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Here's an OP in GDP by madfloridian that is just (Original Post) Autumn Jun 2015 OP
You mean the wording "Democrat Senator" instead of Democratic? randys1 Jun 2015 #1
I didn't hear a "Democrat Senator". What I did hear Autumn Jun 2015 #2
Right there on the video DEMOCRAT senator (not in the video, typed on it) randys1 Jun 2015 #3
Okay, intentional by who? I thought Claire"s bullshit was intentionally Autumn Jun 2015 #6
The words on the top of the video "Democrat Senator" was the offending part to you? Autumn Jun 2015 #4
JOe McCarthy's idea, did you KNOW that randys1 Jun 2015 #7
A person posts a video of a nasty attack on Bernie Sanders Autumn Jun 2015 #10
Should be DINO Senator PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #5
"Democrat Senator" might just be right, from the things she said in that interview it doesn't sound Autumn Jun 2015 #8
In this usage Democrat is acceptable hootinholler Jun 2015 #11
wrong, never say Democrat Senator, ALWAYS say Democratic Senator randys1 Jun 2015 #13
I think either way in this instance is fine. No reason to argue with other Autumn Jun 2015 #14
... randys1 Jun 2015 #15
You know what? the message is what is important, not the words used Autumn Jun 2015 #16
This has nothing to do with that message, STOP using RIGHTWING terminology and ALWAYS call it out randys1 Jun 2015 #17
How about YOU stop berating people because they don't see things through your lens. Autumn Jun 2015 #18
NOT MY LENS, never mind, this proves it for me..no point in discussing it any further randys1 Jun 2015 #19
If you go off on anyone in this group because you don't like what they say or how they say it Autumn Jun 2015 #21
BLOCK ME NOW, I am done randys1 Jun 2015 #23
Okay you are blocked. Autumn Jun 2015 #24
Thank you azmom Jun 2015 #27
I understand these issues and I think this case isn't as clear as you imply. Jim Lane Jun 2015 #26
In Claire's case I would not call her a Democratic Senator. Because there is nothing democratic sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #20
Yes, but that has nothing to do with this, does it. I really am now wondering who is really who on randys1 Jun 2015 #22
except in this case you are arguing about something marym625 Jun 2015 #25
Check it out.... daleanime Jun 2015 #9
boring Clare very boring.... olddots Jun 2015 #12
Bernie wants Medicare for all, just like about 100 House members who sponsored HR 676 merrily Jun 2015 #28

Autumn

(45,057 posts)
2. I didn't hear a "Democrat Senator". What I did hear
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 07:24 PM
Jun 2015

was Claire attempting to trash Bernie and coming off looking like a fool. You'll have to point out the part that offended you because I was too focused on listening to her.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
3. Right there on the video DEMOCRAT senator (not in the video, typed on it)
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 07:26 PM
Jun 2015

not a mistake either, this is intentional

Autumn

(45,057 posts)
6. Okay, intentional by who? I thought Claire"s bullshit was intentionally
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 07:29 PM
Jun 2015

offensive, by her. But that's just me.

Autumn

(45,057 posts)
10. A person posts a video of a nasty attack on Bernie Sanders
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 07:49 PM
Jun 2015

and you are outraged by one word the person who posted the video typed? Tell me, do you have any outrage to spare over Claire's words that were pretty damn disgusting that she used against Bernie? Because she came off as pretty damn un Democratic to me.

Autumn

(45,057 posts)
8. "Democrat Senator" might just be right, from the things she said in that interview it doesn't sound
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 07:31 PM
Jun 2015

like she's very Democratic anyway.

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
11. In this usage Democrat is acceptable
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 09:57 PM
Jun 2015

Individuals are democrats, always have been. The party is the democratic party. McCarthy called the party Democrat or a caucus Democrat.

The example here is a corner case where either is acceptable.

Autumn

(45,057 posts)
14. I think either way in this instance is fine. No reason to argue with other
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 12:05 PM
Jun 2015

members over their usage of a word just because you don't approve how they use that word.

Autumn

(45,057 posts)
16. You know what? the message is what is important, not the words used
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 12:12 PM
Jun 2015

to describe the video by the you tube user who posted the video. I and other prefer to focus on the message not the messenger.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
17. This has nothing to do with that message, STOP using RIGHTWING terminology and ALWAYS call it out
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 12:13 PM
Jun 2015

when you see it.

How about THAT!

Autumn

(45,057 posts)
18. How about YOU stop berating people because they don't see things through your lens.
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 12:15 PM
Jun 2015

How about THAT!

randys1

(16,286 posts)
19. NOT MY LENS, never mind, this proves it for me..no point in discussing it any further
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 12:16 PM
Jun 2015

I have given you the god damn history of why that word is used that way, to call it my lens is BEYOND outrageous...

Have a nice life, we dont need to communicate anymore.

I only want to communicate with people who understand these issues.

Autumn

(45,057 posts)
21. If you go off on anyone in this group because you don't like what they say or how they say it
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 12:20 PM
Jun 2015

You will be blocked. This group is for discussing anything regarding Bernie, if you don't like how someone says something I suggest you step back and ignore it. We don't need a word nanny in here.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
26. I understand these issues and I think this case isn't as clear as you imply.
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 04:43 PM
Jun 2015

First, I agree with your general point that the right-wingers frequently misuse "Democrat" where "Democratic" would be correct, that they do so deliberately for its political effect, and that it should be called out.

As to my level of understanding, I've helped get the correct information out there by editing the Wikkipedia article on the subject. (For those who don't want to bother clicking through: There's a separate article on the Democratic Party. I've linked to the article that's specifically about the "Democrat Party" solecism.)

Now, as to this instance: English, unlike some other languages, allows a construction in which two or more nouns are rammed together. It has a technical name that I forget. As an example, the body that governs world chess is known even in English as FIDE, from its French name, Fédération Internationale des Échecs. The English translation is World Chess Federation. In French, however, you can't just put three nouns in a row like that, so it's noun-adjective-prepositional-phrase. Similarly, DU is a message board or an Internet forum.

Turning (finally) to McCaskill, she is, individually, a Democrat, just as she is a woman. You could call her a female Senator (adjective-noun) but you could also call her a woman Senator or a Missouri Senator (each a noun-noun construction). By analogy, I think "Democrat Senator" is acceptable, even though "Democrat Party" or "Democrat caucus" or the like is not.

ETA: After posting this I finally noticed that randys1 had been blocked and couldn't respond. For the record, I don't agree with randys1 on the substance, and I agree that his/her tone was unnecessarily combative, but I don't agree with the block, either.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
20. In Claire's case I would not call her a Democratic Senator. Because there is nothing democratic
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 12:19 PM
Jun 2015

about her. She is a Third Way Senator. That is a third party that has attached itself to the Democratic Party because they knew they would not have the power to do what they wanted to do to this country as a Third Party. The other party was already taken over, so they decided to insert themselves in our party.

Thankfully the voters have found out and have been kicking them out over the past few years.

Frankly what she tried to do to Sen. Sanders was despicable.

She made a fool of HERSELF and he came off looking even better.

But I would expect nothing less from a Third Way Senator.

Whoever put up the video should call her what she is, a Third Way Senator.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
22. Yes, but that has nothing to do with this, does it. I really am now wondering who is really who on
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 12:22 PM
Jun 2015

this board.

Not that it matters.

I know and am one, liberals who make most people here seem like mainstream, and as much as they all despise the wall street connection of Hillary, and wont vote for her until they have to, they are aware that the alternative really is unacceptable.

My work is making sure people can vote, i do the best I can.

It PISSES me off to think alleged Democrats or liberals WONT vote if X is Y.

I am so tired of arguing with those folks here, I think I am done talking to them.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
25. except in this case you are arguing about something
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 12:43 PM
Jun 2015

Written by someone that is not here. It's not like posting something from newsmax. We have no way to know what the YouTube poster knows or meant. This contains just the interview.

So your argument should be taken to YouTube.

I don't understand why people can't comment on the subject of a post. Even if you were right to call out the du posters, which I obviously disagree with on this instance, not saying a word about the content of the interview, even when asked, makes no sense to me.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
28. Bernie wants Medicare for all, just like about 100 House members who sponsored HR 676
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 01:49 PM
Jun 2015
http://www.pnhp.org/publications/united-states-national-health-care-act-hr-676.

He wants to expand Social Security.

He opposes TPP.

Keep going, Claire. You're doing a great job of campaigning for him, while giving us a glimpse into how your candidate feels.

But, there is one interesting tidbit here. When put on the spot, McCaskill lashed back, "You know what they are Mark. Media is not covering him like a real candidate."
Or words to that effect. And look at the smirk on her face as she says that.

She outed the vast right wing conspiracy between establishment politicians and establishment media to try to keep Bernie from making a dent against Hillary.
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