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99Forever

(14,524 posts)
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 09:01 AM Nov 2014

Stealing thunder.

This discussion thread was locked by EEO (a host of the Populist Reform of the Democratic Party group).

A thought hit me in the night. Many of the group names that have been put forward are good, say what needs said, but carry with them, negative connotations for some people.

So I propose a different tact, how about, The Citizens Reform Caucus?

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Stealing thunder. (Original Post) 99Forever Nov 2014 OP
I actually quite like this one. F4lconF16 Nov 2014 #1
Sounds good to me peacebird Nov 2014 #2
Or, how about clydefrand Nov 2014 #3
I prefer a name that includes "Democratic Party" Jim Lane Nov 2014 #4
What the hell are you talking about? 99Forever Nov 2014 #5
I'm talking about the group name you proposed in the post I responded to. Jim Lane Nov 2014 #6
It's a proposal for a name of a group on a DEMOCRATIC website. 99Forever Nov 2014 #7
This DEMOCRATIC website includes some Naderites, Greens, etc. Jim Lane Nov 2014 #14
You seem to be spoiling for a fight. 99Forever Nov 2014 #15
I suggest avoiding the GD-type sniping!... Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #8
Thanks for being a voice of reason. marble falls Nov 2014 #9
Thank you Eleanor. 99Forever Nov 2014 #10
People think this is the Gungeon? Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #12
Dunno... 99Forever Nov 2014 #13
The Party of Social Responsibility EEO Nov 2014 #11
Thread Locked EEO Nov 2014 #16

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
1. I actually quite like this one.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 09:04 AM
Nov 2014

I'm not sure it has the presence that some of the other suggested names have had, but it's simple, to the point, and easy to remember. I like it.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
2. Sounds good to me
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 09:05 AM
Nov 2014

clydefrand

(4,325 posts)
3. Or, how about
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 09:07 AM
Nov 2014

Reform the Citizens Caucus?

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
4. I prefer a name that includes "Democratic Party"
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 09:25 AM
Nov 2014

You write that some names "carry with them, negative connotations for some people." Precisely. I want a name that carries negative connotations for the unrepentant Naderites, Green Party operatives, and any other minor-party enthusiasts. In fact, I think the SoP might usefully be amended to make that limitation more explicit. It's up to the admins how much free rein to give to DUers wishing to disparage the strategy of working within the Democratic Party, but whatever the general rule is, such posts should be excluded from this group.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
5. What the hell are you talking about?
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 09:30 AM
Nov 2014

Where did I say a freakin' word about not "working within the Democratic Party?"

Just exactly what is your problem with hard left leaning Democrats?

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
6. I'm talking about the group name you proposed in the post I responded to.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 09:42 AM
Nov 2014

As you yourself pointed out in your OP, a name can carry connotations. The concept of "connotations" is that a phrase or sentence can convey something, even without "a freakin' word" that expressly states that particular view and even if the author didn't intend that connotation.

Specifically, I was talking about the connotations of not including "Democratic Party" in the name. My concern is that discussions of other reform efforts would be considered on-topic.

I did not intend to express any problem with other Democrats, be they to my left (as some are) or to my right (as most are).

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
7. It's a proposal for a name of a group on a DEMOCRATIC website.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 09:46 AM
Nov 2014

That too confusing for you?

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
14. This DEMOCRATIC website includes some Naderites, Greens, etc.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 02:36 PM
Nov 2014

Direct advocacy of a non-Democrat running in a general election against a Democrat is, as I understand it, prohibited. Other than that the admins have given the third-party boosters a fair amount of slack.

It makes sense to use the "safe haven" rule -- specifically, to have a group that's a safe haven from the view that the Democratic Party is hopelessly corrupt, that reforming it is impossible, and that progressives should undertake other actions (third-party politics, street demonstrations, whatever). It also makes sense that such a group would have the phrase "Democratic Party" in its title, to warn DUers that posts about giving up on the Democratic Party are off-topic for this group.

I prefer the current name to your proposal of "The Citizens Reform Caucus" because the latter would, to many people, suggest a much broader scope than the former.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
15. You seem to be spoiling for a fight.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 02:41 PM
Nov 2014

Kindly find someone else to have it with, as it won't be me.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
8. I suggest avoiding the GD-type sniping!...
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 10:25 AM
Nov 2014

We have a hard task ahead trying to be EFFECTIVE. Let's not have the kind of political Scud attacks that characterize so much "discussion," here.

marble falls

(60,882 posts)
9. Thanks for being a voice of reason.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 10:27 AM
Nov 2014

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
10. Thank you Eleanor.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 10:32 AM
Nov 2014

I was merely making a suggestion and was hard pressed to understand where the "unrepentant Naderite" stuff came from. That kind of grenade throwing, I can do without.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
12. People think this is the Gungeon?
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 12:33 PM
Nov 2014

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
13. Dunno...
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 12:39 PM
Nov 2014

... makes one wonder, huh?

(Thanks for the laugh.)

EEO

(1,620 posts)
11. The Party of Social Responsibility
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 12:25 PM
Nov 2014

Or the Democratic Wing. Both are fine, in lieu of the Roosevelt Party. I am open to discussing this, but we really need to stop this discussion at some point and get to the policies we want to see enacted and how we want to educate our fellow citizens about issues they have been blinded to.

EEO

(1,620 posts)
16. Thread Locked
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 03:05 PM
Nov 2014
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