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Vattel

(9,289 posts)
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 08:19 PM Jul 2015

It's depressing to see bullshit memes about Sanders getting a foothold.

Gore would have won easily had it not been for bullshit memes about him not being truthful, memes that were pushed even by "liberal" writers for the NY Times and the Washington Post. Kerry would probably have won had he not been swift-boated. I hope the Sanders campaign doesn't get sunk by nonsense about Bernie not caring enough about the right issues. If he loses because he is too progressive for the average American voter, that is one thing. But if he loses because people WRONGLY think he isn't progressive enough on issues of race, that would be just downright sad.

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It's depressing to see bullshit memes about Sanders getting a foothold. (Original Post) Vattel Jul 2015 OP
The swiftboats should be sunk before they leave port Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2015 #1
They have now taken to posting them in "safe havens" so that if Bernie supporters come in cui bono Jul 2015 #11
In 2000 and 2004 there was no YouTube, Facebook or Twitter eridani Jul 2015 #2
Exactly. DU is the only place I am seeing this nonsense, and soon if it continues, 90% of the forum sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #13
+1 a huge bunch! Enthusiast Jul 2015 #16
^ Bernie's facebook page is excellent - TBF Jul 2015 #15
Just a few months ago, only 3% of Americans supported Bernie. Because they did not know him sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #18
Expect big money to use every trick in the book. Hopefully supporters can help beat back the think Jul 2015 #3
Don't worry, they ARE. All the money they are spending is having no affect on Bernie's amazing sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #14
I think the race issue is blown out of proportion Trajan Jul 2015 #4
There is no race issue. There is no name recognition outside the states where he has campaigned. If sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #19
+1,000,000 .... Trajan Jul 2015 #20
Everyone is spreading the Bern.... Man of Distinction Jul 2015 #21
If you're referring to the 'hair' Ts from redbubble, I wore my black one last wkend for the 4th. appalachiablue Jul 2015 #22
Good advice. I will try to ignore the BS. Vattel Jul 2015 #32
Actually Kerry did win Pharaoh Jul 2015 #5
Kerry and his people did not think so. merrily Jul 2015 #12
They would be wrong. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #17
I don't worry about Bernie losing MissDeeds Jul 2015 #6
the following is not my original work,but i think they got it right questionseverything Jul 2015 #7
I completely agree Vattel Jul 2015 #9
Well stated. Bernie is absolutely correct. I just spent a little time on another Social Media sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #23
Sadly, it's not only elitists who think that way. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #27
HRC supporters do not seem to care about "fundamental principles of liberalism." Maedhros Jul 2015 #30
I have every confidence that Sanders, who has the absolute best BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #8
Word. Phlem Jul 2015 #10
Jury Results this am, 1-6 Leave it. appalachiablue Jul 2015 #24
We can't read what's at that link. You need to copy and past the results. smokey nj Jul 2015 #25
That's what I thought I was doing. Meanwhile the alert was on cui bono's post. appalachiablue Jul 2015 #29
No problem. smokey nj Jul 2015 #31
Thanks. That alerter is clearly projecting. But I'll toast to them by reccing the OP now. cui bono Jul 2015 #33
Gore lost votes because he triangulated, chasing "independents" (Republicans) and refusing to Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #26
Bernie's message speaks volumes. udbcrzy2 Jul 2015 #28
Hillary played the race card on Obama in 2008. I was crushed ALBliberal Jul 2015 #34

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
11. They have now taken to posting them in "safe havens" so that if Bernie supporters come in
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 02:33 AM
Jul 2015

they can block them I suppose.

Pretty clear they can't take having a real discussion.

Oh, but then after an OP that is all about Sanders one person wrote a 'disclaimer' saying it wasn't about Sanders at all, it was about the voice of PoC. Yeah, right. Of course that was the same person who wrote the most vile OP DU has ever seen and another pure swiftboat OP that was complete bs just as this current one is.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
13. Exactly. DU is the only place I am seeing this nonsense, and soon if it continues, 90% of the forum
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 06:32 AM
Jul 2015

will be elsewhere where we can promote our candidate without the nonsense that goes on here.

The internet is a lot bigger now than it used to be when partisan forums were the BIG deal. That is no longer the case.

I spend most of my time online on Social Media where THOUSANDS of people get to see POSITIVE content about Bernie.

DU is small compared to the rest of the internet so it doesn't have much impact.

Let them scheme and connive if that is what they want to do. It is having ZERO impact anywhere.

Not even here. Has ONE person changed their minds about Bernie and gone over to Hillary because of the nonsense here, on the contrary, the opposite has happened.

I wouldn't place ANY importance on the few people here who are trying so hard to protect their candidate from possible defeat. The way to that would be to talk about HER but I guess there isn't much for them to say about her as she isn't saying much.

Anyhow I am thrilled and amazed at how successful Bernie is and only getting better.

TBF

(31,922 posts)
15. ^ Bernie's facebook page is excellent -
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 08:33 AM
Jul 2015

meme's every day and they all focus on substance.

I really don't believe the majority of people in this country care about just one issue. They look at the last 4 years and think "am I better off". Sadly for many who have been down-sized, jobs moved abroad, houses foreclosed on, families moving in together ... the list goes on and on. Sure the top 5% (at most) is happy. But there are a whole lot of folks out there who felt they've been left behind and that the corporate folks leading both parties are blatantly ignoring them.

To address black lives matter directly, yes things need to be done on a national level. That would include the administration that is in charge - not just potential future presidents. Cameras on every officer, reparations - I think all of that should be on the table. I'd like to hear Bernie address the subject, also Hillary, also current president Barack Obama. To only blame Bernie makes me wonder where this is coming from ...

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
18. Just a few months ago, only 3% of Americans supported Bernie. Because they did not know him
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 09:23 AM
Jul 2015

Since then as some of those people got to know him, those numbers have risen to the point where he is now a threat to the frontrunner.

He has focused his campaign on critical states and that is where people are getting to know him. He will be focusing on other parts of the country after which more people will get to know him.

It is ridiculous to be using numbers of people who have no clue who is.

All they mean is everyone knows who Hillary is, few people know who Bernie is.

Groups have formed from the AA community now and are working on introducing him to people who do not know who he is. I have no doubt that the same thing that happened in those states where he has campaigned will happen everywhere.

I remember when we were saying that he would be very popular if he ran, being told not to be ridiculous because 'only 3% support him' Lol, it feels like deja vu.

A lot of people are going to have to eat those words AGAIN.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
3. Expect big money to use every trick in the book. Hopefully supporters can help beat back the
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 08:25 PM
Jul 2015

bullshit that is used against Bernie in the days, weeks, and months to come....

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
14. Don't worry, they ARE. All the money they are spending is having no affect on Bernie's amazing
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 06:36 AM
Jul 2015

success. If anything it is making THEIR candidate look very bad.

Since that very money is going to be one of the major issues in this campaign we can USE the negative and deceptive tactics to ILLUSTRATE the poisonous and despicable way it affects our politics.

So, when a talking point becomes obvious, write about everywhere you post, on twitter, FB and in RL tell people about it, and let them know that this is what all that money is buying, an attempt to stop them from having an honest choice of who they want to be in power.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
19. There is no race issue. There is no name recognition outside the states where he has campaigned. If
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 09:29 AM
Jul 2015

low poll numbers are a race issue for someone who is virtually unknown to a particular demographic, then what was it when Bernie was at only 3% just a couple of months ago???

It was the same thing, people did not know him. Now in those states where he has been campaigning, people are getting to know him and instantely almost , those poll numbers have changed.

Same thing is going to keep happening, so ignore the attempt to turn 'no name recognition' into a 'race issue'. It is nothing of the kind. AAs who DO know about him, support him just like everyone else who gets to know him.

I really wish we could stop feeding these talking points by even mentioning them. They are intended to spread an 'impression' and when we address them in any way, we are helping to do that.

There is so much good stuff going on with Bernie's campaign that we can spend every minute online that we have just talking about that.

Ignore the negative talking points and focus on the ISSUES. That is what Bernie does, but if we fall for the distractions it won't help him at all.

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
20. +1,000,000 ....
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 10:03 AM
Jul 2015

I totally agree ... Another ridiculous wedge driven by certain supporters of a certain candidate ..

 

Man of Distinction

(109 posts)
21. Everyone is spreading the Bern....
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 11:08 AM
Jul 2015

and it's a GOOD thing...

Ordered my Bernie swag last night, and I intend to wear it once a week (decided to buy a T-shirt)

appalachiablue

(41,053 posts)
22. If you're referring to the 'hair' Ts from redbubble, I wore my black one last wkend for the 4th.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 11:59 AM
Jul 2015

In walking around a BBQ and picnic area I was so surprised and delighted when people saw it and yelled 'Berne!" and 'Yay, Bernie, alright!'. Have fine day!

Feel the Bern!

 

MissDeeds

(7,499 posts)
6. I don't worry about Bernie losing
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 08:49 PM
Jul 2015

I worry about The Machine doing whatever it takes to 'win'. There is no way whatsoever they will go down to defeat again. The gloves are going to come off and it will get ugly.

questionseverything

(9,631 posts)
7. the following is not my original work,but i think they got it right
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 08:50 PM
Jul 2015

Economic oppression is a tool of racism. But keeping people poor and unemployed creates bodies for the for profit prison industry, so those communities have been left to rot. Lifting people out of poverty through education, jobs, and access to healthcare and nutrition are FUNDAMENTAL principles of liberalism. When the hell did that change??

People are confusing cultural racism with institutional racism. You can't stop people from thinking racists thoughts, but you can ensure that no public employee, including a cop discriminates. You can end the sentencing laws--which began with the CLINTON Crime Bill--that have led to the skyrocketing of inmates. We are not talking about how the Supreme Court just shot down Three Strikes, with Hillary Clinton PERSONALLY CAMPAIGNED FOR. But we're all supposed to forget about that now?

We have to create justice through the ENTIRE SYSTEM. You can't say that it is possible to end racism by ignoring economic oppression or lack of access to jobs, education and healthcare. Only elitists would even consider that notion.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
23. Well stated. Bernie is absolutely correct. I just spent a little time on another Social Media
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 12:33 PM
Jul 2015

forum where AAs were working to get Bernie's name out to as many people as possible.

Economic justice is top priority for them they said, which is why they are supporting Bernie. Some of the comments should cause concern for Hillary though. Like a lot of other people, they remember the 2008 campaign and do not support her as 'she does not represent us'.

I have every confidence that AAs will speak for themselves. Who ARE these people who are so condescending to AAs I would like to know.

Bernie has on hurdle to cross which he stated from the beginning. And that is NAME RECOGNITION.

As we are seeing once people learn about him, listen to him and then look at his recored, they know he is the Real Deal.

I am not worried in the slightest about this as we know now how successful he has been so far, running an excellent campaign, focusing on the critical states first, gaining some recognition and SUCCESSES which will helpe get him MORE recognition and it's working beautifully.

The ONLY issue I see is that his political opponents are very, very scared, and they should be.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
27. Sadly, it's not only elitists who think that way.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 01:38 PM
Jul 2015

A lot of regular people have been fed that sort of nonsense to benefit a specific candidate who is part of the economic oppressive class and are buying into it hook, line, and sinker.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
30. HRC supporters do not seem to care about "fundamental principles of liberalism."
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 01:49 PM
Jul 2015

Hillary as a candidate is a blank canvass onto which they can project what they want her to be - culture warrior, statesperson, champion of civil rights. She dons the mantle of liberalism just as much as needed to maintain appearances.

There's a great exchange in Terrence Malick's "The Thin Red Line" where Brigadier General Quintard (John Travolta) is feeling out Lt. Col. Gordon Tall (Nick Nolte) regarding an upcoming attack on Japanese forces on Guadalcanal:

Brigadier General Quintard: You wonder why. Why do the Japs want an airfield there of all places? I guess we don't know the bigger picture, do we? If there is such a thing, what do you think?

Lt. Col. Gordon Tall: Well sir, I never asked myself that question.

Brigadier General Quintard: You're a humble man. Nobody wants that either. But you, how much do you want it?

Lt. Col. Gordon Tall: As much as I have to, sir.


I see Hillary's dedication to "fundamental principles of liberalism" to be the same as Lt. Col. Tall's desire to take the airfield: As much as she has to to win the primary.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
8. I have every confidence that Sanders, who has the absolute best
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 09:05 PM
Jul 2015

record on race of any candidate in the race, will address the issue clearly and honestly.

Check this out.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251432507

appalachiablue

(41,053 posts)
29. That's what I thought I was doing. Meanwhile the alert was on cui bono's post.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 01:49 PM
Jul 2015

I let them know just now. Alert comment about nasty, backbiting on DU, what's wrong here, catty game playing- the essence of it. Jurors comments were not many or about much, mainly 'are you joking?'. If I get time to figure out the pasting will try to repost. Sorry for the mess up.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
26. Gore lost votes because he triangulated, chasing "independents" (Republicans) and refusing to
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 01:36 PM
Jul 2015

throw even rhetorical bones to the left, leaving them to go 'meh' to him, and turning off a lot of potential voters. And then he failed to even hold the centrist Dems, with tens of thousands of Democrats crossing over to vote for Bush in Florida.

If you're going to triangulate, you sure as shooting better at least win the centrists, or you're going to lose a lot worse than if you'd just stayed true to the party base.

ALBliberal

(2,304 posts)
34. Hillary played the race card on Obama in 2008. I was crushed
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 09:57 PM
Jul 2015

Because I had always admired her so much. I think she regrets it and she and Obama moved on. I moved on and regained respect for her for her work as SOS. BUT for any Hillary supporter to turn around and suggest that Senator Sanders is racist or doesn't support people of color after what she did to Obama? That is beyond belief and I really think the AA community at large gets this. Yes I agree DU is a microcosm of the voting public and this meme will not take hold.

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