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Shemp Howard

(889 posts)
Wed May 25, 2016, 01:42 PM May 2016

Here's a convention hypothetical for you. Your opinion?

Suppose that after the CA primary, Hillary either has the majority of the pledged delegates, or is very close. Then, for whatever reason, Hillary drops out before the convention starts.

Who would you then find acceptable as the nominee? Multiple answers are acceptable, even preferred. For me, it would be Bernie, then Al Gore (so dreaming is allowed too).

I'm posting this now because of the latest Hillary email report. Maybe my hypothetical won't be so hypothetical soon. If that's the case, the DNC would need to be very careful about who gets the nod.

Here's a convention hypothetical for you. Your opinion? (Original Post) Shemp Howard May 2016 OP
Bernie all the way RobertEarl May 2016 #1
It's impossible for her to get the required 2383 Pledged Delegates going into the convention. in_cog_ni_to May 2016 #2
Wait, what? But the media says she only needs 90 more to clinch. Bernin4U May 2016 #7
That's to clinch WITH her pledged super delegates. ThirdWayToTheHighway May 2016 #11
Exactly. But SD's are never "clinched". Bernin4U May 2016 #12
She needs 612 more pledged delegates to hit the magic number; there are 781 available* Samantha May 2016 #19
Bernie. Then Biden. jillan May 2016 #3
Not Biden. Not anyone too closely associated with the Obama Administration. winter is coming May 2016 #4
No Joe! Plucketeer May 2016 #5
No, thanks. Bernie's done the hard work and IMO has shown his competence winter is coming May 2016 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author silvershadow May 2016 #8
Will anyone here -not- say "Bernie"? Bernin4U May 2016 #9
Definitely Bernie he's the only one left in the race and mrr303am May 2016 #10
Bernie Pastiche423 May 2016 #13
Only Bernie deepestblue May 2016 #14
I'm Speculating here... 2banon May 2016 #15
Only Bernie. Accept no substitutes. ladyVet May 2016 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author Autumn Colors May 2016 #17
only bernie hopemountain May 2016 #18


(13,685 posts)
1. Bernie all the way
Wed May 25, 2016, 01:54 PM
May 2016

People, get ready,

This rollercoaster ride ain't over yet. Pretty much all down on hill from this point.


(41,600 posts)
2. It's impossible for her to get the required 2383 Pledged Delegates going into the convention.
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:12 PM
May 2016

The ONLY way she wins the nomination is with Super Delegate votes.They would have to vote for a candidate who is LOSING TO TRUMP in the polls, over a candidate who is beating Trump in the polls by 15 points!

If she's indicted, which is HIGHLY LIKELY, Bernie should be the nominee. They will either, insanely, run a nominee who is under FBI INDICTMENT or make her step down (wisely), but no one ever said the corrupt Democratic Party isn't insane or is wise! I could see them letting her run while Lynch decides whether she will indict or not. That's how corrupt the party has become.



(812 posts)
7. Wait, what? But the media says she only needs 90 more to clinch.
Wed May 25, 2016, 03:58 PM
May 2016

You know, that "math" we keep hearing about.

So even if Bernie were to take 80% of the remaining pledged delegates, and finish with over 200 more than she, it still wouldn't matter.


(812 posts)
12. Exactly. But SD's are never "clinched".
Thu May 26, 2016, 01:59 PM
May 2016

They can say whatever they want today, then say the exact opposite tomorrow. None of it matters until the day they cast their vote.

You can plan to get married, get engaged, plan for the wedding, etc. But none of that makes you married. Only completing the ceremony successfully makes you married.

Seems a big chunk of the public (largely thanks to the press) doesn't understand the difference.


(9,314 posts)
19. She needs 612 more pledged delegates to hit the magic number; there are 781 available*
Sat May 28, 2016, 02:31 AM
May 2016

She would have to grab 95 percent of those to become the presumed nominee (without super-delegates). The networks are saying they are going to call the election for her September 7 after NJ reports but before California does. This is outrageous. I think I know why - the mention of Gore's name reminded me of something.

Once the networks declare a winner, if the other candidate starts contesting it, that other candidate is immediately called out as a sore loser. Remember the Election 2000 debacle? That is what I think will happen on September 7 if the networks follow up with their threat.

But think about it. What authority do networks have to declare a winner? None. They can have opinions but no authority attaches. So buckle up and think if this happens how we should respond if the networks follow through and then start calling Bernie a sore loser if he objects....


*These are the numbers Steve Kornacki presented a few days ago (MSNBC). He said she will not hit the magic number before the convention.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
4. Not Biden. Not anyone too closely associated with the Obama Administration.
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:39 PM
May 2016

If Clinton's not in the picture by the convention, it will almost certainly be because the server investigation has blown up in her face. That's not going to reflect well on anyone who might have known what she was doing at the time.

I think if the Party goes with anyone other than Bernie, we'll be shooting ourselves in the foot in the GE. It would be different if he were still in the race, but doing poorly. He's still drawing crowds and bringing in money. He's still winning states. I fully expect the Party will try to slot someone else into Hillary's shoes, but it's a Bad Idea.



(12,882 posts)
5. No Joe!
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:48 PM
May 2016

Joe's showed his hand a bit TOO boldly of late - and that hand has "ESTABLISHMENT!" written all over it. What about Warren??? She's already eviscerating Trump with his own words. Then she turns around and picks Bernie for her Veep! YOWSER!!!

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
6. No, thanks. Bernie's done the hard work and IMO has shown his competence
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:56 PM
May 2016

across a broad spectrum. He's the one who's shown he can raise money and bring new people in the party. He's run a wily campaign without the aid of superPAC funding. He's the one polling better than Trump, not Warren. Choosing someone other than Bernie will alienate many Bernie supporters, which is not smart.

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(812 posts)
9. Will anyone here -not- say "Bernie"?
Wed May 25, 2016, 04:16 PM
May 2016

I think your hypothetical is good, but maybe better to specify who we'd like and/or accept that the party is actually likely to consider.

Or if you think Bernie still fits that criteria, state why.

Personally I don't expect they'd ever pick Bernie as her backup. That he'll likely finish within 10% of her means nothing to them.

I see them going with Biden too. Of course, would greatly prefer someone like Warren, and I think she'd step up to it if asked, but don't see that happening. The "historic first woman president" is far less important if it's not HRH or her ilk.

But what about technically? If she drops out before the race ends, does that not make Bernie the winner? Wouldn't it be only after she's nominated at the convention that they could select whomever as an emergency, were she to drop out?



(159 posts)
10. Definitely Bernie he's the only one left in the race and
Wed May 25, 2016, 07:44 PM
May 2016

he earned it, plus he's beating Trump in the polls. But, if Hillary has to drop out, due to whatever reason, here is what I see will happen:
1. Hillary wins the nomination
2. She announces her running mate for V.P.
3. She drops out
4. Democratic Party gives her running mate the nomination.
5. Bernie supporters walk out and do one of the following based on each individuals convictions:
A. Write in Bernie during the G.E. where allowed to write in a candidate.
B. Stay home and not vote at all
C. Hold their noses and anger and vote for Hillary's replacement (V.P. selection)
D. Vote for Trump
C. Vote for Jill Stein (Green Party)

Personally if Hillary (or her replacement if applicable) is the nominee I will skip voting for the Presidency as neither candidate will be acceptable to me, and I'm tired of holding my nose. But, I will still vote for all down ticket Democrats on the ballot. I would write in Bernie for President, but my state doesn't allow write-ins.



(7,321 posts)
15. I'm Speculating here...
Fri May 27, 2016, 01:56 PM
May 2016

I think first, TPTB has decided to run the clock on this. Hillary Team is to continue campaigning as if there's nothing to see here, press on with getting through the remaining primaries singing the meme she's already won.

In the meantime, puppet masters are getting their ducks in a row, vp choices in place, but also they have Biden also in play just in case things don't quite roll out the way they had envisioned.

I would not be surprised to see Biden trotted out just in the nick of time.


(1,587 posts)
16. Only Bernie. Accept no substitutes.
Fri May 27, 2016, 03:43 PM
May 2016

I don't care who she picks for her VP, or who the DNC is foolish enough to try to shit on us with. Bernie has been in the race, he has been winning and is the only one who can win against Trump.

If necessary, I'll vote Green, and any down-ticket people who aren't DNC/DLC/Third Way.

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(3,919 posts)
18. only bernie
Sat May 28, 2016, 02:11 AM
May 2016

he is the only legitimate option in this race. for starters, he has run this race. people are making their choice and voting their voice and bernie is their choice.

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