Bernie Sanders
Related: About this forumIt's depressing to see bullshit memes about Sanders getting a foothold.
Gore would have won easily had it not been for bullshit memes about him not being truthful, memes that were pushed even by "liberal" writers for the NY Times and the Washington Post. Kerry would probably have won had he not been swift-boated. I hope the Sanders campaign doesn't get sunk by nonsense about Bernie not caring enough about the right issues. If he loses because he is too progressive for the average American voter, that is one thing. But if he loses because people WRONGLY think he isn't progressive enough on issues of race, that would be just downright sad.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)they can block them I suppose.
Pretty clear they can't take having a real discussion.
Oh, but then after an OP that is all about Sanders one person wrote a 'disclaimer' saying it wasn't about Sanders at all, it was about the voice of PoC. Yeah, right. Of course that was the same person who wrote the most vile OP DU has ever seen and another pure swiftboat OP that was complete bs just as this current one is.
eridani
(51,907 posts)No smartphones either.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)will be elsewhere where we can promote our candidate without the nonsense that goes on here.
The internet is a lot bigger now than it used to be when partisan forums were the BIG deal. That is no longer the case.
I spend most of my time online on Social Media where THOUSANDS of people get to see POSITIVE content about Bernie.
DU is small compared to the rest of the internet so it doesn't have much impact.
Let them scheme and connive if that is what they want to do. It is having ZERO impact anywhere.
Not even here. Has ONE person changed their minds about Bernie and gone over to Hillary because of the nonsense here, on the contrary, the opposite has happened.
I wouldn't place ANY importance on the few people here who are trying so hard to protect their candidate from possible defeat. The way to that would be to talk about HER but I guess there isn't much for them to say about her as she isn't saying much.
Anyhow I am thrilled and amazed at how successful Bernie is and only getting better.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)TBF
(31,922 posts)meme's every day and they all focus on substance.
I really don't believe the majority of people in this country care about just one issue. They look at the last 4 years and think "am I better off". Sadly for many who have been down-sized, jobs moved abroad, houses foreclosed on, families moving in together ... the list goes on and on. Sure the top 5% (at most) is happy. But there are a whole lot of folks out there who felt they've been left behind and that the corporate folks leading both parties are blatantly ignoring them.
To address black lives matter directly, yes things need to be done on a national level. That would include the administration that is in charge - not just potential future presidents. Cameras on every officer, reparations - I think all of that should be on the table. I'd like to hear Bernie address the subject, also Hillary, also current president Barack Obama. To only blame Bernie makes me wonder where this is coming from ...
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Since then as some of those people got to know him, those numbers have risen to the point where he is now a threat to the frontrunner.
He has focused his campaign on critical states and that is where people are getting to know him. He will be focusing on other parts of the country after which more people will get to know him.
It is ridiculous to be using numbers of people who have no clue who is.
All they mean is everyone knows who Hillary is, few people know who Bernie is.
Groups have formed from the AA community now and are working on introducing him to people who do not know who he is. I have no doubt that the same thing that happened in those states where he has campaigned will happen everywhere.
I remember when we were saying that he would be very popular if he ran, being told not to be ridiculous because 'only 3% support him' Lol, it feels like deja vu.
A lot of people are going to have to eat those words AGAIN.
think
(11,641 posts)bullshit that is used against Bernie in the days, weeks, and months to come....
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)success. If anything it is making THEIR candidate look very bad.
Since that very money is going to be one of the major issues in this campaign we can USE the negative and deceptive tactics to ILLUSTRATE the poisonous and despicable way it affects our politics.
So, when a talking point becomes obvious, write about everywhere you post, on twitter, FB and in RL tell people about it, and let them know that this is what all that money is buying, an attempt to stop them from having an honest choice of who they want to be in power.
Trajan
(19,089 posts)But yeah, that would be a shame ...
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)low poll numbers are a race issue for someone who is virtually unknown to a particular demographic, then what was it when Bernie was at only 3% just a couple of months ago???
It was the same thing, people did not know him. Now in those states where he has been campaigning, people are getting to know him and instantely almost , those poll numbers have changed.
Same thing is going to keep happening, so ignore the attempt to turn 'no name recognition' into a 'race issue'. It is nothing of the kind. AAs who DO know about him, support him just like everyone else who gets to know him.
I really wish we could stop feeding these talking points by even mentioning them. They are intended to spread an 'impression' and when we address them in any way, we are helping to do that.
There is so much good stuff going on with Bernie's campaign that we can spend every minute online that we have just talking about that.
Ignore the negative talking points and focus on the ISSUES. That is what Bernie does, but if we fall for the distractions it won't help him at all.
Trajan
(19,089 posts)I totally agree ... Another ridiculous wedge driven by certain supporters of a certain candidate ..
Man of Distinction
(109 posts)and it's a GOOD thing...
Ordered my Bernie swag last night, and I intend to wear it once a week (decided to buy a T-shirt)
appalachiablue
(41,053 posts)In walking around a BBQ and picnic area I was so surprised and delighted when people saw it and yelled 'Berne!" and 'Yay, Bernie, alright!'. Have fine day!
Feel the Bern!
Vattel
(9,289 posts)Pharaoh
(8,209 posts)They stole Ohio.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)I worry about The Machine doing whatever it takes to 'win'. There is no way whatsoever they will go down to defeat again. The gloves are going to come off and it will get ugly.
questionseverything
(9,631 posts)Economic oppression is a tool of racism. But keeping people poor and unemployed creates bodies for the for profit prison industry, so those communities have been left to rot. Lifting people out of poverty through education, jobs, and access to healthcare and nutrition are FUNDAMENTAL principles of liberalism. When the hell did that change??
People are confusing cultural racism with institutional racism. You can't stop people from thinking racists thoughts, but you can ensure that no public employee, including a cop discriminates. You can end the sentencing laws--which began with the CLINTON Crime Bill--that have led to the skyrocketing of inmates. We are not talking about how the Supreme Court just shot down Three Strikes, with Hillary Clinton PERSONALLY CAMPAIGNED FOR. But we're all supposed to forget about that now?
We have to create justice through the ENTIRE SYSTEM. You can't say that it is possible to end racism by ignoring economic oppression or lack of access to jobs, education and healthcare. Only elitists would even consider that notion.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)forum where AAs were working to get Bernie's name out to as many people as possible.
Economic justice is top priority for them they said, which is why they are supporting Bernie. Some of the comments should cause concern for Hillary though. Like a lot of other people, they remember the 2008 campaign and do not support her as 'she does not represent us'.
I have every confidence that AAs will speak for themselves. Who ARE these people who are so condescending to AAs I would like to know.
Bernie has on hurdle to cross which he stated from the beginning. And that is NAME RECOGNITION.
As we are seeing once people learn about him, listen to him and then look at his recored, they know he is the Real Deal.
I am not worried in the slightest about this as we know now how successful he has been so far, running an excellent campaign, focusing on the critical states first, gaining some recognition and SUCCESSES which will helpe get him MORE recognition and it's working beautifully.
The ONLY issue I see is that his political opponents are very, very scared, and they should be.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)A lot of regular people have been fed that sort of nonsense to benefit a specific candidate who is part of the economic oppressive class and are buying into it hook, line, and sinker.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Hillary as a candidate is a blank canvass onto which they can project what they want her to be - culture warrior, statesperson, champion of civil rights. She dons the mantle of liberalism just as much as needed to maintain appearances.
There's a great exchange in Terrence Malick's "The Thin Red Line" where Brigadier General Quintard (John Travolta) is feeling out Lt. Col. Gordon Tall (Nick Nolte) regarding an upcoming attack on Japanese forces on Guadalcanal:
Lt. Col. Gordon Tall: Well sir, I never asked myself that question.
Brigadier General Quintard: You're a humble man. Nobody wants that either. But you, how much do you want it?
Lt. Col. Gordon Tall: As much as I have to, sir.
I see Hillary's dedication to "fundamental principles of liberalism" to be the same as Lt. Col. Tall's desire to take the airfield: As much as she has to to win the primary.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)record on race of any candidate in the race, will address the issue clearly and honestly.
Check this out.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251432507
appalachiablue
(41,053 posts)smokey nj
(43,853 posts)appalachiablue
(41,053 posts)I let them know just now. Alert comment about nasty, backbiting on DU, what's wrong here, catty game playing- the essence of it. Jurors comments were not many or about much, mainly 'are you joking?'. If I get time to figure out the pasting will try to repost. Sorry for the mess up.
smokey nj
(43,853 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)throw even rhetorical bones to the left, leaving them to go 'meh' to him, and turning off a lot of potential voters. And then he failed to even hold the centrist Dems, with tens of thousands of Democrats crossing over to vote for Bush in Florida.
If you're going to triangulate, you sure as shooting better at least win the centrists, or you're going to lose a lot worse than if you'd just stayed true to the party base.
udbcrzy2
(891 posts)That's something that some other candidates are truly lacking.
ALBliberal
(2,304 posts)Because I had always admired her so much. I think she regrets it and she and Obama moved on. I moved on and regained respect for her for her work as SOS. BUT for any Hillary supporter to turn around and suggest that Senator Sanders is racist or doesn't support people of color after what she did to Obama? That is beyond belief and I really think the AA community at large gets this. Yes I agree DU is a microcosm of the voting public and this meme will not take hold.