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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:21 PM

1. Thank you TM99. I guess it is time to bail out out of here.

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:22 PM

2. Thanks for your efforts TM99.

I know where we are from now on though. And you're right on every single point in your OP.

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Response to retrowire (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:39 PM

15. Thank you my friend.

 

I am sick of the bullshit. Even with the hell that is life sometimes and the real political battles that we face, I like to smile and be a peace. That is impossible here any more.

Onward to bigger, better, and greater things!

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Response to TM99 (Reply #15)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:54 PM

26. Friend! :D nt

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:23 PM

3. thanks for your hard work

very shortly i am out of here.and i hope all bernie supporters aband DU.leave it to clinton supporters who are enemy of everything progressives stand for..

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Response to Robbins (Reply #3)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 08:19 PM

159. I suspect more than they all realize

 

will leave DU.

Calling it a cesspool right now is truly being kind.

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Response to TM99 (Reply #159)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 11:37 PM

211. And yet they (admins) don't care.

Follow the money. Probably sweet DNC cash.

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Response to LiberalArkie (Reply #221)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 03:47 PM

225. Nah at least a Commodore 128.

 

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Response to Autumn Colors (Reply #218)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 03:47 PM

224. Is it possible to do this?

 

Where and how does one ask?

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Response to Autumn Colors (Reply #228)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 07:49 PM

232. Thanks! n/t

 

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:27 PM

4. they are trying to drive progressives out of our own party.

And the party will be irrelevant because of it.

Bernie is now the head of a movement, and everything the DNC does to suppress him simply builds the movement. They have nearly turned him into a martyr, and allowed him to achieve larger than life status with millions of people.

He's bigger than the Democratic Party now. And he heads a group that vastly outnumbers Third Way Democrats: progressives and independents. Twice as many of those than there are Third Wayers.

This is a really exciting time! A new party is being born, in the fight that will take place on the convention floor.

We are the future, yes. The thinkers, the lovers of justice and egalitarianism and truth and a future for all people.

Sayonara to the status quo.

The Third Way made a huge mistake by fueling Bernie's base.

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Response to grasswire (Reply #4)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:31 PM

6. Yes, they did my friend.

 

Last edited Mon Jun 6, 2016, 04:03 AM - Edit history (1)

This was never about Sanders the man for me or I suspect most of us. It is about the politics. It is about getting back to the leftist roots of economic and social justice. That he was the right man in the right moment is what fate is all about. I watched Sanders morph from a rather unassuming but obviously passionate progressive congress person into the bold, passionate, and progressive leader of a movement.

I am so proud of him and us for fighting all the way to the convention and beyond. The Democratic Party will change or it will die. This is the lesson of the cycles of history.

We are the future, yes. The thinkers, the lovers of justice and egalitarianism and truth and a future for all people.

YES! Beautifully stated, and I could not agree more!

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Response to TM99 (Reply #6)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:04 AM

48. Hear! Here! Drink a Toast to that!

 

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Response to TM99 (Reply #6)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 03:41 AM

113. Wonderful post! Thanks!

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Response to grasswire (Reply #4)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:59 AM

74. Yes, they are trying to drive progressives out of the Party and not just here.

Workers lost their labor representation and now the idea is that they should not have political representation either. They're banking on the supposed "truism" that third parties can't work in this country. They better hope they're wrong about that because people divested of any political representation whatsoever almost always eventually rise up in ways that make "polite society" very uncomfortable, to say the least. Hubris before the fall ... what hubris it takes to divest a massive percentage of the population of political representation. Very, very short sighted.

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Response to bjo59 (Reply #74)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 01:05 AM

77. Agreed.

 

The irony is that Sanders revolution is not a violent one. However, history shows us that if change does not occur and we continue down the road we are, we may unfortunately see an actual violent revolution in our near future.

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Response to grasswire (Reply #4)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 03:24 PM

147. And millions of new, young, enthusiastic Sanders supporters. I think people like

 

the ones the op describes are actually republicans but afraid of trump. Or maybe just outrageously sexist. Face it, if Hillary was running against Romney or some mainstream republican, she would lose, probably badly. And the party will see no appreciable gains in congress, thanks to their hatred of Sanders supporters. The right wing "dems" should thank their lucky stars for trump. Best of luck to them building a viable party without liberals or young voters.

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:29 PM

5. Thank you for all you have done

But this is the micro of the macro, and that's why I'm still here. Team Hill here is announcing the official policy of Dem Leadership now- the GOP and their money is welcome in, the rest of us, out!

I think a lot of people were hoping we could retake the party from the neos. We did our best.

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Response to Hydra (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:33 PM

8. I may be done banging my head against the neoliberal walls here

 

but I will never rest.

I have been fighting against injustice since I was a kid. What I saw in Jesse Jackson and his Rainbow Coalition, I once more see again in Sanders and his revolution.

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Response to TM99 (Reply #8)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:05 PM

179. I didn't even know you were a host. So, all my thanks for your hard work.

AND your great comments above.

I campaigned for Jesse Jackson in Cincinnati in 1984. I met Jesse very briefly at Lunken Airport, when his plane stopped there to refuel, yes at that small old airport. He and a few of his staff and I and a few other local campaigners had coffee for, oh maybe 45 minutes. I will never forget it. And I will never forget his magnetism at a huge rally in downtown Cincinnati... I worked hard for him and he won the county!!

Bernie has the same thing....

Once JPR has their new format, I'll be there..

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Response to pangaia (Reply #179)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:09 PM

181. 1988 was my first campaign for Jesse Jackson.

 

I was in Ohio at the time going to college.

I so wish he would have come out strongly as an endorser for Sanders. I really think that was a missed opportunity that he will later regret if either Trump or Clinton become president.

Great to know. See you there!

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Response to TM99 (Reply #181)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:13 PM

183. Jackson has always been a very complicated fellow..


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Response to pangaia (Reply #183)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:21 PM

186. Yes, he has! lol

 

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:32 PM

7. This is coming for a lot of us. I won't be sad and I won't say goodbye, I'll see you at home

where we belong.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #7)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:34 PM

10. Now you are just going to make me cry!

 

You have put up with a lot of my passionate anger. I have gotten myself into trouble with the bullies and the sycophants more times than I can count.

And no it is never goodbye. Sometimes we just need a new home. And we have found one. Hell, we are making one!

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Response to TM99 (Reply #10)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:39 PM

14. Yeah we are making a home. Just so you know, your passionate anger is my joy.

Now go home and get ready, we got more family coming over. Soon.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #14)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:53 PM

24. Thanks!

 

Yes, we do!

Heading to the test site as we speak!

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Response to TM99 (Reply #24)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:53 PM

25. I'll be over in the morning

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Response to Autumn (Reply #25)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 11:02 PM

31. I'm newsjunkie over there.

New and just finding my way around. Look forward to some constructive debate and ideas!

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Response to floppyboo (Reply #31)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 11:07 PM

35. Awesome, I'm the same old me. I still get a little lost on the format but I'm

liking what I see on the new version we are testing.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #25)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:36 AM

134. Hi Autumn, I'm over on our new home also but haven't seen the...

 

...new test site. Could you PM that to me?

Thanks.

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Response to TM99 (Reply #10)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:26 AM

62. +1

...and thank you for doing the work you have done.

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Response to glinda (Reply #62)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:32 AM

66. Always my pleasure!

 

Thank y'all for being some of the most amazing liberals and progressives I have ever seen. That is what I love about the coalitions that have developed around Sanders. Frankly, we are just some amazing people. And modest too!

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:33 PM

9. Thanks for all you've done! We are an amazing group.

As soon as she is annointed, I'm out of here and will see everyone over at JPR.

What has been amazing to me is to see the same things we used to fight against while Dubya was president are now ok here on a progressive site.



ps - do you know the name of the episode of House of Cards? I do want to watch.

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Response to jillan (Reply #9)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:38 PM

12. We are an amazing group of progressives.

 

We have been maligned, insulted, kicked, bullied, lied about, and frankly abused. No more!

And I definitely agree. I see the same type of behavior I witness with my MBA classmates during the GW administration as I see demonstrated here with the Clinton supporters. This how I know they are truly conservatives.

I believe the episode was #11 in Season 4.

Thanks!

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Response to Post removed (Reply #112)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 04:02 AM

114. Yes. There is nothing "underground" about supporting Hillary Clinton.

You can't get more establishment than that.



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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:37 PM

11. Thank you, TM99!

This group has been a haven for true progressives....I look forward to seeing you on JPR!!

Choie

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Response to choie (Reply #11)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 08:25 PM

160. Yes, it has Choie.

 

A respite from the storm, and there are and will be more.

See you there!

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:39 PM

13. Thank you OP

The establishments of both parties (not the entire parties) are wings
of the Corporatist/Militarist overlords. Using social issues to
convince the masses into thinking that there are differences.

Paul Wellstone used to say, "The differences make a difference." This is
true when comparing actual liberalism to actual conservatism. But not
when comparing the establishments of Corporatist/Militarist Party #1a
and Corporatist/Militarist Party #1b.

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Response to deepestblue (Reply #13)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:41 PM

16. Paul Wellstone is one of my heroes

 

and if that man was alive today, he would be on a holy tirade against the Clinton Brock Machine as we have witnessed it.

No more manufactured consent. No more red team/blue team. It is now us (99%) versus them (1%) and those on the right AND the left that serve that beast.

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Response to TM99 (Reply #16)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:47 PM

20. Wellstone

If he were around today, I have zero doubt that he would be passionately barnstorming the country on behalf of Bernie.

Or even on a Sanders/Wellstone or Wellstone/Sanders ticket.

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Response to deepestblue (Reply #20)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:51 PM

22. Yes, he would have.

 

And it would have been a beautiful site.

But at least we have other powerful voices from West to Turner to Grijalva to Sarrandon.

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Response to deepestblue (Reply #20)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:28 AM

64. Oh gosh yes.

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:42 PM

17. Thank you.

I've been a member here for a long time and a lurker for even longer. It's painful to think about leaving, but leave I will in the next few weeks

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Response to Liberal Jesus Freak (Reply #17)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:45 PM

19. I found DU through Bartcop after the SCOTUS coup.

 

I never posted much and the email address I signed up under died when I left Earthlink DSL.

I rejoined and finally started posting. DU used to be great, no thanks to Skinner, but rather in spite of him. Great posters who wrote intelligent and powerful OP's against the most vile injustices and greedy conservatism. Most of the voices have been silences, purged, or simply left on their own accord.

We now have a place where some of them are once more speaking out. That is my new home!

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Response to TM99 (Reply #19)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:51 AM

71. DU may be the largest online Group for

discussing politics and for information relevant to our interests but no longer does it bear any resemblance to it's name. The recent allowing of harassment of individuals, bannings and exiles has changed the temperament of this site. But perhaps all along it was a place that served a purpose that served "other" individuals by being able to report the pulse of a community and the experiment has gone badly since the rift in the Party is painfully large enough to drop a continent off of. Asking one to sacrifice and suck it up when they see species dying, people drinking poisoned water, massive homelessness and suffering is not an option for some.
I want to thank you for your hard work of past and encourage and support your hard work of the future.

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Response to glinda (Reply #71)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 01:47 AM

87. Thank you!

 

That is the worst. That a candidate as flawed and as bad as Clinton is has been considered to be the 'belle of the ball'. She represents and stands for things that most on the left have fought against for so long.

And yes, I agree. Life is too short personally and now too short for us all apparently to just deal with this greed disguised as incrementalism and warmongering as pragmatism.

As I am preparing to go, I cleaned up my Ignore list. Then I refreshed my browser. It was like a shovel breaking a water pipe watching all of the vermin scuttle out. Let 'em have it.

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Response to TM99 (Reply #19)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:29 PM

189. In most cases those who have been purged or just left are

with us in our new home.

DUes lose - our gain.

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Response to jwirr (Reply #189)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:31 PM

190. I am so thankful for that.

 

There are still a few I would love us to find or hope will finally join us there. Will Pitt is one, and I hope H2OMan will come by as well.

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Response to TM99 (Reply #190)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 10:57 PM

207. Yes.

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:43 PM

18. See ya on the other side :)

Thank you for your service here as well as at JPR. ONWARD AND UPWARD!

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Response to dorkzilla (Reply #18)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:02 AM

47. What a perfect video and song!

 

Thank you!

I love knowing you are at JPR.

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Response to TM99 (Reply #47)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:05 AM

49. Lol, foul mouth and all!

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Response to dorkzilla (Reply #49)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:08 AM

52. Hell my swearing has gotten me

 

more hides than I care to admit here!

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Response to TM99 (Reply #52)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:10 AM

53. I love the real freedom we have there

I mean I can actually debate the merits of certain words and only get a slight hinee slappin' from some moderators.

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Response to dorkzilla (Reply #53)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:12 AM

55. Isn't that the truth!

 

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Response to Post removed (Reply #97)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:46 AM

102. Oh I do indeed.

 

They insult left and right and spew some of the most vicious bile at Sanders and his supporters, some downright anti-Semitic, but then feign innocence if it is thrown back at them or her. Like Clinton, they really were expecting this to be a cakewalk. Not anymore it ain't!

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Response to Post removed (Reply #97)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 03:10 AM

109. Perhaps if you had called her...

a **you know what** in a nice looking outfit, that complimented her skin tone...

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Response to Contrary1 (Reply #109)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 03:18 AM

110. Ha!! The thing is it's wasn't about HER it was about someone else who works for her.

It's the word...can't say the word, too powerful and disrespectful and on an on. It's like Berkley and the freedom of speech movement never happened around here. Word police. Fuck them!

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Response to haikugal (Reply #110)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 05:50 AM

120. Ha, so then....

See you next Tuesday?

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Response to Post removed (Reply #97)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 06:03 AM

121. THAT is my favorite word evah

And I use it with relish. And ketchup.

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Response to dorkzilla (Reply #121)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 04:41 PM

148. It is used openly and frequently in Australia and New Zealand with no shame or shaming.

It IS just a word.

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #148)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 05:10 PM

154. Yep! England and Ireland too!

Summers of my formative years were spent there, learning to appreciate the world outside the US. I also learned to smoke and drink and call people of both sexes c--t. No one bats an eye.

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Response to dorkzilla (Reply #154)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 05:32 PM

155. Yep.

It IS just a word, one that is used frequently in other countries.
Unfortunately, I live in the USA, and know better than to use that word in front of my wife...no matter HOW mad I get....
and I'm a Big Boy with and athletic background,
but so is my wife. She reacts badly to that word.

I love Jim Jefferies, but can't watch him while she is within hearing range.
Jefferies is one of the funniest comedians around, but he IS from Australia, and uses the "C" work a lot.


http://jimjefferies.com/

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #155)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 06:08 PM

156. So does Ricky Gervais

Funny, I had to help my husband get over his aversion to that word! He still doesn't use it but he doesn't turn red and cringe when I say it.

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #155)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 08:31 PM

161. My SO uses the word constantly.

 

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Response to TM99 (Reply #161)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:41 PM

192. You guys are making me remember 1972 - after we learned

we lost we sat around listening to a song that had only the word SHIT in it. It expressed our feeling well.

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Response to jwirr (Reply #192)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:45 PM

195. I was but a wee lad

 

but I know history.

Cycles repeat. Hopefully this time, it will be in our favor.

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Response to TM99 (Reply #195)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:56 PM

197. Yes, the AP call is just another attempt to suppress the vote

tomorrow. I hope Bernie voters are all too smart to fall for it and still go vote.

Very dirty.

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Response to jwirr (Reply #197)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:58 PM

199. I hope so too.

 

But most are just not a politically savvy as those that post on sites like this.

If voter suppression didn't work, no one would try to do it.

This entire primary has been one dirty trick after another. Fucking disgusting!

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Response to TM99 (Reply #199)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 10:14 PM

203. Yup. Time for a revolution.

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:49 PM

21. I look here for Bernie news but (except for this last one) I post on that other place.

 

The one where real progressives go.

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Response to Peregrine Took (Reply #21)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:52 PM

23. I might get some news here

 

and then again I may not need to as JPR 2.0 comes online.

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:57 PM

27. Thank you for your hard work! Go Bernie.......Go Supporters...........a Revolution!

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Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #27)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 08:31 PM

162. It is always my pleasure!

 

Thank you!

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:58 PM

28. I will be along very shortly. I'm taking my $ me. Not a lot but everything helps.

I'm sure the good ppl at JPR can put it to better use. The thought of corporate boot lickers receiving my hard earned money is distressing

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #28)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 11:01 PM

30. I will let my star lapse here.

 

If I read anything here, I will block every ad.

I just wish I could get Salmon Enchanted Evening to bring the LOLcats to JPR.

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Response to TM99 (Reply #30)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 11:06 PM

33. That would be fantastic.

I'm going to call my bank and cancel my recurrent payment.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #33)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:45 PM

193. I am waiting on that one until after tomorrow.

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 11:01 PM

29. WHAT is JPR?

 

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Response to SheilaT (Reply #29)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:08 AM

51. A pro-Bernie site

Created by former DUers in memory of a late, loved, and much lamented member of our community- jackpineradicals.org

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Response to dorkzilla (Reply #51)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:14 AM

56. Really, we are even more than that.

 

We are a pro progressive site. Real leftists are welcome there from Greens to socialists to independents to Democrats. We are anti-neoliberalism. We are anti-New Dems. We are anti-DINO's. We are anti-corporatists.

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Response to TM99 (Reply #56)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:23 AM

91. We are the world...

We are the children...

Oh, sorry...

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Response to cui bono (Reply #91)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:31 AM

93. That made me laugh!

 



Though it always does take a new generation to move this forward.

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Response to TM99 (Reply #93)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:35 AM

96. Good! We all need a laugh.

I agree with your OP wholeheartedly. I had to stop reading when you started talking about House of Cards though, since I have yet to watch it.

I haven't completely decided whether I'm going to flame out or just stop coming around, but it's getting really tiring dealing with the asstrolls who resemble teabaggers and they've turned it up to 11 ever since Skinner decided democracy isn't really that important.

I'll see you elsewhere...


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Response to cui bono (Reply #96)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:42 AM

100. I should add a spoiler alert.

 

The season is done so I spaced. I will add that.

I won't give them the satisfaction of a flame out. This is not a GBCW. This is a post of thanks for those who are real, honorable, intelligent, and true progressives left here.

You better believe you will!

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Response to cui bono (Reply #96)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:46 AM

137. Fuck 'em, girlfriend

They ain't worth a flameout, they're not worth expending any energy over. Put all your energy into adding, as you certainly already do, positive energy into a fledgling political movement.

The only movement they'll be having will be sitting on the loo.

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Response to dorkzilla (Reply #51)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:05 AM

131. Thank you.

 

I've heard of the site, been there once or twice, but not joined. I may reconsider.

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Response to SheilaT (Reply #131)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:42 AM

136. The user interface is a wee bit dodgy but they're rolling out an easier-to-use version

It was odd getting used to it, but the people on there are the best so I kept at it and I'm glad I did. All the interesting, informative and funny posts are the highlight of my day. I feel like I have a virtual family over there. They're informed, irreverent and very supportive people.

Rumor has it that we're about ~2 weeks away from the upgrade.

Hope to see you over there!

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Response to dorkzilla (Reply #136)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 08:32 PM

163. The new site is looking great.

 

I suspect that time-frame is accurate.

I am certain many will be very very pleased.

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 11:05 PM

32. TM99

I'm quite new her and don't really know who's who. After reading this, I wish I had been here for much, much longer. I also feel like you do about the H. C. people and especially the wonderful man: Bernie Sanders. Like many other Bernie supporters, I had never intended to vote for her. I don't care what she promises, I don't trust her nor do I believe anything she says. I count myself very lucky to be here now to experience Bernie's, and our, revolution. I'm 64 yrs. old and might never see this again. I hope no one minds if I come along to JPR. Thanks for being here TM99.

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Response to janlea (Reply #32)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 11:07 PM

34. I'm sure they welcome all Bernie supporters

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #34)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 11:09 PM

36. We welcome all progressives

 

and leftists. We don't care what party you support or have voted for.

Currently we are endorsing Sanders, but after he enters the White House we will shift towards support for others in the revolution.

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Response to TM99 (Reply #36)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 11:11 PM

38. I thought as much!

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Response to janlea (Reply #32)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 11:10 PM

37. Yes, please come find us.

 

You are most welcome there.

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Response to janlea (Reply #32)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:54 AM

72. Hi! welcome. I am around your age and see you over there!

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Response to janlea (Reply #32)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 06:48 AM

122. Hey -

come on over there! (I'm 65).

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Response to janlea (Reply #32)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 01:56 PM

141. You would be welcomed, janlea. nt

 

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 11:29 PM

39. Love you man...see you in paradise!

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Response to artislife (Reply #39)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 11:46 PM

41. Thanks!

 

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 11:43 PM

40. You've added a lot to this place, TM99

 

I know we got off to a rough start, but eventually we realized we're 100% on the same side.

I'm going to try to stick it out until DU anoints Hill, at which point there won't be much left to say. For the next few days, though, I hope we can get as much information out there as possible. Information should be shared widely for the last remaining primaries. Every vote counts and DU has a lot of readers.

You mentioned that you're a psychologist. I saw a movie today about a dysfunctional society, a dystopia, and realized at some point in the film that it was starting to remind me of aspects of DU. Then it finally hit that there are unhealthy elements to this place.

See you in a bit at JPR.

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Response to senz (Reply #40)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 11:51 PM

43. It was a blip between you and I

 

and I think it was more a miscommunication than anything else.

And you are right. Our society is very dysfunctional. It probably always will be but each generation will deal with a new version of that dysfunction. They must figure out a solution. What saddens me is that books I read and teachers I studied with decades now ago correctly predicted the rise of pathological narcissism as acceptable in our culture today.

DU reflects a war that is going on between that which is healthy and that which is not. How could we not have gotten sucked into it and had some conflict? Dysfunctional families and other 'fields' engender the same.

I am glad that we saw through it and do realize that we are on the same side and always were.

Stay as long as you need to. I stayed longer than I initially planned for the same reasons. But now with JPR 2.0 in the works, I want to devote time I save by not posting here to making there the best place possible. That requires some work, responsibility, and a little extra free time. And gods know I don't have a lot of that!

Thanks! See you very soon as well.

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Response to TM99 (Reply #43)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 01:20 AM

83. This rise of pathological narcissism becoming (or has become) the norm in American society

is so visible everywhere. Both theorists and clinicians have long warned that the more widespread narcissism becomes, the more of a toxic effect it has on non-narcissists, transforming many non-narcissists into narcissists themselves (and plunging the rest of us into depression, perhaps!). Very good idea to remove oneself the toxins of such environments!

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Response to bjo59 (Reply #83)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 01:24 AM

85. The first book I read on the topic

 

is Narcissism by Alexander Lowen. He wrote this in the late 1960's into the early 1970's and warned very much about it.

And yes, we recognize something called a 'field effect'. Spend time around narcissists long enough and any latent narcissism will manifest and if not, you will start feeling and acting badly due to their toxic influence. Those who have grown up in families with one or more parents or siblings with personality disorders knows that damage that occurs until you can get away.

But where do we go when it is taking over our society? The scariest thing is the recognition that I have now that when narcissists are around sociopaths, then it is all over. Things go from bad to horrific very quickly. When that has happened through out history cultures and societies have fallen, genocides have occurred, and wars have been started.

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 11:46 PM

42. Going too.

I can't really post there yet and it is damned slow to load so I can only read a little but it is better than being here these days.

I live in Kansas. I am used to people disagreeing with me. It never bothers me all that much because I am used to it. I can spend an entire day going round and round with someone and keep my cool. That is because most people will not treat you like scum just because you disagree. I have never had a right winger here come up to me after I lose something and call me a loser. Only once has someone denied me their hand for a shake after and interview (on TV that was great). There is rarely any taunting except from the most disgusting teabaggers. THOSE people you can always count on to act the way we are being treated here by the other side, and I do mean OTHER side. While there is not one single thing that HRH stands for (that I can even believe that she stands for or maybe she does just for now even if she did mean it, kinda or sorta) she consorts with the worst people who have ever crossed paths with our government and the people that support her are calling us losers and acting all pretentious?

As I said, I can take losing because it happens almost every time here in my state. I can take being friends or at least be nice to those who disagree with me but I will not stand to be treated like I have seen others treated over the last few days here. It has not happened to me or if it has I have not seen it. I only hid people who had nothing to say but hateful, untruthful crap because they were not productive and really, I would can them in real life so why take it here? They will never be off that list because there was not reason to ever read their stuff again. If a site is so full of that many people who are people I would never ever even consider being around IRL then why stay?

I will come back and read some things, it is a great site for getting news and if you can stay off the political forums and just read the Latest Page without reading comments you can be informed better than anywhere else I have ever found. In all these years I have had one hide and that was in 2004, one post this year went to a jury and was not hidden but it is time for me to find a new favorite home place before I risk becoming like them. It is getting too hard to control myself these days. I simply cannot stand the attitude. If this is a shade of what is to come I think I may just tune out for good.

Just to be clear to those who read this and think it is funny. We, or at least I am not leaving because we are sore losers we are leaving because every thing we have been fighting for cannot ever happen if the attitudes expressed here are allowed to run this country. We don't hate anyone but you obviously do otherwise you would never act the way you are acting now. Today did it for me.

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Response to MuseRider (Reply #42)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 11:57 PM

45. So very well said!

 

Yes, I am not leaving in defeat or anger. Hell I am leaving in victory and in joy!

DU is MySpace circa 2005 just before Facebook took off. DU and DailyKos are not long for this new age where decentralized social media like Facebook and Twitter allow instant communication instead of the slowness of forums. And when we want to be on forums, damn it, we want to be someplace where we are respected, feel safe to communicate, and can engage with like minds. And if we are debating against each other, it has to be without the bullying that has taken over DU this election season. If I want to debate a conservative, I will do so at DI. And there I find they are more polite, respectful, and honorable even if we totally disagree on so many things.

JPR is in the process of moving to our next version. I can't tell you how many times daily I see our programmer/admins working on the speed and caching issues. They are tireless in their efforts to make something great. And that is what I and so many others want, another place that is great for progressives and leftists.

Check us out again really soon!

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Response to TM99 (Reply #45)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:22 AM

59. I try to get over there

every day, I just can't always get on. So lovely to be back in a place where if you don't agree you can talk about it and not be called names or lied about.

I hate what has happened here. I always donate and have always appreciated the site but it is so out of control now I can't stand it.

Like you, most of us are leaving with our joy intact, we are leaving because just feeling good about our candidate makes you a target for verbal abuse. What we have is a path for victory but not for us, for all people. I refuse to read abuse for that anymore.

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Response to MuseRider (Reply #59)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:30 AM

65. Give us time.

 

And drop me a PM here or there if you are having problems. I will connect with Admin and see what we need to do to get such things fixed permanently.

I experienced abuse as a kid. My mother, no matter how much I loved her and still do, is an alcoholic. Thankfully she is now a recovery one. I often stay longer than I should trying to 'help' others and can get hyper-responsible at times.

There is so much coming with JPR that I want that time I waste here arguing with bullies and abusers to spent there building something wonderful.

Even an old dog like me can still re-learn a thing or two!

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Response to TM99 (Reply #65)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 08:57 PM

177. I got in today

and posted to you on one of your threads. Thank you! It is still slow but was faster today so YAY! Waiting patiently

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Response to MuseRider (Reply #177)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:13 PM

182. Woohoo!

 

Great news. You did a name change there right?

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Response to TM99 (Reply #182)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 10:21 PM

205. A very small one,

I should probably do a bigger change but I am not really afraid. I have always loved DU but if it is over it is over, and I am certain there are people going over there to see what they can use to get us banned, it is over. It would be a shame and sad for me but it is what it is and I am certain I would get over it.

I don't figure I was ever that disruptive that admin would make it a priority but one never knows these days. It takes little to make an infraction here.

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Response to MuseRider (Reply #205)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 01:07 AM

215. Oh, you certainly don't need to change it

 

if you don't want to do so.

I kept my same name. It is the one I use on political sites, Facebook & Twitter.

Fuck 'em if they get that petty. I certainly hope that they would never consider doing such a thing.

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Response to TM99 (Reply #45)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:59 AM

73. What is DI?

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Response to glinda (Reply #73)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 01:00 AM

75. DI = Discussionist.

 

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Response to TM99 (Reply #75)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:21 AM

90. Thanks. Hadn't been to that one.

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Response to glinda (Reply #90)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:39 AM

98. It is also owned and 'operated' by Skinner.

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Response to cui bono (Reply #98)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 10:21 PM

204. Yup.

 

Sometimes I like to debate conservatives, just not those that claim to be Democrats!

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Response to cui bono (Reply #98)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 01:40 AM

217. I think I had signed up for it long ago. Guess I will drop that one

since I never go there anyways. Funny info. ha.

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Response to MuseRider (Reply #42)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:32 AM

94. +a brazillion!!!

The other side has become very Palinesque, and I don't mean Michael. Ugly, mean and just plain stupid.

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 11:56 PM

44. Excellent Rant and Honest Analysis

 

For some reason I haven't actually known you long here (but then, I've always been bad with names) even so I feel like I've known you for all my life, as close friends & kindred spirits.. I've enjoyed your posts and engaging with you immensely.

The hypocrisy has been predictable and continues to challenge my patience beyond measure. It's virtually impossible to manage to skim through their inane headers, let alone read what these people post, despite the fact I have so many on ignore. That list has grown exponentially since the primary began.. taking a vacation myself.

Don't know if I'll be writing it off completely. There are a few I take pleasure reading that probably won't be moving on, for instance H2OMan is someone I love reading.

I am anxiously awaiting the upgrade of the other site as I find it a bit clunky for me at the moment.. I hope it's soon!

Dude!


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Response to 2banon (Reply #44)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:01 AM

46. Thank you!

 

I feel that way about so many of y'all as well.

My patience is gone. I have never tolerated fools or bullies gladly. I will rack up more hides than I should if I keep engaging these fools and bullies here. And for what purpose? When I answered that question, I knew it was time to move on.

I have been reading DU since it began. I am sure I will pop in periodically to read it in the future. It is just no longer a community that I would stand to be a part of. Besides, like you I need to read H2OMan and Sunday's just aren't the same without Salmon. Maybe in times, they will find us.

It is clunky and it is getting so much better. Hell even DU is on its third iteration. These things take time. And I would rather devote it to building a new progressive community that fighting conservatives here to save this one.

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Response to TM99 (Reply #46)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:07 AM

50. Good point about time and work..

 

my long learning curve tests my patience too! ROFL.

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:11 AM

54. Thank you for all you have done.

 

Much appreciated!

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Response to peace13 (Reply #54)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:15 AM

57. No, thank you!

 

Y'all are why I came, why I stayed, and why I now go off to make something every better!

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Response to TM99 (Reply #57)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:27 PM

144. Thank you, TM99.

 

I have always enjoyed your posts, and will see you other there.

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:21 AM

58. Thanks TM99

I've lurked here for many years but only recently joined. I've been a dem all my life.

After seeing the lies circulated about Sanders civil rights background ("photo-gate", "I-never-saw-him-gate") and seeing the ugly echo chamber on other supposedly liberal websites, I knew we were in trouble. Someone somewhere made progressives the enemy of the dem party instead of recognizing that centrist policies didnt go far enough as to be effective (especially with a GOP congress). It might've been adequate in 2008 after 8 years of GWB but 2016 is a different game altogether. Hillary was made to look like Obama's heir apparent, no questions asked.

HRC may very well poach many voters from the GOP which could offset any BoBs but only time will tell. This election has me very disheartened.

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Response to lbp (Reply #58)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:25 AM

61. I am more awake than ever now.

 

HRC may still the Democratic nomination. I am prepared for that. No, BoB's may not be enough to stop her from becoming President. I don't want her or Trump. I am preparing for both of those possibilities.

This site is for them. Skinner is for her. I still know that Sanders is not done. Not next Tuesday, not the following, and not until the convention is done!

So I want to be around those that still share my faith, my hope, and my vision for a future that is better than the one I am looking towards. I don't want my nieces and nephews to pay the prices that I have.

The revolution did not start with Sanders, and it won't end with him either.

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Response to TM99 (Reply #61)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:37 PM

146. Very nicely said.

 

The revolution definitely won't end with Sanders. I am so inspired by the energy my granddaughters and their friends are putting into his campaign. They are 23, graduated from ECU last year, and each has a $30,000 debt. Of course they are internet savvy and know what's going on.

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:25 AM

60. Thank you for your service, TM99. I know you've been a great host at personal sacrifice.

That is a beautiful post, too. I am not sure if I agree with how you once saw DU. Then again, I did not even know about the site's existence when Dimson was in office, so I cannot speak to that, except through what I have read after the fact.

In any case, I know you will be great, regardless of where you do or do not post. Wishing you many wonderful things.

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Response to merrily (Reply #60)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:27 AM

63. Thank you so much Merrily.

 

You have been my conscience at times when I wanted to just go nuts on the bullies and the bastards!

I know the truth of DU and have for some time. That's why I said in spite of it, there was a strong anti-war voice here in those years. There were many strong progressives then that yes, began to be silenced and ousted year after year after year.

I will see you at the new homestead! You are someone I don't want to ever say a permanent good bye to!

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Response to TM99 (Reply #63)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:36 AM

68. Sadly, I seem to be addicted to political posting, so you will probably never have to say a

permanent good bye to me. Even if I change boards, other boards may allow me to tell you where I am going.

I had no idea I served as your conscience at times. I'm glad I didn't know. It's too much responsibility! Besides, you are so much wiser than I. If I told you my date of birth, you'd get the truth of that.

I will miss your DU posts. Thank goodness I know where to find you.

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Response to merrily (Reply #68)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 01:18 AM

82. Good!

 

It was never your responsibility, but you always seen to see when I was going off the rails and PM'ed me sometimes just in the nick of time!

Hell if people are starting to think I am wise, I know I am getting way too old!

Yup, you know where to find me.

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Response to TM99 (Reply #82)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 01:22 AM

84. Yeah. I do that with many. The first few times, some people "yelled" at me that I

was threatening them or censoring them--as if just4 alerting on their posts if that were the case would not have been much easier for me. Anyway, that was early on. Now, they just thank me. Sometimes, the more things change, the more they stay the same. Sometimes, it's just

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Response to merrily (Reply #84)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 01:26 AM

86. Well I never minded.

 

I took it for the compassion and caring nudge that it always was.

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Response to TM99 (Reply #86)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:01 AM

88. That's because you're smarter than the averr-rage sweetheart.


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Response to merrily (Reply #88)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:01 AM

89. Well definitely smarter than the

 

average bear.

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:34 AM

67. thank you, tm99 ~



love prevails - and so does truth.

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Response to hopemountain (Reply #67)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 08:34 PM

164. Honestly, I was beginning to forget

 

about love prevailing with all the childish, rude, and banal behavior here.

Y'all have reminded me yet again that it does and it simply must!

Thank you.

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:47 AM

69. 100% spot on and eloquent. It is clear that DU is not the future.

Sexist and racist attacks on Sanders supporters are let stand. Hillary fanatics get amnesty like clockwork. The Brockian lies are ubiquitous.

Worst of all, what now passes as acceptable in a Democratic candidate, just a few years ago was almost unanimously slammed by DU members--when republicans did something similar. Now, somehow, when Her Majesty does it, it's presidential or it doesn't matter or it caused no harm.

The Democratic party and DU are supporting a candidate under criminal investigation by the FBI! I can't even imagine how that insanity has come to pass.

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Response to BillZBubb (Reply #69)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 01:05 AM

78. DU has become unrecognizable. It's quite sad. n/t

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:47 AM

70. Beautifully said.

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Response to bjo59 (Reply #70)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 08:35 PM

165. Thanks!

 

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 01:02 AM

76. I don't blame you

DU has gotten crazy lately

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Response to jpmonk91 (Reply #76)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 01:07 AM

80. And it is foolish to think it will be changing.

 

I think the masks have fallen off. The truth has been revealed. The establishment is now the enemy of progressives as it is conservative corporatists with just a dash of very moderate social justice thrown in to keep us voting for them.

Not me. Not any more. I haven't voted for a Clinton yet.

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 01:06 AM

79. Oh my gosh...how horrible

 

When the host has to leave the ugly is too deep. I too am tired of being called a BSer or whatever other ugly name they can call us.

We will miss you TM...very very much.

I was a lurker for a very long time and joined recently because I so disliked what I saw in other places. I have left most of my regular haunts and was hoping this would be my permanent place.

I am going to have to stay around for after the GE - just so to giggle when what we have predicted comes true.

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Response to Silver_Witch (Reply #79)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 01:09 AM

81. Bigger and better things await us all.

 

I still have faith in Sanders and his revolution. Despite the naysayers, this is not over Tuesday, next Tuesday, and perhaps not even at the convention.

Come find us at JPR. We are trying to build a new home for progressives and liberal leftists for the future.

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:29 AM

92. Wonderful OP TM99!!

I think you wrote this for a lot of us who are moving on. I come here less and less and find that I don't miss the place, the abuse or the drama.

Thanks for everything and I'll see you at home. The revolution continues....

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Response to haikugal (Reply #92)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:33 AM

95. Thank you!

 

They are going to miss us. Who will they fight with, troll, and suck the lifeforce from?

On to much better things!

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:40 AM

99. Thank you!

 

I will be joining you at JPR on the 17th. Until then, I intend to stay here and try to counter some of the bullshit.

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Response to Maedhros (Reply #99)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:44 AM

101. All the power to you my friend.

 

I have tried but the flack is just not worth it for me anymore. Besides my fan club will likely alert on this thread given the way they act here lately.

We'll leave the lights on!

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:53 AM

103. Good rant

I always felt it was a huge mistake to try and run this place without moderators. Politeness became a liability, over aggressiveness got its payoff. I remember the rationales, ... but that's all in the past.

I wish you a safe journey as you go "to sail beyond the sunset". Hope to see you around there.

Come, my friends,
'T is not too late to seek a newer world.
Push off, and sitting well in order smite
The sounding furrows; for my purpose holds
To sail beyond the sunset, and the baths
Of all the western stars, until I die.
It may be that the gulfs will wash us down:
It may be we shall touch the Happy Isles,
And see the great Achilles, whom we knew.
Tho' much is taken, much abides; and tho'
We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.


http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems-and-poets/poems/detail/45392

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Response to Babel_17 (Reply #103)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:56 AM

104. I have always preferred sites that use a moderation system.

 

I have had my fair share of hides pushing back against bullies and the bullshit.

Y'all know where to find me.

Always have I loved Tennyson. Thank you for that!

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Response to TM99 (Reply #104)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:58 AM

106. My pleasure, though I was only really aware of the phrase, and had to google to find the poem itself

Serendipity struck, and so I quoted from the result.

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Response to TM99 (Reply #104)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 07:56 AM

129. I prefer mods too -

although I will say I have experienced bullying by one mod at a particular site (not this one) and that is the primary reason I have kept a foot in the door here.

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Response to TBF (Reply #129)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:57 PM

198. Lord knows mods are not perfect

 

but at least there are options with communicating with people chosen to support the site and its membership.

Hope things get worked out for you.

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Response to TM99 (Reply #198)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 09:42 AM

219. Still checking PM's here & saw this reply -

It will get worked out - I will make it work one way or another. It's a better site. See you there. Solidarity.

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Response to TBF (Reply #219)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 03:48 PM

226. Well PM me there

 

or here (will check for at least another week) if you need any assistance.

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Response to Babel_17 (Reply #103)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:57 AM

105. Oh that brought tears to my eyes...so true and beautiful! Thanks for that Babel_17.....

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Response to haikugal (Reply #105)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 03:08 AM

108. At this point in my life ...

the spirit of that poem does come to mind, from time to time. And of course you're very welcome, I'm glad you liked it.

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 03:04 AM

107. Nothing keeping me here...

I campaigned for Bobby Kennedy, shook his hand. He truly cared about the inequality, the injustice...it wasn't just campaigning bullshit for him. The man cared.

I simply cannot be a part of what the Democratic party has become.

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Response to Contrary1 (Reply #107)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 03:20 AM

111. The first president I met who cared like

 

that was Jimmy Carter when I worked for Habitat for Humanity as a teen. Then I became a part of the Rainbow Coalition and supported Jesse Jackson.

I have been waiting for another good Democratic candidate like these three for decades now. Finally Sanders stepped up. Seeing how he and us have been treated, I agree with you.

Thank you!

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 04:39 AM

115. Thanks, TM99 for all your good work. And thanks for all the loyal

posters who enlightened the many lurkers here who read but don't post. The time has come to carry on in other venues. Your input has been much appreciated.

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Response to bbgrunt (Reply #115)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 04:42 AM

116. Thanks friend.

 

I did what I could here and stood up to the bullies and bullshit. Too many of hides show that sad truth. And I don't like losing my temper like I have here with some. Why continue with such stress and misery? Better things, better people, and a better site lie elsewhere.

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 05:09 AM

117. Many thanks for all you do TM99.

The future is now and we are it.
Peace.
LT

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Response to lasttrip (Reply #117)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 05:17 AM

118. Fantastic tune!

 

And yes, I love the Grateful Dead too!

Hell this thread should evolve into a one with great songs about revolution, hope for the future, and all those things we are fighting for with Sanders and the revolution!

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Response to TM99 (Reply #118)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 05:24 AM

119. I knew you were kind.

Some acoustic for you.

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Response to lasttrip (Reply #117)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 10:47 PM

206. OMG! I was there for that performance--mud and all! Thanks for the memories.

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Response to bbgrunt (Reply #206)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 01:15 PM

222. Alpine shows were great!

Peace.
LT

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 06:51 AM

123. K&R

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #123)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 08:35 PM

166. Thanks Scuba!

 

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 07:21 AM

124. Beautifully stated. Thank you.

 

I agree.

If I log out, and look at GD-P without my ignore list, I feel nothing but revulsion. The ugliness, the sophistry - did you know that Bernie and Hillary are really quite alike and we are just overly invested in the campaign? - I don't think I can be at DU if Bernie is not the nominee. Or be a Democrat, if Hillary is what Democrats consider a great candidate. So, if Hillary is the nominee, I am out of DU and out of the Democratic Party. I will vote down-ticket, but, seeing how DWS blocks progressives here in Florida, I have no hope that the party will do anything but slide more and more to the right, greased by money and greed.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #124)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 08:38 PM

167. It is revolting.

 

I still have the Hillary group trashed, and I am certain they are discussing this thread like the mean girls that they are.

Hell one stellar example of the Clinton crew sent me such a kind going away PM --

Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out! Bye bye!! Run away now to your safe space!!!!


Thanks for the reminder, beaglelover, of why it is time to leave.

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 07:25 AM

125. Thanks for the reference to House of Cards...

I keep telling my husband who hasn't seen the show that I swear it seems like it's loosely based on the Clintons. There's a yuge part of the collective who may decide they still need to have the experience of continuing the status quo, which of course won't work. They haven't woken up. Yet. See you at JPR!

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Response to findrskeep (Reply #125)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 08:39 PM

168. When we watch it, we definitely think the same.

 

Of course it does because it is a show about a political machine and ruthless and vile lengths to which some will go in order to fulfill their political ambitions, no matter the cost.

See you there!

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 07:39 AM

126. Thank you for trying..

I know the frustration must be daunting..



I'm sure our (Bernie supporters & independent thinking liberals) paths will cross again..

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Response to disillusioned73 (Reply #126)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 08:40 PM

169. It was totally worth it.

 

I have fought bigotry and injustice for much of my life both for myself and for others.

I will never give up the battle. Sometimes you just have to move to a better vantage point to continue to war.

That they shall.

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 07:42 AM

127. thank you TM99

you have written a spot on statement.

to the "not rich" hc supporters,you are just as fucked as the rest

of us,keeping the same corporatist neoliberals to do more damage.

good luck to everyone.

Now,to the future!!!

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Response to wendylaroux (Reply #127)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 08:42 PM

170. Thank you!

 

A recent study determined conclusively that neoliberalism has failed. Yet so many still support it and the damage it will continue to cause.

We all must fight against it on the left no matter what our party affiliation.

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 07:45 AM

128. I'll be checking out of this place soon too

I came here as a refugee from dailykos (member since 2006) when they went full propaganda and started shutting down Bernie folks. If I can abandon the place I considered my home on the internet for a decade, why would I stick around here with the same dynamic? I won't. I will not vote for Clinton under any circumstances. If you put a gun to my head and told me I had to vote for Clinton or Trump, I'd just let you shoot me right then.

I'll be hanging out mostly at caucus99percent.com (which is similar to the jack pine radicals site, but for dailykos refugees instead of DU refugees). Now that I think about it, those 2 sites need to communicate. They're the same political segment from the 2 different sites.

Thanks to all you Bernie folks here. You're good people fighting the good fight.

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Response to pengu (Reply #128)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 08:43 PM

171. Thanks pengu.

 

You are very welcome there.

I am going to go check out www.caucus99percent.com. I appreciate the referral there as well. DailyKos and DU are no longer home to progressives and liberals.

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 08:21 AM

130. thanks for all you have done and contributed, TM...we'll all find a spot to land...

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Response to islandmkl (Reply #130)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 08:48 PM

172. You know, we Sanders supporters

 

have great taste in music.

Great song, fitting farewell. Thanks.

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:12 AM

132. From Day One Hillary Planned on Winning the Nomination Without the Progressive Wing

of the Democratic Party.

She skipped NetRoots Nation Convention.

She skipped the Moveon.Org Forum.

("Thank you, Bernie, for showing up")

Team Hillary apparently underrated the Left. It turns out the Progressives are more involved, enthusiastic, determined and vocal than than she anticipated.

The Political Revolution will move onward...




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Response to gordyfl (Reply #132)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 04:49 PM

150. Hillary has an established pattern of very poor judgement.

Shunning The Left is just one instance.

I cringe to think of her and her capacity for very poor judgement sitting in the Oval Office.

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #150)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 04:54 PM

151. She (and the Party) don't shun the Left because they have poor judgement,

 

they shun the Left because they don't want us to have a voice or to move our policies forward.

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Response to Maedhros (Reply #151)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 08:50 PM

173. Neoliberals fear the left

 

because we shine a light on the facts that they are NOT liberals but rather just center right conservatives.

Incrementalism is lip-service so we fall in line and vote for them. I didn't in the 1990's and I won't now.

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:33 AM

133. Thank you

for all that you've done here at DU. I've been here since 2005 and I've been a Democrat since the early 70s. After watching the lies, distortions and mean spirited venom hurled at us during this campaign there is no way to have any meaningful conversations here anymore. There are so many horrible things that have been said that I can't forget them. Even in the height of battle during a primary some of the things that were said and pushed are just unforgivable. I've actually had more civil conversations with Republicans than some of the "Democrats" here at DU. The fact that so many Hillary supporters have flip flopped on principles that have long been a part of the Democratic Party is just staggering to see.

As a feminist since the early 70s I've cringed as I watched Hillary supporters use the term sexism as a weapon to silence others. I was also very angry at the lies that were pushed about Sanders supporters being racist. The people who did that are not people I want to associate with at any level. So I too will make the transition to JPR because I don't support what the Party has become. That's pretty sad considering I've been a registered Democrat since the 1970s. And what's even sadder is that the Hillary people here would just tell me don't let the door hit you on the way out. People who have a win at all cost mindset are so wrapped up in winning that they don't see that they are burning down everything around them. And when they do notice it they aren't even honest enough with themselves to admit that they may have gone too far. They will instead blame everyone else but themselves. I will stay here long enough to pm some of the people I respect to let them know that I'm leaving but then I'm gone too.

EDIT: My thanks goes out to all of the Sanders supporters here at DU. You make me proud.

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Response to pmorlan1 (Reply #133)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 08:53 PM

174. Yes, I agree completely.

 

I knew I would not be able to support Clinton after her racist 2008 campaign against Obama. I didn't expect to see a candidate like Sanders jump in, but damn, was I happy when he did.

The level of mean girl, vile, bullying, and childishly obnoxious behavior here has truly been stunning. Fighting back against it so often leads us to their level. Sometimes I fell into that trap. Well no more. They want us gone. Then so be it, we are gone.

Find us at JPR please. Yours is a voice that should continue to speak out.

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Response to TM99 (Reply #174)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 08:57 PM

176. Thanks

Back at you. I am under the name noretreatnosurrender at JPR.

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:37 AM

135. I understand. Thank you for your service here.

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Response to Hiraeth (Reply #135)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 08:54 PM

175. My pleasure!

 

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 10:16 AM

138. I am in agreement

with you 100%. I read you last "hide" and I too would be picking up my bags and moving on. The ignorance of most people here has been way over the top, including the jury decisions.

I'll see ya at JPR when 2.0 is up and running. I looked at the site the other day, and it is definitely not user friendly yet.

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Response to SmittynMo (Reply #138)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:15 PM

184. I have allowed myself to get too many hides.

 

I know the deck is stacked. I know I have a fan club. Hell I expect this thread to be juried.

I just don't suffer fools and bullies gladly. But hey I guess an angry black man can only be that way if he supports Clinton and not Sanders.

JPR grows on you and it isn't as complicated as it seems...more counter-intuitive. And we are making some great changes. Soon.

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 10:25 AM

139. K and R

Spot on assessment of DU.

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Response to panader0 (Reply #139)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:20 PM

185. Sad but true unfortunately.

 

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Response to cyberpj (Reply #140)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:21 PM

187. Thanks River.

 

Indeed it does!

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:05 PM

142. This isn't goodbye...

....it's a "See you over there"!

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Response to Bjornsdotter (Reply #142)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:22 PM

188. Hell yes!

 

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:15 PM

143. Thanks and hugs

 

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Reply #143)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:33 PM

191. Thank you!

 

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:31 PM

145. Thanks TM99. See you at JPR. nt

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Response to Live and Learn (Reply #145)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:45 PM

194. You bet! n/t

 

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 04:45 PM

149. DURec....and thank you.

I am bva22, and I approve the above message, every single word.

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #149)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:59 PM

200. Thanks!

 

That means a lot. I have always valued your posts.

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 05:03 PM

152. Thank you

We will all meet again.

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Response to felix_numinous (Reply #152)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:59 PM

201. We shall indeed!

 

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 05:03 PM

153. K&R

Thanks for the work you put into this great group.

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Response to mvd (Reply #153)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 10:00 PM

202. My pleasure!

 

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 06:27 PM

157. See you in the Jackpines, TM.

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Response to Zorra (Reply #157)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 11:32 PM

208. Absolutely!

 

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 07:12 PM

158. Worth kicking so others get a chance to read it

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Response to Babel_17 (Reply #158)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 11:33 PM

209. Thanks!

 

Great song and an even greater band.

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:04 PM

178. The Revolution begins

What the residents of Camp Weathervane is that the problems facing America and not even being acknowledged by eith Trump or Clinton. Our plan remains the same regardless of who is inaugurated on January; push for that which needs to be done to be done. We must take it into our own hands now because the political system to too corrupt to produce an honest, reliable leader. We are the People. We claim the world for ourselves. No corporation has any rights that we do not give it. We will not abide by any dicisiobn of any panel of unappointed corporate shysters. We will not recognize the results of any election where some citizens are barred from the polls, legally or illegally. If you accuse of being democrats who advocate mob rule, I say: Damn straight we are democrats advocating mob rule; this mob can rule better than elites can.

Good luck, TM99. See you at JPR.

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Response to Jack Rabbit (Reply #178)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 01:05 AM

214. Very well said, & I agree.

 

See you there friend!

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Response to Jack Rabbit (Reply #178)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 01:29 AM

216. +10,000 nt

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:05 PM

180. Yes, especially with the false victory call using the SDs. See

you at JPR.

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:52 PM

196. Not so much "low information", more often than not

 

willfully ignorant.

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Response to JEB (Reply #196)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 11:34 PM

210. Sadly, most Americans

 

are one or the other.

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 11:43 PM

212. See ya there TM99.. It's getting harder to check in here daily eom

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Response to Arazi (Reply #212)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 12:33 AM

213. Indeed.

 

Today takes the cake.

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Response to TM99 (Reply #213)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 10:39 AM

220. Could you go for 20 before you leave?

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #220)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 03:46 PM

223. I would rather not.

 

But thanks for asking.

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 04:37 PM

227. I'll add my good-bye note here (I won't make it an OP)

 

I refuse to watch the Hillary-Trump Reality TV Show, directed by Bill Clinton.

What we are seeing is Reality TV, directed by Bill Clinton, who talked with Donald Trump prior to Trump's entering the race and reportedly encouraged him to get into it. Bill and Donny are working together to elect Hillary.

It looks like we really do have a Trump-Clinton race, so I'm going to try to develop new hobbies and give up on following presidential politics. I hate reality TV, and I'm convinced that's all a Clinton-Trump race is -- a reality TV show that ends with Hillary in the White House.

The more outrageous Trump is, the more he pushes people, who 2 years ago would have said they would NEVER vote for Hillary, into voting for her in the fall. It's the only way she can plausibly win, so that's the theater show Bill and Donald are producing.

I'm also convinced that the powers that rig the voting machines will do so on Hillary's behalf. She's the Establishment choice, by far. She's the one who will keep the Military Industrial Complex and Wall Street rolling along as usual, lining the pockets of the rich and powerful. The outcome is not in doubt.

I'm so certain of my cynical views that if Hillary wins the FBI primary and actually becomes the nominee, it won't be worth paying attention anymore.

The primary has also been disheartening. I see an ugly racial split in the Democrats which makes me so very sad.

I no longer believe in the Rainbow Coalition.

Neither does Jesse Jackson, apparently. He couldn't be bothered to endorse and vocally support Bernie, one of the three white officeholders who endorsed him for both his presidential runs.

I voted for Jesse Jackson twice, in '84 and '88. I'm disappointed he was a no-show in 2016. He should have been out there defending Bernie against charges that he is a racist, or a newbie to the cause of civil rights.

So much disdain by black people toward 'white progs' on Twitter has really been a wake-up call for me, for several months now. So much gleefulness that the white guy from the white state has been taught a lesson, and white progs given a good slap. When did white progressives become the enemy?

So much contempt for Occupy Wall Street and their outrage over millions of homes stolen by banks via mortgage fraud, dismissed as 'white people's problems.' Ditto for people upset about drowning in student loan debt -- just 'white people's problems.'

Leaders of the Congressional Black Caucus completely mischaracterized Bernie's record of support for civil rights. It's fine to endorse a different candidate, but to call Bernie a 'new friend' when he has a 20+year history of 100% ratings from the NAACP is real deceit.

A few tweets from Bernie supporters providing links to his civil rights record are described as attacks, as if whites aren't allowed to converse with blacks on Twitter. All nasty comments about Hillary are attributed to Bernie fans, when a mere 30 seconds of reading the profile of the tweeter shows it's from a Trump supporter. People can write articles about the tweets they've received, completely mis-attributing the source, and get them published in the Washington Post.

The Hillary Democratic Party will make sure that the banksters steal homes from brown, black and white people equally. That's all they stand for, now. Identity politics wins.

I'm gloomy and depressed. We can only make progress if we can find a way to work together and fight for progress for everyone. I don't see it happening today.

Farewell to DU and the Democratic Party. Thank you to TM99 and other group hosts.

The struggle continues.

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Response to Dems to Win (Reply #227)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 07:48 PM

231. Fantastic post!

 

I agree with so much of what you write here.

When I saw the first posts being made from white Clinton supporters right after Sanders entered counting the number of 'colored people' at his rallies, I knew that the machine was willing yet again to do anything to win.

It fucking disgusted me and still does.

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Response to TM99 (Original post)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 07:17 PM

229. Awsome post, TM99! See you over there!

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Response to Dont call me Shirley (Reply #229)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 07:46 PM

230. That you will!

 

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