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Sat Jul 20, 2013, 11:36 PM

An academic primer on ontological anarchism.

This video clearly explains why some people claim that the government doesn't exist, rights don't exist, etc.

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Reply An academic primer on ontological anarchism. (Original post)
ZombieHorde Jul 2013 OP
NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #1
discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #2
ZombieHorde Jul 2013 #3
Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2013 #4
discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #5
ZombieHorde Jul 2013 #6
discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #7
ZombieHorde Jul 2013 #8
discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #9
Fortinbras Armstrong Jul 2013 #10
ZombieHorde Jul 2013 #11
Fortinbras Armstrong Jul 2013 #12
delrem Jul 2013 #13
ZombieHorde Jul 2013 #14

Response to ZombieHorde (Original post)

Sat Jul 20, 2013, 11:48 PM

1. An academic primer on ontological anarchism.

 

for later reading...

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Response to ZombieHorde (Original post)

Sun Jul 21, 2013, 09:14 AM

2. I'm not seeing...

...how by taking the position that an organization is communication, that there is any logic to inferring that the organization doesn't exist. Perhaps you could help here.

thanks

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 21, 2013, 02:40 PM

3. Organizations are made of communication.

Communication is created by our imaginations. The noises and written symbols are real, but their meaning is entirely imaginary. So organizations are strictly imaginary since they don't exist outside of our imaginations.

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #3)

Sun Jul 21, 2013, 06:30 PM

5. I accept that...

...a subset of the communications between certain people equals an organization. I just don't see how it's valid to say that government doesn't exist. If government is an organization and organizations are composed of communication, then government is also composed of communications but not solely communications. Organizations have buildings and equipment and other property along with members that self-identify with that organization.

Rights are another matter. Certain rights are derived from the concept of the power and authority of the government arising from the consent of the governed and their being equal from the government's perspective. One person, one vote is such a right. Other rights like the right to life are attributes innate to humanity.

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #5)

Sun Jul 21, 2013, 07:01 PM

6. Government is not a quality of matter.

We cannot detect the quality "government," we can only project it onto matter. Government comes from our minds. Considering a collection of atoms as a "government building" is a quality of the imagination. Considering a collection of atoms as a "government employee" is also a quality of the imagination.

Rights come from the imagination. We cannot detect them, we can only imagine them and project them. Right to life is a rhetorical construct that generally only applies to humans and pets that belong to the same imaginary faction we belong to because we don't want to be killed, but we do want other people, animals, and/or plants to be killed.

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #6)

Sun Jul 21, 2013, 07:50 PM

7. Unless...

...we're willing to accept an objective reality, this conversation is imaginary.

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #7)

Sun Jul 21, 2013, 08:11 PM

8. The conversation is real, but its meaning is imaginary. nt

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #8)

Sun Jul 21, 2013, 09:10 PM

9. As is...

...the meaning of "imaginary"!

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Response to ZombieHorde (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:11 AM

10. I'm sorry, but solipsism does not appeal to me

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Response to Fortinbras Armstrong (Reply #10)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 12:42 PM

11. That's fine, but neither the video nor I are advocating for solipsism. nt

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #11)

Tue Jul 23, 2013, 07:08 AM

12. Oh really?

Communication is "imaginary" is not basically solipsistic?

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Response to ZombieHorde (Original post)

Wed Jul 24, 2013, 01:09 AM

13. The animated cartoonist at hyper-speed style bothers me.

By that I mean it takes away from whatever message the cartoonist might be delivering.
I know it's supposed to be helpful but I found it helpful not to watch the video, to just listen to the audio.

I listened to 11 minutes of it, and I'll probably watch the rest later.
"What is organizational communication? Organizations AS communication."
Doesn't that claim fail, as proven by the Liar Paradox?

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Response to delrem (Reply #13)

Wed Jul 24, 2013, 03:53 AM

14. I am not sure how the Liar's Paradox applies here. nt

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