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Sat Apr 19, 2014, 11:44 AM

 

Can Hillary Clinton Count on Women This Time?

by Keli Goff Apr 19, 2014 5:45 am EDT

They famously supported her in 2008—until they helped Obama win Iowa. So will the grandmother-to-be inspire female voters next cycle, or will they judge her on a harsher scale?


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Reply Can Hillary Clinton Count on Women This Time? (Original post)
CFLDem Apr 2014 OP
yeoman6987 Apr 2014 #1
CFLDem Apr 2014 #2
ismnotwasm Apr 2014 #3
DURHAM D Apr 2014 #4
lululu Apr 2014 #5
DURHAM D Apr 2014 #6
ismnotwasm Apr 2014 #9
lululu Apr 2014 #23
Scuba Apr 2014 #7
DURHAM D Apr 2014 #10
Scuba Apr 2014 #20
ismnotwasm Apr 2014 #11
JI7 Apr 2014 #19
Scuba Apr 2014 #21
JI7 Apr 2014 #22
Scuba Apr 2014 #24
Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2014 #8
SamKnause Apr 2014 #12
PassingFair Apr 2014 #13
ismnotwasm Apr 2014 #14
redqueen Apr 2014 #15
charmay Apr 2014 #16
eridani Apr 2014 #17
DURHAM D Apr 2014 #18

Response to CFLDem (Original post)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 11:47 AM

1. Let's hope

 

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Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #1)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 11:48 AM

2. Same here.

 

I hope we have the first all woman ticket this year with Hillary and Warren.

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Response to CFLDem (Original post)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 11:55 AM

3. I hope so

That shit about "can she be a grandmother and president" is an example of the bullshit she's going to have to fend off

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Response to CFLDem (Original post)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 11:58 AM

4. Marcia Dyson is correct -

“We judge based on our own narrow biases and lack of self-esteem.” Women “portray our own inadequacies on her: ‘[Hillary] couldn’t do it because I couldn’t even think to do it’ [run for president].’”


Many women do not like women who dare to compete as it makes them feel inadequate.

Screw that.



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Response to CFLDem (Original post)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 12:34 PM

5. No.

 

Hillary is a warmonger. I would never vote for her.

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Response to lululu (Reply #5)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 12:40 PM

6. Did you vote for Obama?

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #6)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 12:47 PM

9. +1

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #6)

Sun Apr 20, 2014, 07:37 PM

23. yes, and was quite disappointed.

 

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Response to CFLDem (Original post)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 12:42 PM

7. The Democratic women I know are too savvy to vote for someone just 'cause she's a woman. Policy ...

 

... not gender, is what matters.

And Hillary's policies are too much like a white, male Republican for many.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #7)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 12:49 PM

10. So your savvy female friends will vote for Rand Paul?

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #10)

Sun Apr 20, 2014, 08:46 AM

20. Not hardly.

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #7)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 12:52 PM

11. The article does (kind of) albeit indirectly that perception

While a new Fox News poll finds the 2016 presidential race is Clinton’s to lose—she leaves Vice President Joe Biden in the dust in a primary matchup and beats all other Republican contenders, albeit by a smaller margin—women voters are really a wild card. Many forget that Barack Obama’s presidential hopes went from long shot to real shot after an Iowa victory over Clinton that was due not only to young voters but also to women.

Of course women voters are not required to support a female candidate, but in Clinton’s case, if they don’t support her, and in strong numbers, she has a tougher path to victory. Risa Heller, a communications consultant who has worked with Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY), among other politicians, said Clinton winning the White House would be a “watershed moment for women.” Calling the “Girls” conversation “brilliant,” Heller said: “She as a female candidate for president should be able to captivate women. I think the idea behind what they are doing right now is allowing her to talk to all kinds of women. Theoretically, they should be her base.”

But asked whether women voters are harder on other women and that’s why certain female candidates, including failed New York City mayoral hopeful Christine Quinn, are unable to captivate women voters, Heller said women are held to different standards—by both men and women. “I think women facing female voters or male voters feel in a lot of ways they have more to prove,” she said. “I think that’s just the way the world works.”

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Response to Scuba (Reply #7)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 07:48 PM

19. she has the support of most dem women and men right now

 

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Response to JI7 (Reply #19)

Sun Apr 20, 2014, 08:47 AM

21. Ignorance is bliss.

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #21)

Sun Apr 20, 2014, 05:24 PM

22. so most of the party is ignorant ?

 

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Response to JI7 (Reply #22)

Sun Apr 20, 2014, 08:35 PM

24. We're all ignorant in that there's much, much more that we don't know than we do.

 

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Response to CFLDem (Original post)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 12:42 PM

8. Has she announced/declared her candidacy?

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Response to CFLDem (Original post)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 12:54 PM

12. Hillary Clinton

can not count on this 60 year old woman voting for her.

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Response to SamKnause (Reply #12)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 01:13 PM

13. Nor I.

I will stay home if she gets the party's nomination.

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Response to CFLDem (Original post)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 01:47 PM

14. Here's the thing

(kinda addressing a few things here)

Until George W. Bush, I was a Socialist voter. Never voted for Bill Clinton, for instance. I realized we had a system that didn't allow for support my political views, but I didn't care.

Know when I changed? When that disgusting, Rotting. piece. of. shit. Bush actually got the nomination Not when he stole the election or the wars I already knew he'd start-- I knew a thing or two about him see.

After that it was democrat in everything but local elections and it's still about 99%---we actually have a socialist on the city council now--

I'm going to vote for the Democratic nominee. As of now, if she choices to run, I prefer Clinton. I understand her voting record isn't stellar. I also understand she's done a lot of good, and has the experience and political connections to be a game changer in American politics. I'm not going to argue about her here.

I will never, ever stay home, or waste my vote by writing in "Micky Mouse" or any of that bullshit. The horror of realizing that a creature like Bush got even close to being considered as a presidential candidate will never leave me. I'm no nationalist, but America has the potential to stop exporting American values and try for finding human commonality and cooperative problem solving. That's part of what I'm looking for in a world leader.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #14)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 01:52 PM

15. Excellent points.

Well said.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #14)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 02:09 PM

16. I totally agree.

I remember being happy when Bush got the nomination. I didn't think that anyone in their right mind would vote for him. Enduring 8 years of Bush will make me vote for the democratic candidate even if that candidate is not my first, second or whatever choice.

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Response to CFLDem (Original post)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 03:42 PM

17. Only if she's the nominee

Not at all enthusiastic about Keystone XL, TPP, welfare deform, saber-rattling over Iran, etc.

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Response to eridani (Reply #17)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 04:01 PM

18. Indeed - I hated her Senate vote on all of those things.

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ETA: Organizations I hate also don't like her. Organizations I like (NARAL as an example) really like her votes -

http://votesmart.org/candidate/evaluations/55463/hillary-clinton#.U1LWf9JDtJu

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