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Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:04 PM

 

Anybody hear what I heard???

I've not read every current thread on DU (I confess, I can't since I don't have THAT kind of idle time!), but I heard something from HRC in her "victory" speech last night that made me roll it back for an instant replay. She said at one point that she was going to win so she could bring about the reality of "universal health care!". Tell me if I'm wrong, but that seems to sound WAY different than "well fix Obamacare and make it better" - or am I dreaming? Wouldn't Medicare for all be the same thing as Universal Health Care???

Like I said: tell me if I just read it wrong. Seems to me she's shifted to Bernie's aims after being battered with the "No You Can't!" taunts. If they ARE the same thing, gonna be interesting to see how that topic squares when their in the next debate.

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Reply Anybody hear what I heard??? (Original post)
Plucketeer Feb 2016 OP
roguevalley Feb 2016 #1
napi21 Feb 2016 #6
Nite Owl Feb 2016 #9
hedda_foil Feb 2016 #38
MissDeeds Feb 2016 #17
SusanaMontana41 Feb 2016 #19
MissDeeds Feb 2016 #24
daleanime Feb 2016 #2
ErisDiscordia Feb 2016 #4
InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2016 #31
n2doc Feb 2016 #3
Autumn Feb 2016 #5
djean111 Feb 2016 #7
winter is coming Feb 2016 #8
Jarqui Feb 2016 #10
winter is coming Feb 2016 #20
Jarqui Feb 2016 #21
winter is coming Feb 2016 #22
Jarqui Feb 2016 #23
global1 Feb 2016 #11
Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2016 #35
EmperorHasNoClothes Feb 2016 #12
AzDar Feb 2016 #13
valerief Feb 2016 #14
Half-Century Man Feb 2016 #15
grntuscarora Feb 2016 #16
SusanaMontana41 Feb 2016 #18
InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2016 #32
leftcoastmountains Feb 2016 #25
ViseGrip Feb 2016 #26
bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #27
TBF Feb 2016 #28
NowSam Feb 2016 #29
pa28 Feb 2016 #30
merrily Feb 2016 #33
NowSam Feb 2016 #34
Plucketeer Feb 2016 #37
djean111 Feb 2016 #36
jillan Feb 2016 #39

Response to Plucketeer (Original post)

Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:05 PM

1. I stopped watching her speech after the fiftieth "I" statement. But I wouldn't

be surprised. More evolution I am sure.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:13 PM

6. Dont't remember last night, but MSNBC hhas been playing clips of her interview with Chris M.

She definately said universal health care when she was talking about things she & Bernie agree on. (I think thats where I heard her say that.) Chris is supposed to play the entire interview on his show tonight, so we'll see. If it wasnt there that I saw her say that then I don't know where, but I DID hear her say those words.

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Response to napi21 (Reply #6)

Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:21 PM

9. What she says now and

what she will do if she does win can be vastly different. How does one know what she really means?

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Response to napi21 (Reply #6)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:32 AM

38. Is that the interview where he prostrates himself before the altar of St Hillary?

And bashes Bernie as a dirty commie equivalent.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 2, 2016, 06:57 PM

17. Interesting how much she says "I" and "me"

 

and Bernie says "you" and "we". Seriously, listen carefully for it. It's very telling.

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Response to MissDeeds (Reply #17)

Tue Feb 2, 2016, 07:23 PM

19. Nice catch!

That's one profound observation.

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Response to SusanaMontana41 (Reply #19)

Tue Feb 2, 2016, 08:01 PM

24. Thank you, SusanaMontana41

 

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Response to Plucketeer (Original post)

Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:06 PM

2. You don't really expect her....

to keep the same position on an issue for more then a few day, do you?

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Response to daleanime (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:11 PM

4. Nor expect her to follow through. That way lies madness.

 

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Response to daleanime (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 2, 2016, 11:38 PM

31. Hillary is the weathervane candidate... says only what she thinks people want to hear.

Unlike Bernie, the real progressive, authentic candidate.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

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Response to Plucketeer (Original post)

Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:07 PM

3. Of course. She's the Copycat n/t

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Response to Plucketeer (Original post)

Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:12 PM

5. I didn't watch her speech but listen to the words after right after. That will clear up whatever the

hell she means.

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Response to Plucketeer (Original post)

Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:18 PM

7. I am sure she meant "universal health insurance". n/t

 

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Response to djean111 (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:21 PM

8. ^^ This. Which could be "accomplished" by penalizing everyone, regardless of income,

who doesn't have insurance. Problem solved!

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Response to Plucketeer (Original post)

Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:33 PM

10. She's going to try to shift because as people become familiar with Bernie

they're jumping ship to his boat

Their talking points will be carefully constructed to mislead Democrats while avoiding going too far to the left for the general election.

She will say anything and do anything to get elected.

Bernie won't. Whether he'll be able to do what he hopes to remains to be seen but he means what he says. He's not going to deceive people like Hillary.

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Response to Jarqui (Reply #10)

Tue Feb 2, 2016, 07:25 PM

20. +1. She's trying to position herself as "a progressive who can get things done."

Clearly, the Camp Weathervane dictionary will be seeing a lot of usage.

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Response to winter is coming (Reply #20)

Tue Feb 2, 2016, 07:29 PM

21. That's a slippery slope for her like foreign policy experience was last time

that triggered her Bosnia sniper lie.

Because it will beg the question "what progressive things legislatively have you got done?"

And most people come up with light weight stuff or are stumped.

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Response to Jarqui (Reply #21)

Tue Feb 2, 2016, 07:31 PM

22. Somehow, I never get to that point.

I'm usually too busy laughing at a neoliberal trying to sell me on the idea that she's a progressive. What she is mostly is In It For Hillary.

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Response to winter is coming (Reply #22)

Tue Feb 2, 2016, 07:48 PM

23. Absolutely

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Response to Plucketeer (Original post)

Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:35 PM

11. Which Hillary Was Speaking Last Night?.....

the Progressive Hillary or the Moderate Hillary?

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Response to global1 (Reply #11)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 12:21 AM

35. The in between Hillary

in between right and further right

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Response to Plucketeer (Original post)

Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:39 PM

12. Very typical Clinton triangulation.

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Response to Plucketeer (Original post)

Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:41 PM

13. Hard to keep track of all the lies...er, evolution.

 

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Response to Plucketeer (Original post)

Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:48 PM

14. Weathervanes blow with the wind. nt

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Response to Plucketeer (Original post)

Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:49 PM

15. Her entire speech was a clone of Bernie's main points.

I saw quite a bit of it on TYT. As much as they aired.

Campaign finance, banking, universal health care, climate change, renewable energy, one right after another.

After Bernie doing so well in spite of media blackouts and outright lies has convinced her which way the wind is currently blowing. She's on board.

I could not get a copy of her speech and the TYT commentary. Here is a clip of a report from right before the Iowa caucus.


And one more for dessert

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Response to Plucketeer (Original post)

Tue Feb 2, 2016, 06:15 PM

16. She lost me after her claim that she's a progressive.

I was laughing too much to concentrate after that.

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Response to Plucketeer (Original post)

Tue Feb 2, 2016, 07:21 PM

18. I heard it, too.

Is there anything she won't say?

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Response to SusanaMontana41 (Reply #18)

Tue Feb 2, 2016, 11:42 PM

32. No.

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Response to Plucketeer (Original post)

Tue Feb 2, 2016, 11:25 PM

25. I don't pay attention to what she says.

It's for the primaries and that's all.

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Response to Plucketeer (Original post)

Tue Feb 2, 2016, 11:30 PM

26. This new thread was put together especially for you! You heard her right, and here's the clips.

 

Check out several clips of several flip flops and lies Hillary has told.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511126809

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Response to Plucketeer (Original post)

Tue Feb 2, 2016, 11:30 PM

27. She not only shifted she is stealing his very words...unbelievable

flip flopper..thinks we are all low information voters. We just won't notice.

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Response to Plucketeer (Original post)

Tue Feb 2, 2016, 11:32 PM

28. How anyone can keep up with the changes

from her on the issues from week to week is beyond me.

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Response to Plucketeer (Original post)

Tue Feb 2, 2016, 11:32 PM

29. There is side by side video of that next to "never ever"

Her absolute nerve is just so stunning. Could she be suffering dementia? Really. 3 days ago it was "Never ever" on universal healthcare and today she will bring about the reality of same? This is OMF big time.

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Response to Plucketeer (Original post)

Tue Feb 2, 2016, 11:35 PM

30. Oh yes, I heard the same thing.

After piously lecturing Iowans about "Medicare for all" being a naive fantasy that would never happen she casually dropped that in her speech without explanation.

Polls say she lacks integrity and is not to be trusted. I see why.

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Response to Plucketeer (Original post)

Tue Feb 2, 2016, 11:45 PM

33. It's also different from the US will never have Medicare for All.

Which was different from the US will have Medicare for All by the year 2000.

Can you draw a full circle? That would about represent the various statements Hillary has made about Medicare for All.

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Response to Plucketeer (Original post)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 12:08 AM

34. 3 Day Flip Flop Video

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Response to NowSam (Reply #34)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 10:20 AM

37. Thanks Sam!

 

I don't have the talent to post as you did or I'd have done so in my OP. "Universal Health Care Coverage" The word "coverage" CAN suggest she's talking about insurance, but it's not an absolute certainty. Anybody that wants to argue one way or the other has to conclude she's either very precise or very sloppy with her words.

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Response to Plucketeer (Original post)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 02:04 AM

36. She really means "universal insurance", IMO.

 

Honestly, with all of her flip-flopping, I can't imagine listening to a word she says. Just noise, at this point.

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Response to Plucketeer (Original post)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:41 AM

39. This is exactly why I can't support her. She changes with the wind.

I want a President that says what he means so he doesn't have to change his mind.

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