Sanders won the CNN poll but you must see this

[Joey Joe Joe]

http://www.emediaworld.com/politics/sanders-won-the-cnn-poll-but-you-must-see-this.html



Sanders has not only won every single poll, he’s done so by a large margin. Even more important is the fact that Sanders won all three focus group polls. This is unprecedented because a focus group is a form of scientific qualitative research that gathers undecided or uncommitted voters for the purpose of evaluating the candidates’ performance in the debates — Sanders won in the eyes of the people.

1. C-SPAN: Sanders (7.2k) |Clinton (938)
2. TIME: Sanders 60% | Clinton 12%
3. CNN: Sanders 81% | Clinton 12%
4. Drudge: Sanders 61% (126,448 votes) | Clinton 6.74% (13,925 votes)
5. Dailykos: Sanders 59% (7,970 votes) | Clinton 34% (4,659 votes)
6. Slate: Sanders 75% | Clinton 18%
7. Syracuse: Sanders 78.11% (3,190 votes) | Clinton 15.77% (644 votes)
8. Fox5: Sanders 77.35% (30,248) | Clinton 15.86% (6,204 votes)
9. MSNBC: Sanders 81% | Clinton 12%
10. Wishtv8: Sanders 77.65% | Clinton 13.15%
11. Advocate: Sanders 77% | Clinton 19%
12. Nationalreview: Sanders 558 votes | Clinton 39 votes
13. 9news: Sanders 8.9k votes | Clinton 2.2k votes
14. Wwnc: Sanders 78% | Clinton 15%
15. Philadelphia.cbslocal: Sanders 81.03% | Clinton 14.56%
16. Postonpolitics: Sanders 84% | Clinton 10%
17. AJC: Sanders +225 -20 | Clinton +62 -108
18. Controversialtimes: Sanders 84.42 | Clinton 10.39
19. Tcpalm: Sanders 74% | Clinton 18%
20. WRIC 8NEWS: Sanders 75% | Clinton 6%
21. WGY: Sanders 68% | Clinton 12%

All three focus groups declared Sanders the victor.

1. Frank Luntz Focus Group: “The participants agreed overwhelmingly that Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders was the big winner at the first Democratic debate.”
2. Fusion Focus Group: “Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders was the most popular candidate among a group of young registered Democrats responding to Tuesday’s Democratic presidential debate in Las Vegas. The panel voted 8 to 3 for Sanders against the runner-up Hillary Clinton, with one panellist saying it was a tie between the two.”
3. CNN Focus Group: “Majority of CNN Focus Group Think Sanders Won First Debate”

Time Warner Inc owns CNN.
Time Warner Inc is Hillary’s 7th biggest financial supporter.
CNN is posting all over that Hillary won the debate.
CNN’s own polls show that 81% of their viewers think Bernie won.
CNN will not even post the results of their own poll.

If this isn’t some Orwellian 1984 behavior, I don’t know what is. We need to show corporations that we’re not taking the manipulation any more. ‪

CNN, under direct supervision of its parent company TimeWarner, are turning into Fox News-style news by only providing a biased look at the current presidential election. Ignoring dozens of feedback polls that indicated Sen. Bernie Sanders won the first democratic debate by a landslide, CNN has done all it can to promote HRC and is losing the trust of the people. Sign this petition to say no to Super PACs and stand together for the truth to be told!

[rhett o rick]

1. CNN has always been a tool of the oligarchy. At least since 2000. nm

[FlatBaroque]

3. since Ted sold it to AOL

it's just more US propaganda.

[rhett o rick]

8. Spock would say it's only logical. Why would we expect a major corporation whose sole (soul)

aim in life to gain wealth, to sacrifice for the people.

This election is very important. The People are trying to stand up to the Oligarchy. If HRC wins, it will be a major set-back. But it won't kill the People's Movement.

[questionseverything]

51. cnn will not allow the full debate to be shown on bernie tv

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251685174

[cprise]

84. The corporate media closed ranks against Gore

Even with his DLC past, he was the least conservative candidate who was polling well.

This problem goes back to the late 90s, after the media got their deregulation bill from the Clintons and had gone through a bunch of mega-mergers.

The effect is more pronounced now, however. "Liberals" are now a completely separate, out-of-touch political class from the working class. They have been drinking their own corporate Third Way kool-aid too long.

[rhett o rick]

85. After the 2000 election debacle, didn't the CEO of CNN crawl to Bush and ask forgiveness

for not supporting him more?

[cprise]

86. Geez, do you have a link to that?

It would make sense, though. I think we're seeing a glimpse of what "more" looks like. It may start to look like 2003 again.

[rhett o rick]

87. I don't but will look. nm

[rhett o rick]

91. I couldn't find anything but won't give up. My search skills are not the best. nm

[azmom]

2. When we stand together and say enough

Is enough, there will be nothing we can't do.

[merrily]

6. Sounds familiar Azmom. Sounds great, too.

[Duval]

13. Standing together is part of what Bernie

meant by "revolution". I'm ready for it!!

[retrowire]

4. WELL SAID KNR

seriously, all of this is on the money.

time warner owns CNN and supports Hillary despite all information saying otherwise.

its so fucking obvious I can't believe it.

but of course deniers keep saying "those polls aren't scientific! the focus groups were corrupted!"

one question I couldn't get answered was "why would CNN corrupt a focus group to go against what they would make headlines out of the next day?"

Bernie has the majority accept it. Google analytics don't lie and the amount of twitter activity didn't lie either.

[hedda_foil]

5. How we missed the ad $$$$$ angle is beyond me.

We were gobsmacked by the uniformity of "opinion makers'" opinions vs all the data to the contrary,, but of COURSE it's true that Hillary as the Dem candidate promises them at least a billion in ad revenues. Bernie, not so much.

[wilsonbooks]

7. And now it is not just online polls.

http://mic.com/articles/126749/viewers-of-the-first-democratic-debate-thought-bernie-sanders-was-the-clear-winner

[retrowire]

10. nice find. n/t

[StevieM]

27. Here's a poll that shows Clinton winning the debate.

http://www.oann.com/dncdebate/

[Bubzer]

44. DNC... need I say more?

[StevieM]

45. The DNC did not conduct the poll. The "DNC" refers to it being a DNC debate. (eom)

[Bubzer]

48. Ahh, you're absolutely right...its ran by OANN... which is worse.

OANN is a conservative network by the way. You can find out more here: http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324392804578358743706989224

[Admiral Loinpresser]

70. I couldn't get the link to open.

I'm using Foxmozilla. Is that the problem?

[StevieM]

72. I think it might be but I am not sure.

I had no problem opening the link, and it seems like other people opened it too.

Do you have a Mac? Maybe you can use Safari. If you have a PC then maybe you can use internet explorer.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

78. I'm a dinosaur.

But I'll see what I can do.

[thesquanderer]

35. There's also this one

http://www.ijreview.com/2015/10/445621-ignore-the-media-pundits-bernie-sanders-won-the-first-democratic-debate/

also done by Google Consumer Surveys, but for a different client (with presumably some difference in question wording and possibly targeting)

[tk2kewl]

9. link says "account suspended"

[Joey Joe Joe]

23. Works for me?

[tk2kewl]

31. works now

[PatrynXX]

25. petition link

WOT says it's a bad side tried to block me from getting to it..

[Kablooie]

11. They must be scared otherwise they wouldn't bias the reports so much.

It's probably Not that they want Hillary but more that they don't want Bernie.
Everything he says goes against greedy corporations which is what all of them are.

[99th_Monkey]

18. Yep. Bernie's most gracious "Enough about those damned emails!" moment, that went totally viral

was pointedly directed at the M$M's obsession with emails, emails, email, ... all
fucking summer into the fall, while mostly ignoring both the issues and Sanders amazing
campaign.

[arcane1]

26. Bernie is a threat to that sweet Super-PAC cash n/t

[NorthCarolina]

12. Is anyone really surprised? They can't really show actual polling results

and then program the voting machines for a Clinton blowout. Who would believe it. At least if the media keeps saying that Hillary is WAY ahead regardless of the factual truth, then they can at least proceed with their vote manipulation under cover of their media outlets.

This primary selection WILL BE UGLY, and WILL BE CORRUPTED in favor of the establishment candidate(s).

[aspirant]

16. This is the problem

and we wonder why Democrats don't go after Repub state's voting machines because they do it too.

[panader0]

14. Recommended.

[CoffeeCat]

15. One more chapter...

...that illustrates that big corporations are inextricably intertwined in our political system--and that "We The People" are being pushed out of our own democracy. And they're doing this to aid Hillary. She's just as much to blame for this corruption as CNN is.

These assholes think they're so damn clever--hiding a mountain of polls that clearly show that Bernie won.

People make the point that these self-selected, Internet-based polls are not scientific. Ok, point taken. They're important and notable, but I get that they are self-selected polls. The question then becomes---Where in the hell are all of the post-debate polls? CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC and other media outlets (Bloomberg, Newsweek, Forbes, etc) ALWAYS conduct post-debate polls. They make randomized phone calls to people all over the nation and release the results--which are scientific and fair.

Those polls, for this debate--DO NOT EXIST.

They don't exist because they would echo what the self-selected polls indicate--that Bernie won. The people think that Bernie won.

Instead, they hide the win and have decided that we only need to hear from a dozen or so toe-the-line pundits who claim that Hillary won handily and that all of the other debaters are pond scum.

Again--all of this underhanded, corporatist bullshit just reinforces the notion that we are so DONE with these shenanigans and the politicians (I'm talking to you, Hillary Clinton!) who use corporations and these lie-based tactics to screw with the American people--and our elections!

So done with all of this!

[GoneFishin]

17. +1000. ^^ This ^^

[fasttense]

19. Well the media convinced most Americans that all the exit polls were wrong about the bushes

They convinced us that it was alright for a supreme court to select our president (and we had no protests).

So, I suspect convincing Americans that Hillary won when all facts point to Bernie as the winner is child's play for them. Hell they managed to convince most Americans that bombing Iran when Saudi bombed us was a smart move. So, I suspect the media will try and convince us of a lot of dumb ass stuff.

It's very similar to Venezuela. They have a socialist government but their media owned and operated by their uber rich are constantly attacking their own government and trying to ferment rebellion to put the uber rich back in power. If Bernie wins the presidency, I suspect the relationship between corporate media and the government will be very much like it is in Venezuela.

[Iwillnevergiveup]

63. "toe the line pundits"

Thanks for very succinct characterization with 2 of my favorite things..coffee, cats.

[CoffeeCat]

67. Thanks for the shout out Iwillnevergiveup!

Look forward to seeing more of your posts!

And Yessssss to coffee and cats!

😃

[raouldukelives]

20. There are those who demand democracy for all people.

And there are those with Wall St investments who choose to side with the corporations distorting our collective will.

We exist in the most democracy, the most reality, the most honesty Wall St and its minions will allow.

[Duckfan]

29. And what about those here on DU who supoort Hillary?

Do they recognize what this country would be like if she gets the nomination?

TPP would pass.
No significant Min.wage increase for working poor.
College students will continue to have debt on their shoulders.
Keystone would likely go through.
Who knows what kind of military action would occur.
And the list goes on.

Does anyone else understand they are affected by these policies, and that they are a part of this country too?

[Maedhros]

36. I'm sure they're A-OK with those things.

They are, for example, the same people who cheered on the despicable bombing of Libya and the despicable attempt to mire us in a war in Syria.

[raouldukelives]

38. Anyone with a share owns a share of the endgame.

All of the demands you listed are the demands of shareholders. It matters less what people vote for than what they crowdfund.

[WillyT]

21. HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!!

[BlueMTexpat]

22. Perhaps you need to step back and

take a deep breath before you continue with this particular conspiracy theory. You may actually be harming your candidate.

Here's one response to consider, for example: http://www.salon.com/2015/10/15/bernie_sanders_truthers_step_down_theres_no_conspiracy_to_hide_that_he_won_the_debate/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

Online polls are the worst possible measure of public opinion, except when it comes to focus groups. As Nate Silver explained in 2012, “central challenge that Internet polls face is in collecting a random sample, which is the sine qua non of a scientific survey.” The polls that Johnson cites, however, don’t even try. They’re polls that are open to anyone who wants to vote. Polls like that usually get flooded by highly motivated people who are on a mission—such as Sanders supporters—and therefore have no relationship whatsoever to what the average person is thinking.

And if you think focus groups are somehow going to give you “objective” information, consider that Trump lost the GOP debate in the Fox News focus group. Didn’t seem to do squat when it came to his poll numbers, though. It’s possible that Sanders will get a bump in the real polls, when they come out. Or not. Either way, that doesn’t mean that the pundits were somehow trying to get Sanders when they opined that Clinton had done better in the debate.
...
Far from wanting Clinton to win the debate, many pundits went in all but rooting for her to fail, hoping that would encourage Joe Biden to enter the race, creating the kind of drama that drives up ratings. In addition, if Clinton was running a weak and inconsistent campaign, that would make it more of a contest in the general election. For the horse race-obsessed mainstream media, a strong and competent Clinton is the worst possible thing, because it means for a boring election season and lower ratings. In light of all this, the best possible explanation for all the declarations that Clinton won is that it is a sincerely held opinion, albeit one that is coming from a different place—more focused on the long-term campaign and intra-party politics—than where focus group viewers are coming from.
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[Bernie Sanders is] a smart man with good ideas who has played a valuable role in this race, even if he doesn’t win the primary. He already has to overcome suspicions in mainstream media circles that he’s some kind of radical. Having his supporters running around making paranoid accusations that sound a whole lot like the kind of self-justifications that right wingers make isn’t helping him. Look, the debate itself was mostly a friendly forum between people who have more in common than not. Perhaps it’s wise for those who support different candidates, be it Sanders or Clinton, to use that as a model for how to proceed during the primary season, rather than treating each other like the enemy and tossing out paranoid, conspiratorial accusations.

I watched the full debate. Yes, I am a Clinton supporter, but I sincerely thought that she did the best job overall. Did I like all of her answers? No, I liked some of Bernie's better. I thought Bernie did very well except for his gun control and foreign policy (he was truly at a loss with Putin for a couple seconds) answers. But I thought that Bernie did an excellent job too. Both were, IMO, head and shoulders above the other candidates - each of whom is head and shoulders above ANY GOPer candidate - and show why they deserve their respective statuses at this point.

But what really matters is not who "won" based on the debate polls or any pundits' opinions or even what you think or I think. It is whether more polling will reflect that Bernie damaged Clinton's candidacy in any major way. I really don't believe that he did and that the polling will, at best for Bernie, pretty much reflect the pre-debate status quo. If anything, Bernie helped her with his wonderful comment about her email.

[dreamnightwind]

62. Bernie's goal is not to damage Hillary's campaign

but to elevate his own. He did a good job of that, many people were unfamiliar with him and liked what they heard. We have a long way to go in this primary, things are just getting started.

[BlueMTexpat]

66. True - and I respect him

very much for that.

It is VERY true that things are just getting started.

[dreamnightwind]

73. Hillary had an excellent debate

In my view she is selling policies that are much harder to sell than Bernie's (because they aren't as good for most of us), so her job was harder, if you want to look at it like that. She was obviously better prepared and more skillful in presentation and phrasing. I would say she won the debate but Bernie probably won more supporters from the debate.

I think Bernie needs to improve some of his messaging, though I find his actual policies to be just about perfect. The gun issue is mostlly false political points being used by O'Maey and Clinton, IMHO, unless your solution to the gun problem is to sue gun manufacturers when someone gets shot. Car manufacturers get sued when their defective cars cause accidents, but not when a criminal driver kills someone with a properly functioning car. So I don't see a substantive distinction betwenn the 3 candidates on guns, except Bernie is more likely to fight for what he says he will rather than just throwing out campaign planks.

Re his messaging, though, I think he needs to do a better job answering the question of "how will you have more success getting reforms through Congress than Obama did". He says he will get millions of people behind him, which is great, and he probably will, but that still doesn't explain the mechanism that brings reform. Mass protests in the streets? Phone calls? Letters? They won't listen to us, of course, they never do.

What Bernie will really do, and this is what he needs to explain, is he will fight for the correct reform up front, vigorously, rather than compromising away the right reform because it isn't politically feasible AT THE MOMENT (the fight eventually changes what is politically feasible), or supporting only the policies his corporate donors support (since he doesn't have corporate donors). What happens then, is the entire frame of debate gets changed, the real issue is discussed, we fight for it, we probably lose, we keep fighting for it, explaining why it's the right reform, and the public gets it. That's the magic of telling the truth, people actually will get it, you just have to stay with it and not expect to win the first time. When the public gets it, the oppostion can choose between giving in or being voted out of office. It's exactly what Bernie will do, and how the mechanism to reform will work, and he needs to find a way to explain that to the people when he asks for their votes.

He also needs to do a better job explaining that his reforms will often SAVE money, rather than costing money. Single payer health insurance is much cheaper. So is incarcerating less people, less military adventurism, expanding the social safety nets (the cause of much crime is people turn to crime when their needs are met in no other way, and crime and punishment are very expensive), ending the drug war saves a lot of money too.

Plenty of other ways he can improve his messaging. He's excellent on policy though, at least from my perspective I've never had the privilege of supporting someone whose policies I agree with to this extent.

[BlueMTexpat]

79. Excellent post, IMO! eom

[smokey nj]

76. That's because Bernie isn't in this for himself.

Too bad the same can't be said about Hillary. Bernie is a good and decent man who wants the best for everyone.

[BlueMTexpat]

80. What is really sad is that some

of Bernie's supporters cannot resist using any excuse whatsoever to dis Hillary.

Please. Stop. It.

Your candidate deserves much better from you.

[smokey nj]

82. First of all, this is the Sanders supporters group, so

you don't get to dictate what gets posted here. Secondly, what I wrote was the truth. Thirdly, Hillary's ssupporters have been smearing Bernie since the beginning, smearing him as racist and red baiting.Hell, y'all have even started your own discussion board to do it - so take that Bernie supporters so mean bullshit elsewhere.

[Bubzer]

24. Why oh why can I only rec once....dammit.

[840high]

37. I'll add my rec.

[Bubzer]

40. ...

[StevieM]

28. These polls are not based on scientific sampling methods. And a Frank Luntz focus group is not

a real focus group. It is designed to entertain conservative audiences.

[Bubzer]

41. Doesn't have to be based on scientific sampling methods for us to come to some obvious conclusions.

The majority of people who watched thought Bernie won. Incidentally, there were over 15 million viewers for the debate...which is a record by the way.

Also, even were we to discount the Frank Luntz focus group, you'de still have all the other polls along with the other two focus groups. Attacking a single focus group doesn't invalidate all the others.

[StevieM]

46. The problem is that different groups of people will come to different "obvious conclusions" that

make sense to them based on their pre-existing biases or differing methods of assessing performances.

Scientific sampling methods are the best way of determining who "won" the debate. I have seen two snap polls so far, one of which favored Sanders, one of which favored Clinton.

[Bubzer]

49. Except there are at least two focus groups that are credible here.

Some would discount Luntz because of conservative leanings, and I get that...but they agree with the other two which do not have that potential bias at play. Add to that all the polls and you have a very clear trend.

[Beacool]

30. Yeah, sure, it's all a media conspiracy to help nominate Hillary.

Is this the same media that has been carrying Republican water with all the Benghazi and e-mail bashing?

If there's one group of people that are not friends of the Clintons it's the media.

Some of you are twisting yourselves like pretzels in your efforts to deny that Hillary did very well in that debate and once again proved why she still is the front runner and the likely candidate to win the nomination.

[Cheese Sandwich]

32. ..

[Bubzer]

42. Cheese Sandwich's post is spot on. It's not about hillary...its about the ad dollars

The media doesn't care who wins so long as the ad dollars keep rolling in. Hillary just happens to be the candidate making the most ad buys right now, and so she's a media darling.

[StevieM]

47. He Bea!! Great to see you posting again!! (eom)

[shenmue]

33. Frank Luntz's focus group as a reliable source?

Really. Fucking really.

[Bubzer]

43. Okay, so thats one... what about the others? Attacking one doesnt invalidate the others focus groups

[Jack Rabbit]

52. And why not?

When Luntz comes away from a focus group with bad news for Republicans, he delivers it. It doesn't do his clients any good for him to tell them anything but what they need to know, even if it's not what they want to hear. Apparently, that's CNN's job.

Frank Luntz may be a scoundrel, but he is a professional scoundrel.

[Robbins]

77. People

Fox news dismisses bernie as much as other MSM.Do people especilly bernie sanders supporters really think they want bernie to be nominee and not CLinton who is the entire focus on GOP 2016 satergry?

[Jack Rabbit]

88. If I were a Republican ideologue

I would want to know who the Democrats will nominate and adjust campaign strategy appropriately. True, they have been expecting Mrs. Clinton to be the nominee and accused her of everything except causing cancer and established phony congressional investigations as needed.

A funny thing happened to Mrs. Clinton on her way to coronation. She's facing a peasants' revolt. The Democrats may actually pick Our Guy over her. They need to be ready for that, too.

Note the GOP's junkyard dog, The Donald, came out attacking Our Guy yesterday with a healthy dose of the red scare. He sounded like a more obnoxious version of Senator McCaskill, who tried the same to apply some old bottled red scare a while back and found it ineffective.

What we have here now is the establishment media and the more strategically-oriented right wing loonies reacting to Bernie's success the other night in different ways: the establishment media is trying to pretend it didn't happen, not very successfully, and the right wing loonies are looking for ways to react to having to face Senator Sanders a year from now.

[smokey nj]

89. This group is for supporters of Bernie Sanders.

Buh-bye!

[Cheap_Trick]

34. The media is owned by the rich

And Bernie scares the fuck out of them. That's why they ignored him for so long and now try to bury these results. Clinton will energize their base, Bernie will steal a lot of them.

[questionseverything]

53. cnn is trying to bury the entire debate

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251685174

[Babel_17]

39. They want the ad revenue, yup

That's a point that needs to be brought up, over and over. The victory of the most well funded candidates plays a part in the salary and bonuses of those who decide what's news.

And let's not forget the tendency of administrations to play the access game. Friendly journalists (and, granted, journalists who are feared) and news organizations get more of it on average, it seems. CNN, for example, is all too aware of this. MSNBC likely had it in mind with their hiring of Clinton daughter, Chelsea.

[sabrina 1]

50. Wow, that's not just WINNING, that's a WIPEOUT! No wonder they are acting out like

spoiled children!!

Go Bernie!!

[MoreGOPoop]

54. They will not

televise the revolution. To do so would allow the World to see how
massive our movement is and just how few they are. Then, we win.

[gerryatwork]

55. I posted one of the links...

... from here similar to this post on the Twitter pages of Wolf Blitzer and Don Lemon. It was taken down within 15 minutes. Maybe all of us should deluge the Twitter pages of everyone on CNN, who to me is the worst offender and the other networks so it turns into a "Polk a Mole" game for them trying to keep their pages under control.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

56. The Revolution will not be Televised.

The Revolution will not Be televised - By Gil Scot-Heron

On Youtube. Look it up. There will be no pictures of Whitney Young being run out of town on a rail.

The revolution will not be brought to you in four parts by Xerox, without commercial interruption.
the revolution will not go better with Coke. The Revolution will put you in the driver's seat. The revolution will be live.

[Plucketeer]

57. Thank to ourselves

for a neutral internet! And we need to be on our guard to KEEP it that way!

[HereSince1628]

58. There will be new polling results posted starting tomorrow-ish

The person with the biggest bump will soon be quite evident.

The push to swamp on-line polling and pundit opinion will be washed in a big tub of major media polling.

Whether or not it fades or holds its color will soon be quite obvious.

I can wait for those results.

[sabrina 1]

59. The goal was to take over ALL the media and turn it ALL into Fox Style Propaganda. And they did.

[lonestarnot]

65. Certainly have taken them all.

[Dont call me Shirley]

60. Kicked! Recced! And Bookmarked!

[Uncle Joe]

61. Welcome to D.U. Joey Joe Joe,

and thanks for the thread.

[emsimon33]

64. Hillary is becoming the Big Lie

This will backfire!

[retrowire]

68. BERN BABY BERN

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[Efilroft Sul]

69. The media wrote its horserace narrative long ago.

They still want a Clinton-Bush rematch.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

75. And this time they want the Bush to win. Just to be fair....

That way they can keep that whole "It's a 50/50 country" thing going.

[Efilroft Sul]

81. Yes, indeedy-do.

Flash enough dollar signs to the on-air pundits and so-called journalists, and dereliction of duty and real reporting is easily cast by the wayside.

If the revolution ever comes, I got dibs on dragging these folks out of their studios. Everyone else can do what they will with the bankers and lobbyists. As a former journalist, I want the media whores. I promise I'll treat them as fairly as their reporting history.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

83. Consider my favorite of having them awaken tied to a chair in an empty warehouse at the waterfront..

Come to think of it, that happened to Lois Lane a lot.

[Live and Learn]

71. K&R nt

[blackspade]

74. The M$M is fucking pathetic.

[d_legendary1]

90. Corporations always find ill shit about the products/services they peddle

They always have a habit of manipulating or ignoring the results altogether. A bunch of corporations sandbagging their findings should not be a surprise to anyone, especially if the person who's winning isn't in their best interest.

[Bernin4U]

92. But, but, but...

It's not scientific! It's just a bunch of kids on their parents' computer! It's just a bunch of GOPs trying to skew the results!

Haven't read thru the whole thread, but would certainly be interesting to see any media coverage of this strange phenomenon.