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Sun Nov 24, 2013, 01:24 AM

Ssshhhh, No one let anyone in GD know: 88% of pornography contains physical aggression.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20980228

Aggression and sexual behavior in best-selling pornography videos: a content analysis update.
Bridges AJ, Wosnitzer R, Scharrer E, Sun C, Liberman R.
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University of Arkansas, Fayetteville, AR 72701, USA. abridges@uark.edu


This is a really important study involved in the coding of characteristics in pornography. Which isn't exactly a hugely popular field to participate in. Establishing causality seems to be the ultimate goal of many researchers. But coding is fundamentally necessary to properly analyze the specific characteristics of pornography.

The study defines aggression in the following manner:

Aggression. Aggressive acts were recorded according to two specific subtypes: verbal and physical. Physically aggressive acts were (a) pushing or shoving; (b) biting; (c) pinching; (d) pulling hair; (e) spanking; (f) open-hand slapping; (g) gagging (defined as when an object or body part, e.g., penis, hand, or sex toy, is inserted into a character’s mouth, visibly obstruct- ing breathing); (h) choking (when one character visibly places his or her hands around another character’s throat with applied pressure); (i) threatening with weapon; (j) kicking; (k) closed- fist punching; (l) bondage or confining; (m) using weapons; and (n) torturing, mutilating, or attempting murder. Verbally aggressive acts were (a) name calling or insulting and (b) threat- ening physical harm. Coders indicated whether each scene contained verbal aggression (yes/ no) and physical aggression (yes/no).


Aggression

On the whole, the pornographic scenes analyzed in this study were aggressive; only 10.2% (n = 31) of scenes did not contain an aggressive act. Across all scenes, a total of 3,375 verbally and physically aggressive acts were observed (Table 1). Of these, 632 were coded as instances of verbal aggression and 2,743 were coded as instances of physical aggression. On average, scenes had 11.52 acts of either verbal or physical aggression (SD = 15.04) and ranged from none to 128. Physical aggression (M = 9.31, SD = 12.30) was much more common than verbal aggression (M = 2.13, SD = 4.01), occurring in 88.2% (n = 268) of the scenes, whereas expressions of verbal aggression occurred in 48.7% (n = 148) of the scenes. By far, the most common verbally aggressive act was name calling (e.g., “bitch,” “slut”; n = 614, or 97.2% of all 632 verbally aggressive acts). Spanking (35.7% of physically aggressive acts; n = 980), gagging (27.7%; n = 759), and open-hand slapping (14.9%; n = 408) were the most frequently observed physically aggressive acts. Other physically aggressive acts recorded included hair- pulling (10.1%; n = 276), choking (6.7%; n = 184), and bondage or confinement (1.1%; n = 30).

None of the scenes showed characters who threatened one another with a weapon, hit one another with a closed fist, or tortured and mutilated each other.

Women were overwhelmingly the targets of aggressive acts (Table 2). Across all acts of aggression, both physical and verbal, 94.4% (n = 3,191) were directed toward women. Men were the perpetrators of aggression more than twice as often as women, committing 70.3% (n = 2,373) of the aggressive acts recorded. In contrast, women were perpetrators of 29.4% (n = 991) of all aggressive acts. Even when women were perpetrators, their targets were frequently other women (17.7%; n = 598). Men were targets of only 4.2% (n = 143) of aggressive acts perpetrated by women. Male-to-male aggression was present in only 0.3% (n = 11) of the recorded instances and was most often verbal (only 4 instances of physical aggression with a male perpetrator and a male target were recorded).

There were significant differences in the types of aggressive acts males and females experienced, χ2(13) = 234.51, p < .001. Women were significantly more likely to be spanked, choked, and gagged than men. Aggregately speaking across the sample spectrum, women were verbally insulted or referred to in derogatory terms 534 times, whereas men experienced similar verbal assaults in only 65 instances. Women were spanked on 953 occasions, visibly gagged 756 times, experienced an open-hand slap 361 times, had their hair pulled or yanked on 267 separate occasions, and were choked 180 times. Men, however, were spanked only 26 times, experienced an open-hand slap in 47 instances, and for all other aggressive acts, were aggressed against fewer than 10 times.

When aggressed against, 95.1% (n = 3,206) of targets responded with either expressions of pleasure (e.g., encouragement, sexual moans) or neutrally (e.g., no change in facial expres- sion or interruption to actions). There was a significant difference between female and male target responses to aggressive acts, χ2(1) = 51.31, p < .001. Women were significantly more likely to express pleasure or neutrality when aggressed against (95.9%; n = 3,049) than men (84.0%; n = 147). In contrast, men were four times more likely to show displeasure when aggressed against (16.0%, n = 28) compared with women (4.1%; n = 132).






Positive Behaviors

A total of 9.9% (n = 30) of scenes analyzed contained positive behaviors. Most of the positive behaviors observed were kissing, but laughing, embracing, caressing, verbal compliments, and statements of “making love” or “I love you” were also noted. Scenes that contained positive behaviors were significantly less likely to contain aggression. On average, scenes with positive behaviors contained 4.00 acts of aggression (SD = 5.04), whereas scenes without contained three times this amount (M = 12.36, SD = 15.56), t(110.88) = 6.31, p < .001.


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Reply Ssshhhh, No one let anyone in GD know: 88% of pornography contains physical aggression. (Original post)
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Response to Gravitycollapse (Original post)

Sun Nov 24, 2013, 01:28 AM

1. That's why misogynists watch it

They despise women and enjoy seeing them beaten. It's not very complicated.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 24, 2013, 01:32 AM

2. I probably should have just posted this study in GD.

I will admit I was not aware of the connection between my source and the Witherspoon Institute. That is indeed rather problematic and I completely doomed my OP the moment I included that paper analysis.

I spoke to my partner who is far better versed on relevant research and she told me there are no trust worthy studies reliably establishing a connection between violent pornography and violence against women.

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Response to Gravitycollapse (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 24, 2013, 01:34 AM

3. Really?

Why is that? What's the problem with the research?

(So did you guys get back together or is this someone new?)

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 24, 2013, 01:44 AM

6. jensen has a lot of info. i do not think he is connected anywhere but UT maybe. i will check

 

him out tomorrow.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 24, 2013, 01:49 AM

7. The suspicion is that it's almost impossible to establish causal links...

when discussing diffuse, nearly invisible aspects of society.


And, yes, we have gotten back together. I've been informed by many this was a bad idea. Only time will tell.

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Response to Gravitycollapse (Reply #7)

Sun Nov 24, 2013, 02:08 AM

11. If you're happy, I'm happy for you

Can't they do psychological testing to show how watching violent porn desensitizes people to violence? That should be easy to establish.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 25, 2013, 09:48 PM

45. Yep!

But it's all about me, me, me and my whack off material. And if you go after their porn, you are a sex-hating harpie.

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Response to Gravitycollapse (Original post)

Sun Nov 24, 2013, 01:42 AM

4. heard 87% from jensen and a couple other sources, but hey. i will go with 88%. did you get approval

 

from the mens group with your source. because if the person has ever celebrated christmas or stepped into a church, even for a wedding, it is not allowed. oh, or if the woman is not attractive, bad source.

anyway... thanks. will read and get back to it tomorrow. kit has an Op i want to read also.

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Sun Nov 24, 2013, 01:42 AM

5. That is absolutely horrible.

I had no idea and I simply can't understand why that behavior is interesting. Forgive me for not reading the link but there was enough info for me in the OP. Only one question remains for me and maybe you could fill me in... where and from what was the pool of material derived that was used for this study? Was it random? or selected from specific types or sources? There is so much of that crap out there, how did they figure out what to put in the study?

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Response to defacto7 (Reply #5)

Sun Nov 24, 2013, 01:56 AM

8. Here's what the study says...

Evidence From Prior Content Analyses

The closest parallels to the research at hand are previous content analyses of adult videos. Other media forms used to distribute pornography have also been subject to content analysis, including magazines (Malamuth & Spinner, 1980; Matacin & Burger, 1987; Scott & Cuvelier, 1993) and the Internet (Gossett & Byrne, 2002). Yet we focus here on studies that have explored the content of pornographic videos available for purchase or rental, as the present study was of adult videos only.


Method of Sampling

Content analyses of pornographic videos oftentimes have used sampling methods of conve- nience, limiting their generalizability. Some studies have selected movies from only one adult video locale (Duncan, 1991; Yang & Linz, 1990). Others have used multiple adult movie rental stores and popular rental lists but continued to be bound by geographic location (Cowan et al., 1988). In an attempt to overcome geographic limitations, some researchers have used local branches of national rental chains (Monk-Turner & Purcell, 1999). Only one recent content analysis sampled best-selling adult videos from two mail order international catalogs (McKee, 2005). Sampling adult videos from lists of popular titles is particularly clever if the content analysis aims to describe what most people view, although more specific genres may be explored for other reasons.

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Response to Gravitycollapse (Reply #8)

Sun Nov 24, 2013, 02:17 AM

12. Thanks for filling me in.

Unfortunately, it gives supply and demand a wider definition. I still don't get how anyone could get into violence for pleasure... puzzling. I suppose it has an ancient source in human instinct that I missed somewhere but sexual anthropology (made that up) is not my strong suit.

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Response to defacto7 (Reply #12)

Sun Nov 24, 2013, 02:26 AM

15. or could it simply be the human nature of power over another? that seems much more likely to me

 

than sexual anthropology. seems to have progressed to this state in just a mere decade or so.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #15)

Sun Nov 24, 2013, 02:54 AM

16. That makes sense.

If in just a mere decade or so, that would lead me to think of Internet availability as a major contributor exacerbating the problem as opposed to ?abnormal/normal/subnormal? social changes. Ten years plus or minus could pin it more specifically.

As for human nature of power over another... I think that could be classified as ancient characteristics. Species do evolve in social practices that effect genetics and mimetics for better of worse. Wherever the violent expectation and desire came from, I seriously doubt it's going to help humankind's survival in the future. I don't think humans who are trying to build a gentler future would loose the battle in the long term if we hold to standards that promote peace and loving behavior and hold strong to those standards whatever the means.

My idealistic side. But I stand by it.

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Response to defacto7 (Reply #16)

Sun Nov 24, 2013, 03:14 AM

17. what is interesting

 

is just a couple decades ago, prior to the net, porn use what really a very small number of users, comparatively. so this whole garbage that it is just natural for man, is poppycock. when it was not readily available, it was not used. cant be much of a need, in that.

and.... i am very much a believer it starts with self and ripples out. the more that work toward, the more we will accomplish.

defacto. been kinda down the last couple days with these threads. it is good to hear your idealistic side.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #17)

Sun Nov 24, 2013, 03:37 AM

18. seabeyond, I also have been down the last couple of days

with a lot of threads. Thanks for the encouragement.

Another thing that comes to mind concerning your mentioning the "it is just natural for man poppycock". I read some stats last year of testosterone in men historically. I read that men of my grandfathers generation(1890 to 1930) averaged 50% more testosterone than men of today. Men of my great grandfathers day (1860 -) had 2 times the testosterone as men today and the levels stay that high or higher for generations preceding. Men's testosterone levels have and continue to drop dramatically which says to me that the "nature of men" proclivity toward overpowering and control is not connected to his chemical nature at all but social factors alone. The availability of porn would fit in that slot of behavior change pretty well.

on edit: it sound like I contradicted my previous post but I don't think I did if social changes are changes in the availability of porn materials stated in the latter post.

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Response to Gravitycollapse (Original post)

Sun Nov 24, 2013, 01:57 AM

9. And 95% of the responses were pleasure..

 

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Response to pipoman (Reply #9)

Sun Nov 24, 2013, 02:00 AM

10. Part of the reason why it's such a fucked up statistic is that physical violence...

is depicted as welcomed by the female stars.

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Response to Gravitycollapse (Reply #10)

Sun Nov 24, 2013, 02:25 AM

14. And there you see the problem

Some men want to believe that's really how to please women. Or men who think women can orgasm from breast stimulation. They have to get that wacky idea from porn. It sure isn't from anatomy class.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #14)

Sun Nov 24, 2013, 03:50 AM

19. I WISH men learned what to do in anatomy class.

But anatomy classes don't really discuss the clitoris and what to do with it.

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Response to pipoman (Reply #9)

Sun Nov 24, 2013, 02:22 AM

13. You do know that is how they are told to respond

Not what they actually feel.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #13)

Sun Nov 24, 2013, 09:18 AM

32. Yep, I get that it is an act on porn,

 

at the same time, without getting too personal, there are absolutely (in my case half of my long term lovers) women who do enjoy some form of being dominated. There are also absolutely some women who like to dominate. On a personal level, neither is really my thing. I am a believer in discussion with lovers about their likes and dislikes, then trying to accommodate their wishes. If the wishes are completely contrary to my own, it is a sign that we may not be well suited for each other..but I always entered new relationships with an open mind..ultimately spending my life with a woman who is perfect for me..

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Response to pipoman (Reply #32)

Sun Nov 24, 2013, 02:36 PM

37. Everyone knows that

That'a quite a separate thing from rape and rape porn, or thinking women who are paid or coerced to perform in a certain way actually derive pleasure from it.

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Sun Nov 24, 2013, 03:58 AM

20. So very disheartening!

this should be over in GD.

Thanks for posting.

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Response to last1standing (Reply #21)

Sun Nov 24, 2013, 04:39 AM

23. I don't think you realize this is a study of pornography, not sex lives.

The 95% pleasure response is acting.

Spanking and gagging, especially the latter, is absolutely physical aggression.

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Response to Gravitycollapse (Reply #23)

Sun Nov 24, 2013, 05:03 AM

25. Remember the "I know hookers" guy?

Who thought the sex workers really, really enjoyed being with him. In fact they adored him. This is part two of the same type of delusion. The woman in the porn flick liked having the shit beat out of her, therefore violence against women is not only acceptable, but pleasurable to 95% of them. "Really. I saw it in a porno."

Before they said porn was all "fiction," "simulated." Now it justifies violence against women because 95% feel pleasure. They are making the very argument they rejected earlier today.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #25)

Mon Nov 25, 2013, 02:32 AM

39. Was there seriously a guy who thought prostitutes genuinely enjoyed his company?

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Response to Gravitycollapse (Reply #39)

Mon Nov 25, 2013, 03:50 AM

41. A hilarious thread

He's since been PPR'd. Enjoy.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022950178

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #41)

Mon Nov 25, 2013, 04:16 AM

43. I've never seen a sex worker who wasn't sadly, clearly an addict.

If Uzair feels like coming to AZ, I can bring him to Van Buren Ave. downtown and he can see what it's like to be a prostitute around her.

He seems to have forgotten the role of pimps, as well. As if prostitutes are just small business owners. No, they are pimped out by an abusive father figure or gangs or even other drug addicts. Many of these women are experiencing the darkest time in their lives. They need to be liberated from a slavery of the body and mind, not thrust into a world where such slavery is legal.

I mean, for fuck's sake. Oy. People like that assume a reality that simply doesn't exist. Even if we could have prostitution free of all the monstrosities that currently exist, the wholesale auctioning off of one's sexual identity is a nasty business fraught with all sorts of problems associated with the insistence that money be at the root of all human interaction.

It's just all fucked. Everything is fucked.

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Response to Gravitycollapse (Reply #43)

Mon Nov 25, 2013, 04:29 AM

44. They invent a fantasy

To justify the fact they don't give a shit about the working conditions or lives of sex workers. It's all about justifying whatever they want to do. Did you see the link for the guy you were talking to who insisted we in here aren't real feminists because we don't want women to have choice?

Do you ever hear them going on about the "choices" of Walmart workers to work in their dream job? No. It's all a labored invention to excuse their misogyny. And when confronted with the fact some are enslaved, they say "slavery is already illegal." Sure it's illegal, but rape porn consumers subsidize it, and they could care less if they are getting off to women raped and beaten against their will. In fact, that's a major draw for porn consumers, which is why pornographers bill the crap as real. That's what their viewers want to believe.

As for the guy in the "I know prostitutes thread," he was pathetic. Who believes they are really into you? Good lord.

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Response to Gravitycollapse (Reply #39)

Mon Nov 25, 2013, 09:51 PM

46. God, they really are delusional, aren't they?

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Response to last1standing (Reply #26)

Sun Nov 24, 2013, 08:38 AM

31. If it's simulated, how have you then made some major proclamation that 95% of women

find pain pleasurable?

Have you even looked at this porn? The more I read, I feel quite certain I know far more about this than you do. You have no idea what you're defending. You need to do a google search with the safe filter off.

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Response to last1standing (Reply #21)

Sun Nov 24, 2013, 04:57 AM

24. You believe a woman experiences pleasure

because a porn actress pretends she does? Reminds me of the guy that thought that the prostitutes he knew were really into him. You all sure are funny. A porn star or hooker makes you think she's getting off, so it must be real. It's amazing how much some people reveal about themselves.

You do not get the most basic point here: Porn eroticizes violence and convinces its viewers than 95% of women enjoy having pain inflicted on them. That is very clearly far from the typical human experience. That you think it is exemplifies perfectly the arguments feminists made earlier today. You think you're laughing at Gravity Collapse, but what you're really doing is exposing how clueless you are about female sexuality.

This is HOF. Here is the SOP:
The History of Feminism group serves as a safe haven to discuss, and learn the history of feminism. Apply the lessons of historical and modern day feminist struggles to current issues and events that impact women. This group will also serve as safe haven for women (and supporters of feminism) to openly and honestly discuss and learn how the patriarchy affects women individually and collectively.


Note that no where does it say it's a place for men to come argue that women supposedly get off by having the shit beat out of them because it appears in a porn flick. HOF welcomes men who like women and support the goals of the group. You do not fit the SOP.

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Response to last1standing (Reply #27)

Sun Nov 24, 2013, 07:33 AM

28. Women are empowered, but not allowed to choose to be free from violence

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Because men find it erotic and you think 95% of women do because you saw it in a porno.

That porn isn't about light spanking. That is pure bullshit. I did a Google Search yesterday and found ads for "Indian gang rape, " "drunk girls raped," "military women raped," "basement sex" with women locked in cellars, a la Ariel Castro. That is geared for men who see a report of a woman gang raped and killed in India and think, "that sounds hot, I need to find some porn for that." Those were the first ads that came up when I did a search for rape porn, meaning they were the moist popular results. No one is stupid enough to believe that porn is about "light spanking." And really, I could care less what anyone you have sex with wants. Why you think your sex life has any relevance here, I can't begin to imagine. Except you are determined to use it to justify rape porn, and not just porn, actual real life violence that women like me are supposed to find erotic because you saw it in a porno.

You claim you see women are empowered individuals, yet you are here insisting that we in this safe haven group have no right to be free from your efforts to justify violence, not just in porn, but in our lives. How is it that this so called respect you have for "empowered women" only applies to those who are targets of male violence and not those of us who insist we will not have that in our lives? You don't respect women's choices. You insist women behave as you want. You have come here to ridicule women who have the audacity to not want to be beaten for male pleasure and don't welcome the active propagation of rape culture.

I'm a hypocrite because I don't want to revisit the rape and domestic battery I've experienced in my life. But the porno you saw said women enjoy pain, so I should what. . . lay back and enjoy it? You know everything there is to know about women, enough to determine my rights and choices inconsequential.

You of course wouldn't be a hypocrite for having a post in your journal about labor rights yet giving not one iota of concerns for the rights of the women in porn. When faced with something important such as your sexual excitement, their working conditions no longer are relevant. They choose that work, just like Walmart workers choose to go hungry on Thanksgiving. They choose to be beaten all day long, just factory workers choose to incur injuries on the job. Women in porn choose to incur STDs, just like coal miners choose to develop black lung. Except of course when the women don't choose, when millions of them are trafficked, enslaved for sex work and porn. But you don't worry about the enslaved or workers rights. It's all a matter of choice. They could, after all, risk their lives to escape slavery. They could commit suicide, and the women that do consent to that work could always starve instead. They could be hedge fund managers if only they applied themselves. The choice argument is identical to what the right says in dismissing workers rights.

A basic requisite for feminism is liking women. Your determination to invade this space and laugh at survivors of rape and domestic violence who do not share your determination to propagate rape culture through porn and justify violence against women in real life based on what you think you see in that porn shows that you don't even respect our lives, let alone equal rights.

So take your version of feminism to the other save haven group where you can complain how oppressed men are for being "harangued" by "misandrist" rape prevention campaigns that mention the word men rather than placing full responsibility for rape on the victim, where they insist in belongs. Join them in their outrage that rape victims don't share their fetishization for brutalizing women for kicks, and tell them what hypocrites we are for believing we can have one corner of DU where our lives actually matter. Complain to them that we natter on about the real life effects of violence against women rather than keeping our mouth shuts like we are supposed to and recognizing that violence against women should only be discussed in terms of male arousal.

Feminism starts with basic respect for women, something you have demonstrated a complete lack of here. I very much hope that the hosts do ban you, since I have no interest in conversing with anyone who has such clear contempt for the rights of women in this group.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #28)

Fri Dec 27, 2013, 08:36 PM

48. +1000

I am so tired of them not getting this. It really makes me sick.

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Response to last1standing (Reply #27)

Sun Nov 24, 2013, 08:17 AM

29. What makes you the final say on what empowers a woman.

Not wanting to be gagged or spanked and having men respect that is also empowering.

What makes you the final arbiter of what is empowering to women?

I'll tell you right now, that most women don't want to be abused while having sex. Most people don't like to be abused. You seem to be mixed up a bit.

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Response to last1standing (Reply #27)

Sun Nov 24, 2013, 08:31 AM

30. Then there is this

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YOU decide what feminism is. Women don't get to determine what rights we fight for. That is your choice. We need to shut the fuck up and take what's given to us.
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4080120

No "feminist" man insists women don't have a right to determine what their own interests are. No man who respects equal rights for all thinks he gets to determine what a feminist is. No man who is even likes women insists that they aren't feminists and that he knows what is best for women. http://sync.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4080120

Because the entire issue of rape porn is about male sexual desire. It's not about the right of women to be free from rape. The women in the scenario don't count. It's all about YOUR urges. Not the porn workers, not the rape victim, not the enslaved women, YOU and what YOU want. Subsidize human trafficking, what do you care. Actively promote rape culture that raises havoc on the lives of 20-25% of women in this country. Scoff at concerns about violence because you think we are supposed to find them erotic. What we want, our sexual desires, our rights to safety mean nothing. All that matters is male arousal. Women can exert choice as long as it corresponds to what YOU want. As soon as they challenge your privilege in any way, they no longer qualify as feminists and need to shut the fuck up and take what they are given.

There is one kind of man who thinks he has a right to decide what rights women can have and when they need to shut up; one kind of men who thinks HE has the right to determine what feminism is--that type is the furthest thing possible from feminist as can possibly be.


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Response to BainsBane (Reply #30)

Sun Nov 24, 2013, 09:27 AM

33. Damn BB, you are tearing this up!!

This and your previous reply are so awesome, in so many ways.

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Response to Sheldon Cooper (Reply #33)

Sun Nov 24, 2013, 10:03 AM

35. She's a badass all right

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Response to Sheldon Cooper (Reply #33)

Sun Nov 24, 2013, 02:44 PM

38. Thanks

I wish I could say I enjoyed it, but I didn't. It's one thing to have that crap in GD, but to them invade this room and insist we are hypocrites for not having it, that is the limit.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #38)

Mon Nov 25, 2013, 02:35 AM

40. did i miss something? nt

 

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #40)

Mon Nov 25, 2013, 03:51 AM

42. We had a visitor to HOF last night

Who did not respect members of this group or the SOP. He's in this thread.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #30)

Sun Nov 24, 2013, 10:06 AM

36. Because objecting to being sperm receptacles makes people deny feminism

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Response to Gravitycollapse (Original post)

Sun Nov 24, 2013, 10:02 AM

34. The range of study statistics is disturbing

Often done on collage age young men, with fairly small samples. There is no consensus on correlation between pornography and violence much less causality.

But as you point out, most of it is aggressive. My complaint about pornography, is that it's not true eroticism, it's a corporate industry every bit as corrupt as Wall Street. In other words, our fantasy's are designed with the eyes of porn-- with all the attendant issues that company it, much like the fashion industry gives us clothing, and influences those choices, only not as benign.

It's a powerful influence-- whether one chooses to watch porn or not. That that influence is denied, regulated to harmlessness in every case or defended in areas that are clearly misogynistic or racist dangerous is a very strange blind spot.

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Response to Gravitycollapse (Original post)

Sun Dec 8, 2013, 09:24 PM

47. That's why I stopped watching those type of movies with my husband

Some of up it was erotic, but then there had to be some kind of violence that ruined it all for me. Around 90% doesn't surprise me. It was rare that we'd find one of those movies without those kind of scenes.

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