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Wed Oct 16, 2019, 02:38 PM

How many DUers have left or been booted because of DU politics?

Having been here since 2004 I notice big changes over the years. The most fervent lefties are gone. Someone like me, who is on the verge of being booted, may just give up and leave. I'm not an absolutist. I'm neither a moderate or a liberal. I consider myself a progressive who is frustrated by our inability to articulate disagreement without breaking some rule that seems to err on the conservative side.

IMHO the rules are hurting us in the first election post the nullification of our Constitution. Evidence of that is: Trump every day, Mitch McConnell every day, Wiliiam Barr every day, Gorsuch & Kavanaugh on the SCOTUS and the SCOTUS itself - Bush v Gore/DC v Heller/Citizens United and because Putin helped trump win the EC*. (The EC, which did not fulfill its duty by being a check on the popular vote has not been articulated by our party.) These are not issues the MSM will address during the debates. The ramifications of that negligence, I feel, trickles down into DU and negatively effects us ALL, let alone the country as a whole.

All the above have contributed to twist the Constitution out of recognition. Yet here in the Democratic Underground, whose name has never bern more appropriate, we obey strictly enforced rules until we just CAN'T because we are being driven insane by an insane adversary and the thieves he has surrounded himself with.

Don't think I can take much more. I am curious to know if anyone else notice a culling of our herd? I will not be missed in this community, but others are already sorely missed. And I feel certain others will not contribute to such a tightly knit group. This is all very sad to have to post. I do it very hesitantly and with a heavy heart.

P.S. Big shout out and thanks to Kpete, who has kept me coming back for more.


* https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/the-electoral-college-was-meant-to-stop-men-like-trump-from-being-president/508310/

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Reply How many DUers have left or been booted because of DU politics? (Original post)
SleeplessinSoCal Oct 16 OP
irisblue Oct 16 #1
SleeplessinSoCal Oct 16 #4
irisblue Oct 16 #5
MuseRider Oct 16 #2
beachbumbob Oct 16 #3
quickesst Oct 16 #6
SleeplessinSoCal Oct 16 #7
quickesst Oct 16 #8
Turin_C3PO Oct 16 #9
SleeplessinSoCal Oct 17 #10
Turin_C3PO Oct 17 #13
ripcord Nov 3 #17
hunter Oct 17 #11
SleeplessinSoCal Oct 17 #12
hunter Oct 17 #14
SleeplessinSoCal Oct 17 #15
JonLP24 Oct 25 #16
wellst0nev0ter Nov 3 #18
SleeplessinSoCal Nov 4 #19
CloudWatcher Nov 7 #20
SleeplessinSoCal Friday #21
CloudWatcher Friday #22

Response to SleeplessinSoCal (Original post)

Wed Oct 16, 2019, 02:53 PM

1. I will miss you. I value your voice

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Response to irisblue (Reply #1)

Wed Oct 16, 2019, 03:20 PM

4. so sweet. thanks.

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Response to SleeplessinSoCal (Reply #4)

Wed Oct 16, 2019, 03:26 PM

5. Back at you



But I do get annoyed at other DUers and have to step away. That has be an exercise in frustration for me. But it was necessary

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Response to SleeplessinSoCal (Original post)

Wed Oct 16, 2019, 03:13 PM

2. I have to really pick and choose what I can take

from day to day. It all depends on how I feel. I rarely go into the primary forum, I cannot take it anymore. I find I like people less and less as we go forward so I break away.

I have a lot of friends, like you do, after so many years. I take time to drop out and look away when I get upset. YMMV but that helps me a lot. I was almost entirely gone for several years. I am sure nobody missed me but I did miss some friends who were mostly gone when I came back.

The fluctuations are tougher now for me as I get older, it feels too much like High School fighting with many posters here and harder to find those who really want to talk about things. I include myself there, I am tempted from time to time to get in the mud and be stupid about it all.

I find it is nice to keep my old friends here and leave now and then or just not post. Every person like you who leaves make this place a bit sadder and less informative.

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Response to SleeplessinSoCal (Original post)

Wed Oct 16, 2019, 03:14 PM

3. we have to be very careful in what we post that may deviate from a very narrow and often

restrictive manner. The rules as such and as a private forum, doesn't take much to get sent off to the gulag. This post may be reported and bam

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Response to SleeplessinSoCal (Original post)

Wed Oct 16, 2019, 03:30 PM

6. I post...

.... exactly what I feel as long as I'm being honest with myself, and let the chips fall where they may. If at some point I cross a line too far, and get booted, it's not the end of the world. Hell, it's not even the end of the day.🐴

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Response to quickesst (Reply #6)

Wed Oct 16, 2019, 04:56 PM

7. that is why I posted this.

In the age of trump we are in here obeying rules that wont allow us to criticize a candidate. Or offer a critique in our own words. I have always tried to be articulate. And frustration going forward is bound to add unhealhy levels of stress.

I'm on a cycling machine at the gym as I type. Stress is building. BP and hot flashes are out of control. Having to carefully craft a criticism when a thoughtless word from a candidate cries out for a check could well hurt all our stress levels.

I miss the rowdy posters that drove me crazy. They were an important part of DU.

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Response to SleeplessinSoCal (Reply #7)

Wed Oct 16, 2019, 05:50 PM

8. the problem as I see it....

.... is that too many people confuse criticism with underhandedness. It's easy to spot, and I will call it out at every chance I get. Another thing is so much of what some call criticism is so petty that it is not worth spending too much time responding to. Even more amazing is that these same people believe they have hit upon the holy grail of criticism until the pettiness is exposed. That is usually when they retreat into the shadows until the next chance they get. Criticism should be voiced as long as it is legitimate criticism. The problem is the other side of the coin.

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Response to SleeplessinSoCal (Reply #7)

Wed Oct 16, 2019, 08:45 PM

9. I think in 2016 a lot of lefties

got booted for not supporting Hillary Clinton when she won the nomination. But the rules have always stated we must support the Dem candidate for President. I agree with that rule.

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #9)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 01:47 AM

10. and a lot were booted or left during the primary.

Recalling that DU was hacked and actually offline for the returns in November brings back excruciating memories. The stress is building from a place that was already stress filled. How will we cope?

I'm teetering because i joked that Biden was keeping his powder dry so that he could shoot himself in the foot. It was deleted. If we can't joke about a well known candidate's Achilles heel, how do we discuss reality? We don't. We dance around it. It's a dilemma.

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Response to SleeplessinSoCal (Reply #10)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 04:01 PM

13. Yeah

I wouldn’t have voted to delete your post and I’m a Biden supporter. Sometimes the jurors are too sensitive. Maybe we should go back to having moderators.

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Response to SleeplessinSoCal (Reply #10)

Sun Nov 3, 2019, 09:47 PM

17. Juries don't really care about the forum rules anymore

Many are pushing personal agendas and feel nothing when it comes to stepping on other people's valid opinions.

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Response to SleeplessinSoCal (Original post)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 12:17 PM

11. I'm a radical leftist and environmental extremist.

I'm prejudiced against baby boomer white guys such as myself. In general, we fucked up big time.

But my politics are entirely practical and thoroughly Democratic.

I don't ever censor myself here on DU, but I see little value in primary forum warfare so I simply don't go there much.

"Trump" is on my trash-by-keyword list which makes DU much more tolerable.

The best thing anyone who is feeling burned out by politics can do is to turn off the fucking television.

My own television plays DVDs and Netflix. That's all it does. No bullshit television "news," no bullshit commercials.

When I get fed up with politics I walk away. I have a garden and a dog who chases tennis balls. I'm not chained to the internet.

If I'm really spoiling for a fight then I go full on Don Quixote in my continuing wars against XML, ECMAScript, and yes, the useless wind turbines covertly promoted by the filthy fracking natural gas industry.

Yes, all my posts are about ME! Everyone should try it. I hate it when people talk sideways about things, like they are trying not to offend some invisible guy in the room, be it Bernie Sanders, Jesus, or the mythical voter sitting on the fence.

See you around!


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Response to hunter (Reply #11)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 03:38 PM

12. turning off the news is probably a two-sided coin.

Can't look away. Ever since Donald showed up at Marble Collegiate Church one "Sinday" with Marla Maples, and Ivana was at home with the kids and clueless, we wondered why would he behave like this... At the same time he was demanding the death penalty for the CP5 who were ramrodded by the NYPD. He wants to be the earth's Strong Man (with Putin's support) as we belch our way into extinction.

This man has been an impossible to ignore presence in our lives for decades and he won't stop until he is dead and embalmed under glass a la Lenin.

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Response to SleeplessinSoCal (Reply #12)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 04:41 PM

14. Trump would be a nobody without television, and television "news" especially.

Fuck 'em both.

I read all my news and subscribe to multiple local, national, and international newspapers. (These are electronic subscriptions for all but our local papers.) Sometimes I watch videos on newspaper websites, mostly The Guardian it seems.

It's the nature of television news and opinion -- left, center, right, or completely out of the ballpark -- that it must appeal to the less rational aspects of the human mind. Otherwise very few people would watch it.

My wife and I quit traditional television more than a decade ago. No cable, no satellite, no broadcast. I feel better informed now than I was then.

I certainly feel less helpless. I think that's the whole point of television, to make people feel empty. People who feel empty are more likely to buy something -- be it a car, an expensive pharmaceutical of dubious effectiveness, or a rotten politician.

I know Trump is rotten. I don't have to be yelling at a television about it.

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Response to hunter (Reply #14)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 06:39 PM

15. glad to hear you are better informed. wish you were in the majority.

I have let several subscriptions lapse but check in all over. I make MSNBC homebase, in part because they are a check on Fox "News". And way too many people in our lives wont listen to NPR because they watch Fox "News".

Too true about the tv president. But I take the position that keeping up with his strategy is terribly important. The GOP has shred the rule book and have gone rogue. The media doesn't tell us that. So many people covering the news, yet they can't or won't follow up for fear of losing access.

The fact that we have countless newspapers and a tiny percent of the country reading is probanly why our debates so quickly go off the rails.

Issues we need to legislate are:

1) The news and fake news. Facts can't be debatable.

2) The Electoral College - Can't be a rubber stamp. Must follow procedure to prevent a con man and inveterate liar from being elected. Any rules like showing tax returns must be followed if you are to be POTUS.

How do we ever agree when there are think tanks controlling our rights as voters.

Liberal argument:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/the-electoral-college-was-meant-to-stop-men-like-trump-from-being-president/508310/

Conservative argument:
https://www.heritage.org/conservatism/commentary/preventing-the-tyranny-the-majority

And many more. Suggestions?

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Response to SleeplessinSoCal (Reply #15)

Fri Oct 25, 2019, 07:00 AM

16. I think MSNBC has their own bias

It isn't necessarily liberal because they would have all voices on the left. People like Krystal Ball were let go and they have a history of not letting people back on that are too friendly to Bernie.




I would like sober independent reporting not this ideological driven content and media shouldn't be biased toward either political party.

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Response to SleeplessinSoCal (Original post)

Sun Nov 3, 2019, 10:05 PM

18. It's gotten to the point that Dem candidates can trash other Dems

But we DUers can't criticize a Democrat, no matter how execrable they are, without fear of having our post deleted.

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Response to wellst0nev0ter (Reply #18)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 05:29 PM

19. I agree. our priorities seem backwards.

It is apparently an age old challenge for Democrats.

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Response to SleeplessinSoCal (Original post)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 11:11 PM

20. I left and came back.

Wasn't booted, but got fed up with the policies and took a few months off.

That said, I stay clear of the primary forums and don't do juries. I get too pissed too quickly.

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Response to CloudWatcher (Reply #20)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 02:47 AM

21. wise move.

I am avoiding those forums too. But sometimes I stumble into them reading the Homepage.

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Response to SleeplessinSoCal (Reply #21)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 02:34 PM

22. Home Page vs. Ignore List

Indeed. I reported a bug (many months ago) that your Ignore List is not honored for threads that make it onto the home page. Still not fixed.

It does work nicely for most forums or I'd have left again already

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