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Mon Jan 11, 2016, 04:16 PM

Does Anyone Have A Link To What Harold Ford, Jr Said

this morning on Joey Scars show? Heard he said something about getting another candidate if Bernie gets nomination or maybe it was if Bernie wins in IA & NH. And also kept repeating he was a Socialist. Then Mika asked him why. I DO NOT watch MSNBC a anymore but a friend told me about it.

I haven't seen anything posted here. Really made my friend VERY, VERY MAD!

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Reply Does Anyone Have A Link To What Harold Ford, Jr Said (Original post)
ChiciB1 Jan 2016 OP
roguevalley Jan 2016 #1
ChiciB1 Jan 2016 #4
Peregrine Took Jan 2016 #2
winter is coming Jan 2016 #3
ChiciB1 Jan 2016 #5
winter is coming Jan 2016 #6
ChiciB1 Jan 2016 #9
winter is coming Jan 2016 #12
ChiciB1 Jan 2016 #21
libdem4life Jan 2016 #23
Skwmom Jan 2016 #16
libdem4life Jan 2016 #24
berni_mccoy Jan 2016 #7
Renew Deal Jan 2016 #28
onecaliberal Jan 2016 #8
ChiciB1 Jan 2016 #11
onecaliberal Jan 2016 #15
appalachiablue Jan 2016 #18
Renew Deal Jan 2016 #29
kenn3d Jan 2016 #10
ChiciB1 Jan 2016 #13
Punkingal Jan 2016 #14
onecaliberal Jan 2016 #17
CTyankee Jan 2016 #20
boobooday Jan 2016 #32
Douglas Carpenter Jan 2016 #19
ChiciB1 Jan 2016 #22
HereSince1628 Jan 2016 #25
Renew Deal Jan 2016 #30
valerief Jan 2016 #26
MisterP Jan 2016 #27
Douglas Carpenter Jan 2016 #31

Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)

Mon Jan 11, 2016, 04:18 PM

1. Harold Ford, that guy with the cold heart and shady past? I barely

remember him. I'm glad I don't much, ChiciB1

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 11, 2016, 04:26 PM

4. Well, Apparently He's A Staple Part Of JS's Show...

And from what my friend said she was FUMING. Kind of said he basically has decided that Bernie CAN'T run as a Democrat because he's a Socialist! I DO know how much this is an issue here, but Bernie has always voted with Democrats and is actually much more like the Democrats of the Party I joined in the first place. THIS Democratic Party doesn't even look the same. AND it appears that most of the leaders get their memos JUST LIKE the Repukes do! They seem to have rolled over and said YEAH, it's Hillary. Almost seems they've signed their names with a blood oath.

I've NEVER seen a anything like this from Congressional or Public leaders rolling over like this.

Oh, and yes, it's that Harold Ford, Jr. who ran for Senator in TN and lost!

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Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)

Mon Jan 11, 2016, 04:19 PM

2. The way I heard it (Thom Hartmann) if HRC loses IA and NH - Kerry, Biden, Warren

may opt and/or be tapped by the DNC to jump in.

Also, if Bernie wins those two states -same scenario.

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Response to Peregrine Took (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 11, 2016, 04:24 PM

3. I don't see Warren doing that.

And if Kerry or Biden did, I don't think it would matter.

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Response to winter is coming (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 11, 2016, 04:31 PM

5. Warren Won't Run... I Honestly Think Warren KNOWS Deep

down that she can be much more effective as a Senator. And I happen to agree with her. She's such a fighter and I think she also knows that the time isn't right for her to do anything like this. I love her, but prefer she fights it out in Congress. AND, should Bernie actually win, SHE will fight even harder. I also think if Bernie wins it will be easier for her to win many more battles.

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Response to ChiciB1 (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 11, 2016, 04:36 PM

6. It's more than that... I don't think she wants to be President.

She might run someday, if there isn't anyone else out there taking up the standard for issues that are important to her, but she doesn't have the itch. And since Bernie is running--quite successfully--on issues near and dear to her heart, she's not going to upset the apple cart.

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Response to winter is coming (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 11, 2016, 04:43 PM

9. Yeah, That's How I've Always Felt.

And, I don't think she will endorse either. Personally, I don't think she's for Hillary because her issues are almost the same as his. Plus, given tour leaders of today, it may bring more heat on her and make it harder for her to make much needed changes.

I HAVE NO proof or anything other than what my gut tells me, but I do feel she secretly would prefer Bernie to win. Their issues are so close together and having him win WILL bring some much needed coat tails. With Hillary her fight will be much harder.

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Response to ChiciB1 (Reply #9)

Mon Jan 11, 2016, 04:45 PM

12. My guess is also that she personally prefers Bernie, based on his positions.

I don't see her endorsing anyone before the nomination is sewn up, but if she does, it will be Bernie. It's telling that she's not in Iowa now, stumping for Hillary.

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Response to winter is coming (Reply #12)

Mon Jan 11, 2016, 08:47 PM

21. Exactly! All Of A Sudden "Our Democratic Leaders" Have

been called to duty and will decent opon Iowa soon. Amazing how many have rolled over and seem to be reading from the same political rule book, or have actually been "told" it's required reading IF you want to "play" in this Democratic Party sandbox!

Kind of if you DO good work YOU will be looked upon favorably and when it comes time to hand out the "goodies" we'll see who has earned their gold stars!! THIS is NOT the type of Democratic process I can support. I do realize that there's ALWAYS been stuff that goes on behind closed doors, but I have NEVER seen a Democratic Party that has been manipulated in this way and basically coming together to lock out another candidate running for the same office.

For anyone who really wants to see or admit the truth it's not hard to see that Hillary had been decided on from the get go. I think so many of them have been set back on their heels by what Bernie has managed to do. Just keep playing the same game with the MONEY BROKERS who run the country and will do their bidding for a price and be damned what "we the people" want! People like Howard Dean, Barney Frank, John Lewis and so many more who I always thought we with us seem to have joined the ranks. I feel so betrayed by them.

There are times when I hope that these apparent shills are only saying one thing and will do the opposite. Because if they won't "we the people" will never be heard. I know I've contacted my Senators and Representative more times than I can remember, but they vote how they want anyway.

Bernie Sanders has come along at a time when this country needs our voices heard in a desperate way. This country is no longer the shining star it once was and that's a shame. I've heard it from people of many countries through friends I have on FB, so many have told me privately and some actually post it.

I'm beginning to see some media realizing they can't ignore him anymore despite everything they've thrown in his way. He and we have built a movement that is speaking loudly. All I can do or any other person who supports is to keep pushing and working to help him because TPTB certainly don't seem to care!

What that clip showed was the reality of how so, so many DLC/Third Way Democrats are trying to sell and I ain't buying!

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Response to winter is coming (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 11, 2016, 09:01 PM

23. Agreed. Other than her own words, her family does not want her to run. And yes, she is and will be

 

a champion for Progressive Ideas and a mentor for upcoming Progressives....men and women. Massachusetts knows how lucky they are.

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Response to ChiciB1 (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 11, 2016, 04:57 PM

16. A fighter that sits on the sidelines. Some fighter.


Bernie is the fighter. Warren is a politician.

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Response to Skwmom (Reply #16)

Mon Jan 11, 2016, 09:10 PM

24. Many good solid citizens could govern.

 

but most won't take themselves and their family through the slough of crap that is the moat around the Castle known as the White House. No one and their family are perfect, so who wants to drag them in?

I mean they can't have a regular job, so there is their own personal income that must be raised...who can argue against that? Or, they have to be independently wealthy. Also, it takes family...same story...and yes, family deserves to be paid as they are replacing a paid employee.

We need a new system as this one has significantly degraded. I just don't know how.

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Response to Peregrine Took (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 11, 2016, 04:39 PM

7. Kerry won't run. You don't get a second chance at the General Election

And Biden wouldn't make it at this point since he's already said he isn't running. If he entered, he'd do worse than Hillary at this point.

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Response to Peregrine Took (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 11, 2016, 10:13 PM

28. I don't any of those three would do it.

Kerry would have the to resign. Warren doesn't want it.

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Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)

Mon Jan 11, 2016, 04:42 PM

8. That would be a huge mistake on the part of the DNC. All of these tools just refuse to see the

writing on the wall. It's okay. We're still coming for them. There is NOTHING they can do about it. If they think Bernie supporters are going to suddenly vote for Kerry, or someone else they're on good drugs. We're NOT going to back any corporate owned poll ever again.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #8)

Mon Jan 11, 2016, 04:44 PM

11. The Thing That Made My Friend So Mad Was The

fact that Ford kept repeating over and over that BERNIE'S A SOCIALIST! Many times she said. I wish there was a link.

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Response to ChiciB1 (Reply #11)

Mon Jan 11, 2016, 04:57 PM

15. He knows it a dog whistle, fortunately the people it works on wouldn't vote for a dem no matter what

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Response to ChiciB1 (Reply #11)

Mon Jan 11, 2016, 05:20 PM

18. The party can't try to 'invalidate' Bernie now after accepting him to run in the campaign

knowing full well his socialist history. Too late. Yet Ford's dog whistle racket is a tad concerning. What a loser-

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Response to ChiciB1 (Reply #11)

Mon Jan 11, 2016, 10:14 PM

29. I wouldn't listen to Ford on anything.

And neither would most other people.

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Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)

Mon Jan 11, 2016, 04:44 PM

10. youtube clip posted here

The full segment can be seen in the youtube clip posted here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251994427 (starting @3.25 out to the end)
Joe actually brings it up (@5:00), and Mika strongly challenges his point... but Ford takes Joe's side and really pushes the "Avowed Socialist" won't be allowed to win theme... etc.

Interesting to note that all of this is edited out of MSNBC's MOJOE website clips. I wouldn't bet on this youtube video remaining available so you may wan't to watch it soon.

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Response to kenn3d (Reply #10)

Mon Jan 11, 2016, 04:45 PM

13. Thank You So Very Much! n/t

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Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)

Mon Jan 11, 2016, 04:46 PM

14. Harold can go piss up a tree....

Pretty ridiculous to talk about getting someone else if Bernie wins, as if people's votes don't count.

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Response to Punkingal (Reply #14)

Mon Jan 11, 2016, 04:58 PM

17. They're so used to fucking us over, it's as if they believe they can change the results of the vote

if it doesn't allow them to continue the corruption unabated.

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Response to Punkingal (Reply #14)

Mon Jan 11, 2016, 05:59 PM

20. Harold represents the Republican wing of the Democratic Party and always has.

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #20)

Mon Jan 11, 2016, 10:17 PM

32. THIS ^^^^

Always.

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Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)

Mon Jan 11, 2016, 05:52 PM

19. Those who remember 1972 - can remember how McGovern had won most of the primaries

and caucuses fair and square - But at the last moment the party leadership led by Humphrey, Dailey and Meany tried to screw McGovern and the primary and caucus voters out of the nomination by changing the rules that they had previously fought to keep and they almost succeeded. Needless to say they didn't succeed in that endeavor. But they did manage to totally screw up the party. They did manage to distract all the energy from the campaign after McGovern had already won more than enough delegates. They did manage to change McGovern's public image from the devote Christian, prairie populist and war hero to the candidate of Amnesty, Acid and Abortion. Yes it was Democrats who spread that nonsense; not the Nixon campaign. It was really nasty and left a bad taste in a lot of peoples' mouths for decades to come.

Would the party leadership of today do the same to Bernie and his campaign? I don't know. But, I hope not.

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Response to Douglas Carpenter (Reply #19)

Mon Jan 11, 2016, 08:56 PM

22. I Think They Would, For Sure!

I wonder if they realize how many people are leaving the Democratic Party now. Just heard that so many in each Party have switched to Independent. The numbers left for Democrats is 29% and 23% and the Independents out number both Parties! I will be one of them depending on the outcome of this election because if this Party keeps doing as it is now I don't feel I belong nor do I feel they even want so many of us.

These numbers are really bad, especially for Democrats who have always had very high numbers. THIS is what the DLC started which has now turned into the Third Way Democrats. I joined a Democratic Party I believed in, not this stuff I'm seeing. The numbers do tell the story clearly!

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Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)

Mon Jan 11, 2016, 09:49 PM

25. Hmm that'd be chaos. Wouldn't require the release of all HRC's Superdelegates?

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Response to HereSince1628 (Reply #25)

Mon Jan 11, 2016, 10:16 PM

30. Super delegates are more or less independent operators.

Delegates selected by voters are a different story.

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Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)

Mon Jan 11, 2016, 10:02 PM

26. The blue dog? Whatever he said, it was something Republican.

Ford was a member of the New Democrat Coalition, the Congressional Black Caucus and the Blue Dog Coalition

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Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)

Mon Jan 11, 2016, 10:04 PM

27. they've been bawling, to the point of puking, that any "third-party talk" was "letting the GOP win"

that sort of talk should've been malheured in '06 when they defeated the Dems' own candidate in CT

maybe they'll pull a Papen and endorse Trump

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