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Sat Jun 6, 2015, 10:44 PM

 

Wisconsin Dem. Convention straw poll: Clinton 49%, Sanders 40%, Biden 3%, O'Malley 3%

Clinton tops Wisc. Dems straw poll, Sanders a close second

Democratic Party of Wisconsin conventioneers backed Hillary Clinton for the party’s presidential nomination next year, while Bernie Sanders finished a strong second, according to a WisPolitics.com straw poll.

Meanwhile, Sen. Kathleen Vinehout of Alma was favored in the 2018 Democratic gubernatorial primary straw poll.

Clinton drew support from 252 of the 511 delegates, alternates and registered guests who voted in the straw poll. Sanders was backed by 208, while Vice President Joe Biden and former Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley tied for a distant third with 16 votes each.

Clinton was also the favorite of activists at last year’s convention, taking almost 55 percent of the vote in the WisPolitics.com straw poll.
more: http://demconvos.wispolitics.com/2015/06/wispoliticscom-straw-poll-wisdem.html


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Reply Wisconsin Dem. Convention straw poll: Clinton 49%, Sanders 40%, Biden 3%, O'Malley 3% (Original post)
Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 OP
Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #1
Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #8
madfloridian Jun 2015 #34
Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #2
daleanime Jun 2015 #5
HooptieWagon Jun 2015 #13
InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2015 #23
Scootaloo Jun 2015 #58
swilton Jun 2015 #53
cantbeserious Jun 2015 #3
840high Jun 2015 #67
House of Roberts Jun 2015 #4
Scuba Jun 2015 #43
libdem4life Jun 2015 #6
HooptieWagon Jun 2015 #7
Jack Rabbit Jun 2015 #9
jalan48 Jun 2015 #10
raindaddy Jun 2015 #11
InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2015 #24
raindaddy Jun 2015 #26
Adrahil Jun 2015 #55
SoapBox Jun 2015 #56
Adrahil Jun 2015 #57
hedgehog Jun 2015 #59
BobTheSubgenius Jun 2015 #12
Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #47
kenfrequed Jun 2015 #49
sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #50
SoapBox Jun 2015 #14
thesquanderer Jun 2015 #15
TM99 Jun 2015 #20
Enthusiast Jun 2015 #31
DirtyHippyBastard Jun 2015 #37
DrBulldog Jun 2015 #16
InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2015 #25
DrBulldog Jun 2015 #17
Kalidurga Jun 2015 #18
Paka Jun 2015 #19
MannyGoldstein Jun 2015 #21
Fearless Jun 2015 #22
InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2015 #27
raindaddy Jun 2015 #29
7962 Jun 2015 #28
Enthusiast Jun 2015 #30
madfloridian Jun 2015 #32
Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #35
JeffHead Jun 2015 #33
Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #36
enigmatic Jun 2015 #42
ccatcook Jun 2015 #38
Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #40
Scuba Jun 2015 #44
Unknown Beatle Jun 2015 #39
Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #41
Scuba Jun 2015 #45
sybylla Jun 2015 #61
Scuba Jun 2015 #63
sybylla Jun 2015 #65
Scuba Jun 2015 #68
Robbins Jun 2015 #46
TBF Jun 2015 #48
Babel_17 Jun 2015 #51
colsohlibgal Jun 2015 #52
swilton Jun 2015 #54
sybylla Jun 2015 #60
Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #62
Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #64
onehandle Jun 2015 #66

Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Sat Jun 6, 2015, 10:48 PM

1. Within striking distance

 

Looking good for Bernie😀

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #1)

Sat Jun 6, 2015, 11:09 PM

8. Yeah, I don't think this is super super significant for the horse race...

 

But we deserve a nice headline after everything we've been through lately.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #8)

Sun Jun 7, 2015, 12:57 AM

34. ....

Totally agree.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Sat Jun 6, 2015, 10:49 PM

2. I find that pretty darned impressive.

Obviously, I'd prefer to see him be the one at 49%, but it's a darned strong showing, and yet another indication that we still stand a chance of upsetting those who see the primary as having a pro forma outcome, and Bernie's place as being merely to provide some sort of 'foil' to the inevitable 'real' candidate.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #2)

Sat Jun 6, 2015, 10:54 PM

5. +1

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #2)

Sat Jun 6, 2015, 11:16 PM

13. Give it time.

 

He's still gaining name recognition and getting his message out. He'll catch up to Hillary by the time the caucuses and primaries begin.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #13)

Sat Jun 6, 2015, 11:59 PM

23. Absolutely. And there's plenty of time left for Hillary to keep shooting herself in the foot. Go Bernie!

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #23)

Sun Jun 7, 2015, 05:33 PM

58. The gun has to be loaded before someone can shoot themselves in the foot n/t

 

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 7, 2015, 03:28 PM

53. Impressive because

 

Clinton has been a de facto candidate since the 1990's - here we have Bernie who did not until recently even have name recognition within the state of Vermont let alone outside of New England. To my knowledge, he has yet to visit Wisconsin....

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Sat Jun 6, 2015, 10:53 PM

3. Excellent News - Go Bernie Go

eom

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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #3)

Sun Jun 7, 2015, 10:27 PM

67. ...^ that

 

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Sat Jun 6, 2015, 10:53 PM

4. Bernie usually attends Fighting Bob Fest, doesn't he?

I doubt Hillary has ever been to it.

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Response to House of Roberts (Reply #4)

Sun Jun 7, 2015, 07:17 AM

43. He was there last fall and was terrific.

 

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Sat Jun 6, 2015, 10:55 PM

6. Love it. That's not far behind for a "Bernie come lately".

 

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Sat Jun 6, 2015, 11:05 PM

7. We'll be seeing more numbers like that. Nt

 

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Sat Jun 6, 2015, 11:09 PM

9. Encouraging

And we've only begun to fight.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Sat Jun 6, 2015, 11:10 PM

10. Go Bernie!

And as more people hear his message and see that he isn't the typical politician his chances of winning increase.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Sat Jun 6, 2015, 11:11 PM

11. Are you kidding me?

Hillary only held a 9 point lead over Bernie? That has to be of concern to the Hillary camp.

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Response to raindaddy (Reply #11)

Sun Jun 7, 2015, 12:01 AM

24. Haven't you heard? Polls don't matter, which only came after Hillary's precipitous fall in the polls. Bernie's got the "Big Mo."

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #24)

Sun Jun 7, 2015, 12:07 AM

26. He does!!!!

Frankly for him to be drawing so many people to his events. Doing so well in the donation dept. and now seeing this it's a little shocking.
I really believe people are a lot more fed up than the pundits believed they were and Bernie is speaking their language....

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #24)

Sun Jun 7, 2015, 04:25 PM

55. This was a straw poll... A self selected one at that.

 

Take a look at the scientifically comducted polls and you'll see a big difference.

Cherry picking data wont chamge the facts.

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Response to Adrahil (Reply #55)

Sun Jun 7, 2015, 04:42 PM

56. When it comes to polls...

I always go with,

Figures Lie and Liars Figure.

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Response to SoapBox (Reply #56)

Sun Jun 7, 2015, 05:28 PM

57. That's the GOPs line.

 

Polls are not an exact science, of course, but the better ones tend to do fairly well, and allow for fairly accurate predictions.

Of course, we're a a long way from any meaningful vote, but if you're pinning your hopes for Bernie on polls all being full of crap....

Well, just prepare to be disappointed is all I'm saying.

Having said that, I would LOVE for the primary to be legitimately contested.

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Response to Adrahil (Reply #55)

Sun Jun 7, 2015, 07:26 PM

59. If those polled are party activists, that says a good number of people

in the base are ready to support Bernie.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Sat Jun 6, 2015, 11:12 PM

12. Frankly, I am stunned by the success.

I long thought of Bernie Sanders as a sort of lone voice, calling in the wilderness. And I really admired him for it.

Given the absolutely insane nature of RW politics these days, and how many people seem to buy into it so fervently, it is beyond heartening to see such an incredible amount of support for a man who might have been written off as a fringe curiosity not that long ago.

Funny thing. His values turn out to be the values that vast numbers of people didn't realize they had in common until they had cause to examine them.

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Response to BobTheSubgenius (Reply #12)

Sun Jun 7, 2015, 08:40 AM

47. And a LOT of people thought the same way you did.

We've had self-fulfilling prophecies about 'having to' elect blue dogs and conservodems for decades, because the voting public has been subtly propagandized to believe that we cannot 'win' by electing Democrats who actually stand strongly for ALL Democratic values and constituencies. That we 'have' to accept those candidates who only care about some principles, but are Republican on many more issues, because they're the only 'electable' ones. That Democrats who believe in ALL Democratic values are 'fringe' or 'voices in the wilderness'.

It's not a matter of accident, but design. And it's carefully done enough that it creates a legion of Stockholm syndrome footsoldiers, who will defend the idea that we can only 'win' electorally by accepting the worst possible candidates, the ones who agree with Republicans on the most issues, the farthest right ones, and believe they're doing the 'right' thing because those candidates are willing to support them on matters that don't 'pick the pockets' of the people who designed the propaganda campaign in the first place.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #47)

Sun Jun 7, 2015, 09:51 AM

49. Rahm and the third way democrats

They are the latest incarnation of the blue dog/DLC mindstate seeking to make Democrats subordinate to corporate power.

Conservatives nut jobs will call anyone with a D next to their name a communist.. Basing your candidate choices on that is foolish.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #47)

Sun Jun 7, 2015, 10:48 AM

50. Excellent post. It was great propaganda and it worked, especially during the Bush regime

era. I admit that I fell for it, sort of also as the main goal back then was to defeat Republicans. Many reluctantly held their noses to elect Conservo Dems in order to 'win'.

We did that, and then realized that what we got were a few crumbs, but on the main issues, Forever War, no accountability for War Criminals and Wall St criminals, or even much of a change in the policies of those criminals. Maybe it was necessary to actually see the results of buying into 'winning at any cost' before the real changes that are necessary could begin to happen.

Bernie Sanders back then, could not have had the success he is now achieving imo.

But with so many disillusioned voters he is a breath of fresh air. The time for people who DID vote the right way back then, against the Iraq War, against the Patriot Act eg, when it was considered almost an act of Treason, has now come.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Sat Jun 6, 2015, 11:23 PM

14. Won't the numbers be interesting when things get going nationwide.

Feel the Bern!

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Sat Jun 6, 2015, 11:23 PM

15. Full Results:

511 valid ballots

Hillary Clinton 252
Bernie Sanders 208
Joe Biden 16
Martin O’Malley 16
Jim Webb 8
Lincoln Chafee 5
No vote 1

Write-ins:
Elizabeth Warren 4
Tom Vilsack 1

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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #15)

Sat Jun 6, 2015, 11:35 PM

20. Wow, impressive.

 

Sanders can win this. These numbers should be very worrisome for the Clinton campaign.

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Response to TM99 (Reply #20)

Sun Jun 7, 2015, 12:27 AM

31. Bernie must win this. Or I wouldn't give a dime for this country.

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Response to Enthusiast (Reply #31)

Sun Jun 7, 2015, 01:11 AM

37. yep

+1

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Sat Jun 6, 2015, 11:25 PM

16. What else could I say? OMG! This is absolutely incredible! And this is not dumb Iowans voting.

 

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Response to DrBulldog (Reply #16)

Sun Jun 7, 2015, 12:04 AM

25. You got that right. Go Bernie Go!

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Sat Jun 6, 2015, 11:27 PM

17. This means many Democrats are LISTENING to Bernie. That is one of the big goals he must achieve.

 

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Sat Jun 6, 2015, 11:34 PM

18. Yes, there is hope for Wisconsin!!!

I spent about 6 months in Wisconsin back in the early 80's, I loved it there. It's a beautiful state and I spent a lot of time in Madison, besides the Twin Cities area it's my favorite place in the world. I don't want to see Wisconsin become another Michigan that would be tragic. Plus I want to move there when I retire.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Sat Jun 6, 2015, 11:35 PM

19. So soon in the game...

this is Great News! Go Bernie!

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Sat Jun 6, 2015, 11:56 PM

21. 247 more consultants have been hired to address this issue.

 

It totally cracks me up that Hillary's "do nothing and freeze everyone else" strategy is a shambles because Bernie won't play the game - he's out there every day tossing truth grenades.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #21)

Sat Jun 6, 2015, 11:58 PM

22. +1

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #21)

Sun Jun 7, 2015, 12:08 AM

27. Yes Manny, more consultants to tell Hillary what to think & say - thats the ticket! Imagine if Elizabeth had jumped in the race...

It would've been over for Hillary before it even began.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #21)

Sun Jun 7, 2015, 12:22 AM

29. There's the difference between Bernie and Hillary...

Bernie's speaking the same truth to power as a candidate for President as he has his whole political career. He doesn't need 247 consultants to tell him what issues to focus on, what accent to use or how to convince voters he has their backs. He doesn't need to worry about offending Wall Street or the military contractors because he isn't taking their money... Bernie's free swing away!!!

I can't wait for the debates...

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Sun Jun 7, 2015, 12:11 AM

28. Obviously this OP is rigged, and must be banned immediately!!

 

Theres no way THIS many people dont understand that the choice has been made FOR them already!

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Sun Jun 7, 2015, 12:25 AM

30. We need to get the word out on Bernie. Obviously he would swamp Hillary if the truth was out.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Sun Jun 7, 2015, 12:40 AM

32. Good news.

Shared this on Twitter

Hope this gets to greatest page.

Thanks for sharing.

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Response to madfloridian (Reply #32)

Sun Jun 7, 2015, 12:59 AM

35. Oh that's cool

 

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Sun Jun 7, 2015, 12:49 AM

33. Let's get the gleam!



Go Bernie!

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Response to JeffHead (Reply #33)

Sun Jun 7, 2015, 01:00 AM

36. LOL

 

Let's get it

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Response to JeffHead (Reply #33)

Sun Jun 7, 2015, 03:14 AM

42. I'm a lifelong Browns fan

Loved Marty's "Gleam" speech and used it myself a few times. Bernie's got "the Gleam"!

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Sun Jun 7, 2015, 01:19 AM

38. Feel the Bern !!!

Bernie is going to be our next President!!! He isnt bought and sold.He is for the middle class.I love Bernie.

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Response to ccatcook (Reply #38)

Sun Jun 7, 2015, 01:41 AM

40. First post? Welcome. Be careful, is addictive

 

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Response to ccatcook (Reply #38)

Sun Jun 7, 2015, 07:19 AM

44. Welcome to DU!

 

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Sun Jun 7, 2015, 01:34 AM

39. Only nine points separate Hillary and Bernie.

As a Bernie supporter, that is fantastic news.

Feel the Bern!

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Response to Unknown Beatle (Reply #39)

Sun Jun 7, 2015, 01:45 AM

41. Well let's not carried away...

 

It is just a straw poll taken at a state Dem convention...

Oh never mind, party on...

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Sun Jun 7, 2015, 07:21 AM

45. This same group also rejected the wolf in sheep's clothing (Jason Rae) and elected a real ...

 

... progressive as state party chair (Martha Laning).

Way to go Wisconsin Dems!!!!

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Response to Scuba (Reply #45)

Sun Jun 7, 2015, 08:18 PM

61. A real progressive who thinks we shouldn't raise the minimum wage?

Martha was the best choice left, but she still has a butt load of proving herself to do for me.

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Response to sybylla (Reply #61)

Sun Jun 7, 2015, 08:24 PM

63. Have not heard that. Do you have a citation?

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #63)

Sun Jun 7, 2015, 09:21 PM

65. I have a blog post that links to the debate where she said it just 7 months ago.

http://bloggingblue.com/2015/05/dpw-chair-candidate-martha-laning-in-2014-increase-to-10-minimum-wage-a-lot-to-swallow/

Then there is also this blogger questioning that as well as other issues in this chair's race including her corporate investments and background and the Republican-lite campaign she ran for 9th Senate last year, finishing far behind Mary Burke and far behind the Dem performance rating in her district.
http://political-heat.blogspot.com/2015/05/its-time-to-vet-martha-laning.html

Sure, there's been a lot of BS blog posts on the chair's race this spring, but the evidence, though scant, is there to be found.

Martha may turn out to be a fine chair. I just haven't seen any evidence of the highly-touted "progressive" vein so many think she has.

I am equally concerned about the ability of someone coming from a corporate environment trying to run a party organization that is basically a cooperative. It's goals, and in this case, bottom-up democratic "ownership" is anathema to those who have earned their stripes in the top-down corporate world. And since when is a corporate executive ever in charge of marketing and messaging? Something we desperately need.

I guess time will tell. I just struggle to find the enthusiasm.

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Response to sybylla (Reply #65)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 06:03 AM

68. That's disappointing, but I do appreciate you letting me know.

 

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Sun Jun 7, 2015, 07:29 AM

46. This should scrare the hell out of hillary supporters

She at straw poll at Dem convention In Wisconsin only has a 9 point lead over guy the MSM keeps telling us has no chance to win.
And this is only early.it's been only over a week since official kickoff of sanders campagin.

Of course they will ignore this saying straw poll doesn't mean as much as actual polls but it's sign her inevitial is warning.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Sun Jun 7, 2015, 08:46 AM

48. Pretty good for an "old guy" -

Nothing has changed since 2008. I think Bernie can win this!

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Sun Jun 7, 2015, 11:53 AM

51. Senator Sanders surpassed the expectations that had been laid out

This is the ongoing trend, the Sanders campaign has achieved significant momentum. Name recognition is following close on the heels of this, and helping to propel things along. The more people know, the better the campaign will do. And now that Sanders absolutely has earned recognition, people will learn more.
The inevitable scurrilous attacks are going to harm those dishing them out and help highlight the motives behind them.
The voters are primed for this true Progressive to campaign.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Sun Jun 7, 2015, 03:03 PM

52. Like 2008

Hillary was a lock that year as well, but then...oops Obama caught her and passed her. Why not Bernie?

The difference is that Bernie will not cave once in like Obama did, and like Bill Clinton did before him. Rubin and his gang shouldn't even try.

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Response to colsohlibgal (Reply #52)

Sun Jun 7, 2015, 03:47 PM

54. Bernie has lots of experience fighting for the underdog -

 

the records and video libraries are full of examples.....

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Sun Jun 7, 2015, 08:15 PM

60. FYI, that's only about a third of the total registered delegates, alternates and guests.

Just adding this to make it clear that this straw poll is hardly a complete survey of the party's core in Wisconsin.

Even so, as someone who is a party member and convention regular in WI, I am surprised to see Sander's finish this high even with a partial poll.

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Response to sybylla (Reply #60)

Sun Jun 7, 2015, 08:18 PM

62. Yes thank you.

 

When I posted this yesterday that is what I expected everyone to say.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Sun Jun 7, 2015, 08:29 PM

64. Surprised the headline isn't "Over Half of Wisconsin Dems Reject Hillary".

 

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Sun Jun 7, 2015, 09:23 PM

66. Somebody needs to update these 500 out of 5,750,000 about who is actually running.

Pretty sure Pat Paulsen is in there somewhere.

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