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Fri Feb 17, 2017, 11:28 AM

Congress Says, Let the Mentally Ill Buy Guns

For all their dysfunction, the Republican Senate and House have managed to act with lightning speed in striking down a sensible Obama administration rule designed to stop people with severe mental problems from buying guns.

President Trump, who championed the National Rifle Association agenda as a candidate, is expected to sign the regressive measure. This, despite the Republican mantra that tighter control of mentally troubled individuals — not stronger gun control — is the better way to deal with the mass shootings and gun carnage that regularly afflict the nation.

The Senate voted Wednesday to join the House in revoking the rule. It would have required the Social Security Administration to add about 75,000 people, currently on disability support, to the national background check database and deny them gun purchases. These individuals suffer schizophrenia, psychotic disorders and other problems to such an extent that they are unable to manage their financial affairs and other basic tasks without help.

Allowing them to buy guns poses an inordinate and needless risk to public safety. An existing law bars gun purchases to people “adjudicated as a mental defective” or involuntarily committed to a mental institution. But enforcement of that law has been spotty, because medical records often aren’t added to the federal databases — thus prompting the Obama administration to create the Social Security rule. Congress struck down the rule with Republican majorities — and some Democrats notably up for re-election next year — contending that the Second Amendment rights of these troubled, disabled individuals have to be the prime concern.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/15/opinion/congress-says-let-the-mentally-ill-buy-guns.html?_r=0


Thus ensuring that even after Trump is committed, he can still buy a gun.

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Response to billh58 (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 11:30 AM

1. When the head of your party has the nuclear launch codes

giving guns to the mentally ill doesn't seem all that far off.

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Fri Feb 17, 2017, 03:40 PM

2. The gun nuts say that the ban (it wasn't one) on Social Security Recipients

who cannot manage their finances didn't make us more safe because that group of people aren't prone to committing homicide.

Once again it's deflection from the purpose of the restriction which was not to stop homicides, but suicides. That age group is already at or near the top of suicides so the restriction (which put such persons on the NICS list which can be appealed) was meant to save lives, not prevent murders.

Gunners will tell you that suicide is not gun violence. Considering that most suicides are discovered by loved ones I'd debate that. Besides that, if you have the opportunity to talk to a victim left behind by suicide the will debate that as well.

Don't think suicide by gun is violent? Do a google image search on 'gun suicide'. I dare you.

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Fri Feb 17, 2017, 03:43 PM

3. They already have been buying guns for years.

What is going to change?

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