200. Mostly not supporters.

Paid operatives, sick people and those who troll for fun.

I find these kind posting something, they go on ignore and stay there. I don't need to read that crap, and I don't have to.

[orpupilofnature57]

202. Since Bernie got the support of non-machinist Democrats, Independents and disellusioned Republicans

It's a jihad for a number of Hillary supporters, Democrats hash it out until June of this year .

[pinebox]

222. An update

So apparently FDR is now a socialist and it's time we apparently end all this non EDU nonsense because "And speaking of education, why the hell is it that some people assign to others the task of tending to their ignorance?".

Yup, that happened.