If you should see a post entitled

[Jackpine Radical]

"B3rnie S@nders describes 'rape fantasy' in bizarre 1972 essay"*

may I suggest that you just let it sink without comment. I think the sane Hillary people willdo their job with no need of interference from us.

It's the old concept of the "extinction program" that you may remember from those boring lectures about BF Skinner.


*Avoiding popularizing a phrase on search engines per advice below

[Mr. Robot]

1. Bernie best described it as a bad version of "50 Shades of Grey"

so it's dismissed.

I hold no grudges for something done 40 years ago.

[Jackpine Radical]

3. I know, and in fact, I was selected for an abortive jury

on that thread right after I posted here about it. It was zapped before the vote was even completed.

That was quick and gratifying. In general, I have been encouraging people to just let these nonsense posts die. The same for nonsense Hillary posts.

[marym625]

12. timing and all

I'm glad she deleted it. I like KMOD and was surprised by her posts tonight. Especially after this http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=9200

Man, if people posted in retaliation all the time, this place would be. I don't even want to think about it.

[gopiscrap]

20. what?

[arcane1]

2. I was just saying in that thread...

That it's possible some might want there to be as many references as possible, so that it will start showing up on search engines.

And of course here I am kicking another reference Hmm, maybe placing an asterisk in place of the first "a" in your post might be a good idea?

[Jackpine Radical]

6. Gotcha.

I never even think of stuff like that.

I'll edit.

[arcane1]

8. I can be excessively paranoid and cynical at times. And sometimes even right.

[Jackpine Radical]

10. There are 2 kinds of people who score high in the Paranoia Scale of the MMPI-2.

Paranoids and people who really do have someone out to get them.

[arcane1]

13. What three-syllable word starts with "P" and means "believing everyone is out to get you"?

"Perceptive"

I think Woody Allen came up with that.

[marym625]

7. She deleted it

[edgineered]

4. So, Keefer wrote another story, did he?

eta: Keefer meaning the poster in this case.

[Chathamization]

18. AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

On Mon Jun 1, 2015, 11:53 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

So, Keefer wrote another story, did he?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=10817

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nasty and pointless name calling....when will du stop doing this?

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[marym625]

5. It's been deleted

And it was a piece that women here have defended as an accurate portrayal of what women coming of age went through at the time. It wasn't badly written (not worthy of any awards ( but the spoke to what men seemed to want to believe all women thought.

Bernie Sanders has nothing to try to excuse or apologize for

[Jackpine Radical]

9. Yup--See 3 above.

The problem of course is that it takes some capacity for complex thought to get it that Bernie was attempting a satire.

[Rhiannon12866]

11. I only take exception to one thing here - and that's that B.F. Skinner is boring.

I met him back when I was in college, gave his last lecture ever at my school since it was his alma mater. The Psych majors had a meetup with him beforehand, were allowed to ask him questions. He was very entertaining, had quite the sense of humor, and I understand young "Fred" was quite a cutup in his undergraduate days. I rarely get a chance to share that...

[Jackpine Radical]

14. Well, technically, I didn't say Skinner was boring. I said lectures about his theories

were boring. At least some found them so. (Not me, actually. Operant conditioning theory works within its own realm and is useful for a lot of purposes, including keeping me fed at one point in my career).

[Rhiannon12866]

15. I think his theories were a breakthrough, but was pleasantly surprised by the man

He took the opportunity to clear up some misconceptions, that he hadn't kept his baby daughter in a "Skinner Box," and that she grew up just fine, and that he and Carl Rogers were lifelong close personal friends.

[Jackpine Radical]

17. Actually, I think of Skinner's work as deriving from EL Thorndike's earlier (1890's)

studies of cats in "puzzle boxes." Skinner fleshed out a lot of detail.

2 things you might want to read to put Skinner in perspective. The first is Harry Harlow's 1950 (I think) APA Presidential Address entitled Mice, Monkeys, Men & Motives. It was printed in the American Psychologist in about 1952 & probably abailable as a pdf online.

The other "assigned reading" is Noam Chomsky's review of Skinner's Verbal Behavior. I think it appeared in 1959 in the journal Language, but all of this is from at least 30 year-old memory, which is how long it's been since I taught learning theory.

[Rhiannon12866]

19. Thank you so much!

I'm very interested. And you have quite a memory! LOL. I became a big fan of Behaviorism when I saw it work. We senior psych majors all had "patients," under supervision, of course. I worked with an institutionalized autistic boy and an agoraphobic woman who both made remarkable progress. Of course, I was also an admirer of Carl Rogers, so think the "unconditional positive regard" didn't hurt...

[Jackpine Radical]

21. I wrote literally hundreds of behavior programs in the mid 80's & early 90's.

I either worked as the staff psychologist at or consulted to several facilities for the developmentally disabled, an acute psych hospital, and a number of nursing homes that housed large populations of chronically mentally ill people. This was an era when such places were under the gun of Federal inspectors to reduce psychotropic medications & replace them with behavioral & environmental interventions. I was very busy all over N. Central & Western WI.

I always viewed a behavior program as a feedback mechanism that informs the patient about their behavior & provides them a reason for caring. My theoretical position is very different from Skinner's.

One thing I will mention is that I always thought there were some interesting and useful ideas in Walden II; the idea of an "experimental society" that focuses on improving its own functioning struck me as a great idea. For example, if a "welfare" system is implemented & doesn't accomplish its goals (e.g. improving the lot of the recipients & restoring them to meaningful lives), then the solution will come not from scrapping the whole idea along with its goals, but from tinkering with it until it works.

[Paka]

16. As insipid as many think Katie Couric is,

she allowed him good leeway to expand on that very issue. It's a non-starter when looked at in perspective, but I'm sure that won't stop the Hillary folks.