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Tue Nov 8, 2016, 12:16 PM

The alt-right and its misogynistic roots in the pickup artist community.

WARNING: The contents of this post may be extremely disturbing to some.

This past weekend, I was reading this extremely disturbing article:

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/10/31/trolls-for-trump

which talks about how pickup artists (a pathetic group of misogynistic losers who pride themselves on treating women like dirt) has become politically engaged and is supporting Trump, using standard trolling tactics to promote Trump online.

Nowadays, the blog is mostly a platform for pro-Trump spin, but at first it was about how to pick up women. Its name comes from Nietzsche. (“The true man wants two things: danger and play. For that reason he wants woman, as the most dangerous plaything.”) Early posts included “Misogyny Gets You Laid” and “When Should You Compliment a Woman?” (Answer: “During or after sex.”)

(snip)

Pro-Trump activism channelled several of Cernovich’s interests: he could hurt a feminist’s chances of becoming President, associate himself with the year’s top story, and deploy brawler methods on behalf of someone who is even more ruthless online than he is.

Here is another article about it (note that "PUA" stands for "pick up artist"):

http://www.salon.com/2016/06/04/pickup_artists_dont_just_sound_like_trump_they_worship_the_very_ground_he_walks_on/

The alliance between Trump and the pickup artist community runs far deeper than a few rhetorical similarities. On the contrary, there is a deep ideological link between pickup artists and Trump. They share a reductionist view of society, one where all human relations are viewed in terms of dominance and submission, where every interaction — even sex — is about one party “winning” and the other “losing.” It’s a worldview that leads quite naturally to being incredibly sexist, treating women not as people to relate to, but objects to conquer and own.

(snip)

“Trump is, in many ways, their ideal alpha male, an arrogant, deliberately obnoxious asshole who treats women like shit but has a former model more than twenty years his junior as a wife,” Futrelle told me over email. “It doesn’t hurt that she’s Eastern European; PUAs like Roosh Valizadeh contend that American women are basically spoiled by too much feminism, and see Eastern European women, by contrast, as relatively unspoiled.”

Pickup artists like Daryush Valizadeh, who goes by the name “Roosh” to publish his “Bang” series of books purporting to teach men how to have sex with women in various countries, and James C. Weidmann, who goes by the ridiculous name Heartiste, absolutely adore Trump. In him, they see a kindred spirit, a man who believes women exist to be submissive and flattering and provide sex and have no value outside of that.

These losers assign numbers to women based on their "desirability", just like Trump does; no wonder they like Trump so much.

https://thinkinggirl.wordpress.com/2007/01/29/professional-pick-up-artists-run-woman-tricking-business-to-help-guys-get-laid/

She believes she uncovered a pick-up artist on a date last year. “We were at a bar just talking and it became quite obvious that this guy had a method,” she says. “He was very smooth, very attentive, very focused on the conversation like there was no one else in the room.

“But when I challenged him he was quite honest with me — he told me how he has a particular way of picking up women, that he usually picks them up just for sex, that he would never go for somebody who’s not a ‘9’ or a ’10’ on a scale of 1-10.

“He said to me ‘you’re not a 9 or a 10 but, I don’t know, I was intrigued’.”

A classic “neg”, but Sarah wasn’t biting. So the PUA went for broke and suggested to Sarah that she might like a slot on his “sexual roster”.

Every young woman out there should be familiar with the tricks of these pickup artists. They will try to prey on you using the most disgusting psychological tactics. Do not fall for it. You are smarter than these losers, and knowledge is power.

http://elitedaily.com/women/signs-youre-talking-to-pick-artist/854610/

Promoting strategies of manipulation, and trivializing something as important and necessary as consent, feeds rape culture, which is the bigger problem.

Some lonely, sex-starved man listening to a self-righteous, 25-year-old pipsqueak will feel that he is allowed to manipulate and abuse women in order to have sex with them.

(snip)

Hence, why women need to be aware, and also why women have more power to end its prevalence than men do.

Accepting emotional or physical abuse of any kind perpetuates this cycle and gives men the message that it's not only effective, but also acceptable.

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Tue Nov 22, 2016, 09:24 AM

2. What is scary is the women who fall for it

That are trained somehow that they have no better way to be treated.

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Tue Nov 8, 2016, 01:44 PM

6. Evil

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