Bernie Sanders
Related: About this forumInteresting Poll: 33% of Bernie Supporters Will Not Vote for Clinton
(Nothing more to the article. That's it. Must just be an extraction from the poll)
https://news.yahoo.com/video/poll-33-sanders-supporters-wouldnt-120220441.html
peacebird
(14,195 posts)agracie
(950 posts)AgerolanAmerican
(1,000 posts)was it a 538 poll?
appalachiablue
(41,118 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
appalachiablue
(41,118 posts)Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)appalachiablue
(41,118 posts)operated by WS during an historic election year and times of mass inequality on an unseen global scale. That takes **lls.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)I have several conclusions I can draw, but I won't. Rest assured they're probably the same conclusions you've come to. Please, Debbie, resign from your post and we will leave you alone.
hopeforchange2008
(610 posts)Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)It's called "Hold your nose and vote."
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)It isn't a very satisfying action.
840high
(17,196 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Since every election is voting for the best candidate, not the perfect candidate, I get it.
HOWEVER.... maybe the DNC needs to be shown they cannot depend on jerking us around and frightening us into voting even tho' they have given us some candidate that has nothing to offer.
Frankly, as a gay atheist, I don't think anyone cares what i think or want and no one represents me. The only reason I vote is because, if you don't vote, you can't complain. But I suffer no illusions that my vote means anything to anyone that matters.
TheUndecider
(93 posts)USA becoming more secular and supportive of LGBT issues/rights
In fact one of the dem candidates is and has been both before 2010
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)and it's not open to compromise. I don't vote for corporate lackeys.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Those days are coming to an end.
TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)... but I know quite a few democrats who vow not to vote for her either.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)and congratulate Bernie and his supporters for "moving Hillary to the left" and claiming she will champion his issues, we would vote for her in the general election. They are clueless, as always.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
TTUBatfan2008
(3,623 posts)...people are fed up with triangulation. "Move to the left for the primary, move to the center for the general." How about having a backbone with some consistency on the issues? Why is this too much to ask of the politicians running our country?
Mufaddal
(1,021 posts)FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)If Dems only then it is far worse than we can imagine.
Mufaddal
(1,021 posts)But we can still expect the DNC would ignore it even then.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)Hillary, and her Corporate DNC buddy represent things I despise and fear. example: I have no confidence that she will stick with any of her campaign flipflops if elected. Like protecting and expanding Social security, abandoning Keystone XL and TPP. I should vote to get screwed? I can get screwed without supporting it. Thank you sir may I please have another.
Oh yea, It's the lesser of two evils.
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)dana_b
(11,546 posts)And I will admit that beyond a vote for Bernie, well let's just say that I may still vote for a woman for President.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)On Wed Mar 9, 2016, 11:00 AM an alert was sent on the following post:
You choose: President Trump or President Bernie. Only 2 choices.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=141065
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
Posting that the only choice is Trump if Bernie isn't the nominee is clearly against the TOS.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Mar 9, 2016, 11:07 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: What?
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This alert is either frivolous or based on a total misunderstanding of the post. Many are arguing here that, based on polls, it appears Sanders has a much greater chance of beating the Repubs in December than Clinton does and this is a fair argument. This post is not an argument for voting Trump.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Given the context (and the OP's admitting that it could be an extrapolation), I'll let it stand.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: That is not over the top, and it's not against the TOS. Please stop throwing the TOS into alerts. This poster is stating what this poster believes will happen. So cut it out.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: What? Are the DU nanny now?
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I can't wait until the primary season is over.
Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)If they don't like what we say, stay the hell out of the BS group!! WHY do they care so damn much?!
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)I seriously rubbed my eyes a few times to be sure I wasn't missing something. Unless it was super-ultra-subliminal coding...
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)I am no longer going to even try and figure them out.
Response to FlatBaroque (Reply #9)
wryter2000 This message was self-deleted by its author.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)wryter2000
(46,032 posts)I didn't realize I was in the Bernie Sanders group. I will look more closely before posting again.
BTW, I wasn't the alerter.
Response to Fawke Em (Original post)
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Herman4747
(1,825 posts)...state you need to vote for Hillary if she's our nominee!!!
Don't think of it as voting for Hillary, think of it as VOTING AGAINST THE REPUBLICAN (Trump, Cruz, whoever).
Think about the presidency of Bush II. Wasn't that a nightmare??? In voting against the Republican, you are doing your part to try to avert a similar nightmare.
Herman4747
(1,825 posts)klook
(12,154 posts)Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)mattvermont
(646 posts)I can do just that and not feel bad about it.
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)won't vote for Clinton. Even some long time Dems are done voting for the lesser of two evils.
ghostsinthemachine
(3,569 posts)1/3? No sorry, they are gonna pull the handle, reluctantly, for HRC if she is the nominee.
DebbieCDC
(2,543 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)A lot of groups supporting Sanders will not vote for Hillary. A big subset won't even bother to vote, which will hurt Democratic candidates down the ballot.
840high
(17,196 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)The number of registered Democratic voters is less than 30%. That number will get smaller still if Clinton prevails and probably close to 10% are recent leftist independents who want to primary for Sanders.
The Democratic Party can't win with those kinds of numbers no matter how many are cajoled into voting for the lesser of two evils, no matter how many of those are minorities, and that is bad for the GE.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)nobody can take their participation or fealty for granted anymore.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Holy heck where did those cats go?
Zorra
(27,670 posts)people to come to a sad, but well considered, ethical conclusion...
"Not Good Enough, Hillary"
For better or worse, the Clinton camp will reap what they've sown if Clinton is nominated. The lesser of two evils is still evil at the end of the day.
ghostsinthemachine
(3,569 posts)Are you gonna vote for Trump or whatever ass clown the Reps run out of spite?
I am a Bernie supporter and will vote for HRC if I have to. Not my first choice but at least my first choice got a lot farther than my last first choice (Kucinich) and the one before that.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)voting for a republican in my wildest dreams. I have voted 100% straight Democratic ticket in every election since I was of voting age. And coming of voting age was a long time ago for me.
I've already voted early for Bernie in my state primary, and will definitely be voting a straight Democratic ticket this year if Bernie wins the nomination.
If he does not win the nomination, my vote for President would be moot, because Clinton cannot possibly even come close to winnng the GE in my red state, which even Obama lost in 2008.
My post was, for the most part, in regard to new millennial Dem voters, and the Independent left, like the OP is.
Don't shoot the messenger. The Dem Establishment/Clinton camp are fully responsible for the consequences of their perfidy, and the tragic results of the GE, if Bernie is not nominated.
Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)It may not even take 1% sitting out or skipping the POTUS vote to give Republicans a win over Clinton IF she is the nominee.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)before all the votes were counted.
Bad Bad JuJu
(22 posts)Hilary Clinton will never be President of the United States of America. It's just not doable.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Many people are so tired of the establishment that they're willing to let the country hit rock bottom in hopes it will wake people up, finally.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,170 posts)But if they live in a swing state, it would be I'll advised to not vote against the GOP. For me, being in Texas, it doesn't really matter who I vote for in the GE. Texas will be purple some day, but not yet.
DebbieCDC
(2,543 posts)There is absolutely nothing that will get me to vote for HRC. N-O-T-H-I-N-G. I'm sick to death of "settling" (like those people in the Direct TV commercial who "settle" for cable). I'm done with this shit. Bernie or nothing.
Same here.
Rilgin
(787 posts)There are a lot of people with different types of cognitive dissonance in looking at our primary and our candidates. The democratic brand has been a part of the liberal mindset for a long time.
Brand loyalty is a big deal in America. Hillary has a (d) next to her name and still polls favorably within the people who brand themselves democrats.
Some of her supporters I am sure are enthusiastic in their support for Hillary. Given her unfavorables and her history, I believe these people must have high cognitive dissonance from having to give excuses for her unfavorable traits. However, she has support within the party either pure or with dissonance.
However, for many of us, our dissonance is different. We would like to be loyal democrats but the party is offering us a candidate who triangulates rather than runs on solid principles and who outright tells lies. Outside of the democratic party, Hillary has horrendous unfavorables and the word "dishonest" is the word most associated with her. Inside the party, this perception is less but is still there.
In most years, brand loyalty fights but usually wins over flawed candidacies. People like me have voted democratic line for 30 years. We celebrated when conservative democrats won elections as well as liberals. However in this primary we were actually given a different and purer choice of a candidate who runs on principle and has generally high favorables and low unfavorables facing a candidate with the exact opposite. Until this primary, every person in the democratic party would have expressed admiration for Bernie.
Having a principled candidate run does happen periodically. When it does it causes dissonance both in people who support the establishment candidate but also in those who break free and support the principled underdog. However the dissonance is different in the two groups.
The Hillary supporters are swallowing any cognitive dissonance they feel to be loyal to the democratic party. The Bernie supporters are trying but the dissonance keeps raising its head to say why would we really support someone we think is dishonest, triangulates and has a history that has some good but also has her lining up on the corporate and military side of the most important votes and issues of our time. Instead of sublimating, Hillary's candidacy causes us to question why we are democrats and many of us don't like the answers. Some portion are coming to the conclusion that they do not like the democratic party in its current form.
Bernie on the other hand answers those questions in a way that reduces the cognitive dissonance. He gives many of a proud reason to be a democrat because his policies support all people and are the right side of traditional democratic values that attracted our brand loyalty in the first place.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)"Hillary's candidacy causes us to question why we are democrats and many of us don't like the answers"
I don't think it is her candidacy that is the issue here. It is her success and the way so many Democrats now eagerly support positions that were republican staples a few decades ago.
The party, it seems, has moved significantly to the right. I'm not going there.
Z_California
(650 posts)From majority to minority party in Congress and State governments. Many people who are voting for Bernie haven't bothered voting in recent years because the government is corrupt and both parties work for the 1%.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)Or maybe they know why but don't want to upset their big money benefactors.
We get clobbered every non-presidential election because those who should be Democratic voters don't show up to vote.
OkSustainAg
(203 posts)of Bernie. OK voted for Bernie and I was so proud. But the evangelicals voted for 7 mountains Cruz (Grrr!). I am a Leftist in the Democratic Party. I want to see a more left turn. I say grow the Democratic Party with more leftist constituency. Exert more control at the convention. Win back the party. Sign up the youth and left independents and move the party away from corporate control and more to helping our citizens. I want the REAL win.
Nightjock
(1,408 posts)from joining the 33%.
The last one about the auto bailout made me LIVID. I expect such ugliness and flat out lying from republicans not a democrat.
Skittles
(153,142 posts)timmymoff
(1,947 posts)for being so uninspiring and holding virtually every position on every issue that people wouldn't know what they are voting for. And therein lies the problem, we would be voting against, not for something.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)Beowulf
(761 posts)And the party leadership, big money PACs, and the MsM.
If you haven't read today's Salon piece by Bill Curry, I urge you todo so. It's as clearheaded an analysis of this year's election as I've read. It's not about Democrats versus Republicans; it's about party elites versus rank and file. Breaking the Clinton Machine's domination of the Democratic Party is vital to the reform movement. You aren't going to get justice on so many concerns: health care, racism, militarized police, income inequality, global warming, a clean environment, equal rights for women, immigration reform, better schools, prison reform, decriminalizing drugs, etc., until the power of the elites is broken. That's why I think Bernie can peel away some of Trump's support.
I would never vote for a Republican and this cycle's offerings are especially awful. But I can see Trump pulling some votes as with the exception of immigration, Trump will likely be running to the left of Clinton on many issues.
This could be a transformative election. The conditions that allow such a possibility don't come along very often. To be honest and frank, I fear what eight more years of unchecked power of the Clinton Machine would mean for the party and country.
Skittles
(153,142 posts)go preach to the choir
edited to add - I am banned from the HC Tiger Beat club, so don't accuse me of being some kind of YUGE FAN
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)But this time, it might be true. The left is getting tired of this and may jump ship to the Greens.
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Hyper_Eye
(675 posts)I voted for Bernie but I am fully prepared to support and vote for Hillary if she wins the nomination. As is stated in the overall purpose of this website I will support the Democratic nominee. It is a hell of a lot better than the alternative. Honestly we have two good candidates. I believe that campaign finance reform is the most pressing issue of our time and so I support Bernie but Hillary is touching on important issues as well. Putting all of that aside we need a Democrat in office because the Republicans will wipe away the progress we have made. In particular the ACA needs to be protected. It would be devastating to this country if we went back to where we were before the ACA. I will vote for whomever is committed to protecting and preserving that law.
These polls get posted here every primary season. I dismiss them every time because progressives and liberals always coalesce around the nominee. For anyone that is enjoying your first presidential primary on this site, you are going to be amazed at how quickly the tone will change here leading up to and after the convention. This is always a rough time on this site but it will pass. Come November you will see a united front here cheering our nominee to victory.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)You'll thank us one day. Fact is I'm still planning on voting Bern in November .
TheUndecider
(93 posts)I will vote for the candidate whose views most align with my own. If Bernie not on the ballot that will mean voting for Jill Stein
valerief
(53,235 posts)Oh, yeah, they never ask stuff like that.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)LyndaG
(683 posts)Personally, I can't afford to be that way. Too many important differences between the Republicans and Democrats: The Supreme Court, healthcare.
imari362
(311 posts)I see them as, two peas in the pod.
Clinton won't appoint any Justice that is likely to overturn Citizens United....she needs that money/supporter/pacs for her re-election run.
Clinton won't do much to improve on the healthcare of the people, her "building" on what President Obama has done would be more gifts to her money men...pacs, corps, big donors.
Not enough "differences" between Hillary Clinton and Republicans for me.
LyndaG
(683 posts)You're reminding me of the 2000 election. Some said there was little difference between Bush and Gore. Oy!
Senator Sanders has said that anybody on the Democratic side is preferable to those Republican Presidential candidates.
imari362
(311 posts)BUT........
I NEVER do anything because someone "says" no matter who that is.
I ALWAYS do what I believe is best for me.
I don't compromise between the devil and his demons.
kimbutgar
(21,122 posts)We gave to unite and make sure a Democratic candidate wins, I think these are those republican trolls pushing this poll.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)We may not unite this time. Clinton is an awful candidate to many Dems and most Independents.
Sorry to break the news to you.
And, I've never been a Republican or a troll. I posted the poll, but I'm not pushing it. I'm simply pointing to it.
ncteechur
(3,071 posts)If it is Bernie I'll vote for Bernie. If it is Clinton, I'll vote for Clinton. If you will not support the Democratic Party nominee, why are you on DU?
seekthetruth
(504 posts)marew
(1,588 posts)Impedimentus
(898 posts)For me, I'm not going to go through mental gymnastics and waste time on speculation. WE NEED BERNIE, period!