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Tue Jul 28, 2015, 01:16 AM

REALLY stupid question here.

Almost afraid to ask it but. . . my understanding is that Bernie is still an Independent but he's running for the Democratic Party nomination with the party's blessing. Is that right? There seems to be some disagreement as to whether Bernie is an I or a D. Anyone?

ETA: Do we list him as Bernie Sanders (I-VT) or Sen. Bernie Sanders (D-VT)?

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Reply REALLY stupid question here. (Original post)
Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 OP
99th_Monkey Jul 2015 #1
merrily Jul 2015 #16
Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #25
merrily Jul 2015 #26
Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #27
merrily Jul 2015 #28
Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #29
merrily Jul 2015 #30
Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #31
merrily Jul 2015 #32
Admiral Loinpresser Jul 2015 #38
Capt.Rocky300 Jul 2015 #2
merrily Jul 2015 #15
Cleita Jul 2015 #3
malokvale77 Jul 2015 #7
merrily Jul 2015 #14
malokvale77 Jul 2015 #18
merrily Jul 2015 #19
malokvale77 Jul 2015 #22
Cleita Jul 2015 #33
CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2015 #4
eridani Jul 2015 #6
CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2015 #8
Cleita Jul 2015 #34
SheilaT Jul 2015 #9
merrily Jul 2015 #12
SheilaT Jul 2015 #23
merrily Jul 2015 #24
merrily Jul 2015 #13
CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2015 #17
merrily Jul 2015 #20
oldandhappy Jul 2015 #5
merrily Jul 2015 #21
oldandhappy Jul 2015 #35
merrily Jul 2015 #36
merrily Jul 2015 #10
malokvale77 Jul 2015 #11
merrily Jul 2015 #37

Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)

Tue Jul 28, 2015, 01:18 AM

1. It's a good question, but I don't have the answer

 

but glad you asked so I can find out the details on this as well, hopefully.

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Response to merrily (Reply #16)

Tue Jul 28, 2015, 06:15 AM

25. So, when writing his name,

how do we do it? Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) or Sen. Bernie Sanders (D-VT)?

The article gives no guidance on that.

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #25)

Tue Jul 28, 2015, 06:27 AM

26. Context please. Where are you writing his name? Why? Who will see it?

Why do you feel you really have to put any letter after it?

Actually, never mind: This is the reality. He is a man who, for most of his life, ran as an independent because he believed that anything else would require too many compromises--and I don't mean the kind that is productive for voters. However, he is running for President as a Democrat and has been recognized as such by his state party and by the DNC. If writing about him in that connection, I would use (D) because that's how he will get ballot access. However, don't be surprised if he continues to say he is independent, small i, because he is, in the sense of not beholden. What ever support the DNC is giving anyone, other than ballot access, it's not going to Bernie. Not so far, anyway, To the contrary, the DNC has tried to raise money off his run.'

That's all I know.

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Response to merrily (Reply #26)

Tue Jul 28, 2015, 06:34 AM

27. It's a Press Release

and it's traditional to give party affiliation when speaking of or writing about a political position. I've got a question in to the Help Desk now. They "answered" me earlier by directing me to the About Bernie page, which I've already read. I put the question to them again, this time re-wording it in the hopes that it will be clearer and I can get a definitive answer.

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #27)

Tue Jul 28, 2015, 06:38 AM

28. I edited my post. Please read it again.

You are talking tradition and Bernie is not a traditional candidate. That's why people can only point you to factual info. He became a Senator as an indie, which he may not want to emphasize as he seeks the Democratic nomination as a Democrat.

Can't you say "Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders, running for the Democratic nomination for President," or some such? Forget the letter. Work around it.

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Response to merrily (Reply #28)

Tue Jul 28, 2015, 06:50 AM

29. No because I'm not writing the press release,

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I'm just editing it.

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #29)

Tue Jul 28, 2015, 06:56 AM

30. That's a shame, but either the press release will be inaccurate or it may hurt his campaign.

If you say Vermont Senator Sanders (I), it's accurate--technically-- because that's how he became Senator and how his votes are officially recorded.

However, as you may have observed from posts here, many Democrats assume he is also running for President as an indie and resent the hell out of that. Or they resent that he has not been a Dem all his life and now wants to, in their minds, take advantage of the Party to improve his own by running as a Dem. Yet, if you use (D), they may see 30 years worth of (I) info, including in media and in the Congressional Record.

Others just won't be able to wrap their heads around an indie running for POTUS as a Democrat. So, it may be your bleeding feet or his.

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Response to merrily (Reply #30)

Tue Jul 28, 2015, 07:15 AM

31. I appreciate your efforts merrily, I do

and I'm not trying to be difficult, its just that I think it's important to get it right. I'll let you know what the campaign says about it (if they answer me this time).

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #31)

Tue Jul 28, 2015, 07:24 AM

32. It is important to get it right.

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #25)

Tue Jul 28, 2015, 12:54 PM

38. He is a Democrat now.

If I understand correctly, his party affiliation is by self-identification. In the Vermont primary, his affiliation will certainly be listed as Democratic. Therefore, since he is running for a Democratic nomination, he is a Democrat by Vermont law.

Think of the Joe Lieberman analogy. Lieberman was elected to the Senate as a Democrat, but was defeated in primary one cycle (2006?). So he ran in the general as an Independent. During the election he was referred to as an Independent.

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)

Tue Jul 28, 2015, 01:20 AM

2. Not stupid at all...

I've been waiting for a definitive answer to that very question.

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)

Tue Jul 28, 2015, 01:20 AM

3. I don't know if I have the answer, but the way it was explained to me was that

since he ran as an Independent in Vermont, it kind of stays on his resume because Vermonters don't register with a party but just declare what they are. He can run as a Democrat on the Democratic ticket and declare himself as a Democrat down the line if he becomes the candidate for the general election. I know. It's still murky with me but maybe someone will come along with a clearer explanation.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #3)

Tue Jul 28, 2015, 01:59 AM

7. Not all states make one register with a party.

Texas does not have registration by party. In the 2014 midterms we had a "Libertarian LaRoucher"
running for office on the Democratic ticket.

I can't believe this is an issue with Bernie Sanders. He is more inline with Democratic principles than Hillary Clinton.

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Response to merrily (Reply #14)

Tue Jul 28, 2015, 02:31 AM

18. Very good

This shit is really pissing me off.

I'm starting to wonder why I am on "democraticunderground' anyway. This place has become so mainstream corporatist it is nauseating.

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Response to malokvale77 (Reply #18)

Tue Jul 28, 2015, 02:44 AM

19. It only seems that way.

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026592890

If DU's leftists unified and organized and strategized as much as DU's right does, it would stop seeming that way.

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Response to merrily (Reply #19)

Tue Jul 28, 2015, 02:58 AM

22. Please explain

How does the DU right organize and strategize that the left is missing.

Because I will sit here all day everyday (except when I'm at work) to counter act the bullshit.

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Response to malokvale77 (Reply #22)

Tue Jul 28, 2015, 11:04 AM

33. We can't or we wouldn't be Democrats. It's been that way since the Athenian Greeks

invented democracy 2500 years ago. The fact that the righties can organize themselves into lockstep obedience to a few is proof that they are not real Democrats in the pure sense of the word.

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)

Tue Jul 28, 2015, 01:21 AM

4. I don't know the answer either, but he needs to register as a Dem!

And pronto.

All the campaigning in the world won't do him any good if he can't get on any ballots!

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #4)

Tue Jul 28, 2015, 01:55 AM

6. How can he do that if Vermont doesn't have registration by party? n/t

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Response to eridani (Reply #6)

Tue Jul 28, 2015, 02:05 AM

8. Well then he can't do it in Vermont. n/t

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #8)

Tue Jul 28, 2015, 11:07 AM

34. Therein is the catch 22. As one of the sitting Senators of Vermont, he can't go register in another

state unless he resigns his position, it would seem. I really don't know the answer and maybe it's a question to ask him on Brunch With Bernie, if one can get through to him on Thom Hartmann's Friday show.

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Response to eridani (Reply #6)

Tue Jul 28, 2015, 02:06 AM

9. The lack of registration by party is for registering to vote.

 

Meanwhile, most office holders in that state are affiliated with one party or another. Same with other states that don't require party registration to vote. Otherwise, we'd have quite a number of Independent Senators, Congresscritters, and Governors.

Meanwhile, Bernie always caucused with the Democrats, and he is running as a Democrat.

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Response to SheilaT (Reply #9)

Tue Jul 28, 2015, 02:15 AM

12. How much more can you be affiliated with a Party than seeking its nomination for POTUS?

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Response to merrily (Reply #12)

Tue Jul 28, 2015, 04:06 AM

23. Yep.

 

You've got it.

Howard Dean was also from Vermont. He was the Democratic Governor before he decided to run for President. He would also have been registered as an independent.

People are freaking out over Bernie Sanders' being an Independent rather inappropriately.

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Response to SheilaT (Reply #23)

Tue Jul 28, 2015, 04:09 AM

24. Dean also would have been registered as a voter. You can't register as anything else in Vermont.

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Response to merrily (Reply #13)

Tue Jul 28, 2015, 02:25 AM

17. Thank you, my dear merrily! Consider me greatly illuminated now!

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #17)

Tue Jul 28, 2015, 02:46 AM

20. My pleasure. You need no illumination. You light up all of DU and, I'm sure, anywhere you are IRL.

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)

Tue Jul 28, 2015, 01:23 AM

5. He says he is a socialist.

He says he wants to run as a Dem.

He has been an Ind forever and has caucused with the Dems and has voted with the Dems.

In Vermont you do not have to declare a party to register to vote.

So it is an open question! Hope you get some interesting answers.

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Response to oldandhappy (Reply #5)

Tue Jul 28, 2015, 02:54 AM

21. He says he is a Democratic Socialist. He is running as a Dem, which is not inconsistent with

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being a Democratic Socialist.

Though some Republicans and centrists may try to stick it to him, it's not an open question.

on Bernie's ballot access while running as a Dem:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026592890

on the differences between Democratic Socialist and socialist.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12806844

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12779589

http://www.dsausa.org/

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Response to merrily (Reply #21)

Tue Jul 28, 2015, 11:49 AM

35. Thank you!

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Response to oldandhappy (Reply #35)

Tue Jul 28, 2015, 12:09 PM

36. You're most welcome.

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)

Tue Jul 28, 2015, 02:12 AM

10. List him where and why? Here's your answer for official purposes:

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)

Tue Jul 28, 2015, 02:13 AM

11. Should we make Hillary...

register as a Corporatist? Truth in advertising you know.

Is this really a problem with voters? If it is, I would much rather have Bernie run third party. I would change my affiliation immediately. There are few Dems who represent my views any more anyway.

For those that would take offense, I don't give a shit. I'm an old time democrat who doesn't like the direction of the party.

Go Bernie.

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)

Tue Jul 28, 2015, 12:17 PM

37. On the bright side, it was clearly not a really stupid question.

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