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Mon Apr 18, 2016, 12:35 PM

Hello fellow Berners...polls on Friday vs. today...

I find it interesting and also very telling, that on Friday everyone on tv was saying ALL DAY LONG how Hillary was up SEVENTEEN POINTS in NY.

Today they have switched to saying, she's up by "double digits in NY". Yes, she is up by TEN points, according to their numbers. Seems to me the real story would be that Bernie closed the gap by 7 points in three days

I have a feeling it's much closer than anyone on MSM is willing to admit...here we come!

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Reply Hello fellow Berners...polls on Friday vs. today... (Original post)
findrskeep Apr 2016 OP
retrowire Apr 2016 #1
EdwardBernays Apr 2016 #2
Land of Enchantment Apr 2016 #3
daleanime Apr 2016 #5
HereSince1628 Apr 2016 #14
stillwaiting Apr 2016 #4
LiberalArkie Apr 2016 #12
PeoViejo Apr 2016 #6
yourpaljoey Apr 2016 #7
rhett o rick Apr 2016 #8
KPN Apr 2016 #9
ky_dem Apr 2016 #10
NJCher Apr 2016 #11
findrskeep Apr 2016 #13
NJCher Apr 2016 #15
findrskeep Apr 2016 #16
democrattotheend Apr 2016 #17
findrskeep Apr 2016 #18

Response to findrskeep (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 12:42 PM

1. i feel exactly the same

Their damage control is obvious

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Response to findrskeep (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 12:43 PM

2. Can't see the 12 hour voting lines

And hundreds of voters with switched registrations.

Maybe some bomb threats at polling stations.

Bill Clinton crashes his car into another.

It's gonna be a [email protected] mess no matter what.



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Response to findrskeep (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 12:48 PM

3. K&R It's disgusting, I agree. The MSM is so heavily invested in

keeping Bernie out of the process they are grasping at straws at every turn.....

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Response to Land of Enchantment (Reply #3)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 12:50 PM

5. +1

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Response to Land of Enchantment (Reply #3)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 03:06 PM

14. Yet not surprising that billion dollar corporations want his campaign disqualified and destroyed

I heard a rumor that they pushed that message onto the democrat who they expect to keep him from the nomination

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Response to findrskeep (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 12:49 PM

4. Establishment counts the votes. Berners need to TURN OUT and vote heavily. nt

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Response to stillwaiting (Reply #4)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 01:47 PM

12. Without Bernie shirts or buttons visible

and as we used to say in the South, "Vote early and vote often".

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Response to findrskeep (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 12:51 PM

6. Turn-up the Bern!!

 

Love and Light

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Response to findrskeep (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 12:52 PM

7. Here we come!

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Response to findrskeep (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 12:59 PM

8. This is a battle for lives of some 99%'ers. The Rich Fat Cats want our wealth and

 

Clinton isn't about to deny them.

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Response to findrskeep (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 01:02 PM

9. Yup.

STICK A FORK IN HER!

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Response to findrskeep (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 01:03 PM

10. I'm slightly hopeful that this will backfire

- that Hillary supporters will figure it doesn't matter if they go to the polls because they think she is so far ahead

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Response to findrskeep (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 01:31 PM

11. keen observation, findrs

These are the same tactics used with phrasing the news that we saw in the first bush election theft.

I was appalled this a.m. when I listened to our local NPR station (WNYC). The guests were very negative about Bernie winning. It was said over and over and over that it was an impossibility. The host of the show, who I have a feeling is a Bernie supporter, seemed surprised at the negativity. It makes me wonder if someone besides the host strategically planned these guests.

Bernie was on Today Show, also. He was sharp as could be. Matt Lauer tried to trap him into a weapons/defense budget question. Made me ill. Bernie did well, though.

on edit: Here's a link to the interview. I don't l know if this clip includes the question Lauer asked him about the defense budget. It had to do with keeping up with technological advancements made by Russia and China. (can't listen to it 'cuz I'm at work)

http://www.today.com/video/bernie-sanders-trump-s-crooked-hillary-name-is-an-ugly-statement-668250179706


Cher

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Response to NJCher (Reply #11)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 02:59 PM

13. Thanks for that link Cher...

I didn't see any of the morning shows because it's spring break and my daughter is out of school...so we slept in. I checked Morning joe online because I wanted to see what the spin of the day would be. That's when the "she's beating him by double digits in NY" comment came from. Although I heard it a couple of times yesterday too.

And regarding this segment on the Today Show. Can they be any more obvious in who they support??? Both Savannah G. and Matt were trying as hard as they could to pin something on him that would stick.

It's truly amazing to be witness to how all of this is playing out. And now more and more people can see it....the veils are absolutely being lifted for all to see.





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Response to findrskeep (Reply #13)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 03:53 PM

15. Here's another one!

This is about poll manipulation. So the word parsing is only part of it: they have manipulated the basis of who they interviewed.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280177826


I enjoyed my spring break last week--glad you're enjoying yours, too!



Cher

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Response to NJCher (Reply #15)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 04:50 PM

16. Someone should send that link

to The Young Turks, and/or Jimmy Dore. I bet they might cover it. I would do it but trying to finish up something before work.

And here's something else I noticed yesterday. George Stephanopoulos interviewed Hillary on his show. And she was extremely subdued. I distinctly noticed that she seemed beaten down. My husband and I keep thinking there is no way all of the attention Bernie is getting isn't weighing on her.

Just THIS weekend alone, there was the debate she did terrible in on Thursday, followed by Bernie at the Vatican, AND he met with the pope, which clearly they didn't think would happen. That huge 48k person concert/rally, the YUUUUUGE marches, the multiple rallies with thousands of people. You KNOW that must be a YUUUUUGE hit to her YUUUUUGE ego.

And I think that's what was portrayed in that interview. I'm going to see if I can find it and post it.

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Response to findrskeep (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 09:32 PM

17. Tough to say if he "closed the gap"

Because those 2 polls were by different pollsters with different methodologies. The only way to really see trends is when the same pollster does successive polls.

That said, hopefully by spinning Hillary being up so much, her supporters will get complacent, or some of them whose heads say Hillary but hearts say Bernie (there are a lot of these people; there was a time when I was one of them) will feel more free to vote for Bernie.

I am all for low expectations for Bernie - they can only help him.

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Response to democrattotheend (Reply #17)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:38 PM

18. I meant closing the gap

based on their numbers they reported all day Friday (17 points up) and the numbers they reported today (double digits, also known as 10 points). All the viewer hears is she's up by 17 points on Friday and on Monday they hear she's still up by double digits. They just don't give the amount (conveniently). Yes, spin, spin and MORE spin. As usual.

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