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Sun Mar 31, 2013, 03:17 PM

Let's list some false arguments that NRA and proponents use against gun and ammo regulation

I'll start with one and explain why it's false:

1) that we shouldn't regulate lead shot in the environment because #2 pencils also pollute the environment.
a) pencils don't contain lead and b) one source of lead contamination doesn't eliminate the need to regulate another.

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Sun Mar 31, 2013, 03:31 PM

1. Putting more guns in the hands of responsible citizens makes us all safer.

Anyone currently feel threatened by Star Trek style Phasers?

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Response to chknltl (Reply #1)

Sun Mar 31, 2013, 03:40 PM

3. Q#1: No. Q#2: Only the Alex Jones and David Icke fans. Me, not so much. n/t

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Sun Mar 31, 2013, 03:38 PM

2. It's too late, there are already too many guns in circulation.


So let's just add more of the friggin things and coddle those who keep adding to their weapons cache.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #2)

Sun Mar 31, 2013, 03:44 PM

4. You forgot your :sarcasm: icon. Here you go:



The immutable status quo isn't really what the 'gun freedom' folks say it is. But a generation has grown up with this meme, thus making it a reality?

JMHO.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #2)

Tue Apr 2, 2013, 02:04 AM

11. That's like "the pipes burst and there's too much water in the house now"

No point in turning off the water main.

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Sun Mar 31, 2013, 04:00 PM

5. "So now the NRA makes money off people opposing it's propaganda? Yes. It does."

This is a really bizarre argument but several (people?) screen names have been defending it in our very own gungeon.

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Mon Apr 1, 2013, 09:09 AM

6. "Spoons kill more people than guns."

"You might as well give up right now, because you are too insignificant to have an impact."

"We need to completely reform the mental health system before we do anything about guns."

"Chicago has tough gun laws, and they have a lot of gun deaths, so tough gun laws won't work"

"You don't know what a Myerson Double Triple Ammo Latch is, therefore you have no right to be having a discussion about guns"

"You don't know what a Myerson Double Triple Ammo Latch is, therefore the gun control laws will be bad."

"You are saying that all gun owners are murderers. That hurts my feelings."

"All you people who don't like to see guys with semi automatic guns in JC Penney are just hysterical and don't get it. It's no big deal."

"You mean a grandpa can't just give his grandkid a gun without a lot of paperwork? Where's my Liberteeeeeeeeeee!!!!"

"What about the millions who use guns to get their food? Huh? What about those millions? You want them to starve?"

"If you take guns out of the hands of law abiding people, the only people who will be left with guns are the criminals."

"A guy in Podunk stopped a crime with his gun. See? Guns work!"

"All those gun statistics are irrelevant because they include/don't include suicides."

"It's not a clip, it's a magazine. Discussion closed."

"It's not a magazine, it's a clip. Discussion closed."

"There are a lot of kids finding guns in dumpsters and bushes." (I'm not sure how this last one fits in, but there is a lot of discussion about dumpster and shrubbery guns.)

Give me a few minutes. I could come up with a million of them...

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Mon Apr 1, 2013, 10:31 AM

7. I thought of another one (I love lists!):

"I was GOING to be supportive of gun control measures, but then I found out that 3 people on DU want to ban guns altogether. So now, I'm going to pretend that that is the goal of all gun control, and I'm going to fight it tooth and nail, and not listen to anyone who wants gun control."

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Mon Apr 1, 2013, 02:13 PM

8. "Mexico and Russia have tight gun control laws, but a lot of crime"

Uttered in response to the observation that among developed nations, the US has by far the highest homicide rate, due in large part to the easy availability of guns.

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Mon Apr 1, 2013, 02:14 PM

9. "Anti-gun bigotry" and the whole gun owner persecution complex.

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Mon Apr 1, 2013, 05:31 PM

10. bouncing background checks

Squinch you're besting all of us, but keep it up.

creek dog: Let's list some false arguments that NRA and proponents use against gun and ammo regulation

Wayno's current flip flop hypocrisy, paraphrased: universal background checks aren't going to stop criminals, criminals don't care about background checks, so background checks bad, only penalize laaaw abiiiiding gumomers.

As if background checks were ever supposed to be 100% effective & leakproof. Even if they increased efficacy by 10% it would be worth it, and likely would do much better than that.

There was another (of many) a decade or so back after mcveigh bombing where govt wanted to add microscopic maybe plastic 'taggants' to explosives so as to help identify lot# & point of manufacture if exploded in a building or town etc... who could argue with that eh? ... nra that's who.
Turned out adding taggants increased the chance of a misfire when the explosive (same as in gunpowder somehow) was in a bullet, increased about 2 chances in 100,000 or something like that, instead of a 99.950 chance of a good fire it slipped down to only a 99.940 chance, putting the poor gunowner more at risk of not having his gun fire!
... & that became an infringement yada yada. (actually the nra got it's way, since there came a better way to id explosives without using taggants, or the idea dropped, forget which).

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Wed Apr 3, 2013, 09:40 PM

12. Magazine sizes don't matter because it only takes the world speed reloading champion 0.02384 seconds

to change magazines!

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 01:50 AM

13. I can't say it much better.

A writer Tommy Christopher, in a MEDIAite column expressed it eloquently;

This is the circular nature of the NRA’s argument in a nutshell, the Catch .223; they have constructed a political environment in which they lobby against any and all regulation, then when a compromise is offered, they argue that the proposed law isn’t strict enough to do any good.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/catch-223-newtown-parent-mark-mattioli-says-magazine-limits-wont-work-without-confiscation/

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