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eridani

(51,907 posts)
Mon May 2, 2016, 09:28 PM May 2016

Jane Sanders: "If Bernie Loses, We'll Form a New Organization"

http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/36646-focus-jane-sanders-qif-bernie-loses-well-form-a-new-organizationq

Bernie Sanders only sees a "narrow path to victory," and his wife, Jane Sanders, has now said the "political revolution" will continue after his campaign. In an interview with "The Rachel Maddow Show," Jane spoke about what Bernie plans to accomplish if he fails to win the nomination.

"What we really want to do is change the agenda of the Democratic Party."


Maddow asked Jane if she sees an "organization being formed out of the Sanders-centered movement that's sprung up around his campaign" if Bernie loses the nomination.

"That's always been the intent. Right from the beginning, it's been a two prong approach: run for president--and the most important thing is not electing Bernie president--the most important thing is starting a political revolution. Bernie said that since the day he announced.

... If he's not the nominee and he's not the president, then that becomes even more important."
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Jane Sanders: "If Bernie Loses, We'll Form a New Organization" (Original Post) eridani May 2016 OP
And I do not think that organization should be under the control of the DNC. djean111 May 2016 #1
Exactly! The Democratic Party (tm) is part of the problem mindwalker_i May 2016 #2
A Sandernista takeover would be sweet dreamnightwind May 2016 #3
Able to retake control of the Dems after 4 yrs of gridlock under Trump Divernan May 2016 #8
Have to go back and look, but I read somewhere that this bill was introduced to make a point or djean111 May 2016 #9
Sponsor said he did it to trigger debate; he did not vote for it himself! Divernan May 2016 #10
If Hillary wins expect a mass exodus... Rockyj May 2016 #25
I'm in. HooptieWagon May 2016 #4
A Sanders/Sanders ticket??? TheProgressive May 2016 #5
Start from the ground up, not the top down... Califonz May 2016 #6
Work within the system. drm604 May 2016 #11
No. The hell with the system greymouse May 2016 #12
Then you'll lose. drm604 May 2016 #16
They will say anything to prevent... Rockyj May 2016 #26
He joins with the 3rd way he loses me for good. TBF May 2016 #13
All I can say is good luck to you. drm604 May 2016 #17
Well I've got to be able to live with myself TBF May 2016 #18
And I have to live with myself. drm604 May 2016 #19
The "system" beats down Liberals and the Grass Roots. bvar22 May 2016 #24
^^THIS^^ farleftlib May 2016 #29
Lord, have mercy! k8conant May 2016 #30
He does. bvar22 May 2016 #32
He does. He did. truebluegreen May 2016 #33
yes - this is exactly what the hopemountain May 2016 #34
Jane Rocks! deepestblue May 2016 #7
I agree..she is Elenor in the 21st century angstlessk May 2016 #21
The only thing that has hampered things like this in the past SheenaR May 2016 #14
Bernie and Jane will be in violation of the DU TOS. Fawke Em May 2016 #15
Is it a third party, or an organization against the DLC? angstlessk May 2016 #22
Yes, Yes, Yes! SoapBox May 2016 #20
Jane said something very profound in an interview several weeks ago. deepestblue May 2016 #23
Gee, I guess she doesn't support "helping" them with Drone Strikes and "Freedom Bombs" bvar22 May 2016 #28
a new democratic progressive group would be fabulous oldandhappy May 2016 #27
K&R mvd May 2016 #31
 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
1. And I do not think that organization should be under the control of the DNC.
Mon May 2, 2016, 09:36 PM
May 2016

They would just loot it for the money and the grassroots organization and the member list. They did not help with those one iota.
IMO they would just set it in a corner and ignore it. I will not being going back to the Democratic Party if Hillary is the nominee.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
3. A Sandernista takeover would be sweet
Mon May 2, 2016, 09:51 PM
May 2016

I'm dreaming, and I'm with you, don't want to be assimilated, but there are a lot of us, we might prevail.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
8. Able to retake control of the Dems after 4 yrs of gridlock under Trump
Tue May 3, 2016, 06:52 AM
May 2016

As the polls indicate, Hillary cannot beat Trump. If he wins, the gridlock between the president's office and Capitol Hill will continue - it would be a hot mess in DC for 4 years, but at least the Clintons would be gone. A progressive organization would be well-positioned to field Democratic candidates, and the electorate would be receptive to progressive candidates.

And if that gridlock kept the US from leading any more charges for "regime change" the world would be far the better for it.

Interesting that the House Armed Services Committee just voted to require women to register for the draft. On the one hand, as a woman, I think that is only fair. On the other hand the legislators who passed it are not exactly feminists. I think they did it in anticipation of finding enough desperately poor young people to fill the body bags in future military actions.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
9. Have to go back and look, but I read somewhere that this bill was introduced to make a point or
Tue May 3, 2016, 07:05 AM
May 2016

something, that no one thought it would get approved. And yes - this is just more cannon fodder. The children of the rich and powerful will always be protected, favors granted, accommodations made, regardless of the draft. Those who think all draftees would actually be treated equally have not been paying attention, or are awfully idealistic.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
10. Sponsor said he did it to trigger debate; he did not vote for it himself!
Tue May 3, 2016, 08:48 AM
May 2016

Dumb move by Rep. Duncan Hunter, R. California 50. He's a legacy house committee chairman. His old man was chair of the Armed Services Committee for 28 years and now he is. - never make a threat you won't follow up on; never give a deadline you don't stick to and never introduce a bill you don't want to see passed. He's ex-military and and doesn't want to see women in combat assignments.

He also favors using tactical nukes in Iran.

HUNTER: I think a ground war in Iran with American boots on the ground would be a horrible thing and I think people like to toss around the fact that we have to stop them in some way from gaining this nuclear capability. I don’t think it’s inevitable but I think if you have to hit Iran, you don’t put boots on the ground, you do it with tactical nuclear devices and you set them back a decade or two or three. I think that’s the way to do it with a massive aerial bombardment campaign. http://thinkprogress.org/security/2013/12/04/3018431/duncan-hunter-iran-nukes/


Duncan is the only Republican currently serving in Congress to have voted against the Iraq War. So we can say he's smarter than Hilly.
 

Califonz

(465 posts)
6. Start from the ground up, not the top down...
Mon May 2, 2016, 10:54 PM
May 2016

Bernie Democrats could run for and take over local Democratic Party Central Committees, for one thing.

drm604

(16,230 posts)
11. Work within the system.
Tue May 3, 2016, 09:51 AM
May 2016

This is what I keep telling people who say that they want to support third parties. Work within the system instead. Take over the existing party. They have the resources and infrastructure.

Bernie has shown that this can work. No one would have believed that he would do as well as he has, and with grassroots funding!

greymouse

(872 posts)
12. No. The hell with the system
Tue May 3, 2016, 11:13 AM
May 2016

the system, like the Democratic party is totally corrupt. Why roll around in the garbage when you can start fresh with honest people.

That old meme is just a way for the party to avoid a new party forming.

drm604

(16,230 posts)
16. Then you'll lose.
Tue May 3, 2016, 03:21 PM
May 2016

You and I are fighting for the same things but in my opinion you're choosing the losing strategy. Good luck to you.

TBF

(32,047 posts)
13. He joins with the 3rd way he loses me for good.
Tue May 3, 2016, 11:45 AM
May 2016

All the 3rd way wants is our money, our votes, and our complicity in their wrong-doing.

No.Way.

drm604

(16,230 posts)
17. All I can say is good luck to you.
Tue May 3, 2016, 03:23 PM
May 2016

In my opinion you're choosing the losing strategy but I recognize that we're fighting for the same things.

TBF

(32,047 posts)
18. Well I've got to be able to live with myself
Tue May 3, 2016, 03:33 PM
May 2016

but I say that as someone who is in a deep red state and not able to change the vote in my county in any way (3:1 for Ted Cruz in the recent primary - that's what I'm up against).

I don't view individual democrats as the enemy. We've got a heck of a system we're fighting against here and I understand your position as well. Take care.

drm604

(16,230 posts)
19. And I have to live with myself.
Tue May 3, 2016, 03:40 PM
May 2016

And living with myself means doing what I can to keep Trump or Cruz out of office.

And by the way, I never suggested siding with 3rd way politics. Look at the context. I was responding to Califonz, who suggested taking over the Democratic Party from the ground up, starting with the local Democratic committees. I was agreeing with that. It's an easier path than trying to get somewhere with a third party.

I'm talking about taking over the Democratic Party structure and doing away with 3rd way politics. Bernie has shown that you can come close to winning the primary, and maybe even win, while going against the party establishment.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
24. The "system" beats down Liberals and the Grass Roots.
Tue May 3, 2016, 05:37 PM
May 2016

The Arkansas Democratic Primary of 2010 was a heart breaking eye opener for the Grass Roots and Organized LABOR. We were given a Look Behind the Curtain,
and it wasn't very pretty.

[font size=3]We did EVERYTHING right in Arkansas in 2010.
We did EXACTLY what the White House asked us to do to "give the President Progressives in Congress that would work with him."[/font]

We organized and supported Democratic Lt Governor Bill Halter, the Pro-LABOR/ Pro-Health Care challenger to DINO Obstructionist Blanche Lincoln's Senate seat.
Halter was:

* Polling BETTER against the Republicans in the General,

*was popular in Arkansas in his OWN right,

*had an Up & Running Political machine,

* had a track record of winning elections (Lt. Governor)

*Had the full backing of Organized LABOR and The Grass Roots activists

*was handing Blanche her Anti-LABOR ass

...and we were WINNING!

Guess what happened.

The White House stepped in at the last minute to save Blanche's failing primary campaign with an Oval Office Endorsement of The Wicked Witch that Wrecked the Obama Agenda who was actually campaigning at that time as the one who had killed the Public Option!!!

Adding insult to injury, the White House sent Bill Clinton back to Arkansas on a state-wide Campaign/Fund Raising Tour for Blanche,
focusing on the areas with high Black Populations, and bashing Organized LABOR and "Liberals" at every opportunity.

For those of us who had worked hard to give President Obama Progressive Democrats who would work with him, it was especially difficult to watch his smiling Oval Office Endorsement for DINO Blanche Lincoln which played 24/7 on Arkansas TV the week before the runoff Primary election.

White House steps in to rescue Lincoln’s Primary Campaign in Arkansas

"So what did the Democratic Party establishment do when a Senator who allegedly impedes their agenda faced a primary challenger who would be more supportive of that agenda? They engaged in full-scale efforts to support Blanche Lincoln.

* Bill Clinton traveled to Arkansas to urge loyal Democrats to vote for her, bashing liberal groups for good measure.

*Obama recorded an ad for Lincoln which, among other things, were used to tell African-American primary voters that they should vote for her because she works for their interests.

*The entire Party infrastructure lent its support and resources to Lincoln — a Senator who supposedly prevents Democrats from doing all sorts of Wonderful, Progressive Things which they so wish they could do but just don’t have the votes for.

<snip>

What happened in this race also gives the lie to the insufferable excuse we’ve been hearing for the last 18 months from countless Obama defenders: namely, if the Senate doesn’t have 60 votes to pass good legislation, it’s not Obama’s fault because he has no leverage over these conservative Senators. It was always obvious what an absurd joke that claim was; the very idea of The Impotent, Helpless President, presiding over a vast government and party apparatus, was laughable. But now, in light of Arkansas, nobody should ever be willing to utter that again with a straight face.

Back when Lincoln was threatening to filibuster health care if it included a public option, the White House could obviously have said to her: if you don’t support a public option, not only will we not support your re-election bid, but we’ll support a primary challenger against you. Obama’s support for Lincoln did not merely help; it was arguably decisive, as The Washington Post documented today:"

<much more>

http://www.salon.com/2010/06/10/lincoln_6/


After the White House and Party Leadership had spent a truck full of money torpedoing the Primary challenge of a Pro-LABOR Democrat for Lincoln's Senate seat, the Party support for Lincoln evaporated for the General Election, and as EVERYBODY had predicted, Lincoln lost badly giving that Senate seat to a Republican virtually uncontested in the General Election.

Don't you find it "interesting" that the Party Establishment and conservative Power Brokers would spend all that money in a Democratic Primary to make sure that their candidate won, and then leave Their Winner dangling without support in the General Election?

Many Grass Roots Activists working for a better government concluded that the current Democratic Party Leadership preferred to GIVE this Senate Seat to a Big Business Republican rather than taking the risk that a Pro-LABOR Democrat might win it, and it was difficult to argue with them.
This was greatly reinforced by the Insults & Ridicule to LABOR & The Grass Roots from the White House after their Primary "victory" over Organized LABOR & the Grass Roots in the Arkansas Democratic Primary.

When the supporters of Pro-LABOR Lt Gov Bill Halter asked the White House WHY they had chosen to throw their full support behind Lincoln at the last minute, rescuing her failing campaign, the only answer was ridicule and insults.

Ed Schultz sums up my feeling perfectly in the following clip.
http://crooksandliars.com/heather/ed-schultz-if-it-wasnt-labor-barack-obama-

So what did the White House gain by Beating Down Labor and the Grass Roots in the Arkansas Democratic Primary?
We don't know.
The White House has never responded to our questions with an explanation, only insults.
To date, the White House has refused to answer our questions,
or issue an apology for their taunts and ridicule of Organized LABOR and the Grass Roots in the Arkansas Democratic Primary.
 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
29. ^^THIS^^
Tue May 3, 2016, 06:06 PM
May 2016

We cannot forget that any time a real progressive gets some traction, the Dem leadership
goes in and crushes them and their supporters. There is no way to work with them, they
are not going to let progressives get a leg up and will do anything to stop them. Hence we
have DWS supporting Republicans over progressive Dems.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
32. He does.
Tue May 3, 2016, 07:01 PM
May 2016

Do you believe he doesn't remember that Blanch Lincoln was the one who killed the Public Option in the Senate?
Of course he remembers,
and this is how he rewarded her for her part in the Kabuki Theater.

[font size=1 color=gray]Pssst! Obama is part of the scam. That became obvious the day he announced his cabinet.[/font]

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
34. yes - this is exactly what the
Tue May 3, 2016, 11:14 PM
May 2016

goldwater republicans and far right party members have been building from the local level school boards, city commissions, city manger, county office positions, state congressional reps, to national congressional reps while passing themselves off as dems in traditionally democratic regions.

we - as the working class - have been busy working and raising our families - surviving paycheck to paycheck.

but we and our kids are awake and/or waking up. time for us to regain our footholds and handholds and base.

angstlessk

(11,862 posts)
21. I agree..she is Elenor in the 21st century
Tue May 3, 2016, 04:43 PM
May 2016

I will support and join anything the Sanders will go forward with!

SheenaR

(2,052 posts)
14. The only thing that has hampered things like this in the past
Tue May 3, 2016, 01:03 PM
May 2016

is that word... organization.

If it is organized well, it will be huge

deepestblue

(349 posts)
23. Jane said something very profound in an interview several weeks ago.
Tue May 3, 2016, 05:22 PM
May 2016

In response to a question about foreign policy, she stated (paraphrasing), "we have to understand that foreign policy isn't just about military. It's also about helping other countries understand how to help their own people with health care, education, etc."

Jane is a class act through and through.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
28. Gee, I guess she doesn't support "helping" them with Drone Strikes and "Freedom Bombs"
Tue May 3, 2016, 05:59 PM
May 2016

like we helped Iraq and Libya.

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
27. a new democratic progressive group would be fabulous
Tue May 3, 2016, 05:50 PM
May 2016

I want to be a part of that. The DNC no longer represents me. Keep a new organization away from DNC. If too many of you are not comfortable with us here as different democrats, then there will be other places to gather. I do not want to hurt the party and I do not want to be where I am not wanted.

mvd

(65,173 posts)
31. K&R
Tue May 3, 2016, 06:56 PM
May 2016

Regardless of what happens, Bernie and his supporters are not going away. A lot of people support Bernie, and we need to have a say.

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