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Fri Jan 8, 2016, 09:56 AM

Hillary Clinton Is Not Telling The Truth About Wall Street And it's damaging her campaign.

WASHINGTON -- Hillary Clinton's campaign spent much of this week waging a dishonest attack on Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and his campaign's Wall Street reform platform. The risky attempt to make inroads with progressives on one of her weakest issues is damaging the credibility of some of her top lieutenants.

Clinton's attack on Sanders is as simple as it is untrue: Unlike Sanders, Clinton has argued, she is willing to take on "shadow banking" -- a broad term for various financial activities that aren't regulated as strictly as conventional lending.

Sanders has in fact proposed attacking shadow banking in two principal ways: by breaking up big financial firms that engage in shadow banking, and by severing federal financial support for shadow banking activities by reinstating Glass-Steagall.

These would be substantive changes. A lot of shadow banking takes place at firms with traditional banking charters, like JPMorgan Chase and Bank of America. Some of it takes place at specialized hedge funds, or at major investment banks like Goldman Sachs. Breaking them up would not eliminate the risk shadow banking poses to the economy, but it would limit it. Risky shadow banking activities cannot bring down institutions that are too-big-to-fail if there are no too-big-to-fail institutions.

Yet the Clinton campaign has repeatedly said Sanders is wholly ignoring shadow banking, accusing Sanders of taking a "hands-off" approach to it that would not apply to firms like Lehman Brothers and AIG. This barrage has come from Clinton's press aides, campaign CFO Gary Gensler, and Clinton surrogate Barney Frank.

MORE: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-wall-street_568ed8d6e4b0cad15e6415cd

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Reply Hillary Clinton Is Not Telling The Truth About Wall Street And it's damaging her campaign. (Original post)
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Response to BigBearJohn (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:00 AM

1. Why would anyone doubt her sincerity vis a vis Wall Street?

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:04 AM

3. Apparently, she didn't say "cut that out!" when they were writing her checks. n/t

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Response to winter is coming (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:16 AM

7. She said "cut that check"!

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Response to JonLeibowitz (Reply #7)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:27 AM

10. DUZY

 

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Response to JonLeibowitz (Reply #7)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:54 AM

20. LOL!..

 

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Response to JonLeibowitz (Reply #7)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:06 AM

21. and they happily obliged...

HILLARY CLINTON'S TOP CAMPAIGN DONOR LIST:
Credit: Center for Responsive Politics

DONOR TOTAL
Citigroup Inc $824,402
Goldman Sachs $760,740
DLA Piper $700,530
JPMorgan Chase $696,456
Morgan Stanley $636,564
EMILY's List $609,684
Time Warner $501,831
Skadden, Arps et al $469,290
University of CA $417,327
Sullivan & Cromwell $369,150
Akin, Gump et al $364,478
Lehman Brothers $362,853
21st Century Fox $340,936
Cablevision Systems $336,613
Kirkland & Ellis $329,141
Natn’l Amusements $328,312
Squire Patton Boggs $328,306
Greenberg Traurig $327,890
Corning Inc $322,450
Credit Suisse Group $318,120

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #21)

Sat Jan 9, 2016, 01:54 AM

92. Appreciate The Transparency!!!! The More Hillary et al Doeth Protest..

The more desperate they look... BECAUSE THEY ARE GETTING... VERY DESPERATE!!!

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #21)

Sat Jan 9, 2016, 07:56 AM

100. But where's that famously wealthy, Maserati driving 1%er on that list?

He's a BIG DONOR, ya know!

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Response to JonLeibowitz (Reply #7)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:28 AM

30. Nice!

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Response to JonLeibowitz (Reply #7)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:38 AM

36. ...

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Response to JonLeibowitz (Reply #7)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 05:43 PM

73. LOL

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Response to JonLeibowitz (Reply #7)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:41 PM

81. Winner!!!!

 

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Response to JonLeibowitz (Reply #7)

Sat Jan 9, 2016, 08:38 AM

102. lmfao... you get my vote for post of the week!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

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Response to JonLeibowitz (Reply #7)

Sat Jan 9, 2016, 10:43 AM

113. LOL...that she did, many times n/t

K&R

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Response to winter is coming (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 12:47 PM

57. +1K!

 

Eggscellant!

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Response to Scuba (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:20 AM

8. OMG....just look at that!

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Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:14 AM

25. Recommend you edit your post. The "shrills" piece will get your post hidden.

 

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Response to BigBearJohn (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:03 AM

2. Her plan is better in regulating Wall Street, BTW, her plan is attacked

On regular basis. Hedge fund employees has a super pac running ads against Hillary because they know their game is over with Hillary's plan is better regulations. Have not seen a super pac from Wall Street running ads against Sanders

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:13 AM

5. Her plan may be fine. Her sincerity about implementing it is the question.

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #5)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:25 AM

29. Exactly. Why would anyone trust her?

 

It defys all logic.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #5)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 05:36 PM

71. Her plan is half hearted

It is mainly just trimming around the edges of the problem and the fact is she probably won't even fight that hard for the milquetoast reforms she has recommended.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #5)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:43 PM

88. Yeppers. nt

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Response to Scuba (Reply #5)

Sat Jan 9, 2016, 08:44 AM

103. Precisely Scuba! Her plan, her plan... there IS no plan, except the one where Hillary will say ANYTHING to get elected President.

Hillary lies like a rug and people are starting to catch on to her deceptions. Why they're gravitating to the only true authentic progressive in this race... Bernie!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!
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Response to Scuba (Reply #5)

Sat Jan 9, 2016, 09:05 AM

110. Yep.

 

Just put her into office, and watch the devolution commence.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 12:53 PM

58. You haven't sen those ads

 

because DWS and her horse have assured Wall St. that the fix is in. Consequently, they can hold off until it's just the queen against the Donald. That's when she'll need a "force field" surrounding her - when it's BSer against BSer.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 12:54 PM

59. Yeah, a vulture fund backing Marco Rubio.

It's just a matter of preference for them.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 08:33 PM

80. got a link to support that claim?

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Response to BigBearJohn (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:12 AM

4. Clinton isn't credible, when it comes to finance, economic, foreign policy and trade policies

 

The rest of her stances I can live with. It's those four key areas that I depart with Clinton, and these are key area of concern. I'm pretty sure many agree with me on these four key areas that Bernie does better on approach to address these issues.

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Response to Tennis Magnet (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:13 AM

6. + Eighty Gazillion

 

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Response to Tennis Magnet (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 02:05 PM

66. I certainly agree. Welcome to DU. nt

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Response to Tennis Magnet (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 05:32 PM

70. Hi, Tennis Magnet! I agree. And when it

 

comes to the bank crap, especially. Witness the DOW recently....banks continue to do their thing with the hedge funds. Apparently, the message from Hillary didn't get through to them. Sigh!

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Response to Tennis Magnet (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:42 PM

82. ++1

 

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Response to BigBearJohn (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:23 AM

9. What Hillary Clinton proposes isn't a Fantasy.

 

It's ironic that her sincerity is called into questions when her opponent just gave a grand, and admittedly great sounding speech full of either lies or ignorance.

Bernie would be 100% the only candidate worth electing if only what he promises was possible. This is EXACTLY what I keep on about.. he makes great promises that he will NOT have the authority to make come to pass. It's either lies or ignorance.

Within one year, my administration will break these institutions up so that they no longer pose a grave threat to the economy as authorized under Section 121 of the Dodd-Frank Act.


He's right that Dodd-Frank does give that power.. to the board of governors, and requires a 2/3 vote for approval of the board of governors. This is NOT a presidential power. He can make the list, but that's as far as this tootless tiger can go, the board of governors in no form for at least the next 12 years is going to support that vote. At best he can start getting a few of the old governors replaced with better nominations, but even those have to have a Senate that will approve them. Give me that Senate roll call that will support revamping the Fed. Hint, for at least the 115th congress, it doesn't exist unless someone goes out and recruits a MESS of really progressive senators right now.

Reinstate Glass-Stegall? Again, show me a realistic hypothetical congressional roll call of any potential version of the 115th congress.. and I will give serious reconsideration of my candidate support. As president, all he has (for this particular reinstatement) is the bully pulpit, and as everyone loves to point out his strong point of being the political outsider.. that is NOT a beneficial trait for a POTUS trying to use the bully pulpit. Sorry, but that is the nakked reality.


Not one major Wall Street executive has been prosecuted for causing the near collapse of our entire economy.

That will change under my administration. “Equal Justice Under Law” will not just be words engraved on the entrance of the Supreme Court. It will be the standard that applies to Wall Street and all Americans.



Now this has me REALLY curious. I'm assuming this would be using the attorney General's office. Is there actual laws or legal precident that he could work with? This might be possible?

Under my administration, we will turn for-profit credit rating agencies into non-profit institutions, independent from Wall Street. No longer will Wall Street be able to pick and choose which credit agency will rate their products.



Another interesting one to me. Under what power, law, or authority can he achieve this, or is he going to have to depend on and work with Congress to make this happen?

The section on reforming the Federal Reserve? Again, a beautifully worded section. This part I know he can't possibly get done without full congressional cooperation, and again, there's no version of the potential 115th congress that's going to do that.

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Response to Amimnoch (Reply #9)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:35 AM

13. So, our choices are to vote for someone who will undoubtedly try to accomplish

what he's proposing, or vote for someone who's taken money from Wall Street and is a proven liar?

I'm sticking with Bernie. We won't get regulation if we don't fight for it, and I don't for a minute believe Hillary will fight for any meaningful change. The way she's continually sidestepped reinstating Glass-Steagall is a big hint that she's not serious about comprehensive reform. If anything, she'll advocate for a few specific bandaids that the financial institutions will work around.

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Response to winter is coming (Reply #13)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:46 AM

16. So, no rebuttal or refute.. just acceptance that Sanders is either lying or clueless?

 

AND you still support him for it.

Gotcha.

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Response to Amimnoch (Reply #16)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:53 AM

18. .

Last edited Sun Feb 7, 2016, 12:37 PM - Edit history (1)

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Response to Amimnoch (Reply #16)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:50 AM

41. Just so I understand...

“he makes great promises that he will NOT have the authority to make come to pass. It's either lies or ignorance.” But you think whatever congressional makeup we end up with will treat any progressive goals hillary puts forth any differently? She's not exactly a progressive. She may call herself a dem, but she's closer to being a blue dog than an actual liberal... meaning there are plenty of conservative leaning legislations that would get passed, and almost no progressive legislations... assuming your hostile congressional makeup.

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Response to Amimnoch (Reply #16)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 02:18 PM

68. You know, most people didn't think we could go to space either.

I prefer to dream big and do the work to get there, not accept some half-ass excuse why we can't.

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #68)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 05:38 PM

72. With the emphasis on doing the work! We all have the responsibility to

 

get his message out there and show support. We can do that many ways, and if it takes an organized, peaceful protest against these banks, we can do that, too!

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #68)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 06:45 PM

77. You're not one of those who believe we actually

landed on the MOON - are you?

(ducks!)

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Response to jonno99 (Reply #77)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 07:13 PM

79. Of course we landed on the moon. We needed to know what we'd be bombing! n/t

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Response to jonno99 (Reply #77)

Sat Jan 9, 2016, 01:34 AM

91. Despite what you've been told...

yeah.. I'm a Bernie supporter and know we've been there.

I am also one of the first youth members of Space Camp... 1982.

Been there. Ate the freeze-dried bananas.

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #91)

Sat Jan 9, 2016, 03:05 PM

114. Cool. Hopefully, it was understood that my comment was tongue-in-cheek.

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #68)

Sat Jan 9, 2016, 07:16 AM

97. Excellent post!

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Response to winter is coming (Reply #13)

Sat Jan 9, 2016, 07:15 AM

96. Huge +1!

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Response to winter is coming (Reply #13)

Sat Jan 9, 2016, 08:50 AM

104. You pretty much summed up my views Winter... Bernie is "The One" who can finally lead us to the Promised Land.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

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Response to Amimnoch (Reply #9)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:17 AM

27. Republicans hate Clintons more than they hate black people

You see how well they work with Obama now. Do you seriously believe they'll work with Clinton on anything if she's president? Sanders has more of a chance of getting things accomplished than Clinton does. If you believe otherwise you reside on a different planet.

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Response to shawn703 (Reply #27)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:29 AM

32. doubtful that they hate her more. I've read some pretty awful things they've written about our

 

President. I will agree that they likely hate her more than Senator Sanders.. for now. If he gets the nomination, that's pretty certain to change.

As has been pointed out MANY times right here on this board.. Senator Sanders is a political outsider. It's your side that's said that and what they've tried to sell people on from the beginning.

As I've told people in other threads, i'm more focused on the House and senate races, especially in the battleground states, than I am for the Presidency.

If the House or Senate remains Republican majority, neither Sanders NOR Clinton will get much progress done. I feel Clinton may actually get a few things done, because she is more willing to compromise than Sanders. She'll likely be despised for the compromise by some (much like President Obama got a lot of heartburn because he had to sacrifice single payer to get the ACA passed).

In the highly Unlikely event that the Senate and House goes back into Democrat control, I do feel we'd see some great things come out of either Clinton or Sanders. This is likely where we diverge in belief. Because there is no filibuster proof list of liberal Democrats that's even possible coming out of the 115th congress... many of these bills will still require some compromise because, as we all know too well, not ALL people in either the senate or house with a (D) by their name is liberal or progressive. That, again is where I think Clinton, being the political insider, will have an additional edge over Senator Sanders.

If we ever actually get a Progressive Democrat majority in the House, and a filibuster proof progressive Democrat majority in the Senate.. I absolutely believe either of these candidates would be INCREDIBLE successes.

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Response to shawn703 (Reply #27)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 06:41 PM

76. I think their hatred for Black skin is greater than their hatred for her, but either way

isnt it scary that people so full of hate might take over the entire government?

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Response to Amimnoch (Reply #9)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:46 AM

37. in other words, you can't rebutt the TPed material in any way

 

but have convinced yourself that spewing nonsense about Bernies goals/objectives/etc and their achievability (something that can be applied to those of both candidates where the approval of others is involved) somehow accomplishes that?

you lost here. get over it, no?

Attacking Bernie with nonsense is not a defense of the dishonesty cited here.

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Response to Amimnoch (Reply #9)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 12:01 PM

47. What Sanders proposes has been tried and tested: in the 1930-ies.

 

What Clinton proposes are mere hypotheses, that have NEVER been proven.

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Response to Amimnoch (Reply #9)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 12:20 PM

52. Do you actually think anyone read that?

I think I've got election fatigue.

So tired of the Hillary talking points, the nonsense, the lies.

Who would waste their time reading two sentences about Hillary's plan to reform Wall Street, let alone an entire screed? It's laughable.

Why do they even float this nonsense? The only people buying that snake oil are....well, no one really.

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Response to Amimnoch (Reply #9)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 01:00 PM

60. I support Sanders...

...but appreciate your well-considered concerns. A lot more thoughtful than some of the ridiculous anti-Bernie stuff that pops up.

FWIW, here's the other side:

First, the likely 115th Congress is not going to be any more amenable to even Hillary's less ambitious ideas. So really, they are both similarly disadvantaged there, even if Bernis is aiming higher.

But here is the hope, for the things that can't be done without congressional approval. It is admittedly a long shot, but it's better than no shot.

From http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/264023-in-blockbuster-poll-sanders-destroys-trump-by-13

According to a new poll by Quinnipiac University on Tuesday, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) destroys Republican candidate Donald Trump in a general election by 13 percentage points. In this new poll, Sanders has 51 percent to Trump's 38 percent. If this margin held in a general election, Democrats would almost certainly regain control of the United States Senate and very possibly the House of Representatives.


In addition, if he only makes some progress toward that goal, but succeeds in directing the conversation and motivating his (hopefully expanding) base, there's another chance to flip the House in another two years.

Likely? No. But the odds that Hillary could flip the House within 4 years is even smaller.


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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #60)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 01:35 PM

64. Much respect to you and your response.

 

I'm closing out my work week here, but will definitely give your response the time and thought it deserves when I get a chance this weekend.

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Response to Amimnoch (Reply #9)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 01:03 PM

61. You clearly didn't read the whole HuffPo article

which includes this interesting part:

Jaret Seiberg, a regulatory specialist at Guggenheim Partners -- and one of the most astute finance-friendly observers of American politics -- issued a note to clients this week saying that key elements of Sanders' platform have bipartisan appeal and political viability that will put pressure on other candidates to present more aggressive anti-Wall Street messaging.

"This is not just about breaking up the biggest banks," Seiberg wrote. "Sanders is calling for a system in which financial firms are smaller, the government controls the interest rates that banks charge, certain fees are capped, the Postal Service becomes a viable competitor to banks and payday lenders [and] CEOs would be criminally liable if employees defraud customers.

"Sanders appears to argue that he could implement much of this agenda on his own even without the need for legislation," Seiberg continued. "We caution against dismissing this view. There is much that the White House, Treasury, or the financial regulators could do by executive order …. Bashing Wall Street is a populist message that appeals to conservatives and liberals. Sanders has now laid out the most radical option on the table that other candidates will be judged against."


Sanders, when President can and will implement significant financial system reforms. HRC? Nothing but smoke and mirrors.

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Response to ymetca (Reply #61)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 05:17 PM

69. +1, thank you

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Response to Amimnoch (Reply #9)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:27 PM

87. I am 72. I have had an amazing life. Just unbelievable.

And I never, ever say "never."

I was 9 and in the fifth grade. My teacher presented a little homemade model of the Parthenon and told us that was the birthplace of democracy. Now I was a poor kid living in the Midwest in the early 1950s. But I said to myself right then and there, "I'm going to go there and see that Parthenon." And close to 15 years later, that is precisely what I did. It was thanks to the man I married. But what I said I would do, I did.

That is only one amazing example from my life. Be positive in your thoughts and actions.

If you never dare to want something that everyone says is impossible, you probably won't get it or do it or have it. You have to keep focused on your cosmic wish list.

It isn't magic. I just don't know what it is. But if you, from the get-go say "That is impossible. We can never do that. Forget it," you will never get what you know is right for you and for the country.

One of the things I greatly dislike about Hillary and her campaign is the negativity of it and of her supporters.

We are the country of people who achieve the impossible.

Of course, Bernie can get Congress to enact the legislation he wants if we strongly support his request for it, his campaign for it. Of course, we can.

Remember the Obama slogan: "Yes, we can."

That's what I believe about Sanders. Yes, we can.

In this you are right. It isn't "Yes, he can."

Rather it is "Yes. We can."

I like the fact that Bernie is so determined and so positive in his belief that he will achieve what is right for America.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #87)

Sat Jan 9, 2016, 07:22 AM

98. Simply beautiful, JD. Thank you.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #87)

Sat Jan 9, 2016, 08:52 AM

106. Couldn't agree more JD... great post!

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #87)

Sat Jan 9, 2016, 09:18 AM

111. *Very* nicely said. n/t

 

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Response to BigBearJohn (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:28 AM

11. People should read the whole article. Very well

presented.

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Response to BigBearJohn (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:34 AM

12. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, BigBearJohn.

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Response to BigBearJohn (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:37 AM

14. HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!!

 


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Response to BigBearJohn (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:39 AM

15. Translation: Bernie offers pie in the sky that can't be had

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #15)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 12:15 PM

49. Like?

 

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Response to Katashi_itto (Reply #49)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 01:06 PM

62. "I'm going to break up all the big banks"

Not without Congress he isn't. He isn't going to get free college without Congress or any thing else he wants.

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #62)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 01:53 PM

65. Thats your argument? You Think Hillary will have an easier time then?

 

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #62)

Sat Jan 9, 2016, 08:53 AM

107. Ever heard of executive action?!

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #15)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:50 PM

84. Sanders will win and the historically gerrymandered GOP congress will complete his agenda..

... without obstruction just like they did with Obama /UnicornWorldThinking

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Response to BigBearJohn (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:46 AM

17. Why are Sanders supporters so hung up on Wall St and income inequality?

 

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Response to tk2kewl (Reply #17)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:12 AM

24. It seems that Hill supporters are either ignorant

to the massive extraction of wealth out of all the lower classes (poor, middle, upper middle, even 20% ers) by the mega rich, or they are complicit with it and are willfully ignorant.

The OWS chant 'banks got bailed out; we got sold out' and the concept of the "revolving door in politics" actually means something and has a grave effect on our lives. Hill supporters and other republican minded folks simply can't or won't see how this effects EVERY facet of the lives of EVERY American and most non-Americans.

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Response to U of M Dem (Reply #24)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:31 AM

34. Charming.

So we're "ignorant" ... "complicit" ... and "willfully ignorant". (If anyone dared to post such things about Bernie's supporters the likelihood of surviving an alert would not be in their favor.)

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #34)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:47 AM

38. It's taken awhile.

 

But you're catching on. Good job.

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Response to floriduck (Reply #38)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:55 AM

44. Oh, my! (Among other things, that's very amusing.)


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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #44)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 12:09 PM

48. What will be even more amusing is when she's the nominee

When that happens, Democrats on the DU will be separated from the Naderites, like wheat from chaff.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Reply #48)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 12:19 PM

51. It won't be long now. (Still ... waiting is the hardest part.)

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Reply #48)

Sat Jan 9, 2016, 02:53 AM

93. LOL. Yep.

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Response to floriduck (Reply #38)

Sat Jan 9, 2016, 09:28 AM

112. LOL!

 

Ouch!

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Response to U of M Dem (Reply #24)

Sat Jan 9, 2016, 08:57 AM

108. Wealth extraction... which of the two candidates has mastered that technique?... hmmm

...let's see:

Hillary's net worth: $200 million
Bernie's net worth: $200,000

Who could it be I wonder? So hard to decide... NOT!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

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Response to tk2kewl (Reply #17)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:23 AM

28. ...

 

"Revolutionaries are less troubled by the system, than their place in the system."

~~ Anonymous Internet Poster

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Response to tk2kewl (Reply #17)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 12:00 PM

46. Why are Clinton supporters so attached to Wall Street and income inequality? eom

 

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Response to Betty Karlson (Reply #46)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 12:26 PM

55. A lot of them are republicans.

 

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Response to JRLeft (Reply #55)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 12:30 PM

56. DINOs, maybe. But not Republicans.

 

Remember: contrary to Sanders, Clinton has ZERO cross-over appeal.

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Response to Betty Karlson (Reply #56)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:14 PM

86. I wouldn't say she has ZERO crossover appeal

She doesn't appeal to the lower Republican echelons, but the Republican elite are comfortable with her, as evidenced by all of those megabanks that have paid her hundreds of thousands of dollar an hour to talk to them.



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Response to tk2kewl (Reply #17)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 05:50 PM

74. Because the middle class is shrinking and has been since

 

Reaganomics. Too many are forced to work two jobs, there hasn't been an increase in minimum wage in ages and the top 1% own more than half of the wealth of the USA, plus we can't leave out the "Austerity" measures still in place.

Check out the DOW, tk2kewl. Things are not looking good for our economy.

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Response to Duval (Reply #74)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 06:35 PM

75. I assumed the sarcasm tag was self evident

 

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Response to BigBearJohn (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:54 AM

19. Her credibility is unchanged with her gullible supporters

 

They'll prance, and preen in a dark room and emote indignation if anyone flips a switch for any fact-based light that might shine.

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Response to BigBearJohn (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:12 AM

23. The headline says it all.

This was, is and will always be HRC's default.

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Response to BigBearJohn (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:16 AM

26. Clinton is spot on and a breath of fresh air.

 

Her comprehensive thoughts and plans with respect to regulating the banking industry are second to none. Progressive after progressive are backing her in this area. There will always be some naysayers. I'm highly confident those like Goodman are horrified with Clintons plan to regulate banks and Wall Street. I expect nothing less.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #26)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:30 AM

33. Seriously? Explain her rejection of Glass Stegall. Has she something better?

 

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #26)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:50 AM

40. in other words you can't dispute the dishonesty noted in the TP

 

so you submitted a tacit admission that it is pretty much accurate with a subject change.

thanks for the concession

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #26)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:52 PM

85. I made the point a day or two ago that I thought Hillary was more rounded than Sanders cause

... Sanders doesn't seem to tout anything else but income equality and hatred of wall street.

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Response to BigBearJohn (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:29 AM

31. Aww I trust Hillary a little more than...umm...thinking....how about Ted Cruz?

 

You are so cruel to the Inevitable one!

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Response to Katashi_itto (Reply #31)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:51 AM

43. Now that's just unfair. I trust her more than Trump too.

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Response to BigBearJohn (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:36 AM

35. I don't trust her. On anything. She's out for herself

and will put her own interests first always. And that is not what I want in a president.

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Response to CharlotteVale (Reply #35)

Sat Jan 9, 2016, 07:23 AM

99. I wish I couldn't agree.

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Response to BigBearJohn (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:48 AM

39. self-inflicted injuries are the worst kind. Let's hope she gets better at it, no?

 

eom

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Response to BigBearJohn (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:51 AM

42. And Yet . . .

You continue to talk more about our candidate than you do your own.

Very telling. Running scared?

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Response to Gamecock Lefty (Reply #42)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 12:17 PM

50. and gladly so when it's negative stuff like this

 

and you struggle with understanding this why exactly?

Rightwingers use to love that line of BS in defense of Sarah Palin too.

Like them, do you think some "envy" is involved as well?

What's very "telling" is the way HC supporters have littered this post with irrelevant and immaterial BS leaving the material/charges in the TP wholly unaddressed and unrebutted, like they are entirely true or something.

thanks for that

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Response to BigBearJohn (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:58 AM

45. After all the dishonest attacks from Clinton, DWS, and the rest of her cronies,

 

her campaign deserves to be damaged. - Preferably to the point of tanking in the primaries.

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Response to BigBearJohn (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 12:24 PM

54. Bernie Will be Tougher

I'm convinced Bernie Sanders will use the bully-pulpit better than any president in our lifetime.

Hillary will just continue ""Business as usual." "Triangulation". "Reaching across the aisle."

We need change. Real Change.

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Response to BigBearJohn (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 01:23 PM

63. Asking why Clinton campaigns lie...

....is like asking why fish swim.

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Response to BigBearJohn (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 02:10 PM

67. K&R nt

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Response to BigBearJohn (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 07:10 PM

78. It's politics. If she wins Iowa big, it was a smart move

If Senator Sanders can be knocked out of the campaign, then being sloppy with the facts doesn't really have a downside. If he stays in it, then the Clinton campaign might pay a long lasting price for saying anything that they can be called out on.

I guess we'll get to see what the multitude of "referees" that people listen to have to say about this issue. Those quotes about Wall Street from the debate have stuck to Secretary Clinton, so she's going to take flak that she might otherwise have avoided.

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Response to BigBearJohn (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:49 PM

83. I just heard Bill throw out the "...1-3 Supreme Court appointments" thing

 

at a campaign speech. Must be already bringing out the scare tactics.

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Response to BigBearJohn (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:54 PM

89. Hillary Criticizes Bernie's Plan to Break Up Her Friends' Banks

There was a very good reason Hillary tried to sully Bernie Sander's speech today before it happened. It's because she is bought and paid for, and Hillary doesn't want her bankster friends to risk their own damned money in high-risk investments. A good take here...


Hillary Criticizes Bernie's Plan to Break Up Her Friends' Banks

Summary:

Hillary Clinton asserts it will be unfair to her bankster friends if they cannot steal money from the commercial bank accounts of regular Americans to make extremely risky investments, because then they would lose their own money for making poor business decisions and not get to stick taxpayers with the bill.


Summarizes it quite nicely, I think.

WASHINGTON (The Nil Admirari) - Earlier today, Democratic presidential candidate and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton criticized rival U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont for "picking on" her bankster friends who run the financial institutions responsible for the 2008 economic crisis. Clinton took serious issue with Sanders' plan to break up commercial and investment banks, because that would prevent her bankster pals from using the bank deposits of regular Americans to make extremely risky investments and stick American taxpayers with the bill when they lose big.

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"I really think my plan to charge banks a few menial fines and tell them to 'cut it out' every once in a while will be far more effective than Bernie Sanders' plan to actually address serious lapses in financial regulation that place the American economy at risk of meltdown every day," explained Clinton.



More at link...

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Response to BigBearJohn (Original post)

Sat Jan 9, 2016, 12:29 AM

90. K&R nt

 

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Response to BigBearJohn (Original post)

Sat Jan 9, 2016, 03:59 AM

94. Silly me for being so neive that Barney Frank would...

...get cozy with one of the corporate favorites. Thought he had more instincts to fight for little guy. Obi Wan was wrong about Anakin, I was wrong about Frank.

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Response to BigBearJohn (Original post)

Sat Jan 9, 2016, 07:13 AM

95. K&R for accuracy! This post should have hundreds of recommendations!

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Response to BigBearJohn (Original post)

Sat Jan 9, 2016, 08:27 AM

101. Wall Street is people, my friend.

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Response to BigBearJohn (Original post)

Sat Jan 9, 2016, 08:52 AM

105. Remember that time

Clinton's campaign started the Birther Movement?

"Then, as Obama marched toward the presidency, a new suggestion emerged: That he was not eligible to serve.

That theory first emerged in the spring of 2008, as Clinton supporters circulated an anonymous email questioning Obama’s citizenship.

“Barack Obama’s mother was living in Kenya with his Arab-African father late in her pregnancy. She was not allowed to travel by plane then, so Barack Obama was born there and his mother then took him to Hawaii to register his birth,” asserted one chain email that surfaced on the urban legend site Snopes.com in April 2008."

http://www.politico.com/story/2011/04/birtherism-where-it-all-began-053563?o=0
http://legalnewsline.com/stories/510520259-supreme-court-declines-to-hear-obama-citizenship-challenge

"Let’s flashback to 2008: Clinton is locked in a heated primary battle with Obama, with nasty accusations being flung on both sides. But Obama has begun to pull and away and Clinton seems doomed when, lo and behold, a certain image ends up the featured image on the Drudge Report:



Clicking the link brought up a Drudge exclusive, reporting that Clinton staffers circulated the image via email. “Wouldn’t we be seeing this on the cover of every magazine if it were [Hillary]?” one Clinton staffer complained.

The Obama camp went ballistic, calling it “the most shameful, offensive fear-mongering we’ve seen from either party in this election.” Clinton aides at first brushed off the story entirely, but then denied having ever sent it. Even though, months earlier, the campaign was forced to fire two Iowa staffers caught forwarding an email saying Obama was a Muslim."

http://www.mediaite.com/online/hillary-clinton-horrified-by-obama-rumors-her-campaign-helped-create/

Honesty is not something she or her supporters are known for... (See also:TPP)

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Response to EdwardBernays (Reply #105)

Sat Jan 9, 2016, 09:03 AM

109. Hillary and honesty mix like oil and water. She lies as easily as she breathes...

Vote Bernie... for a breath of fresh air.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

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