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Wed Mar 20, 2019, 01:52 PM

floppyboo (2,461 posts)

What's the protocol on posting tweets? or any links with hate content?

Lately I've noticed a huge rise in the re-posting of tweets, that in themselves, could be considered fairly neutral, yet the comments (and I'm going to guess because of the followers) are full of hate.

Is this sort of thing going to get around the 'support democrats' rule because of the first amendment, and if so, are rules of engagement here so easily corrupted?

Is it cool to report on someone who posts a tweet where the comments are 100% anti-democratic? Or slamming a Democratic Presidential candidate? Or should I just not read? Should this hate be in my face here at DU?

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Reply What's the protocol on posting tweets? or any links with hate content? (Original post)
 floppyboo Mar 2019 OP
LineReply Pretty much any prominent Democrat who tweets gets vile hateful comments
 emulatorloo Mar 2019 #1
LineLineReply I wasn't talking about tweets from prominent Democrats. Tweets from this DU community
 floppyboo Mar 2019 #4
LineLineLineReply Yes see my third paragraph above.
 emulatorloo Mar 2019 #19
LineReply Context is everything...
 hlthe2b Mar 2019 #2
LineLineReply yes - following the link. Not doing it anymore. Was too sad and mean!
 floppyboo Mar 2019 #3
LineLineLineReply that's why the admins made it possible to embed tweets. Stick with those posts that do, I guess.
 hlthe2b Mar 2019 #5
LineLineLineLineReply explain please. So if there is just a link, but no text, that is ok and embedded?
 floppyboo Mar 2019 #8
LineLineLineLineLineReply Here is a post of my own that includes an embedded tweet
 hlthe2b Mar 2019 #11
LineLineReply I would be totally cool with someone posting the tweet and not the link
 floppyboo Mar 2019 #6
LineLineLineReply It is content on DU which is juried not content elsewhere.
 hlthe2b Mar 2019 #7
LineLineLineLineReply so if the content is posted to DU, then it can be juried here? nt
 floppyboo Mar 2019 #10
LineLineLineLineLineReply If what is posted breaks the TOS rules for the site, yes, but again context is everything.
 hlthe2b Mar 2019 #13
LineLineLineLineLineLineReply what about deriding LW comments against some Dems?
 floppyboo Mar 2019 #14
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply well, it is against the rules to attack (not just criticize) but attack DEMS, but I'd try to be sure
 hlthe2b Mar 2019 #15
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply But this is exactly the problem I'm having!
 floppyboo Mar 2019 #16
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply Well, you could include some posts/links to recent posts in a question to 'Ask the Administrators'
 hlthe2b Mar 2019 #17
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply I have asked a # of questions. 2 months and waiting...
 floppyboo Mar 2019 #18
LineLineLineReply If people don't remove the "mobile." from the link, they just get the link, not
 tblue37 Mar 2019 #9
LineLineLineLineReply this makes sense to me, as I don't have a phone and have to go through some steps
 floppyboo Mar 2019 #12
LineReply Is the new question in the age of twitter: What is a moderated site?
 floppyboo Mar 2019 #20
LineLineNew Reply You want to be in a bubble? Do you think that is possible? Do you think that is wise?
 PeeJ52 Apr 2019 #27
LineReply maybe, well not maybe, there should be a forum where all tweets are posted nt
 msongs Mar 2019 #21
LineLineNew Reply I like that idea!
 floppyboo Mar 2019 #23
LineReply Let DU members decide.
 Ptah Mar 2019 #22
LineNew Reply high level of discussion
 lunasmithiam Mar 2019 #24
LineNew Reply Message auto-removed
 Name removed Apr 2019 #25
LineNew Reply great question. i hope we get an answer. k & r
 Kurt V. Apr 2019 #26
LineNew Reply I'm not understanding... Do we not want to comment on what they post? Do we not want to...
 PeeJ52 Apr 2019 #28
LineLineNew Reply Ya - that's part of what I'm talking about
 floppyboo Apr 2019 #29
LineLineLineNew Reply In my opinion, that's a bad rule. It's usually enforced by mob rule...
 PeeJ52 Apr 2019 #30
LineLineLineLineNew Reply thanks for the insights.
 floppyboo Apr 2019 #32
LineLineLineNew Reply more...
 floppyboo Apr 2019 #31

Response to floppyboo (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 02:03 PM

Star Member emulatorloo (37,999 posts)

1. Pretty much any prominent Democrat who tweets gets vile hateful comments

If a Democrat tweets out something that is worth sharing, I want to know about it. I generally avoid the comments.

Sometimes I have seen tweets posted here that are dishonest attacks on Democrats.

Usually the poster who posts a tweet like that is highlighting the dishonesty, and noting the smears that dishonest “Twitter Opinion Makers” are trying to make go viral/push into mainstream media.
Imho it is good to know that as well, to be aware of what talking points are being floated.

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 02:24 PM

floppyboo (2,461 posts)

4. I wasn't talking about tweets from prominent Democrats. Tweets from this DU community

who are posting opinion tweets from talking heads from things like buzzfeed etc.

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Response to floppyboo (Reply #4)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 03:18 PM

Star Member emulatorloo (37,999 posts)

19. Yes see my third paragraph above.

Also if you think the poster is reposting a lie tweet to promote it rather than critique it try this in a replay

- push back on the Tweeter’s smear (note: the tweeter, not the poster)
- post the real facts which shows the Twitter person is wrong

You can also alert on the original post if you believe they are promoting the smear.

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Response to floppyboo (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 02:07 PM

Star Member hlthe2b (83,392 posts)

2. Context is everything...



That said, when I see posts with embedded tweets there are rarely comments included. Are you talking about following the link to see the comments?

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #2)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 02:21 PM

floppyboo (2,461 posts)

3. yes - following the link. Not doing it anymore. Was too sad and mean!

I felt like I was being thrown into watching a bad show that, if there had been a warning, I would have avoided. Now I avoid all tweet links, which is sad, because there could be something useful there?

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Response to floppyboo (Reply #3)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 02:26 PM

Star Member hlthe2b (83,392 posts)

5. that's why the admins made it possible to embed tweets. Stick with those posts that do, I guess.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 02:32 PM

floppyboo (2,461 posts)

8. explain please. So if there is just a link, but no text, that is ok and embedded?

I'm such a luddite

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Response to floppyboo (Reply #8)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 02:34 PM

Star Member hlthe2b (83,392 posts)

11. Here is a post of my own that includes an embedded tweet

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=2288164

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #2)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 02:29 PM

floppyboo (2,461 posts)

6. I would be totally cool with someone posting the tweet and not the link

otherwise, it seems like the poster is just re-directing you to another group.

Is it difficult to copy paste from a tweet? I didn't think that would be a problem.

Is it cool to re-direct to other 'chats' that are un-Democratic?

This seems to be a cheat around all the rules that keep this place civil.

Sowing division.

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Response to floppyboo (Reply #6)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 02:31 PM

Star Member hlthe2b (83,392 posts)

7. It is content on DU which is juried not content elsewhere.

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Wed Mar 20, 2019, 02:33 PM

floppyboo (2,461 posts)

10. so if the content is posted to DU, then it can be juried here? nt

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Response to floppyboo (Reply #10)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 02:36 PM

Star Member hlthe2b (83,392 posts)

13. If what is posted breaks the TOS rules for the site, yes, but again context is everything.

There is generally no rule against deriding RW comments against Dems in a post that includes an example. That could cross the line if there was some intent to disrupt with it, however.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #13)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 02:42 PM

floppyboo (2,461 posts)

14. what about deriding LW comments against some Dems?

That is more my experience here. Although I wouldn't call them LW. More centrist.

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Response to floppyboo (Reply #14)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 02:45 PM

Star Member hlthe2b (83,392 posts)

15. well, it is against the rules to attack (not just criticize) but attack DEMS, but I'd try to be sure

the post wasn't merely including comments critical of one or more candidates, for instance.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #15)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 02:48 PM

floppyboo (2,461 posts)

16. But this is exactly the problem I'm having!

The comments are more often than not 100% critical, and would NEVER be allowed here. It's like its become a proxy way of subverting the rules.

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Response to floppyboo (Reply #16)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 02:55 PM

Star Member hlthe2b (83,392 posts)

17. Well, you could include some posts/links to recent posts in a question to 'Ask the Administrators'

and ask them to weigh in. I've not seen (or at least I don't think I have) what you describe.

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Wed Mar 20, 2019, 03:10 PM

floppyboo (2,461 posts)

18. I have asked a # of questions. 2 months and waiting...

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Response to floppyboo (Reply #6)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 02:32 PM

Star Member tblue37 (45,072 posts)

9. If people don't remove the "mobile." from the link, they just get the link, not

The embedded tweet.

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #9)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 02:36 PM

floppyboo (2,461 posts)

12. this makes sense to me, as I don't have a phone and have to go through some steps

to read them. So, there is no way of knowing if they are just posting the initial tweet or are just redirecting you to a hate site if the poster doesn't remove the "mobile"?

question: shouldn't there be a way to disallow using mobile links if they are potentially (and inadvertently is some cases I assume) leading to hateful comments?

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Response to floppyboo (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 03:20 PM

floppyboo (2,461 posts)

20. Is the new question in the age of twitter: What is a moderated site?

Everywhere you go is filled with divisive crap. You think you are coming to a safe place for some optimism about moving forward with democratic principles, but by the very nature of online discussion and links and hyperlinks, you are outside and flailing like most of the media who got 45 elected.

Crises!

Is staying on track staying in a safe-like bubble? I'm beginning to think - YES. We all need a place to come together in common purpose.

This Democratic Underground is in danger of being undermined by unmoderated opinion that does not make the cause for equality and fairness.

I'm getting really sad and scared about the future. This was an oasis of positivity.

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Response to floppyboo (Reply #20)

Sun Apr 14, 2019, 07:34 PM

PeeJ52 (1,588 posts)

27. You want to be in a bubble? Do you think that is possible? Do you think that is wise?

 

Too many people living in a "bubble", for too long is what got us in the position we are in today. Whether you like to acknowledge it or not, it may be too late.

I apologize if I've stepped into something where I shouldn't be stepping. This safe zone thing astounds me. There is no safe zone. Everyone is a little different, thank God. We can't think EXACTLY alike.

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Response to floppyboo (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 04:00 PM

Star Member msongs (58,949 posts)

21. maybe, well not maybe, there should be a forum where all tweets are posted nt

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Fri Mar 22, 2019, 10:43 AM

floppyboo (2,461 posts)

23. I like that idea!

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Response to floppyboo (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 04:29 PM

Star Member Ptah (30,519 posts)

22. Let DU members decide.

Alert on the post and send it to a jury.

Political

Support Democrats

Don't bash Democratic public figures

Don't peddle right-wing talking points, smears, or sources

Don't keep fighting the last Democratic presidential primary



Don't peddle right-wing talking points, smears, or sources. Do not
post right-wing talking points or smears. Do not post content sourced
from right-wing publications, authors, or pundits. Exceptions are permitted
if you provide a clear reason for doing so that is consistent with the
values of this website.

Why we have this rule: News media and the Internet are already awash
with conservative propagandists attacking our candidates and our values --
we're not interested in providing them with another outlet. We understand
that many of our members might hold some conservative viewpoints on
isolated issues, but nobody here should be parroting hateful garbage from
the RNC, the NRA, or the Family Research Council. Forum members should
expect that the only time they'll have to read a right-wing smear or an article
from Breitbart is when someone is pointing and laughing at it.

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Response to floppyboo (Original post)

Wed Mar 27, 2019, 04:54 AM

lunasmithiam (3 posts)

24. high level of discussion

Could not understand about this topic and discussion I think it is a high level of discussion about this topic and all of them here seniors. Please, can anyone describe it with some examples and simple way?

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Sun Apr 14, 2019, 06:43 PM

Star Member Kurt V. (5,624 posts)

26. great question. i hope we get an answer. k & r

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Response to floppyboo (Original post)

Sun Apr 14, 2019, 07:46 PM

PeeJ52 (1,588 posts)

28. I'm not understanding... Do we not want to comment on what they post? Do we not want to...

 

have a unified counter argument to their hate? It seems you're saying you don't want people to bring examples of outrageous right wing crap to criticize, or discuss, or counter, or pick apart, or rant, or scream, or just have a friend to console you because it pisses you off so much. Is that what you're talking about?

I know I was outraged by tRump pinning that crap Ilhan/9-11 video to his twitter feed for a day. I posted about it. I didn't post the tweet or even link it. The first person who hits the post... Do you have a link? Jeebus.. it's the Preznit's twitter... google it. this person has over 50,000 posts too. OK.. I guess I'm supposed to post. So I do. Is that what you're talking about? You don't like that?

It seems like every time I post or comment about a false or nasty tweet or right wing comment, the first reply I get is, got a link? These are long time users to... with thousands of posts. Are they setting me up? LOL.. I don't know.......

Anyway, like I said above, if you're looking to be in a bubble. good luck with that. Also, let me repeat, too many people living in a bubble for too long is what got us in the condition we are today.

OUT!

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Response to PeeJ52 (Reply #28)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 12:45 PM

floppyboo (2,461 posts)

29. Ya - that's part of what I'm talking about

It's like passive aggressive right-wing trolling.

And no, I don't want to stay in a bubble, but I also don't want to click on some twitter link and have hateful, uninformed crap in my face. I can hear that anytime on MSM as they comment on 45's tweets.

If I can get my posts pulled for including an Intercept link, because Stein, Putin, take your pick, I think if you want to have rules here - have rules and stick to them.

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Response to floppyboo (Reply #29)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 12:59 PM

PeeJ52 (1,588 posts)

30. In my opinion, that's a bad rule. It's usually enforced by mob rule...

 

There's this thing called mobbing, where a popular person will pick on someone that isn't so popular, and a person will see that the popular person has picked on that unknown, so they will pick on them so to gain favor with the popular person. It soon grows so that others see what's happening and they want to become popular so they pile on. It's a well known social reaction. Happens a lot in the workplace to high performing introverts. Happens a lot in the online community too. So these rules you speak of, are really only guidelines, because they aren't really enforced fairly. It really depends upon who gets mad. If it get's reported to someone who resents someone standing up to authority, then they get hammered. If it gets reported to someone who appreciates independent thought, it usually passes, unless it's clearly abusive.

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Tue Apr 16, 2019, 01:12 PM

floppyboo (2,461 posts)

32. thanks for the insights.

Good food for thought. So, do you need rules to help prevent mobbing? That, I think, is what was intended by the TOS. But again - this reposting of right wing tweets seems to get around those rules. Sorry if I sound like I'm repeating myself. I'm probably years away from making my point clear even to myself.
edit: i mean, guidelines for the rules. sounds like censorship - but that is what a closed group is, no?

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Tue Apr 16, 2019, 01:05 PM

floppyboo (2,461 posts)

31. more...

So, posting a tweet, which is like posting a quote, in itself should be no problem at all, so long as it isn't hateful, or is reposted here on DU to point out its waywardness. But if you take a screen shot, and that screen shot includes a bunch of comments that clearly break the rules here, and the person re-posting that screen shot is goin' on like: "hey - look at this quote which proves my point" but its pretty obvious by the 'out-of-contextedness' of the quote, and especially by the comments, which are part of the picture that they are posting that the post in its entirety is no worse than allowing right wing neo-con shit to stand here.

And god forbid that you comment on it for fear of being of accused of attacking the poster rather than what they posted! Oy! There was a time when you had to take responsibility for this kind of thing.

Guess ol' 45 has broke the mold. His mission in part has been accomplished. Throw some stars and money up, and then blame it on the original. Bullshit.

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