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merrily

(45,251 posts)
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 11:43 AM Apr 2016

Yet another Big Lie: Traditional Democrats are extremists, like Tea Partiers or Trumpers.

Let's be clear: The modern Democratic Party traces its origin to New Deal and Fair Deal policies, which New Democrats want to eliminate, then leave behind. New Democrats are the innovation in the Democratic Party and the Tea Party is the innovation in the Republican Party.

Let's also be clear: Senator Sanders is a Democratic Socialist. Democratic Socialists believe in working through both capitalism and the Democratic Party. Specifically, Sanders is not advocating anything remotely like overthrow of the government, government ownership of the means of production or elimination of capitalism. However, I don't even want to get too hung up on what Senator Sanders is or is not about because this issue is even bigger than that.

Traditional Democrats want to see the Democratic Party return to its roots as the Party of people who need to work to eat and who understand that those who cannot work need to eat, too. The Tea Partiers and other extremists in the Republican Party are not seeking a return of the Party to its Lincoln roots or even to its Hoover or Eisenhower roots. Rather, the Tea Party is the novel element in the Republican Party. So are the Trumpers, which, as best I can tell, are, on so-called "cultural issues," are the closest thing to neo-Nazis "boasted" by a major political party in the United States. Comparing liberals to Trumpers is a vile smear that could not possibly be more lacking in truth, yet it is being spread broadly.

New Democrats and the Tea Party share a root ball, starting with, but not limited to, the Koch brothers and Koch Industries, one of the biggest polluters on the planet, among other things. The Tea Party was the brain child of the Koch Brothers, who began thinking about an organization like the Tea Party in the 1980s and were very involved with Americans for Prosperity. At about the same time that the Koch brothers were ruminating about something like the Tea Party, those same Koch brothers were sitting on the Executive Council of the Democratic Leadership Council, which incorporated in 1985 and Koch Industries and other mega corporations were providing the funding for it.

From an August 2000 Newsweek article, The Soul and the Steel, about Joe Lieberman's selection as Gore's running mate (Lieberman and Gore being, like the Clintons, founding members of the DLC):

His selection may also complicate Gore's efforts to depict Bush as a patsy for big business. Since 1995 Lieberman has chaired the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC), the centrist think tank that eschews liberal dogma and promotes market-oriented approaches to policy. Like many similar groups, the DLC (of which Gore is a founding member) has never disclosed its funding sources. But last week, in response to requests from NEWSWEEK, it turned over a list of top donors. If Gore still hopes to score populist points by bashing Big Oil and pharmaceutical companies that oppose his plan to add a prescription-drug entitlement to Medicare, he may have some explaining to do. Among the DLC's biggest benefactors last year (contributions of between $50,000 and $100,000) were ARCO, Chevron and the drug giant Merck. Other big underwriters include Du Pont, Microsoft and Philip Morris (which has kicked in $500,000 since Lieberman became DLC chairman). There is no evidence that the DLC has trimmed policies to accommodate its patrons, but some contributors say the money has helped ensure an open door to Lieberman. "We've been able to have a dialogue with the senator and his staff," said Jay Rosser, spokesman for another DLC benefactor, Koch Industries, an oil-pipeline firm that is also a big GOP donor.



IOW, the Koch brothers, Koch Industries and other mega corporations were taking the country to the right by infiltrating, first the Democratic Party and then the Republican Party. This way, no matter which Party wins, big business wins. (Big business doesn't care if you have an abortion, or with whom you have sex.)

The true mirror image of the Tea Party within the Democratic Party is not the Party's traditional New Deal wing, but its New Democrat wing; and the Big Lie is saying otherwise. Another Big Lie: that all Democrats are liberals and therefore actual liberals/traditional Democrats are extremists.

Sources

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2010/08/30/covert-operations
http://americablog.com/2010/08/koch-industries-gave-funding-to-the-dlc-and-served-on-its-executive-council.html
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6211673 (Hillary, DLC/Third Way, Neocons, PNAC, Etc. and sources cited therein)
http://www.democrats.com/node/7789 https://samsmitharchives.wordpress.com/2015/04/14/6467/
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Democratic_Leadership_Council
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Labels
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Yet another Big Lie: Traditional Democrats are extremists, like Tea Partiers or Trumpers. (Original Post) merrily Apr 2016 OP
Very well said. Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #1
K&R Dragonfli Apr 2016 #2
Thank you and you're welcome! merrily Apr 2016 #5
I didn't leave the party, the party left me noiretextatique Apr 2016 #3
We seem to be heading toward one pro-big business/billionaire party vs. everyone else. I merrily Apr 2016 #4
K&R Duval Apr 2016 #6
Thank you so much. So glad to hear that my post helped. merrily Apr 2016 #7
What I find insulting is sadoldgirl Apr 2016 #8
He compared us to tea partiers, which is wrong for the reasons stated in the OP. merrily Apr 2016 #10
Extremist groups are funded by rich investors felix_numinous Apr 2016 #9
I don't think any part of the Democratic Party are extremist, though we range merrily Apr 2016 #11
Yes equating those wanting to preserve democracy felix_numinous Apr 2016 #22
Determination. The PTB were determined to take the country right, starting with the merrily Apr 2016 #23
Awesome op! Thanks for putting it all together. octoberlib Apr 2016 #12
Thank you so much! merrily Apr 2016 #13
Advocating for a strong safety net is now "extremism." Scuba Apr 2016 #14
Poster, please. What do you think Go Fund Me and homeless shelters are for? merrily Apr 2016 #15
... Scuba Apr 2016 #16
Ah, you figured out what "the New Normal" means. merrily Apr 2016 #17
No problem merrily, I've got your back and know you have mine. Scuba Apr 2016 #18
Thank you, Scuba! merrily Apr 2016 #21
Its an attempt and a form of Gaslighting Ichingcarpenter Apr 2016 #19
Thank you so much, Ichingcarpenter. Your posts are always so very interesting! merrily Apr 2016 #20

merrily

(45,251 posts)
4. We seem to be heading toward one pro-big business/billionaire party vs. everyone else. I
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 12:08 PM
Apr 2016

just wonder how much of that "everyone else" grok.

Citizens United and TPP were big steps toward further weakening the impact of "everyone else."

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
8. What I find insulting is
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 03:25 PM
Apr 2016

that even the POTUS calls us teapartiers although
indirectly. He must have a real hunger for the TPP
to say this kind stuff.

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
9. Extremist groups are funded by rich investors
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 03:40 PM
Apr 2016

to destabilize a region in order to pillage resources. I see the same pattern with the funding of RW extremist groups in the US. The tea party was one funded by the Koch's.

Progressives, social democrat liberals have organized in order to counter these groups, we are against funding violent poisonous anti social influences like the tea party, or extremist fundamentalists like Cruz, or Nazis like Trump.

It seems the only venom from the RW are lies and dirty money, and we aren't buying it.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
11. I don't think any part of the Democratic Party are extremist, though we range
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 05:15 PM
Apr 2016

from Democrats in Name Only, a category in which I would have placed Stupak, to liberals. I don't think Greens are extremist, either. I would categorize Trumpers as extremists.

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
22. Yes equating those wanting to preserve democracy
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:36 AM
Apr 2016

with RW extremist groups is in itself unhinged. The desperation stinks.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
23. Determination. The PTB were determined to take the country right, starting with the
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 12:55 PM
Apr 2016

Democratic Party.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
15. Poster, please. What do you think Go Fund Me and homeless shelters are for?
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:34 AM
Apr 2016

You Bernie supporters who worry about the poor, the elderly and the disabled crack me up.

Sincerely, Petey Peterson



merrily

(45,251 posts)
17. Ah, you figured out what "the New Normal" means.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:43 AM
Apr 2016

I was just about to post a Suze Orman video, but you did you did it on your own. Kudos!



(I know you don't need the emote, Scuba, but, since it's the Bernie Group, being sure jurors know my hard-hearted comments are not serious is prudent.)

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