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Tue Jan 5, 2016, 01:22 PM

Thom Hartmann Just Called Bullshit on Hillary Supporters Claims of Bernie's DNC support

Just listening to Thom, he was referring to a post here on DU about how a Hillary Supporter claimed Bernie isn't raising money for the DNC. Thom is close with Bernie and he knows Bernie specifically offered to raise money for other Democratic Party candidates. The DNC has not followed up!

This is the DNC, not Bernie, and there are members here, using this as a divisive tactic against Bernie supporters. These members could be members of her campaign, DNC insiders or zealots who want to turn anything against Bernie.

DON'T BELIEVE THEIR BULLSHIT!

Thank you Thom! You have always been and always will be a true friend to DU and to the true liberal cause!

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 01:26 PM

1. Truth doesn't have the microphone these days

but people know.

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Response to mmonk (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 01:40 PM

14. hell...reality dosen't have th mic these days!

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Response to mmonk (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 12:19 AM

173. Le Sigh. I miss Air America Radio...

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 01:29 PM

2. When ya got nuttin'......you fling poop. Speaks for itself.

Total no-brainer.

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Response to nc4bo (Reply #2)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 02:13 PM

17. Hartman is nothing but a political hack for Sanders

 


He misleads his listeners about Clinton's: He is an ideologue
he would never understand a practical politician that work
for the best for their country.

Hartman doesn't know thing one about run for the nomination
and with his support of Nader: He handed the country to Bush.

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #17)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 02:34 PM

22. it didn't take long for this spew I see

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #22)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 05:23 PM

73. Well if lies are going written by Sanders supporters they will be

 




met with truth;

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #73)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 12:18 AM

172. Right....

Lies... meaning anything that doesn't fit the inevitable narrative.

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #73)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 03:13 AM

178. Link or slink. Oh, and also see Replies 157 and 99.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #22)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 05:35 PM

254. This little one's been busy today. Too busy to conjugate their verbs!

 

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #17)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 02:40 PM

26. Spoken Like A True HRC Supporter

Like it is said, "If you don't like the message, you kill the messenger".

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Response to Oldtimeralso (Reply #26)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 05:29 PM

75. That is right I am a Hillary supporter: I know Hartman has been

 


make up theories and nonsense about Hillary all along.

Hartman is no messenger: he is an attacker of Hillary

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #75)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 05:36 PM

79. Hartmann has been supporting Hillary all along.

 

He constantly says good things about her and never puts her down. If you've heard his show you'd know that.

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Response to senz (Reply #79)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 05:44 PM

82. No he has not: He starts by saying program saying he supporters

 



Hillary and then uses the rest of the program bashing and letting
Sanders supporters basher her.

Hartman just tries to be a little sly about it, but he doesn't
fool anyone:

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #82)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 05:57 PM

84. If she's the nominee he'll gladly vote for and promote her.

 

He never says anything bad about her and often compliments her. But unfortunately, lewebley3, Hillary and her campaign make it hard for many of Thom's listeners to like her.

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Response to senz (Reply #84)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 06:15 PM

96. In meantime he makes crazy theories about Hillary: and Pushes

 


Sander who is only helping the GOP: Just like
Hartman helped Nader: he attack Gore so we all
got Bush.

I don't trust Hartman as a loyal Dem: he doesn't
care about the party: and its the party that
is only thing people have to keep out the GOP.

He radio man, with hot air:

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #96)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 10:59 PM

169. So everything that ever went wrong is Thom Hartman's fault?

 

Cuz he doesn't swoon for Hillary?

Thanks for that gem.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #169)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 01:56 PM

217. Hartman is in love with his own voice: He dosen't know Hillary

 

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #96)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 03:14 AM

179. Your posting style seems different.

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Response to merrily (Reply #179)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 09:09 AM

205. Agreed. Almost as though a completely different person's at the helm, trying to immitate lewbely3

We almost never see more than a sentence or two from lewbely3... and usually no more than two maybe three comments. Now, there's several paragraphs, numerous comments in a single thread, and words being used that I've never seen from lewbely3.
Something doesn't feel right about all that.

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Response to Bubzer (Reply #205)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 10:57 AM

211. Had the same experience with another Hillary supporter poster

a while back. Several people remarked about it. Then it changed back. Weird.

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Response to merrily (Reply #211)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 05:36 PM

255. Maybe there was a shift change?

 

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #255)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 10:26 PM

272. Always a possibility. I was told by someone who claimed to have retired from the DNC

that the call centers try to group people with similar writing styles.

In the case I am talking about, though, not on this thread, it was a poster whose posts I sometimes find difficult to understand who was away for a while. When the poster returned, the posts were clear as a bell.

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Response to merrily (Reply #272)

Thu Jan 7, 2016, 09:54 PM

320. There was like a sea of change with that one.

Amazing

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Response to Autumn (Reply #320)

Thu Jan 7, 2016, 10:23 PM

322. I saw a couple of posters point it out and s/he/it never acknowledged it.

Denials would not have changed anyone's mind anyway. It was just too obvious.

I'm interested to see what the robot posters will post.

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #82)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 09:02 PM

157. I can see that you don't listen to his show much

 

You just spew the stuff that you want to.
Sure, he favors Sanders, but he has spoken well of Clinton on many an occasion.
Whenever a caller calls in bashing Clinton, Thom always says that he will support her if she is the nominee.
You often have to listen to more than the first few minutes of the show to find this out though.

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Response to senz (Reply #79)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 06:19 PM

99. Not only does he say good things about her,

he doesn't allow others to put her down either. Anyone who gets negative on her, I have observed several times when he cuts them off and directs the flow to positive. He is a Bernie supporter, but he holds to the same high standards that Bernie sets in not going negative.

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Response to Paka (Reply #99)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 06:23 PM

103. Exactly! I've seen the same thing.

 

He bends over backwards to be nice to Hillary and won't let anyone knock her.

I know Thom has standards, so it must be hard at times...

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Response to Paka (Reply #99)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 07:19 PM

115. I only get 30 minutes to an hour as I drive to work,

but I have never heard him smear Hillary, have heard him say positive things, and have heard him stop others from going negative.

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Response to Oldtimeralso (Reply #26)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 02:49 PM

234. Hartmann not messenger: he is a talk show host:

 


To Sander supporters he is your gr-grue: He is not a
messenger to the Dem party.



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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #17)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 02:42 PM

31. a practical politician that work(s) for the best for their country.

 

Like those who think boots on the ground in Syria is good for the country.

Or that Big Banks weren't a big deal in the lousy economy.


"with his support of Nader: He handed the country to Bush."

You just lost any thinking person's support with that crap.

You heard it here folks! Hartman is the reason we had Bush!

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #31)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 02:52 PM

35. Isn't that totally absurd?

 

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Response to Duval (Reply #35)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 03:38 PM

46. not only totally absurd

its crazy talk!

love Thom Hartmann, btw...he's awesome!

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Response to yuiyoshida (Reply #46)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 06:05 PM

90. Crazy talk!

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #31)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 03:25 PM

39. +1

i wish these people would crawl back under their rock if they can't offer reasonable discussion.

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #31)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 05:21 PM

72. Don't know who you mean by (those) : What said was true

 

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #17)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 03:55 PM

54. You forgot

He is also a paid Putin propagandist as he has a show on RT. He must secretly support the Russian oligarchy and has been faking his librul beliefs all this time. This means, like Putin, he also admires Trump. Its so obvious.

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #54)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 05:35 PM

78. I have listen to Hartman's for years: He doesn't help Dem's

 


His show is about whining and complaining about people
have who who actually put themselves out for running
office.

He has to much hot air: he comes up crazy theories about
people he doesn't understands or knows

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #78)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 05:57 PM

85. You just proved you have never listened to him, not once. n/t

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Response to cui bono (Reply #85)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 06:10 PM

92. No, he comes on after Stephanie Miller: I was a fan for years

 

Last edited Wed Jan 6, 2016, 02:51 PM - Edit history (1)


He is for Sanders and has just turned Hillary basher I can't
listen to his long winded nonsense anymore.

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #92)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 07:30 PM

118. Prove it. Post audio or video of him bashing Hillary.

Put up or shut up.

.

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #92)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 10:56 PM

167. mmkay...



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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #92)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 03:16 AM

180. I second cui bono'S request: link or slink.

You were a fan of Hartmann for years?

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Response to merrily (Reply #180)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 12:41 PM

213. Strange that a person could be a fan for years and have no idea about the show's actual content eh?

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Response to Bubzer (Reply #213)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 06:20 PM

262. Or how to spell his name...

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #78)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 09:28 PM

163. Um yeah

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #54)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 09:05 PM

159. That's right Hartmann supports Bernie

 

so that tRump can win and make Putin VP!

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #17)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 04:24 PM

63. Thank you for 'splaining it to me.

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #17)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 05:56 PM

83. Okay, how many back and forths must we go this time?

You've already tried, unsuccessfully because you aren't speaking the truth - to slander Hartmann.

HE DOES NOT BASH HILLARY. Try actually listening to him or else provide proof of your claims.

.

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Response to cui bono (Reply #83)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 06:16 PM

97. I will repsond when I want: You are always able to pass

 

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #97)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 08:07 PM

133. Can't you see that no one believes you because a) they know better, and b) you refuse to link?

 

So yes, do what you want when you want. But don't expect to be taken very seriously if you can't back your claims.

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #97)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 09:39 PM

165. Post the audio of Hartmann bashing Hillary.

 

We're waiting.

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Response to JRLeft (Reply #165)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 02:23 PM

224. Buy the pod cast

 

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #224)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 03:59 PM

240. Homie you're fool of shit.

 

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Response to JRLeft (Reply #240)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 04:45 PM

244. NO I don't have time tutor

 

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #244)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 06:38 PM

266. You seem to not have any available time ...

To back up your ridiculous assertions . Maybe wash your hands , smearing all this shit cannot be sanitary .

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Response to TheFarS1de (Reply #266)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 07:51 PM

268. That's their job: ridiculous, left-smearing assertions n/t

 

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Response to JRLeft (Reply #165)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 02:53 PM

236. The pod cast ready and waiting anytime: But I doubt Sanders people

 


will hear anything but what they want to hear.

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #97)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 02:49 AM

176. You made a claim.

Now back it up.

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Response to GoneOffShore (Reply #176)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 02:45 PM

233. I did;

 

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #233)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 03:30 PM

239. Links and citations

Without those you're just blowing smoke.

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #97)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 03:20 AM

181. Yep, you will respond again and again, endlessly, but not with proof of your claims.

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Response to merrily (Reply #181)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 01:55 PM

216. I have made one claim that I support HIllary a Democratic for President

 

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #216)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 01:59 PM

218. FALSE. You made claims about Hartmann, right on this thread.

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Response to merrily (Reply #218)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 02:18 PM

220. As Clinton supporter that I Claim to be: Hartmann talks out of two

 


sides of his mouth: that just is just my opinion concerning
Hillary. My Claim is that as supporter I hear nothing bashing and crazy
made up theories from Hartmann that have nothing to do
with his ideologue theories

Hillary was on Chris Mathews last night: She said it herself: she
is a practical politician that brings people together

and that she is a Dem: Hartmann pushes every crazy idea that that go back 20years or more:

He cannot judge Hillary he is an Ideologue and more than someone in the GOP

But I take your point about making my claim ittle to broad
for you to understand.

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #220)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 02:20 PM

222. As I said, you will reply endlessly, but without supporting your claims.

Now, you've made even more claims about Hartmann.

Nothing is wrong with my understanding, nor did you say anything beyond my ken. Link or slink.

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Response to merrily (Reply #222)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 02:22 PM

223. Hillary record has supported my claims and if not all opinions

 



that are share with most Dem's

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #223)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 02:23 PM

225. FALSE. Hillary's record does not support your claims against Hartmann. Link or slink.

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Response to merrily (Reply #225)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 02:29 PM

227. Wrong: Hartmann cannot support his claims about Hillary: he just

 



speculates about things Dem party he knows nothing about,


He would say anything to help Sanders

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Wed Jan 6, 2016, 02:31 PM

228. Endless replies. No support for claims. Link or slink.

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #17)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 06:45 PM

110. This post is deliberately misleading.

Regarding Thom's vote for Nadir, Thom has always pointed out that the state where he made this vote was already solidly going for the Democratic nominee. He knew that his vote for Nadir would cause utterly no problem for the Democrat.

My primary reason to come to DU is for enlightenment, not to be misled. Looking further at your posts regarding FELLOW DUer Thom Hartmann .....well let me put it this way: Have a nice day.

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Response to chknltl (Reply #110)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 03:21 AM

182. +1

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Wed Jan 6, 2016, 12:42 PM

214. +1

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #17)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 08:30 PM

146. Conservatives hate Hartman and all that dare speak truth to power. Thom is a progressive

 

and progressives love him. Those that hate him are not progressives. Let's get this straight. The primary fight is between the Progressives and Sen Sanders and the Conservatives and their HRC.

The DNC, the corp-media and the conservative billionaires all favor H. Clinton because she is one of them, she is conservative. She voted with the other conservatives on the Iraq War, BECAUSE SHE IS A CONSERVATIVE.

We need change from the corruption of big money in government. HRC is not that change.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #146)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 02:45 PM

232. Hartmann doesn't speak truth to power: He has never run for office: He

 



is a radio host that just talks all day: about people who
are trying to makes things better by putting themselves
online by running office and taking risks.

Hartmann is nice: and mostly with his heart in right the
place: he is a little ego driven to help Sanders.

He just shouldn't pretend he is in the middle: he is a left
wing ideologue

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #232)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 02:53 PM

235. What does Thom support that warrents you calling him an "ideologue"?

 

What do progressives support that you don't agree with? I keep asking and can't get a response from those that want to separate themselves from the progressives.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #235)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 02:54 PM

237. Sanders

 

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #237)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 04:49 PM

245. That's what I thought. It's Sanders' personality not issues.

 

On what issues do you disagree with Thom enough to call him an ideologue?

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #245)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 04:49 PM

246. No both

 

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #246)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 06:36 PM

265. You disparage the left or progressives as ideologues. What issues do these ideologues

 

support that you do not?

Here is a partial list of what progressives usually support:
Strengthening Social Security (e.g., raising the cap)
Opposing job killing "Free Trade" agreements
opposed to fracking for oil company profits over people's water
Helping college students afford college (telling them to get a job doesn't cut it)
Making major corps pay their fair share of taxes
Ending the unregulated domestic spying
Ending drone killing of terrorist "suspects" in foreign lands
Reducing the defense budget
Taking a hard stand against torture and indefinite detention.
Ending the militarization of our local police forces.
Ending Prisons for Profits
Legalizing marijuana esp. for medical use.
Funding rebuilding our neglected infrastructure.
Single payer health insurance.
Regulation of Wall Street (e.g. reinstate Glass-Steagall)
Break up the big bank and media monopolies.

you can add others that you like.


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Thu Jan 7, 2016, 01:41 PM

303. The verdict is in...

 

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This poster makes a habit of continually badgering other members believing that other owe him an explanation.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Jan 8, 2016, 07:39 AM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Abuse of the jury system; ALERTER should be reprimanded.
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Explanation: So, what's wrong with a poster asking another poster to explain his/her allegations?
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Explanation: You can't be serious. How does this call for alert?
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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #303)

Thu Jan 7, 2016, 02:03 PM

305. Thanks for posting that. Sadly a "politically liberal" DU member wants to silence

 

instead of rebut. Apparently it's ok to call someone an ideologue but not ok to ask "why". I've been getting about one of these per day. The last one was also 0 - 7 leave.

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #17)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 10:58 PM

168. Half right wing isn't practical

 

It's stupid. You can't include the problem as part of the solution.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #168)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 02:37 PM

230. Another crazy useless theory: What works is people coming together

 



no have ideologue in charge: they don't compromise that is what is
wrong with the GOP; Hilary has experience and will keep
an open mind: and when the opportunity comes she
work for all Americans as she has all along.

Politics is the art of the possible, not what every one wants.

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #230)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 10:34 PM

274. what you are talking about does not exist

 

Your 'nothingness is what we need' theorum is pointless

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #274)

Thu Jan 7, 2016, 12:30 PM

293. Yes it does: its call the Dem party and Hillary with other

 


have long history of working to get things done.

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #293)

Thu Jan 7, 2016, 02:37 PM

307. No ideology = no core beliefs

 

AKA rudderlessness reaction to whatever the right does. AKA including GOP input in solving problems caused by GOP policies.

AKA halfpublican

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #17)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 12:14 AM

171. lewebley3, you're completely out in right field on this one.

Thom Hartman has ever been on the forefront of the liberal winds. He's one of the few voices that speaks the from the heart of the progressive movement. You wont find him having ever bashed hillary, nor will you find anything he's said about her that wasn't true and substantiated.

"He handed the country to Bush." - You need to back off the crazy talk. You seriously need to dial it down and back away for a bit. Talk like that comes across as more than a little unhinged.

No single talk show host wields the power you're trying to ascribe him... I wish Thom had it... it would guarantee Sanders the presidency.

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Response to Bubzer (Reply #171)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 03:39 AM

184. Left field, my friend. There's nothing rightabout making false claims, esp. about Hartmann, not even

right field

As an aside, "way out in left field" was one of my mother in law's many expressions. Not being much of a follower of sports, I knew what she meant by it, but I never got the expression so vividly as I did when we went to Fort Myers to watch the Red Sox in spring training while Manny Ramirez was playing left field. Always a wild card (hence the expression "just Manny being Manny?), Manny really loosened up in spring training. One day, he was way, way out in the far corner of the field, performing for the fans. As I watched and laughed, I heard my mother-in-law's voice in my head saying, "He's way out in left field." And I finally really, truly got it.

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Response to merrily (Reply #184)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 08:22 AM

199. The choice of right versus left was actually intentional in this case.

The usual quote of being out in left field felt, to me, more like an implied compliment when viewed in the context of the political spectrum. I felt this was especially true as I've never seen anyone but a right-winger attack Thom Hartman the way lewbely3 did.

So, saying he was out in right field was a nod to the saying while also stating that the attack was more consistent with right-wing ideology. It was a wee bit obtuse on my part... but it was one of those moments where the concept crystalized in my head, and I just kinda had to go with it.

Either way, I appreciate your intent. Thanks!

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Response to Bubzer (Reply #199)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 08:40 AM

201. Not obtuse and I appreciate the explanation.

As my politics buddy once observed, "I'd really like to know who decided that Republicans should sit on the right of the House." I barely even use the word "right" anymore. I use "correct."

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Response to merrily (Reply #201)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 09:01 AM

204. Same here.

Too many conservatives deem being on the right and being right as one and the same. It's most irritating when it feeds someone's confirmation bias.

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Response to Bubzer (Reply #204)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 11:30 PM

280. Yep. OT, but watching Manny Ramirez act up and finally getting my

mother in law's expression on a visceral level is such a fun memory for me. It was also the first time I actually enjoyed watching a baseball game. Thank you for allowing me to indulge myself in that anecdote without complaining.

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Response to merrily (Reply #280)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 11:55 PM

288. Happy to oblige

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Response to Bubzer (Reply #171)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 02:26 PM

226. He doesn't speak for Dem's: He bashes the Dem party: He is a Sanders supporter

 



I know I did listen to him for years: He did support Nader, I heard
doing his buddy thing with Nader just before Bush was elected.

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #226)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 06:13 PM

259. Link or slink. Its your claim, you have the burden of proof.

And before you go there, telling others to listen to unspecified podcasts isn't proof.

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Response to Bubzer (Reply #259)

Thu Jan 7, 2016, 12:37 PM

295. No the burden you to do your homework, and get a pod cast

 


He is going down the road like Randy Rhodes,
she was okay until she had a melt down: She
had vicious cat attack on Hillary in a very
personal way (to be fair Randy attack other
people too).

I like him until he started running Sanders campaign
from is his radio show.

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #295)

Thu Jan 7, 2016, 12:54 PM

296. Sorry but that's not how argumentation works. You made a claim, you have the burden of proof.

A claim made without proof is dismissible without proof. No proof? Didn't happen.

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #17)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 09:24 AM

208. The SCOTUS handed the country to Bush.

I am so sick of this false Nader bullshit coming up again and again.

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Response to blackspade (Reply #208)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 02:02 PM

219. Then you are sick of the truth: Sanders people are Nader people

 

who gave the country Bush: they are same people who
occupied Wall St and are now whining about GOP politics
with Wall St: that didn't show up to vote

While real Dem's were out knocking on doors to keep
Dem seats: Sanders supporter were just out bashing
banks, country and Dem's:

But didn't vote

I am sick of the lazy whining of the far left at Dem party
who do the real work to protect the American people the
best they can.

Nader supporters are self indulgent

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #219)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 06:24 PM

263. Dude, I live in Tennessee and I voted for Gore.

If Gore had won our home state, it wouldn't have mattered.

I also voted for Obama.

I won't, however, vote for Hillary. Therefore, your assertion is crap.

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #263)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 08:47 PM

270. +1

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #263)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 02:00 AM

331. Someone I love in Missouri offered to "trade votes" with me in 2004.

He would vote for Kerry in Missouri, where it might matter some, if I would vote for Nader in Massachusetts, where it would not matter at all. In hindsight, my choice was probably not in Kerry's best interests and I wanted him to win, so points off for teh stupid. However, I just could not bring myself not to vote Democratic.

The false crap that gets posted on this board about Nader, leftists, etc., is contemptible.

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #219)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 08:46 PM

269. What a torrent of counterfactual bullshit.

Sanders people are not 'Nader people'
Nader didn't cost Gore the election, SCOTUS did.
Occupy was and is one of the key sources of the political awakening among the young.
Young people do vote, and turned out big for Obama...twice.
Your characterization of Sanders supporters and the 'far left' smacks of agism and willful ignorance of the politics over the last 20 years.

Pedal your selfish elite establishment nonsense elsewhere. DI might be a better fit for you.

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Response to blackspade (Reply #269)

Thu Jan 7, 2016, 12:33 PM

294. Yes they are!

 


But, they are also: they same people that supported
McGovern, Mondale, etc.

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #294)

Thu Jan 7, 2016, 12:55 PM

297. I thought older Democrats were breaking for Clinton by huge margins.....

That undercuts your "Yes they are!" exclamation since most Sanders supporters were not old enough to vote for McGovern or Mondale.
I'm unclear as to what your issue with those two men is either.....
Essentially you have presented no facts that back up your 'assertions' in this thread.
Just an incomprehensible word salad of bullshit.


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Response to blackspade (Reply #297)

Thu Jan 7, 2016, 01:03 PM

298. Media matters says; Hillary has one of the strongest level

 


of support from the Dem's in history right now.

But even better over all most already American trust Hillary to
lead the country.

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #298)

Thu Jan 7, 2016, 01:11 PM

299. Having a "Squirrel" moment?

Try to stay on topic here.
What were you trying to say about young Sanders supporters voting for Nader, McGovern, and Mondale?
You're all over the place on this and seen to have a lack of understanding of both recent American history and the political process.

And what happened to you over the last month or so?
You used to write in coherent sentences.
Now you have out of place words and your sentence structure is garbled.

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Response to blackspade (Reply #299)

Thu Jan 7, 2016, 01:14 PM

300. No I have been in same place: You just don't like it.

 

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #300)

Thu Jan 7, 2016, 01:26 PM

301. Don't like what?

The word salad? The ahistorical statements?

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Response to blackspade (Reply #301)

Thu Jan 7, 2016, 01:28 PM

302. That I am Dem: not a Sanders supporter

 

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #302)

Thu Jan 7, 2016, 01:56 PM

304. Not mutually exclusive.

But you know that.

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #17)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 10:02 AM

210. Thom Hartmann

He's an actual liberal, in a world full of con-servative radio. He's always been in league with Sanders, and that's a great thing, because Sanders is a human-connected Democrat, instead of the modern corporate connected version, like Bill and Hillary, or Obama.

I understand Sanders volunteered for raising money for the DNC. That said, it really would not bother me if he didn't. The modern Democratic Party needs a stake driven through it's heart. We need to get back to the party of workers, or unions. We need to get back to regulating corporations, not taking huge contributions and joining Republicans in allowing oil spills, fiery train derailments and such. We need to get back to a party that includes the poor in their platform, working or not, one that pulls for good minimum wages, and full-employment economies, one that focuses more on our home, than on killing foreigners in every skirmish across the globe, one that puts 90% of their effort toward helping America, not more effort at killing others in foreign lands, creating MORE terrorists.

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #17)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 06:17 PM

261. A. He does not lie about Clinton.

Just because he accurately describes her lousy policies, doesn't make it a lie. He DOES, however, defend her and warns people to vote for her if she's the nominee because he thinks she's better than any Republican.

B. He did vote for Nader, but while living in a very, very blue state. His vote wasn't going to change the fact that Vermont would go for Gore.

C. Supporting Nader did not give the country to Bush. The Supreme Court did that. Gore actually won Florida.

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #261)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 12:42 PM

332. Hartman only knows Hillary from the cheap seats of knowledge

 



Hartman has never run for office: he doesn't
under stand politics: He understands issues
that is why he talks all day.

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #261)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 02:32 PM

333. What lousy policies she is not President of US now:

 

The GOP have lousy policies, they crashed the economy
after the Clintons handed the country a healthy economy,
that was in the black, just like Brown is doing in Calif.
Obama polices have worked, and the country has
gotten better under him: its the GOP that have
blocked wages, and blocked national infastruction
projects that would have rebuilt the middle class
in whole if the GOP wouldn't stepped in its way.

Eisenhower's GOP, would have supported the rebuilding
of America: Todays GOP hate Obama skin more than
the care about the America: but then they are just
a party of greed nowadays:

Don't underestimate the damage the GOP with their
new party of greed hate will do if Dem's
don't stop them.
Heck, under Bush more than 50,000 factories closed: Mitt was
closing down factories while he was running for office.


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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 01:29 PM

3. I don't buy that

This is the kind of thing that .5% of political junkies pay attention to. No other voter has even heard of this "controversy," thus it would be massively ineffective as a "divisive tactic." I'm almost certain the DNC would rather have the money.

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Response to firebrand80 (Reply #3)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 01:33 PM

6. you have third way in your sig line,

please just go away--srsly

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Response to jkbRN (Reply #6)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 01:35 PM

7. k

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Response to jkbRN (Reply #6)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 06:19 PM

100. Think that's your call to make, do you?

How very interesting.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #100)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 07:43 PM

120. The commenter made a polite request.

 

No "call" whatsoever.

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Response to senz (Reply #120)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 07:45 PM

121. Telling someone to "just go away" over a sig pic is a "polite request" now?

Oh, wait. Just saw who I was responding to.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #121)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 07:48 PM

124. Don't misquote. They said, "Please just go away."

 

Polite request.

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Response to senz (Reply #124)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 07:57 PM

128. I have absolutely no idea why you feel the need to insert yourself into this conversation

and why you think that putting a "please" in front of a needless, mean spirited request makes anything better, but this is probably one of the dumbest conversations this web site has ever seen. And that's really saying something.

I've never seen people so eager, actually DESPERATE to fight over nothing. And it is ever so telling. And quite unintentionally hilarious.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #128)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 08:00 PM

130. LOL

 

Pot. Kettle.

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Response to senz (Reply #130)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 08:02 PM

131. Every bit as pointless as your other contributions here so props on the consistency

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Response to Number23 (Reply #131)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 03:52 AM

188. Your posts to and about everyone not in line with you have been quite consistent as well.

And I've finally had a bellyful. Had you on ignore and GD: P trashed until I got called to jury one of your particularly acidic posts in GD.

In any event, since your posts to and about Bernie supporters have been so very consistent, I do get your approval of consistency. Bear in mind what Emerson said, though.

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Response to merrily (Reply #188)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 05:13 PM

250. Always the same.

How DARE you respond to me!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Good God if it weren't so utterly pitiful it would be funny. Or is it the other way around?

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Response to Puglover (Reply #250)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 10:30 PM

273. Yep. And ad homs. And now,

irony, too. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=978576

At least, I enjoy irony. The rest of it, not so much.

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Response to merrily (Reply #188)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 05:20 PM

252. Wow, I actually skipped right over this post when it showed up in My Posts!

It's as though I knew prematurely you've have nothing of interest to say...

Reading now...

Right. I'm sure there is something interesting in all of that tangle of words but I got caught up in the "USED to have me on ignore." Would be immensely obliged if that were to change pronto. Gracias!

Oh, and that goes QUADRUPLE for the little hanger on-er that always shows up in threads to high five anyone that tries to come after me but yet, never seems capable of doing so himself. Not that I'm complaining (or even all that interested) either way.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #252)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 10:51 PM

275. Tangle, my ass. Six minutes, my ass. Hanger on? What on earth are you on about?

AFAIK, I've replied to one of your imperious posts only once before this thread and, IIRC, that was over a year ago.

Then again, never mind. I don't care and I'm sure whomever you're ranting about will get your "quadruple" message telepathically, even though you posted it to me, for whatever bizarre reason. LOL!

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Response to merrily (Reply #275)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 11:03 PM

277. Damn, I was haughty downthread and now I've been promoted to "imperious??"

Hot damn, that's pretty spiffy!

If only all of these high falutin' adjectives -- which all sound so INCREDIBLY close to uppity -- came from someone who's opinion I genuinely cared about I'd be feeling pretty good about myself right now...

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Response to Number23 (Reply #277)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 11:10 PM

278. Sow. Reap. Play victim. Attempt a smear. O.K. nt

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Response to merrily (Reply #278)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 11:32 PM

281. I don't need to "play a victim" everyone here sees what you guys are about

Wait, were you guys actually trying to be subtle?

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Response to Number23 (Reply #281)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 11:34 PM

282. Everyone here has been your posts to and about Bernie supporters.

And, again, I answer for my posts and only mine. I have not tried to hang all the ugly posts of every Hillary supporter on you. That's nonsense.

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Response to merrily (Reply #282)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 11:37 PM

283. Oh, I know you guys must have seen my posts re: Sanders supporters because NOTHING ELSE

could even come close to explaining this absolutely idiotic pile on from your crew over my innocuous first post in this thread.

Like I said, do you really think you guys are subtle?

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Response to Number23 (Reply #277)

Thu Jan 7, 2016, 03:53 PM

311. Shit....they should just call you "uppity" and get it the fuck over with. nt

 

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #311)

Thu Jan 7, 2016, 03:58 PM

312. I said the exact same thing. I love how some of these folks around here think that they are subtle

Far be it for us to let them know that everyone -- and I do mean EVERYONE -- sees right through them.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #312)

Thu Jan 7, 2016, 04:08 PM

313. Subtle as a brick. nt

 

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Response to merrily (Reply #188)

Thu Jan 7, 2016, 11:48 PM

327. Hat tip for you....

One of my favorite quotes from Emerson! Nicely played!

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Response to Docreed2003 (Reply #327)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 01:55 AM

330. Thank you. I appreciate it.

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Response to senz (Reply #130)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 03:42 AM

185. I wish I had a nickel for every time a Hillary supporter told this person or group or another to

leave DU.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #128)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 08:09 PM

134. Probably the same reason I feel the need to insert myself right here.

 

As my good friend Sid says, I like pissing off all the right people. Welcome to the DISCUSSION BOARD.

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #134)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 08:12 PM

136. An excellent use of your time. As long as this keeps you out of threads on BLM, have at it

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Response to Number23 (Reply #136)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 08:14 PM

140. What do you have against BLM?

 

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #140)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 08:17 PM

141. LOL!!!!!

Keep trying, dear. And maybe, JUUUUUST maybe, you'll get somebody to buy that faux concern one day.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #141)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 08:24 PM

143. I'm not DEAR to you. Don't ever do that again. Clear?

 

I won't take the personal attack. Again, I ask you, what do you have against BLM? If you have something to say, this, right now, is the time for you to screw up your courage and speak clearly. If you don't have the courage of your convictions, then move along. But in either case, you're to stop with the condescending name-calling.

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #143)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 08:26 PM

144. You jumped up into this for no other reason than you wanted to get into it with somebody

and now you've got it. The idea that you think you can tell me or anyone else here what to do is simply PRECIOUS and beyond adorable, particularly when you initiated this idiotic and pointless conversation.

Don't like it, float on, dearie. And everyone here has seen your unhinged attacks against Black Lives Matter members so I have no idea why you are going the "who me??" route.

I thought the exchange with that other poster upthread was going to be the dumbest, most excruciatingly unnecessary exchange I was going to have today!! You have already run RINGS around that bit of nothing!

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Response to Number23 (Reply #144)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 08:56 PM

153. I asked you to stop calling me Dear. I meant it when I asked you that.

 

I don't know how to make this any clearer to you.

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #153)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 08:57 PM

155. FLOAT ON and I won't have to call you anything at all. And believe me, NO ONE wants that more

than I do.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #155)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 09:03 PM

158. You won't have to, or you won't choose to?

 

Are you aware that you're using the same rationale that some very, very bad actors have used throughout history? Sure, this is on a tiny Internet scale, but you went there. You CHOSE to name-call, and you chose to do it after I very specifically asked you to cease with the name-calling. Your sense of personal responsibility is your own. But I'm telling you to stop with this "dear" bullshit.

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #158)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 09:19 PM

162. The person who called a black activist "subhuman" is now whining about being called "dear"

This is probably DU's Surreal Moment of the Year and is every bit as boring as it is hypocritical.

Even though I posted this to another poster it is incredibly apropos here:

I've never seen people so eager, actually DESPERATE to fight over nothing. And it is ever so telling. And quite unintentionally hilarious.


So by all means, keep up this yawn inducing chest thumping over "dear." This isn't the most unnecessarily idiotic thing posted on the Internet ever or anything. So kind of you to squeeze this bit of nothing in between the other 6 shouting matches and hilariously pointless chest thumping you're doing in this thread.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #162)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 02:20 PM

221. Asking for civility is surreal, hypocritical and boring? And all while being hypocritical yourself.

You're odd dichotomy of surreal being boring aside, you object to someone else's name calling but insist on doing it yourself.

I suppose you think the black protestor in question should be granted respect, in spite of her disrespect shown by calling everyone at a Bernie Sanders rally "liberal white racists"? Or, for that matter, the way she literally jumped up and down on stage and screamed her demands at the host, all while the host was trying to relay to the crowd that he was going to give her time to speak? How about the way she failed to denounce her cohort for physically pushing Bernie Sanders (which is assault and a federal offense)?

I do not and will not respect Marissa nor her cohorts. They are NOT representative of the movement for equal rights for PoC, regardless of if the leader of the "leaderless" BLM, Patrisse, post-hoc included them as part of BLM or not.

That someone else has strong feelings toward those protestors does not justify your disrespect. Call them on it, by all means, but derisive name calling simply justifiable.

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Response to Bubzer (Reply #221)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 04:02 PM

241. I love this idiotic pile on. Please keep it coming.

If you recall, I was the one who asked for "civility"when I addressed a poster who basically demanded that someone leave DU for no other reason than a picture in their signature line. For that crime, a couple of DU's "finest" decided to pile on and and jump on my back for reasons that only they will truly ever understand or care about.

Lovely to see you've added yourself to this illustrious list. And if you think that calling someone "subhuman" because they upset your precious presidential candidate is justified or called for, then I am beyond glad that you leapt into this thread for the sole purpose of letting everyone know that. It's too bad that girl that was called "subhuman" just wasn't one of the "good ones" right?? Hopefully she's learned her lesson.

Thanks so much for chiming into this thread. I have never seen you before and that was probably for a very good reason. I know what to expect now.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #241)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 04:56 PM

247. I dont recall you asking for civility.

Looking at your comments, it'd be more than reaching to come to that conclusion. What I do find is that you've chosen to leap to the defense of the third way. Lovely to see you've added yourself to this dubious list.

And if you think that implying that I called or agree with calling someone "subhuman" because your upset your precious third way support and lack of civility has been challenged, then I am beyond glad that you leapt into this thread for the sole purpose of letting everyone know where your allegiances lie, and that you'll gladly seek to conflate one person's statements as being another's.

It's too bad that woman chose the actions she did. Bernie and the Host were trying to be accommodating... but she wasn't interested in that so much as trying to create a scene and to offend people. Kinda reminds me of what you're doing right now.

Thanks so much for chiming into this thread. I have never seen you before either. And since I suffer trollish behavior poorly, I see it was for good reason. I also know what to expect from you, and promise you'll be on my short list of candidates to be blocked should that style of discussion from you continue.

Have a great day!

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Response to Bubzer (Reply #247)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 04:58 PM

248. Your very clear defense of a poster who called a black activist "subhuman" is FAR more damning than

your made up, BS claim that I "defended" the Third Way.

You've already said everything that needed to be said about you. And best of all, you showed everyone who you are without even being asked. Well done.

Edit: And for shits and giggles just checked your favorite group on your profile. Gee, no surprises there. None at all.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #248)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 05:10 PM

249. Your very clear defense of a poster who supports the third way is FAR more damning and legimate

than your made up, BS claim that I "defended" a poster who called a black activist "subhuman".
Well, well, well... would ya look at that. Works both ways.

I may go so far as to say its possible you're not defending the third way... you are still, however, being hypocritical by calling names while being "offended" that the poster in question is doing so.

"You've already said everything that needed to be said about you. And best of all, you showed everyone who you are without even being asked." Right back atcha.

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Response to Bubzer (Reply #249)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 05:16 PM

251. Glad that you acknowledged that my "defense" of the Third Way is something you pulled squarely

out of your backside. Props on the progress, no matter how small.

But it's hilarious that you have chosen to leap to the defense of a poster who called a black Black Lives Matter activist "subhuman" -- which you have made it ABUNDANTLY clear you have no issue with and couldn't care about in in the least -- while simultaneously wailing and howling over me calling that same poster "dear."

I have absolutely no idea how you think this conversation makes you look good. Your loud, clear, UNEQUIVOCAL defense of that person calling an activist "subhuman" because she said or did something mean to Bernie Sanders has said every thing that needs to be said about you. An intelligent person would have realized that and stopped by now.

Edit: Oh and let's copy your post where you very clearly defended the calling of a BLM activist subhuman just in case you "accidentally" hit that self delete button:


Bubzer (1,773 posts)
221. Asking for civility is surreal, hypocritical and boring? And all while being hypocritical yourself.

You're odd dichotomy of surreal being boring aside, you object to someone else's name calling but insist on doing it yourself.

I suppose you think the black protestor in question should be granted respect, in spite of her disrespect shown by calling everyone at a Bernie Sanders rally "liberal white racists"? Or, for that matter, the way she literally jumped up and down on stage and screamed her demands at the host, all while the host was trying to relay to the crowd that he was going to give her time to speak? How about the way she failed to denounce her cohort for physically pushing Bernie Sanders (which is assault and a federal offense)?

I do not and will not respect Marissa nor her cohorts. They are NOT representative of the movement for equal rights for PoC, regardless of if the leader of the "leaderless" BLM, Patrisse, post-hoc included them as part of BLM or not.

That someone else has strong feelings toward those protestors does not justify your disrespect. Call them on it, by all means, but derisive name calling simply justifiable.


Definitely warrants calling someone "subhuman." Absolutely. Like I said, hopefully she's learned her lesson and is one of the "good ones" now.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #251)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 05:33 PM

253. There you go, stretching things again. The truth is a real problem for you it would seem.

You're defending someone who's third way. You came to their defense. Very clearly one could easily make the argument that you're defending the third way. I opened the door a smidge and said it was possible you were not...not that you did not. As for the subhuman comment, I'll gladly come out and say I strongly disagree with that term being used on anyone.

That said, you're not excused from hypocrisy. A person asked you multiple times to cease your derogatory name calling. It wasn't an onerous request. You could have made your point without resorting to name calling... I might have even chipped in an agreement... in fact, the only reason we're having this conversation is you chose to be hypocritical instead of taking the higher road.

"I have absolutely no idea how you think this conversation makes you look good. Your loud, clear, UNEQUIVOCAL defense of that person calling an activist "subhuman" because she said or did something mean to Bernie Sanders has said every thing that needs to be said about you. An intelligent person would have realized that and stopped by now." - The only thing loud and clear from me, is my UNEQUIVOCAL defense of that person's call for civility. To quote you: An intelligent person would have realized that and stopped by now.

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Response to Bubzer (Reply #253)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 05:39 PM

256. I defended absolutely NO ONE. The fact that this very simple fact escapes you is one of the reasons

this conversation has gone no where. That and your loud defense of a poster slamming a black activist with one of the nastiest, and yes, racist terms you can use to describe another person.

Me: Taking issue with someone demanding someone leave DU because of a sig pic and then not backing down when several posters -- you now included -- who are WELL KNOWN on DU for being some of the nastiest, most hateful people here decide to come after me, including a poster who called a BLM activist "subhuman."

You: Jumping in to "correct" me for calling someone 'dear' while having nary the first fucking word to say about the person who asked someone to leave DU because of a sig pic OR the poster who called a BLM activist "subhuman."

Do you see now the fault in this excruciating conversation and why I am dying laughing at it?? I sincerely don't see how you could be more hypocritical and yet... you are STILL HERE. Talking away, trying your hardest to chastise me as if you have a leg to stand on or as if any of this is making you look good.

I genuinely don't know which is funnier. Your wails and crocodile tears over me calling that poster "dear" or your copying and pasting my comments to you back to me. Either way I am literally wiping away tears reading your posts. Why don't you find something else to do? You have already exposed yourself and I don't understand what all of these extra words and posts are supposed to be doing to help you.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #256)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 05:44 PM

257. You defended absolutely no one? Really?

... ... ... ... ... ... ......

Okay. Your hypocrisy is just too much. I'm done with you.

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Response to Bubzer (Reply #257)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 05:47 PM

258. Yes, I can see why "think that's your call to make?" comes across as this strong defense to you

You could practically SMELL the rage coming off my post when I asked those, what ten words in my initial post!!one

I'm done with you

Thank the Lord. But you've been done waaaaayyy longer than you seem to realize.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #128)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 03:49 AM

187. It's what happens on a thread on a discussion board. People reply to whatever

sense or nonsense they feel like replying to. You've been here since 2008, so this can't possibly be news to you. Get over it.

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Response to merrily (Reply #187)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 04:03 PM

242. And yet another of DU's finest chimes in for no reason

You guys bring so much joy and delight to this board. I have no idea how long you've been here but I'm sure every single day has been a blessing to those of us fortunate enough to be in your online presence.

I'm sure you've been able to educate and illuminate tons of times in the six minutes a week that you're here and not jumping into useless pile on and launching personal attacks for absolutely no reason whatsoever.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #242)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 10:23 PM

271. LOL! Look who's talking about personal attacks!

Too bad you waste so much of your time posting how terrible Bernie's supporters are. After reading so many of your long-winded, haughty rants about us, most of us are unlike to care about your opinion of us--or your opinion about anything, really. I've finally had enough to object and hope some other Bernie supporters will follow suit. Thanks for this laugh, though. I love irony. Ta ta, TT

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Response to merrily (Reply #271)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 11:01 PM

276. Yes, you guys have done a fine, exceptional job of showing me how wrong I am to think that alot

of Sanders "supporters" here represent the worst of this web site and want nothing more than to fight with everything and everyone.

After reading so many of your long-winded, haughty rants about us, most of us are unlike to care about your opinion of us

Yes, the pile on by damn near a HALF DOZEN Sanders supporters -- no one else, all Sanders supporters to a one -- because I dared to question why someone was demanding someone leave DU over a pic in their sig line definitely proves your assertion that none of you care about what I think. If only I could have gotten the last hot guy I mooned over to be so "uncaring" I'd probably be calling him my husband.

And I'm haughty now, huh?? Sounds incredibly close to uppity. And coming from you, I'll take it as the compliment you so obviously unintentionally meant it to be. And I sincerely, truly and DEEPLY hope you mean what you say about putting me on ignore. Silence from you would be the sweetest of gifts. And I mean that.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #276)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 11:18 PM

279. See Reply 278. FYI, I am one poster.

Despite the irony in my Reply 278, I don't actually believe anyone else is going to extract a telepathic message from your posts to me. So, ranting about others when you post to me makes no sense at all. It's just hot air. But, you knew that. Oh, and I did not say I was going to put you on ignore. I said I once had you on ignore, until I found out jurying forced me to read your rants, anyway. Reading is your friend. Ranting, not so much.

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Response to merrily (Reply #279)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 11:38 PM

284. Oh, I know full well and good who you are

You better believe that. And I'm not talking about the banned poster since I saw you try that in your response to this post.

And I think it's hilarious that you're trying to pretend that you won't put me on ignore because that somehow then "forces" you to read my posts when they are apparently, inevitably juried on. That is absolutely too precious.

But thanks for the heads up, no matter how absurd. I've had a couple of empty spaces on my jury blacklist for a very long time and perhaps it's time for an update.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #284)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 11:44 PM

285. That you've never had me on your jury blacklist before speaks volumes.

Especially when I once had you on my ignore list. Thanks for the commendation!

On edit: I'm not Better Believe It or whatever that banned poster's name was and I've never been banned. Feel free to check with Skinner. So, you should keep that sly slur to yourself. Nitey nite.

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Response to merrily (Reply #285)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 11:46 PM

286. I'd just be happy if you floated on and left me alone

But I'd be extremely happy with you putting me on ignore. Like, OVERJOYED happy.

Adding me to your black list is probably a very nice (and now probably very necessary) extra bit of protection.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #286)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 11:53 PM

287. Oops. Did I imply making you happy is my goal? Or that I value your input? Nitey nite.

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Response to merrily (Reply #287)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 11:58 PM

289. You jumped into this thread to talk to me and now won't leave me alone or put me on ignore

despite needlessly announcing that you "had me on ignore in the past" as if I'd noticed or cared and despite my endless, heartfelt pleas for you to put me BACK on ignore. And even though you've hilariously and pointlessly said "nighty nite" five times by now in this thread, you keep replying to me.

So yeah, I appear to be in your head and taking up some space and I gotta tell you, that ain't where I want to be. Not one freaking bit! Nothing would make me happier than your last "nighty night" being the last one.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #289)

Thu Jan 7, 2016, 12:12 AM

290. "Jumped into a thread" on a message board. LOL! Too funny.

Replies are actually Standard Operating Procedure on a message board. You've been posting since 2008 and certainly should have grokked that by now. Nonetheless, I explain that very thing to you within the last 9 hours and suggested you get over it. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=977757

However, you've circled back to the implicit claim that posters don't have a right to reply to you. And now, you've added the gloss that replying to you on a message board creates some obligation to continue a discussion with you as long as you care to keep it going. What a unreal sense you have of the duty I have to you!

Funny as that may have been the first time around, I don't find your comments enjoyable enough to hang around while you repeat yourself.

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Response to merrily (Reply #290)

Thu Jan 7, 2016, 12:25 AM

292. WHY DO YOU KEEP SAYING GOODBYE AND NOT LEAVING??

What is going on with you? Do you not understand what "goodbye" and "nighty nite" mean in the context of the English language??

And my comments are not saying that you cannot respond to me. My bewilderment is that you KEEP responding to me even after MULTIPLE proclamations that you are not going to continue doing so and that you once had me on ignore so that you wouldn't have to read what I write but now seem to be going OUT OF YOUR WAY to not only read what I write but keep responding to it when you CLEARLY have nothing interesting to say.

For God's sake, use your jury blacklist and ignore like you said THREE POSTS AGO that you were going to. This has gone from pointless and stupid to simply bizarre now. I am ing and ing at the same time. This is absolutely BIZARRE. If your intent with all of this was to prove that I was wrong about the caliber of Sanders supporters that you represent, you have failed deeply, truly and HILARIOUSLY.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #128)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 06:26 PM

264. You inserted yourself into the converation, why can't senz?

Or is there some new rule that only Hillary supporters can insert themselves into conversations?

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #264)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 06:43 PM

267. This has reached new levels of absurdity now

But I truly don't believe that any of you guys participating in this have even the remotest capacity to understand that. Not in the least.

Or is there some new rule that only Hillary supporters can insert themselves into conversations?

I'd laugh but at this point, I'm kind of laughed out. And I've already pointed out several times how incredibly hysterical and hypocritical you guys have been in this thread. Now, you're just beautifully illustrating my point and helping me out. Not that I ever, EVER needed it.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #267)

Thu Jan 7, 2016, 02:26 PM

306. Lord have mercy!!

WTF was that hot mess?

I just scanned this little tag team showdown, and like you, I'm wiping away the tears.

WTF was that??


Girl, I just gotta say...if that wasn't the finest demonstration of your point, I don't know what it would be.

All I know is that apparently, a bellyful was had.

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #306)

Thu Jan 7, 2016, 03:22 PM

310. Because apparently to some, NOTHING proves "Sanders supporters are good, kind and noble"

better than a HALF DOZEN Sanders supporters trying to crawl up and down my backside for daring to question why someone more or less demanded that someone else leave DU because of a Third Way pic in their sig line -- all while pretending that the nasty and unnecessary request was "polite," that calling someone "dear" is far, FAR worse than calling someone "subhuman," and pointlessly announcing that I used to be on ignore but then denying my genuine and heartfelt pleas for them to put me BACK on ignore . And the sad little high five from the ever present member of the Peanut Gallery was the precious little cherry that this Sundae of Senselessness needed.

Got called uppity, I mean "imperious" AND haughty. A Hillary supporter (as per usual. And funnily enough, that "insult" from them is clearly the strongest arrow in their quiver) and a "defender" of the ubiquitous Third Way. It's been a hell of a good time. And I'm sure these same folks will continue to furrow their brows, forever quizzical why they make up the vast majority of tombstoned posters, timed out posters or people unable to serve on juries.

Sorry this post is so long but the recap was a bitch! And I left a bunch of stuff out! Like we both said, they could not have proven my opinion about them and their behavior more thoroughly, more gloriously and more hilariously than they did in this thread. And I thank every last single one of them.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #314)

Thu Jan 7, 2016, 05:20 PM

315. LOL!! I thought I was taking up space in that other poster's head

but I appear to have purchased a whole block of (admittedly low budget) condos in yours.

Your post is so embarrassing and ridiculous I don't even see the point in giving it much credence. The desperation and misery that leads people to carry on like you and your crew does is its own reward. I would expect nothing less than someone like you to call me "race baiting." I genuinely see your hatred -- because that's exactly what is is -- as a badge of honor. I TRULY need for you and your co-horts to understand that.

Should probably get a cloth to wipe that keyboard down. I'm sure that sucka is DRENCHED.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #315)

Thu Jan 7, 2016, 06:12 PM

316. And there you have it...

Well that little exhibitition pretty much sealed the deal.

That was incredibly nasty.

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #316)

Thu Jan 7, 2016, 07:09 PM

318. Because being nasty is such a life skill and so courageous when you're invisable on the Internet

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Response to senz (Reply #124)

Thu Jan 7, 2016, 06:58 PM

317. "Please go fuck yourself", is polite because I used "please" ?

 

alrighty then

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Response to jkbRN (Reply #6)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 12:24 AM

174. Right?

It's almost like someone stepped in a little somthing

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Response to firebrand80 (Reply #3)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 08:56 PM

154. The DNC would not rather have Bernie collect money for the DNC. If Bernie were to collect and

donate money to the DNC to be distributed to other candidates for lower offices then they could not claim exclusivity for Hillary.

Know who many of those candidates are? Super delegates, that's who.

Do you think when they distribute that money that any will go to a super delegate that supported Bernie?

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Response to A Simple Game (Reply #154)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 03:43 AM

186. I think you could be on to something.

I don't know if a (relatively) few dollars from Bernie at this time would sway a Super Delegate. However, I think certain people would love to keep saying things like, "He's never done a thing for the Democratic Party" without fear of contradiction. If I am correct, the sillies could have it both ways by taking the money and saying "He never did a thing for the Party until he ran for President," which they have been saying anyway.

And, of course, it enables them to say things like "Hillary raised $18 million for other Democrats and Bernie raised nothing," without getting bogged down in detail and contradictions.

Nice deducing there, A Simple Game!

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Response to merrily (Reply #186)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 07:45 AM

196. Thanks for the praise, it means a lot coming from you merrily.

Yes I really do believe it is intentional, Hillary and DWS don't care how much they raise for down ticket candidates. They don't even care if Democrats beat Republicans as noted when DWS campaigned openly for Republicans in Florida. They only care about getting Hillary back to the White House.

It seems they have an agenda and it has nothing to do with improving the United States or even the Democratic party.

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Response to A Simple Game (Reply #196)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 07:55 AM

197. I agree with you.

In theory, the job of the DNC--and therefore of DWS--is to promote all Democratic candidates for President impartially. I don't think it did that in 2008, and I don't think it's doing it now.

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Response to merrily (Reply #197)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 08:06 AM

198. Politicians of Hillary's and DWS's caliber rarely do anything without a reason.

That includes as in this case not doing something, like supporting Bernie's request to collect donations for the DNC.

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Response to A Simple Game (Reply #198)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 08:37 AM

200. Yep. Once again, "Follow the money" is revealing in US pollitics.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 01:31 PM

4. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, berni_mccoy.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 01:31 PM

5. I thought that the DNC was evil?

I mean, that what I hear on DU all the time.

DNC bad!!

So either ...

A) The DNC is evil, and so Bernie would be correct to not help them raise money,

OR ...

B) The DNC is NOT evil, and so Bernie should absolutely be helping them raise money.

Which is it??

DNC evil, or not evil?



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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 01:36 PM

8. False dichotomy.

DNC leadership isbad right now. Bernie should support the DNC. Bernie has offered. DNC has not taken him up on it because . . . wait for it . . . bad leadership.

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Response to Ed Suspicious (Reply #8)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 02:40 PM

27. Yep. Bernie is not Thirdway. Bernie offers

to help the Thirdway DNC. DNC refuses because Bernie is not Thirdway. The Thirdway is a crime against the American population along with the Republicans.

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Response to Phlem (Reply #27)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 08:28 PM

145. yep see my sig!

 



Ta-DAHH

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Response to sonofspy777 (Reply #145)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 09:48 PM

166. Nice!

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Response to Phlem (Reply #166)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 11:48 PM

170. Who has the Turd one


In the Sig Line?

I really like that one!

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Response to Marty McGraw (Reply #170)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 09:28 AM

209. Good question. We should find out who has that sig line and get them to share the link!

Delete the space between "http://i.imgur.com/" and "e4E1Bdm.jpg" then paste it into your sig line

http://i.imgur.com/ e4E1Bdm.jpg

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Response to Bubzer (Reply #209)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 12:11 PM

212. Ha! That's it!



💩 (っ- 益 )っ









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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 01:38 PM

12. Any organization can fall into bad hands.

 

That doesn't make the organization itself bad.

We should try not to play games.

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Response to senz (Reply #12)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 03:38 PM

45. Then why do I see the DNC being trashed regularly ...

... particularly by supporters of Sanders?

I mean, equating Hillary supporters with the DNC is generally a slur around here.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #45)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 05:28 PM

74. Because with DWS, the DNC fell into bad hands.

 

DWS is a former Hillary campaign organizer in Florida. She is in the pocket for Hillary and has taken actions that are advantageous to Hillary and disadvantageous to Sanders and O'Malley.

It is surprising that you don't know this, Joe.

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Response to senz (Reply #74)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 05:58 PM

86. Then again, why give DWS any help?

She runs the DNC, making it mean any nasty ... so why would Bernie help her?

She's just going to waste the $$ on "bad dems", right?

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #86)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 06:06 PM

91. I don't think Bernie sees it that way.

 

Also, you rely too much on exaggeration. It comes off angry and sarcastic and I don't think it helps to make your point.

Reread what you said --

She runs the DNC, making it mean any nasty ... so why would Bernie help her?

She's just going to waste the $$ on "bad dems", right?

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Response to senz (Reply #91)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 06:14 PM

94. I'm repeating what I hear from Bernie ...

... supporters right here on DU.

Connecting some one (anyone) to the DNC on DU is usually an attack. A way to claim some one is not a real liberal.

You pretending to not be aware of that fact does nothing to help your argument.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #94)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 06:20 PM

101. Not from Bernie, from some of his supporters

 

and that's because DWS is the proverbial "rotten apple that spoils the whole bunch."

DNC needs a good cleaning and airing out.

As for real liberals, you do realize that DLC/Third Way/Blue Dog Dems aren't real liberals, don't you? This should be obvious.

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Response to senz (Reply #101)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 06:23 PM

102. But shouldn't Bernie shun the DNC?

You left the DNC out of the standard attack list.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #102)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 07:03 PM

111. That's what I meant by exaggeration

 

with a sizable undertone of sarcasm.

The only people I've known who did that were middle-aged conservative men who were in the habit of practicing self-control at all times. If I were dealing with that, I'd probably try funny movies, getting outdoors and running around, playing sports, hugging the people I love, being with kids, and just ... playing.



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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #102)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 07:32 PM

119. By your logic he should also shun running for President

Because the office of the President has not been as progressive as Bernie would like.

Bernie is running as a Democrat. This means that WHEN he gets elected, he will need as many Democrats in the House and Senate to help pass legislation. So it makes perfect sense to raise money for the greater cause. This is a separate issue than the head of the DNC being in the tank for Hillary.

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #119)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 07:46 PM

122. Beautifully logical. Thanks, LLL. nt

 

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #119)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 08:13 PM

138. But if the DNC is helping to elect more Dems ...

... won't those Dems be bad Dems?

Again ... the DNC is vilified here on DU on a a daily basis.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #138)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 01:06 PM

215. You keep equating the current DNC leadership with the DNC. The DNC has been co-opted.

That doesn't make the organization bad... it makes the organization mismanaged. Under DWS, the DNC lacks any semblance of the fairness we dems tend to demand. Being unsupportive of the current leadership has little to do with being supportive of other Dems. Denouncing the DNC's actions is the right thing to do for those who want to pressure DWS out of leadership. That's nowhere near your hyperbolic "evil" appellation.

If your child misbehaves, you punish the child, else they'll do it again. It's no different with the DNC. With Debbie at the helm, the DNC is misbehaving... dems are calling out the organization for the biased actions directed by DWS. She has become toxic within the democratic party. When (not if) she is no longer in leadership, she'll be heavily marginalized, and her ability to affect political changes will be diminished. That, in effect, is the punishment... not to mention the clear conflict of interest between her and hillary, visible to the voting public. So, hillary is negatively impacted as well.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #138)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 04:37 PM

243. Nice move of the goalposts there

So you've conceded the point that raising money for the DNC is not the same as donating to Hillary's campaign, or endorsing DSW. good.

So now on to your new angle:
Bernie has absolutely zero influence on this election cycle on who is running and who is not running as a Democrat. Would he prefer being able to work with true Democrats instead of those mostly southern based Blue Dog DINOs? Of course. But just as I can concede, however distasteful it is, that Hillary Clinton in the White House would be preferable than any of the clowns in the Republican party, I'm sure Bernie would also rather have more Ds than Rs to work with. He would also IMO be a little less shy to call out and embarrass those DINOs than Obama ever had the stomach for.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 02:41 PM

29. That's some fancy thinking there Joe.

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Response to Phlem (Reply #29)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 06:00 PM

88. Folks keep explaining how bad the DNC and

... and DWS are.

Apparently, they hate Bernie, so why would he help them?

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #88)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 08:13 PM

139. You weren't paying attention when the world switched from 8- to 64-bit, were you?

 

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #139)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 08:38 PM

149. Is that all you have?

Not a big surprise.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #149)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 08:58 PM

156. Yep. You've found the limit of my intellect, in a one-line post.

 

You should be thankful for such small surprises. And while you make that into a koan, you might also meditate on my original meaning, rather than on your own Comeback Remark Score (you got a 7.1--not bad).

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #156)

Thu Jan 7, 2016, 11:24 PM

326. If 10 is the highest, then 7.1 is way too generous for

"Is that all you've got?"It's canned. With 10 being the highest possible score, I'd give it a .5. JMO.

Oh! Maybe this is why they never asked me to judge any Olympic events? Well, that and my near total lack of knowledge. But I do know something about evaluating posts.

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #139)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 08:41 PM

150. That settles it. I don't know

 

who you are but I admire how you handle these things.

The way you dealt with the individual who called you "dear" got my admiration going. I've been practicing assertiveness lately and that was a particularly good example of how it's done. So, thanks!

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Response to senz (Reply #150)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 09:05 PM

160. And I don't really know who you are, but I've been enjoying your posts.

 

Nice to meet you, senz. I wish I could live up to the nice words you said about me, but that's not always the case. Anyway, I do appreciate it, and I'll see you on the front lines.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 04:10 PM

62. +1

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 08:33 PM

147. C) The DNC is engaging in an elaborate scheme to bypass limits

Hillary Victory fund money goes to state party and then is transfered back to the DNC.

The party, in a monthly report filed Friday with the Federal Election Commission, said it raised $43,500 from the Hillary Victory Fund, with $10,000 donations from billionaires, including hedge fund manager S. Donald Sussman and Hyatt hotel heir J.B. Pritzker.

In the same report, the Alaska Democratic Party said it transferred an equal amount of money, $43,500, to the Democratic National Committee -- a move that, while legal, helps to effectively “obliterate” federal limits on donations to the national committee, according to one campaign finance expert.

http://www.adn.com/article/20151221/outside-billionaires-fuel-joint-effort-between-clinton-alaska-democrats

I think Bernie should steer clear of this. It isn't much of a problem for his campaign as few of his donors are maxed out.

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Response to Mnpaul (Reply #147)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 08:37 PM

148. Then why is he helping the DNC?

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #148)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 08:52 PM

152. How much did he raise for them?

I don't see Bernie doing an end run around the rules.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #5)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 03:58 AM

189. No end to the fscking "damned if he does and damned if he doesn't" gotcha bs, now is there? None.

What was the date of Sanders' agreement with the DNC?

More importantly, why are more concerned with whether Sanders agreeing to raise money for other Dems than you are with whether the DNC has been fair to everyone who is running, or was running, for the 2016 Democratic Presidential nomination. Cause I haven't seen one professional journalist or pundit, Republican or Democrat, criticizing Sanders for agreeing to raise money for other Dems, but I sure have seen and heard a lot about how unfair the DNC is being when its job is to be impartial.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 01:37 PM

9. Thom, like Bernie, speaks the truth. Thank you, Thom and thank you, berni_mccoy!

 

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 01:37 PM

10. Which makes "some people"

incredible, imo.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 01:37 PM

11. Not buying it. One bit.

 

Never seen someone pass the buck so much.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #11)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 01:43 PM

15. You think Thom is passing the buck?!?

Says a lot about you then.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Reply #15)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 03:45 PM

50. indeed, some gladly become the best witness for their own prosecution

 

it's almost like martyrdom is attached to defending any and all hillarian efforts, and despite how indefensible they are shown to be

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #11)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 04:12 AM

190. Really? I've seen he Clintons pass the buck PLENTY. What I have seen only rarely, and only

when one or both of them have something to gain by it, is taking responsibility.

As for your unjustified statements about what you do or don't buy, pffft. Not the least bit persuasive and who cares anyway?

I'll take Hartmann's word that he made public under his real name, giving the DNC opportunity to rebut (if it can), over a simple, anonymous "I don't buy it" any day of the week and twice on Wednesdays.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 01:38 PM

13. Follow the money, no, the money has not arrived.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #13)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 04:17 AM

191. Totally missing/ignoring Hartman's point. Why am I not even a little surprised about?

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 02:15 PM

18. Hillary supporters are lying????

 

No. I can hardly believe that.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 02:19 PM

19. Hartmann doesn't have BS on Hillary: He only has BS on Sanders

 

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #19)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 02:36 PM

24. Oh OK.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 02:24 PM

20. BOOM!




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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 02:27 PM

21. This should be posted in the Bernie group.

Any pro-Bernie thread posted anywhere else gets a slew of responses from ignorant Hillary wannabes. Please post this in the Bernie group if you haven't already. Thanks. Great post.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #21)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 04:00 PM

58. Right. Because it's always so much better to get a one-sided response.



Some of us aren't afraid to post in GDP, where someone might disagree with us.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #58)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 05:11 PM

70. Have you watched Bernie's speech yet? He gave it today.

It's great!

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 02:35 PM

23. K&R!!!!

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Response to postatomic (Reply #25)

Thu Jan 7, 2016, 07:43 PM

319. Been meaning to ask

 

is there a theme to your sig line photos? I find them all rather odd and disturbing.

Also, is that Robin Williams in your avatar?

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Response to postatomic (Reply #321)

Thu Jan 7, 2016, 10:27 PM

323. Okay.

 

I loved Robin Williams. Loved his intelligence, his quickness, humor, kindness, heart, his broad shoulders and hairy chest, just everything about him. At work, he was the screen saver on my computer, to the amusement of my coworkers. I knew he had depressions, alcohol abuse, problems. After his suicide, I was angry with his wife, as reading between the lines I determined that she didn't really love him. After learning about the Lewy Body Dementia diagnosis, I could understand why he did what he did. Later I found out how lonely he had been as a child and wished again that I could have known him, could have given him the love he needed. I hope he's happy somewhere.

If hope your attraction to messed up people is based in compassion and not in superiority, curiosity or ridicule. I also hope you realize that most if not all "normal" people have layers and layers and layers.

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Response to postatomic (Reply #324)

Thu Jan 7, 2016, 11:02 PM

325. Appreciate the reply, postatomic.

 

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Response to postatomic (Reply #324)

Sun Jan 10, 2016, 01:25 AM

335. ...

 

I hope my questions were not the reason you removed your photographs. I had not intended to make you feel self-conscious, and though I initially questioned the motives behind the photos, your response addressed my concerns and so there was nothing left to say. Glad you also cared about Robin Williams, and if any of this made you uncomfortable, please accept my apology.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 02:41 PM

28. Is THAT what I've been seeing?

 

I wondered what all of this "Bernie doesn't raise money for others" crap was about.

I suppose Hillary is going to be in debt for millions to polling firms and ask for a bailout like the last time.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 02:42 PM

30. I'm glad Thom has time to call out random internet commentators.

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Response to Blue_Adept (Reply #30)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 02:48 PM

32. Thom has consistently discussed topics on DU, mentioning DU specifically when it sources from here.

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Response to Blue_Adept (Reply #30)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 03:30 PM

42. "Random"?

 

Like he put on a blindfold and threw a dart? Of course not.

And yes, political commentators are generally aware of the internet. I'm sure you wouldn't be so sanguine under similar circumstances favoring Clinton.

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Response to bvf (Reply #42)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 03:57 PM

55. I don't particularly care one way or another

The only reason I even bother posting somewhat in favor of Clinton around these parts is that the place is overwhelmingly for Bernie.

My primary isn't until March and I likely won't even bother to show up for it. I let the die-hard activists figure it all out anyway.

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Response to Blue_Adept (Reply #55)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 04:03 PM

59. Yes, don't vote. Always good advice. n/t

 

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Response to bvf (Reply #59)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 04:06 PM

60. I'm not invested in the primary. I'll let those who are the strong advocates fight it out.

And I'll support whoever comes out on top from those that are putting in the hard work to suss out who's best.

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Response to Blue_Adept (Reply #60)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 04:46 PM

66. I can't believe what I'm reading here!

 

Every voter is an advocate--that pretty much defines the word. I wince every time I hear someone--anyone!--say something like that.

You're effectively abrogating your responsibility as a citizen with that way of thinking. I don't care who you support, however weakly, or to whatever extent you may believe your vote doesn't count.

Forgive me for saying so, but that mindset is as responsible as anything for the condition of this country.

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Response to bvf (Reply #66)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 04:52 PM

67. 45 years of being jaded by politics. One can give only so many fucks after awhile.

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Response to Blue_Adept (Reply #67)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 05:08 PM

69. You've got maybe five years on me

 

and I'll give most folks a run for their money when it comes to jadedness, believe me.

Don't give in on this, and I say this to the most ardent Clinton supporters (and all others) as well:

Vote, Goddammit!

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Response to Blue_Adept (Reply #60)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 01:05 AM

175. in my state, if you do not vote for a candidate in the primary

in your registered party, you are unable to vote in the general

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Response to hopemountain (Reply #175)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 05:54 AM

195. What state is that so I can make sure I never move there

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Response to Blue_Adept (Reply #30)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 03:32 PM

44. He's a DU member. n/t

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 02:48 PM

33. YES, Thom Did Mention It AND It Does Happen To Be

THE TRUTH! But, truth isn't something that has much meaning when THE BIG BOYS/GIRLS want it ignored!

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 02:49 PM

34. I just heard him! Hartmann always knows what he's talking about.

 

And did you hear him when he pointed out what other networks were showing? None were showing anything about Bernie. It's really outrageous. I DON'T believe their BULLSHIT. When he wins New Hampshire and hopefully Iowa, they will all HAVE to take notice.

And thank you, berni-mccoy, for posting this.


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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 02:53 PM

36. They are both wrong. Sanders and the DNC *have* a joint fundraising committee.

 


Joint fundraising was illegal prior to the 2014 McCutcheon decision. Democrats arguing against the decision argued that it would open up joint fundraising. The nefarious five laughed that nobody would ever do that.

Democrats TOLD THEM they were going to do it, and the idiots wouldn't believe them!

Hillary has joint fundraising committees with the DNC and each of the 50 states. Bernie only has one setup with the DNC. This greatly multiplies the amount of money an individual donor may give to the DNC and/or the states.


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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 03:06 PM

37. oh I know that...

when I last donated they had this odd button I hadn't seen before. so when I donate $10 $5 goes to burner the other $5 goes to whomever is hosting the fundraiser. Naturally I didn't like that split so I tilted it $9 to $1 $9 to Bernie I wasn't being an ass and give them zero. thats Debbie's job

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Response to PatrynXX (Reply #37)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 08:45 PM

151. Hey. A few months ago, I unsubscribed to the DNC. They ask why. I keyboarded that DWS

was not helping the cause of democracy. So now I am wondering if that is how the Clinton Campaign began emailing my private email account without my permission to tell me that donating to the Clinton campaign would make me a Clinton supporter. I was very angry. Wondering if the DNC left the door open when the firewall went down exposing all of the email addresses to either or both campaigns. Until the investigation is complete, I believe that the Clinton campaign got my email address from the DNC.

Clinton supporters told me on the DU HC Group that Sanders campaign staff gave my email address to the Clinton Campaign. For my inquiry, DU banned me from that group. I am waiting on the results/findings of the investigation of the several firewall drops made through the DNC, not the candidates.

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Response to DhhD (Reply #151)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 03:01 PM

238. if you have ever donated,or just answered a phone survey that says you support any dem candidate

the dnc has your info

all three dem campaigns can see that info all the time,no one had to steal or give anything away

what the data breach was about is a separate list that has supporter info beyond what all candidates campaigns can see

for example:

johnsmith

home addy
email addy
phone number

supports hc and a number range showing how strong that support is

more than likely hc just did a mail bomb of every dem/leaner that the dnc has collected over like 20 years

hope you can work things out with the bernie group,there has been so much animosity, feelings are easily to hurt and the net itself is difficult to communicate on so misunderstandings happen

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 03:14 PM

38. Hey berni_mc !!! - You Might Find This Interesting:

 

Clinton is not the only Democratic presidential candidate with a joint fundraising committee linked to the DNC. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) has one that just raises money for the DNC, but not state parties. The DNC offered these joint fundraising agreements to the candidates in an effort to capitalize on popular figures who could help build the party's war chest. Only Clinton accepted an agreement that included state parties.


From: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251975367

The whole thing is an interesting read.






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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 03:25 PM

40. Sanders campaign inks joint fundraising pact with DNC

Ahhh...... I'd like to buy a clue for $100.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/bernie-sanders-2016-fundraising-dnc-215559

It is Sanders that hasn't followed up.

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Response to postatomic (Reply #40)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 03:31 PM

43. That does not refute what Thom has said nor does it counter the fact that

Bernie has offered to work with the DNC on fundraising.

In fact, it only affirms that Bernie has been willing to work with the DNC.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Reply #43)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 03:50 PM

52. It's up to Bernie to follow through with this

By fundraising for the DNC. I know that the DNC is the Dark Angel that fell to earth, but Thom is just playing to the anger and fear. And he is lying if he indeed said "the DNC hasn't followed up".

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Response to postatomic (Reply #52)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 04:07 PM

61. "Thom is just playing to the anger and fear."

Now I know you are full of shit.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Reply #61)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 04:34 PM

64. "Now I know you are full of shit"

Sure. That's me. The shitmeister.

The move, which comes more than two months after Hillary Clinton's campaign signed such an agreement in August, will allow Sanders' team to raise up to $33,400 for the committee as well as $2,700 for the campaign from individual donors at events.

The candidate rarely headlines fundraising events, and is not close with many big-money Democratic donors, but he has been working to prove his proximity to the party in recent months as he competes with Clinton.

The Vermont senator, who is an Independent but caucuses with Senate Democrats, also recently lent his name to a fundraising letter for the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, according to a campaign adviser, in another indication of his slowly growing ties to the party's infrastructure.


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Response to postatomic (Reply #64)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 04:43 AM

192. A Sanders spokesman said just a few days ago that the DNC have never come forward with any dates

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Response to postatomic (Reply #308)

Thu Jan 7, 2016, 02:45 PM

309. I'd love for you to dig further and find some evidence to support what you're claiming.

It would be very illuminating.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 03:29 PM

41. Lies! It's all they've got.

They can't fight on the issues because Bernie's correct on every one of them, so they have to resort to lies and posting bogus corrupt corporate owned polls to make HRH even begin to look palatable to voters. If you can't win an election based on facts and honesty, you have no business running for president.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 03:40 PM

47. K & R

 

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 03:43 PM

48. well, ignorant or dishonest aren't flattering choices

 

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 03:45 PM

49. DON'T BELIEVE THEIR BULLSHIT!

Not just about this particular issue either.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 03:46 PM

51. Yep.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 03:52 PM

53. It's not as if DU isn't loaded with divisive anti-Hillary talk.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 03:57 PM

56. I just saw where an alert was posted on Thom Hartman's YouTube Channel

The Jury voted to Leave IT ALONE

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 03:58 PM

57. I"m calling bullshit on Thom Hartmann. Sanders could have helped through the DSCC

the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, which is run by a different group of people. (I get fundraising requests from them frequently.) Or he could have helped individual candidates.

Also, his campaign -- which should know better than T. Hartmann -- has said Bernie has "plans" to fundraise for the national party, NOT that the DNC has caused any problem.



http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/sanders-campaign-raised-33m-october-36056246

Sanders, by comparison, did not raise any money for the DNC last year, although his campaign has said it plans to fundraise on behalf of the national party.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Senatorial_Campaign_Committee

The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee (DSCC) is the Democratic Hill committee for the United States Senate. It is the only organization solely dedicated to electing Democrats to the United States Senate. The DSCC's current Chairman is Senator Jon Tester of Montana, who succeeded Senator Michael Bennet following the United States Senate elections, 2014. The DSCC's current Executive Director is Tom Lopach, who is assisted by Deputy Executive Director Preston Elliott.

http://action.dscc.org/blue-senate-2015/?ms=SEM_GS_Evergreen15-S_DSCC-Ex_46859055812

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 04:36 PM

65. Lol this line....

These members could be members of her campaign, DNC insiders or zealots who want to turn anything against Bernie.


Whoa.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #65)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 04:53 PM

68. hillary supporters are not real liberals

Read it a few times here today that they're not liberal at all, in fact.

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Response to Blue_Adept (Reply #68)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 06:13 PM

93. Such a lame attack.

... Is it March yet?

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 05:16 PM

71. Bernie signed an agreement with the DNC to raise funds

and so far he has raised nothing for them. That is not bullshit, it is fact.

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Response to nc4bo (Reply #77)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 05:37 PM

80. Huh

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Response to Progressive dog (Reply #80)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 06:40 PM

109. Sorry Progressive, that's what I get for surfacing (and responding) on DU

via cellphone.

Things get twisted. I usually catch it before clicking *post my reply" but not this time.

Please forgive me for my egregious error.



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Response to nc4bo (Reply #77)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 06:00 PM

89. 'Fraid ya lost me, nc4bo

 

but then, I can be kinda slow...

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Response to senz (Reply #89)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 06:25 PM

105. I thought the OP was about Sanders refusing to name CEOs.

Then the post above me refers to him raising funds for the DNC.

just as poster responded "huh" to me was EXACTLY the way I felt with his/her DNC comment.

Apologies wrong thread. I'll delete

Its tough browsing on a cell.

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Response to nc4bo (Reply #105)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 07:09 PM

112. LOL, thanks.

 

Happens to the best of us!

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 05:29 PM

76. Hartmann's partisan bias is showing. eom

 

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 05:41 PM

81. Thank you Thom...at least the Swarm can't give you a Hide!

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 05:59 PM

87. Maybe Debbie was on a conference call with Sheldon Adelson when he tried to tell her?

You know, priorities. There are terminally ill cancer grannies running loose who need to go to prison for marijuana, and some things need to take precedence.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 06:15 PM

95. I 2nd the bullshit call!

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 06:17 PM

98. Was Hartman a Naderite?

If so his judgement is suspect. Nader voters gave us Bush and the Iraq war.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 06:23 PM

104. I am glad you are a fan of Thom's, so when he says OF COURSE he will support Hillary if she

is the nominee, I will look for all Thom fans to also.

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Response to randys1 (Reply #104)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 06:40 PM

108. I'll support her if she's the nominee. But she's not the nominee, yet.

Meanwhile, we should ask ourselves what Debbie Wasserman Schultz was doing during all this, given the allegations of ignoring the Sanders campaign offer.

Was she too busy coordinating with Sheldon Adelson to wage war on medical marijuana users?

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Response to randys1 (Reply #104)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 07:15 PM

113. Not all of his fans are DUers

 

so they probably aren't too concerned about what you're looking for.

I guess people will vote for whom they damn well please.

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Response to senz (Reply #113)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 07:17 PM

114. True Thom fans will vote for whoever the Dem candidate is.

Sorry if that bothers you.

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Response to randys1 (Reply #114)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 07:28 PM

116. LOL, they'll vote for whomever they please.

 

It's still a free country. Yes, a free country. Sorry if that bothers you.

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Response to senz (Reply #116)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 07:29 PM

117. And true fans of his will freely vote against the terrorists. NOt complicated

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Response to randys1 (Reply #117)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 07:58 PM

129. Because you say so?

 

Doubtful.

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Response to senz (Reply #129)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 03:30 AM

183. Hey, if anyone knows about fans of Sanders,

it's a poster who has been professing to be a Sanders supporter since Day 1. I haven't really seen him or her defend Sanders against the many posts here that slam Sanders. I've only seen him or her defend Hillary and talk about everyone voting for her in the general. I have, however, personally seen him or her say, on at least 3 occasions since May 2015, post that Bernie would be better against Wall Street than Hillary (ya think?) So, there is that. And, if I have personally seen it 3 times, I assume there are most posts like that.

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Response to merrily (Reply #183)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 09:22 AM

207. At least 4. nt

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 06:33 PM

106. Hi Thom. If you're still on the air

Name the Democrats (other than the DSCC) he raised money for and tell us whom Bernie had in mind to primary Obama in 2012 (not that he was a Democrat then).

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Response to RandySF (Reply #106)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 07:49 PM

125. He shoots. He scores. Boom!

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Response to RandySF (Reply #106)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 07:57 PM

127. Illogical

 

to assume that Thom can read Bernie's mind.

It looks like you're making Thom a stand-in for a candidate whom you apparently hate.

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Response to senz (Reply #127)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 08:09 PM

135. But I thought he's a close friend

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Response to RandySF (Reply #106)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 08:04 PM

132. Yeah, Thom would have actually provided a bit of proof if this had been his OP

The lack of which is kind of telling.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 06:39 PM

107. Typical tactics

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 07:48 PM

123. OK Thom. Name the fundraiser SBS held.

 

SBS couldn't care less about the party, which lines up real well with you.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 07:53 PM

126. If Thom said it,

I believe it. That settles it.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 09:15 PM

161. this doesn't pass the smell test

 

...where has Sanders supported other Democrats? When does he expect he'll contribute to other Democrats?

This should be the main feature of his revolution, the promotion of candidates who would be expected to carry his agenda forward in the legislature. Why is he waiting for the DNC to make that happen for him?


I know that his two rivals have independently and regularly provided material and on the stump support for other Democrats, even before they began their run for office. If anything, Bernie is late to this.

Some evidence that he's doing anything at all in this area beyond mouthing or signing commitments yet unfulfilled?

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 09:28 PM

164. Hartmann sounds like a snake oil salesman.

Hartmann began his business career in the early 1970s while in his 20s, co-founding The Woodley Herber Company. Woodley Herber sold herbal products, potpourris and teas, and operated until 1978.[19] It was during this time that Hartmann obtained three degrees in herbology and homeopathic medicine.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thom_Hartmann

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Response to RandySF (Reply #164)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 03:11 AM

177. And another solid Democrat goes under the bus.

I never heard of a snake oil salesman with three degrees in anything. Usually, they just hold themselves out as experts without doing the work.

Having had to recover from a prognosis of death and succeeding, I believe in whole foods and vitamin and mineral supplements and am grateful that people try to educate themselves about such things.

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Response to RandySF (Reply #164)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 04:44 AM

193. You're attacking Thom frikkin Hartmann now? Seriously?

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Response to Kentonio (Reply #193)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 04:51 AM

194. Thom Hartmann has been a DU member since 2006

And since that time has helped DU get promoted on his radio shows numerous time which helped the owners build this site. But I guess we can do personal attacks on DU members now without retribution.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=197528

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 08:47 AM

202. I love Thom Hartmann!

Smartest man in radio. I am still mad at Air America for leaving us with that dang RW hate speech.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 09:18 AM

206. DNC

The DNC is being managed by people who are promoting Hillary at every turn. That is a primary reason I don't donate to them, because they fail to support good democratic candidates, but seem to favor corporatists who are opposed to the principles of FDR AND most democratic voters.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 02:37 PM

229. Kicketty Kickin'

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 02:40 PM

231. If Thom Hartmann says something

 

I believe the opposite.

But by all means buy more gold and the super duper berry leaf extract juice he feeds his own family to maintain perfect health.


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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Thu Jan 7, 2016, 12:18 AM

291. Thom Hartmann that's the guy on Russian TV

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 12:57 AM

329. Hartman: Another Naderite that gave us Bush and the Iraq war

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 03:03 PM

334. Drat!

I hate it when the shit hits the fan!

Good thread, bernie!


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