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peacebird

(14,195 posts)
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 08:33 PM Jan 2016

Apparently Clintons remarks did not win over any Sanders supporters last night....

"Clinton's attempts to reach out to Sanders supporters in the crowd of 2,200 drew some to their feet to hold up pro-Sanders signs in silent protest, while others were more vocal in their disapproval. Sanders and O'Malley “have a lot of good ideas and we share a lot of the same values,” she said, drawing scattered laughs and “no!” shouts from Sanders supporters.
Some booed when Clinton said she’s the only candidate in the race who’s pledged to “raise middle-class incomes, not middle-class taxes.” Sanders supports the FAMILY Act, which would increase payroll taxes by 0.2 percent, working out to $1.38 a week for the median worker. He argues that it’s a small price to pay for the expansion of paid family and medical leave benefits that's part of the bill while Clinton says she will pay for the same programs with increased effective tax rates on the wealthy and corporations."

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-01-07/clinton-and-sanders-go-toe-to-toe-in-nevada

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Apparently Clintons remarks did not win over any Sanders supporters last night.... (Original Post) peacebird Jan 2016 OP
She had this sort of faux anger thing going last night that I found terribly off-putting. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #1
Yeah, I find it unbecoming too. eom Snotcicles Jan 2016 #10
Unbecoming? Is that because a woman should be "becoming"? George II Jan 2016 #15
no.it's bad for anyone to use roguevalley Jan 2016 #23
Shove off! HerbChestnut Jan 2016 #31
The "Tide" Is A Turnn'in! K and R! CorporatistNation Jan 2016 #47
Leave it to Hillary to tell 840high Jan 2016 #34
Yer funny. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2016 #37
LOLOLOL! beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #40
You can't be serious. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2016 #52
And boom out comes the gender card. nm rhett o rick Jan 2016 #72
in fairness it was reply #15 Doctor_J Jan 2016 #83
I am sure the irony is lost on those that use the gender card. They demand that HRC rhett o rick Jan 2016 #90
their internal polling probably showed they're losing Iowa ! INdemo Jan 2016 #56
I've noticed that. She uses 'the voice', or tries to and I find it off putting as well. nt haikugal Jan 2016 #78
Sanders' supporters booed Hillary? dlwickham Jan 2016 #2
Yeah, her supporters would never do something like that: beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #5
disgusting behavior. Amimnoch Jan 2016 #18
Maybe you don't realized that we are at war. The 99% is fighting for it's life, in some ways rhett o rick Jan 2016 #73
I think some people don't realize how serious we are and why. haikugal Jan 2016 #79
^^^This^^^ Autumn Jan 2016 #84
Sanders base has much in common with Trump's. Dawson Leery Jan 2016 #29
Ugh. SammyWinstonJack Jan 2016 #32
Hi Pot! n/t tazkcmo Jan 2016 #33
Uh... kenfrequed Jan 2016 #74
The road to the coronation is getting a bit bumpy.... monmouth4 Jan 2016 #3
The coronation that won't be televised madokie Jan 2016 #8
But the road to the nomination is smooth as glass (and no, this is NOT where Obama was in 2008!): George II Jan 2016 #16
And Bernie is not Obama. He's better! highprincipleswork Jan 2016 #21
In your dreams!!!!!! n/t justhanginon Jan 2016 #25
No, not in my dreams. In everything he says and does and the authenticity thereof. highprincipleswork Jan 2016 #43
Authenticity is the right word. Go Bernie! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2016 #54
Hillary's chart will follow the stock market - a weird prediction, but I think it will prove true. reformist2 Jan 2016 #22
Looks pretty insurmountable, makes you wonder why she would bother trolling for Bernie supporters. A Simple Game Jan 2016 #24
She's not "trolling", she's campaigning like any blue-blooded DEMOCRAT does. George II Jan 2016 #39
"Blue Blooded Democrat?" KoKo Jan 2016 #64
Amazing isn't it?! haikugal Jan 2016 #80
Indeed.... KoKo Jan 2016 #85
Don't know if you're aware of the expression Blue-Blood hootinholler Jan 2016 #68
Oh..I'm very aware of what it means: KoKo Jan 2016 #86
Hillary . . . because her blood is bluer than yours! Utopian Leftist Jan 2016 #77
well...there's that... KoKo Jan 2016 #87
Oopsie! bvar22 Jan 2016 #81
How could she. We know who and what she really is. emsimon33 Jan 2016 #4
Using this figure it is someone making $780 a week and Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #6
a buck 38 is going to hurt them LOL madokie Jan 2016 #11
Hell, you can't even buy a soda for a buck thirty-eight any more! Plucketeer Jan 2016 #27
more like madokie Jan 2016 #28
You did ask them Plucketeer Jan 2016 #36
I wouldn't lose sleep kenfrequed Jan 2016 #76
You thought taxing the rich was a terrible idea when it was to pay for tuition. jeff47 Jan 2016 #69
Sanders wants to help people like me...Clinton wants to help herself. CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #7
"the only candidate .. who’s pledged to raise middle-class incomes" <--BIG FAT LIE. $15 an hour 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #9
The issue is PowerToThePeople Jan 2016 #13
Damn-- if "middle class" starts at $40/hour, Art_from_Ark Jan 2016 #35
It is unreachable for the majority PowerToThePeople Jan 2016 #38
President Clinton was more successful SecularMotion Jan 2016 #12
Alex Mendola, a 19-year-old SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #14
She is so full of shit passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #17
Ditto. SoapBox Jan 2016 #30
Good. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2016 #19
They are still trying to gin up some kind of fake narrative to match their campaign. silvershadow Jan 2016 #20
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Jan 2016 #26
Sanders has so few REAL supporters, I'm sure she wasn't trying to win any of them over. George II Jan 2016 #41
So few supporters? beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #42
he cant win reddread Jan 2016 #44
I guess they're not REAL supporters. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #46
photoshop reddread Jan 2016 #48
LOL! beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #49
those loathsome Sanders supporters will do anything reddread Jan 2016 #51
The beatings will continue until you fall in line! beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #53
that purge is gonna be tricky reddread Jan 2016 #55
What? Calling Supporters of a Candidate for Dem Party Nomination "Loathsome?" KoKo Jan 2016 #65
arent the supporters the problem? reddread Jan 2016 #67
Indeed she didn't. All she did was show how disconnected she is from reality. Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #45
How many Hillary supporters is Bernie converting? JoePhilly Jan 2016 #50
It's a shame Hillary is such a risk in the general. Vinca Jan 2016 #57
She won't win the general election with her "existing support levels" tularetom Jan 2016 #59
I guess you can hope she loses if you want. JoePhilly Jan 2016 #60
I don't "hope" anything except that she loses the primary tularetom Jan 2016 #63
I agree with you...I fear Hillary would be a... tex-wyo-dem Jan 2016 #71
I believe and trust Bernie. I don't know what Hillary will evolve into next. merrily Jan 2016 #58
She's a chameleon. Has been all her life. nt elias49 Jan 2016 #61
I would put it this way: she's been the same all her life, but her rhetoric is chameleon-like. merrily Jan 2016 #62
Did Sanders get the same treatment from Clinton and O'Malley sufrommich Jan 2016 #66
Well at 60% I suppose she could win over some Bernie Supporters and get to 65% Sheepshank Jan 2016 #70
"Clinton says she will pay for the same programs with increased effective tax rates on the wealthy rhett o rick Jan 2016 #75
...! KoKo Jan 2016 #88
It's clear that amassing a hugh personal wealth is very important to her. I think it will rhett o rick Jan 2016 #89
disingenuous on the tax issue as usual. She wants students to have skin (money) in the game, Doctor_J Jan 2016 #82

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
1. She had this sort of faux anger thing going last night that I found terribly off-putting.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 08:39 PM
Jan 2016

Obviously I'm a bit biased.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
90. I am sure the irony is lost on those that use the gender card. They demand that HRC
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 09:58 PM
Jan 2016

be treated the same as all candidates and yet when the chips are down, boom they want her to be treated special.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
5. Yeah, her supporters would never do something like that:
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 08:42 PM
Jan 2016


Hell even Carly's supporters didn't boo Bernie on his birthday.
 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
18. disgusting behavior.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 09:53 PM
Jan 2016

I'm certainly not at all above the tit-for-tat's and exchange of insults here during primary season.

I do find that behavior disgusting though. If I had the privilege of meeting Senator Sanders, I would be respectful.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
73. Maybe you don't realized that we are at war. The 99% is fighting for it's life, in some ways
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 05:22 PM
Jan 2016

literally. 50,000,000 Americans living in poverty because of the greed of the American Aristocracy. This is a class war and HRC (worth approx $50,000,000) is fighting for her friends in the Aristocracy. It's past time for being polite to those that are trying to loot all our resources.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
74. Uh...
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 05:28 PM
Jan 2016

Minus the xenophobia, racism, wealth entitlement, homophobia, misogynistic, trickle down nonsense, warmongering, scapegoating, poor bashing, anti union, anti veteran...

I'm sorry I lost track of where I was amidst the pure absurdity of your post.

 

highprincipleswork

(3,111 posts)
43. No, not in my dreams. In everything he says and does and the authenticity thereof.
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 07:42 AM
Jan 2016

But I know. Not everybody wants a Progressive America. Correct that. The majority of people do. They just fall prey to the resident propaganda too easily, which is why the vast majority of Americans keep sliding into an economic abyss from which they will never recover with the kind of Democrats we keep putting forward.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
24. Looks pretty insurmountable, makes you wonder why she would bother trolling for Bernie supporters.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 10:39 PM
Jan 2016

Smart woman, think she might know something we don't?

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
68. Don't know if you're aware of the expression Blue-Blood
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:54 AM
Jan 2016

Which indicates royalty by birthright.



You are very accurate when you say she's like any Blue-Blooded politician.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
86. Oh..I'm very aware of what it means:
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 08:59 PM
Jan 2016


Full Definition of Blue Blood

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/blue%20blood


1 ˈblü-ˈbləd : membership in a noble or socially prominent family

2 -ˌbləd : a member of a noble or socially prominent family


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Utopian Leftist

(534 posts)
77. Hillary . . . because her blood is bluer than yours!
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 05:32 PM
Jan 2016

Hillary: "The peasants are revolting!"

We need another stern disciplinarian for President . . . about as much as we need to bring back the French Aristocracy!

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
87. well...there's that...
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 09:07 PM
Jan 2016

but, then again, that's what those "Blue Blooders" do best. "Regime Change" is always with them to suit their purposes.

As a matter of fact: They are obessed with Regime Change no matter Where it Is or How it is Done!

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
81. Oopsie!
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 05:52 PM
Jan 2016

Tell us, what is life like up there among the "Blue Bloods"?

blue blood
noun
noun: blue blood; noun: blueblood
a person of noble birth.

emsimon33

(3,128 posts)
4. How could she. We know who and what she really is.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 08:41 PM
Jan 2016

We have no delusions or illusions about Hillary. Her record speaks for itself as do her choices!

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
6. Using this figure it is someone making $780 a week and
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 08:43 PM
Jan 2016

Less than $41,000 a year. This is placing a tax burden on low income at the same rate as it does those in the 1% bracket. Yes it is taking money from many who can not make it on the amount they are getting.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
11. a buck 38 is going to hurt them LOL
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 08:50 PM
Jan 2016

I'm sure the benefit will more than make up for it.

Do you ever think about what you're typing?

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
27. Hell, you can't even buy a soda for a buck thirty-eight any more!
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 10:50 PM
Jan 2016

Hillary's "faithful" are relying on a divine convention.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
28. more like
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 10:53 PM
Jan 2016

pulling shit out of their you know what. I don't mind someone wanting to think stupid shit but when they try to push it off on me and expect me to accept it I don't like that

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
76. I wouldn't lose sleep
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 05:30 PM
Jan 2016

I have seen that posters post for a long time and given their positions Thinkingabout seems to be at best a very economically conservative democrat who is against any taxation increases.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
69. You thought taxing the rich was a terrible idea when it was to pay for tuition.
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 12:49 PM
Jan 2016

Yet now you're claiming taxing the rich is a fantastic idea.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
9. "the only candidate .. who’s pledged to raise middle-class incomes" <--BIG FAT LIE. $15 an hour
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 08:48 PM
Jan 2016

not only $12.. what a crock of poop

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
13. The issue is
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 09:00 PM
Jan 2016

Last edited Thu Jan 7, 2016, 11:49 PM - Edit history (1)

People that those rates of pay are not "technically" middle class. Middle class begins at about 40$ per hour.

The people like us are just poor.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
38. It is unreachable for the majority
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 11:48 PM
Jan 2016

of Americans.

That is why we need a political revolution.

Bernie 2016!

 

SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
12. President Clinton was more successful
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 08:53 PM
Jan 2016
NASHUA, N.H. — Alex Mendola, a 19-year-old from Amherst, New Hampshire who will be casting his first ballot in next month's presidential primary, is exactly the type of young voter who has helped fuel Sen. Bernie Sanders' improbable lead over Hillary Clinton in the first-in-the-nation primary state.

And Mendola was a firm Sanders supporter — that is until Monday, when he walked into Nashua Community College Monday morning to hear Bill Clinton pitch voters on his wife.

"I was a solid Bernie voter, but now I'm not so sure," Mendola said after listening to the former president's remarks, which focused on the stakes of the election and Hillary Clinton's experience. "If Bernie won the primary and lost the general election, I think that would be disaster. So even if don't like Hillary as much as Bernie, I feel more confident that she would win the general election. And I think that's what's going to persuade me to vote for Hillary if I do."

He was not the only one to express that view here, and the Clinton campaign is hoping many more voters will follow.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/hillary-clinton-s-closing-argument-primary-n490486

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
17. She is so full of shit
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 09:49 PM
Jan 2016
Clinton said she’s the only candidate in the race who’s pledged to “raise middle-class incomes, not middle-class taxes.”
 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
20. They are still trying to gin up some kind of fake narrative to match their campaign.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 10:03 PM
Jan 2016

I'm sure several devastating losses in a row will set them straight. It is a real shame they have to embarrass themselves like this, though.

George II

(67,782 posts)
41. Sanders has so few REAL supporters, I'm sure she wasn't trying to win any of them over.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 11:53 PM
Jan 2016

She's already in General Election mode.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
51. those loathsome Sanders supporters will do anything
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 08:48 AM
Jan 2016

except join the reality based community.
Just a few short weeks until Bernie Berns out and Warren endorses Hillary again!
Come on everybody, lets sing the Hillary for President theme song!

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
67. arent the supporters the problem?
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:52 AM
Jan 2016

I heard Bernie supporters are praying for economic devastation at home.
Im pretty sure Bernie supporters cause cancer and will be the death of Bernie's campaign.
Maybe a flashlight and some GPS will help detect OBVIOUS

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
45. Indeed she didn't. All she did was show how disconnected she is from reality.
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 08:19 AM
Jan 2016

The 90-ies are over. Stop campaigning as if they aren't.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
50. How many Hillary supporters is Bernie converting?
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 08:44 AM
Jan 2016

Bernie needs to convert far more Hillary supporters to have any chance to win the primary.

Meanwhile, Hillary can win with her existing support levels.

Vinca

(50,267 posts)
57. It's a shame Hillary is such a risk in the general.
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 09:02 AM
Jan 2016

This whole election is becoming terrifying. This has become the year of the outsider and Hillary is as insider as insider can get. I used to think if Trump was the nominee she could beat him easily, but I'm hearing more and more stories about Democrats who support Trump . . . sort of like Reagan Democrats only dumber. If Republicans who think Trump is a nut still vote for him over Hillary, she could be in trouble.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
59. She won't win the general election with her "existing support levels"
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 09:16 AM
Jan 2016

Right now she barely edges out Trump in polls. Trump! That's pathetic.

And after months of negative ads dragging up Clinton slime and scandals, she's toast. The lesser of two evils won't cut it anymore, especially when it isn't really that much lesser.

So yeah, if her goal is to win the nomination, she has a pretty good shot at that. But that's as far as she's going to get.

tex-wyo-dem

(3,190 posts)
71. I agree with you...I fear Hillary would be a...
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 01:14 PM
Jan 2016

Disaster for the Democratic Party, and by extension, the rest of us. If she becomes the nominee, the repugs will mercilessly beat her campaign with negative everything...and they have lots and lots of material to draw from. I fear she would lose the GE, because she simply can't get the independent vote.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
58. I believe and trust Bernie. I don't know what Hillary will evolve into next.
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 09:02 AM
Jan 2016

But I do have a feeling that she will be the same as she's been all her life.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
66. Did Sanders get the same treatment from Clinton and O'Malley
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:51 AM
Jan 2016

supporters at this democratic event? Yeah,I didn't think so.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
70. Well at 60% I suppose she could win over some Bernie Supporters and get to 65%
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 12:54 PM
Jan 2016

but I don't think it's necessary...do you?

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
75. "Clinton says she will pay for the same programs with increased effective tax rates on the wealthy
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 05:28 PM
Jan 2016

wealthy and corporations." What a laugh. By the way the "tax rates" don't mean a thing for the wealthy and big corporations. They simply don't pay what the rates are, they find loopholes.

If she were to try to raise the taxes (not rates) on her wealthy friends, they'd demand their money back.

Hillary Clinton is worth close to $50,000,000. She is an American Aristocrat.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
88. ...!
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 09:11 PM
Jan 2016

How could we believe her given the lifestyle she lives these days? Why should she give a damn about the rest of us? What did "WE" ever do for her?

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
89. It's clear that amassing a hugh personal wealth is very important to her. I think it will
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 09:54 PM
Jan 2016

influence her decisions. Quid Pro Quo is what her sponsors are counting on.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
82. disingenuous on the tax issue as usual. She wants students to have skin (money) in the game,
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 08:37 PM
Jan 2016

Then tries to make political hay out of a $1.38 tax hike to pay for family and medical leave for every worker. No moral center, just politics.

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