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Tue Dec 29, 2015, 01:23 PM

Thom Hartman Just Had A Man Named Sam Smith On

his show talking about how DLC was started and who helped besides Al From. Apparently the Koch Brothers were there at the beginning. Sorry, I was in another room and only heard snippets so am wondering if someone here heard all of it.

Seems that it was in the beginning of Clinton's campaign when it all began. What I heard was that they now think they've completed their mission pretty much because they've succeeded in moving the Democratic Party so much to the RIGHT.

Would appreciate more information if anyone knows more. I have a function to attend and can't research right now. What I heard is the one member is ONE member of the DLC are the Koch Brothers and something about being members of the Executive Committee!

Gotta run, so sorry I just opened this up without more information. If nobody has more, I'll watch him again on my ROKU.

Thank you very much.

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Reply Thom Hartman Just Had A Man Named Sam Smith On (Original post)
ChiciB1 Dec 2015 OP
Cleita Dec 2015 #1
Scuba Dec 2015 #2
mmonk Dec 2015 #7
Scuba Dec 2015 #9
ViseGrip Dec 2015 #13
Ferd Berfel Dec 2015 #27
Hortensis Dec 2015 #37
Fawke Em Dec 2015 #39
cui bono Dec 2015 #83
pacalo Dec 2015 #94
daleanime Dec 2015 #89
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ViseGrip Dec 2015 #68
CoffeeCat Dec 2015 #72
hopemountain Dec 2015 #74
ChiciB1 Dec 2015 #102
passiveporcupine Dec 2015 #70
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hedda_foil Dec 2015 #81
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GeorgeGist Dec 2015 #3
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loudsue Dec 2015 #71
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Wellstone ruled Dec 2015 #5
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stupidicus Dec 2015 #10
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zentrum Dec 2015 #15
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Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 01:32 PM

1. I remember back the early days of DU, a DUer named Elorial pointed

them out and posted the website URL. After going through the site, I wrote them and told them that their policies were no different than Republicans. I directed them to the Heritage Foundation site for comparison. I never got a reply from them. I believe the website might still be cached out there in cyberspace.

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Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 01:33 PM

2. Two Koch employees were members of the original DLC Executive Council ...

 

http://americablog.com/2010/08/koch-industries-gave-funding-to-the-dlc-and-served-on-its-executive-council.html

And for $25,000, 28 giant companies found their way onto the DLC’s executive council, including Aetna, AT&T;, American Airlines, AIG, BellSouth, Chevron, DuPont, Enron, IBM, Merck and Company, Microsoft, Philip Morris, Texaco, and Verizon Communications. Few, if any, of these corporations would be seen as leaning Democratic, of course, but here and there are some real surprises. One member of the DLC’s executive council is none other than Koch Industries, the privately held, Kansas-based oil company whose namesake family members are avatars of the far right, having helped to found archconservative institutions like the Cato Institute and Citizens for a Sound Economy. Not only that, but two Koch executives, Richard Fink and Robert P. Hall III, are listed as members of the board of trustees and the event committee, respectively–meaning that they gave significantly more than $25,000.

The DLC board of trustees is an elite body whose membership is reserved for major donors, and many of the trustees are financial wheeler-dealers who run investment companies and capital management firms–though senior executives from a handful of corporations, such as Koch, Aetna, and Coca-Cola, are included.



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Response to Scuba (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 01:47 PM

7. A little sunshine always helps in being informed.

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Response to mmonk (Reply #7)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 01:49 PM

9. Badly needed disinfectant.

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 02:20 PM

13. More here from Sam Smith archives.....on Koch funding the DLC

 

How the Koch brothers helped dismantle the Democratic Party

https://samsmitharchives.wordpress.com/2015/04/14/6467/



Apr 14, 2015 - How the Koch brothers helped dismantle the Democratic Party ... It helps that the organization —founded after the 1984 election to move the Democratic Party to the right — has ... Bill Clinton was the face of the DLC in 1992.

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Response to ViseGrip (Reply #13)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 03:36 PM

27. You should post this one by itself!

But this explains Wild Bill bringing us:
WTO, GATT, NAFTA, Telecommunications ACT, end of Glass-Stegal, etc and why Obama (the DLC's anointed one) brought us the republican healthcare plan and.... T P P !

and I don't want to here how HIllary is 'her own person' and not part of the corporatist DLC cabal.

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Reply #27)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 04:16 PM

37. Wouldn't dream of it, Ferd.

And you're far from alone.

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #39)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 03:48 AM

83. +1

Adding my post to my journal so I can find and steal your pic and link.

And maybe even the yawn!



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Response to cui bono (Reply #83)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 04:17 PM

94. Heh -- I had just stolen the yawn when I read your post.

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #39)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 09:17 AM

89. Too often true....

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #39)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 04:14 PM

93. Ding-ding-ding!

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Reply #27)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:56 PM

68. I did a post! But I put it in GD to avoid the damn alerts!

 

Here is the link please go to it, and K&R!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027482279

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Response to ViseGrip (Reply #13)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:54 PM

72. And Bernie supporters are criticized...

...for not going along with Clinton!

These people are the real traitors to our Democratic party. They are a disease on our party and Bernie is the Z-PAC.

How dare they!

God, no wonder the DLC and the HNC hate the liberal wing of the party. We expect this shit from the Republicans. This is how Republicans are supposed to behave--kow towing to the corporations, tipping the scales to the millionaires, billionaires and CEOs. The Democarts are supposed to be the party of working people, and we're supposed to be the humanists who help our fellow brothers and sisters. That is the REAL Democratic party, not this Koch-infested wound on our party.

Bernie is our chance to take it all back!

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #72)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 01:14 AM

74. ++^^++

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Response to ViseGrip (Reply #13)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 10:34 PM

102. Kind Of Late Getting Back To This... BUT This Is What

Sam was actually talking about on Thom's show. This is the part I missed and when I went back to watch it my ROKU kept acting up. I tried FSTV and it wouldn't load either so I had to wait until I could connect. Mind boggling and pretty disgusting as far as I'm concerned.

AND now I guess Bill is coming on scene for Hillary, the tag team to beat back against Trump for starters. Sometimes I think it's fine that Bernie doesn't get all the attention on MSM because I feel many, many people have no idea about how many supporters he has. I DO think MSM knows and they're doing EVERYTHING they can to basically IGNORE his existence! This, in and of itself is truly UN-Democratic, small "d" on this one.

What blows me away is the fact that far too many aren't realizing that they are being played like a fine tuned fiddle. UNFORTUNATELY, and I say this because I recall a time when there was at least the appearance of one on one debate on any given show. These days it's ONLY what THEY want you to hear! Not much difference now between how FAUX NEWS works. It's a testament to how much POWER they have and how willing people are to accept this as NORMAL! Total manipulation leads to TOTAL MONOPOLY and that's where we're at.

The FOURTH Estate that Thomas Jefferson felt was so necessary has simply been bought by TPTB! All too normal to the UN-INFORMED, who think they're really INFORMED! Oh what a tangled web that's been woven and it should scare "we the people" MOST OF ALL! But I guess "not so much' anymore!

I have to wrap this up, I've read so many links the past two days that I'm about ready to hide under my bed so THEY DON'T find me and take me away!! A thought just ran through my brain about names of journalist who simply "went away" by some accident or unexplained reason. Then of course I always think about Paul Wellstone and the airplane accident. That was shortly after Clinton was elected as I recall. AND, it happened on my birthday too! October 25th so many years ago! We MUST help Russ Feingold all we can. I don't think he played their game, he lost his last election.

I know I was stopping... enough now!

and to those of us who see through the smoke, fog and mirrors!

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Response to Scuba (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:12 PM

70. The DLC board of trustees is an elite body whose membership is reserved for major donors

That right there tells me the DLC is just a group run by money and everyone knows when money is behind it, it's not progressive or left-leaning. We get what we pay for.

And I think the DLC has morphed into the DNC. Damn. Was not aware of this. Now I'm depressed.

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Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #70)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 01:17 AM

75. we can take it back and make it better

let's channel our depression/anger turned inward to get bernie elected and work hard to save our country & our citizenry from immolation.

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Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #70)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 02:47 AM

81. Reminds me of the way ALEC is set up.

I recall from when we first unearthed the forces behind the DLC, that they had a candidate questionnaire that screened out any liberal leaning hopefuls, while providing funding for those who were happy to play corporatist ball.

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Response to hedda_foil (Reply #81)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 03:02 AM

82. There's a lot of info on the DLC in the archives. Zorrah dug up a ton of it here.

DLC's PNAC document

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251495072Many, many exceptional links.

This is the motherhood.

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Response to GeorgeGist (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 03:46 PM

31. Just Got Back & Checked Back In AND

your link has Tom DeLay's NAME on it!! WTF???

I see I've been in the dark for way, way too long, even though I NEVER, EVER went over to the DLC side. I'm a DEMOCRAT and NOT a DLC DEMOCRAT!!

This is SICK beyond my comprehension! I've known for a very long time that MY Democratic Party has been moving more and more to the RIGHT and I've REFUSED to go that way!

Has there NOT been ANY effort to bring all this to light?? I feel so very, very stupid! I instinctively knew that I NEVER wanted to support Hillary now or in the past NOR did I support Obama back in 2008, but HE TALKED a good talk and as with most of us WE voted for him!

THIS MUST NOT CONTINUE! There seems to be very little difference or maybe I'm completely over reacting! I need some time right now to read these links and the cross posts, but I do want to say that I'm THANKFUL that I wasn't taken in!!

After I digest some of these links I'll be back... right now my head is spinning. And I thought I was pretty informed. Seems it's o only MY GUT that was guiding me!

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Response to GeorgeGist (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:16 PM

71. I'm bookmarking this sucker.

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Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 01:45 PM

5. The Modern version is ALEC.

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Response to Wellstone ruled (Reply #5)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 03:20 PM

23. +1

 

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Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 01:45 PM

6. K&R

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Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 01:47 PM

8. K & R !!!

 


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Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 02:16 PM

10. I've long been appalled and dismayed that this hasn't been common knowledge since

 

the formation.

I think it was and has been simply overlooked because of the success of BC's bubble-based economy. I'd like to see it be common knowledge so that the real 3rdwayers in the Hillary camp can proudly stand up and id themselves as ....

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Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 02:19 PM

11. DU Rec.

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Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 02:20 PM

12. It's clear that the Koch Brothers and Jamie Dimon and the Waltons and the rest of the

 

ruling and owning class will win big if Clinton or Trump or Jeb! wins. Sanders would actually rally millions of people to fight them, while the GOP crackpots might unsettle things as well. So we will get a choice next fall of a conservative female (D) and a conservative male (R).

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Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 02:25 PM

14. Just did a crosspost in GD. It deserves it's own thread so please K&R to the greatest!

 

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Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 02:36 PM

15. Wow. Explains

…..everything. The Koch's are brilliant, really. I remember back to the day when Clinton was doing NAFTA, dismantling Glass Steagall, and allowing more media conglomeration—and thinking that Clinton was doing more to dismantle the Democratic Party from within than the Republicans were doing from without. It was so clear that he was moving everything to the right.

Don't forget that Al Gore and Rahm were in the original group—does that make them founders?

The Kochs have been at this for sixty years—since their pop co-founded the extreme right wing Birch Society. Doing lots of damage to the Constitution and to our tattered Democracy. And it's just a handful of people.

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Response to zentrum (Reply #15)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 09:48 PM

58. Just the modern big money way!

We set it up so as to be easy for them to buy politicians legally, with campaign and Super Pac money, big surprise there I guess. They haven't realized fully that they have pushed too far, though OWS caught them with pants down. Ross Perot had it right when he said, "That giant sucking sound will be all our jobs going into Mexico." Since then it's been downhill.

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Response to zentrum (Reply #15)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 04:27 AM

85. "The brilliance of Bill Clinton

was that he transformed the democratic party into the republican party, and he pushed republican party so far to the right it became insane." -Chris Hedges-

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Response to Nyan (Reply #85)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 08:49 PM

97. Hedges is great.

Thanks for the quote. It's true.

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Response to zentrum (Reply #15)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 07:56 PM

95. Your remark about Al Gore reminded me of Gore Vidal stating that Al Gore is a closet conservative.

Interesting to know now that Al Gore was in the original group. This short piece of Gore's conservative from KOS is illuminating.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/6/11/217774/-

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Response to snagglepuss (Reply #95)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 08:48 PM

96. That was one

Last edited Wed Dec 30, 2015, 09:43 PM - Edit history (1)

…fascinating read. I had no idea that Al was that rightwing. Thanks for the link.

On the other hand, remember how he chose the insufferable Joe Lieberman as his running mate in 2000? That was horrifying.

I miss Vidal.

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Response to zentrum (Reply #96)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 09:15 PM

98. I too was shocked how conservative Gore was (is?) Perhaps that is indeed why he picked

Lieberman.

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Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 02:38 PM

16. Yeah the Koch brothers are contributers to the DLC and Clinton

 

So the oligarchs own Hillary and the DLC

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Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 03:00 PM

17. DLC: Al From's group wanted a "bloodless revolution" in our Democratic Party.


to DU's own "madfloridian" for this article:

Al From's group wanted a "bloodless revolution" in our Democratic Party

Thu Sep 24, 2015, 07:29 PM

Al From in his recent book, The New Democrats Return to Power, indicated that their group was formed to take over the party's policy.

He went further, even proclaiming they could take over the party. In many ways they did. This is sort of Part 2 of It's Al From’s Democratic Party, we just live here.

The DLC group is sometimes portrayed as a pro-Wall Street set of lobbyists. And From did recruit hedge fund legends like Michael Steinhardt to fund his movement. But to argue these people were corrupt or motivated by a pay to play form of politics is wrong. From is clearly a reformer and an ideologue, and his colleagues believed they were serving the public interest. “Make no mistake about it,” wrote From in a memo about his organization’s strategy, “what we hope to accomplish with the DLC is a bloodless revolution in our party." It is not unlike what the conservatives accomplished in the Republican Party during the 1960s and 1970s


I disagree with Stoller on one point for sure. I do not believe From's colleagues believed or even cared if they were serving the public interest. I believe funding and profit were their main goals.

We can thank them for the trade deals that have taken many jobs overseas. Al From was really firm on Bill Clinton supporting NAFTA. Notice he wants to "beat" organized labor. What kind of Democrat does that? A New Democrat.

As From wrote in a memo to Clinton in his first term, “Of all the opportunities you have this fall, NAFTA presents the greatest. Passing NAFTA can make your presidency. NAFTA presents both an economic and political opportunity…I can’t tell you how much better it would make your life and how much it would strengthen your presidency for you to beat (David) Bonior and organized labor on NAFTA. That would reestablish presidential leadership in the Democratic Party, something that hasn’t happened since 1966.”

From had an institutionalist perspective on NAFTA. He believed in free trade, but he also believed in Presidential primacy over the legislature. '“Politically, a victory on NAFTA would assert your leadership over your own party by making it clear that you, not the Democratic leadership in Congress or the interest groups, set the Democratic Party’s agenda on matters of real national importance.” You can hear echoes of Obama, and the broad Democratic party, in its collective disdain towards Congress. That is one consequence of From’s revolution, a shift of legitimacy away from the legislature.

From worked with Bob Rubin, Bill Daley, and Rahm Emanuel to run a campaign to pass NAFTA. Since rolling labor and crushing the left was his favorite activity, From jumped into this feet first. He registered as a lobbyist, talked to members on the Hill, and traveled nationwide to do public and media events on behalf of the agreement. It worked, and in his view, set the stage for the rest of Clinton’s term

I question the wisdom of having a contest between Congress and the President on purpose.

More from Al From's piece about his book at The Atlantic last year.

Recruiting Bill Clinton

MUCH MORE of a Good Read....CONTINUED AT:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027200959

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Response to KoKo (Reply #17)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 03:08 PM

18. Let's review the Democratic Party's performance before Clinton won...

1980



1984



1988

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #18)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 03:11 PM

20. So if you can't beat them, join em.

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Response to mmonk (Reply #20)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 03:17 PM

21. So you're saying no difference btwn Clinton and Bush?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #21)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 03:25 PM

24. It's all costed us the Congress.

The party switched primarily to a presidential party from that point on.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #21)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 07:42 PM

49. Bush 41? For all practical purposes...

...no. From a policy standpoint, (you know, that part that's not slathered in bullshit) there's little difference between Big Dog and Bush 41.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #21)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 06:17 AM

86. They both despise Labor.

All I ever needed to know.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #18)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 03:19 PM

22. The "Clinton Revolution" colored the map abundantly blue.

Many at DU are loathe to admit it.

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Response to oasis (Reply #22)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 03:30 PM

25. Turned out to be kind of purpley-blue.

 

Or maybe as blue as a blue dog.

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Response to senz (Reply #25)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 03:45 PM

29. Yep!

 

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Response to senz (Reply #25)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 04:02 PM

35. THAT IS What We Seem To Have Now! BLUE DOGS! AND...

that AIN'T any kind of DEMOCRAT that's gone a win me over! So to all who keep calling Bernie a DINO, in my opinion your impression of DINO and mine are EXTREMELY different! To the extent that Bernie is a Socialist Democrat I have to say then I TOO am one. And whether any here want to admit it or not, HE'S much more of a Democrat than any DLC type. The names I see on these lists MOST certainly CAN NOT, in any way be defined as anything other than REPUGLICANS!

This is my opinion and I can only fight and do what I can to support Bernie because what he's proposing is much, much more like the Democratic Party I joined way back in the 70's!

Ok, I have to stop for now because I'm so very upset by this. Just on last message. For me, my support and any help I can give has just been given a whole NEW MEANING! Kind of like a NEW fire in my belly!

JMHO and I expect to be attacked like ten minutes ago. Say what you will, I think after I'm done reading many of these links I'm sure I'm not going to engage in ANY tit for tat, back and forth fighting here at DU. I've seen all too much these past 6 months and have only done what I can to support Bernie. Now, my resolve is stronger than ever.

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Response to ChiciB1 (Reply #35)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 09:33 PM

56. you are not alone in how

you define a true democrat. it is despicable and appalling how american democracy has been played by the greedy right. recently on link tv, ralph nader presented "Unstoppable: The Emerging Left-Right Alliance to Dismantle the Corporate State". his talk is base upon his book - printed in 2014 and available online. the video may be on youtube.

the current dynamic of Bernie's recognition ( and others ) that many (unfortunately, not all) trump supporters are the disenfranchised working class who are sick and tired and have had enough of the "corporate state". of course, trump is "using" their anger to his advantage...but now, bernie is including a shout out to these folks in his message.


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Response to hopemountain (Reply #56)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:00 PM

59. And Bernie's Choice To Court Them Is ALSO Being TOTALLY

exploited by the DLC'ers/Third Way people! How they come to this decision is quite obviously a means to attack him as some sort of "whacko" which couldn't be further from the truth. THEY must know this and IF THEY DON'T then I'm left scratching my head as to HOW or WHY they could possibly see it this way. If one spends anytime listening to Bernie's message it's quite easy to see a VAST difference in Trump's message which is full venom and fluff and so different from Bernie's

IMO, should Bernie reach one of his followers it can only mean that they've been able to see a different reality while still not wanting to vote for the status quo. Bernie's message is FOR THE PEOPLE and inclusion, and TRUMP... well we know.

All I can hope for from the bottom of my heart and soul is that the people of this country WAKE UP and take a hard look at how far we've fallen and where we are headed if we can't stop the present Oligarchs from becoming something much worse!

This is just how I feel and what I will fight for. I've SEEN and KNOWN a different Democratic Party than many here I suppose. I simply can't cross over and fall on my sword because to me it's just moving the way those at the top want me to move. I WON'T GO!


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Response to ChiciB1 (Reply #59)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:08 PM

62. yes, the dnc and billary-ites are well schooled

in throwing dirt. but you and i know the working class can still smell shit when it presents itself and call it what it is. trust the process.

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Response to ChiciB1 (Reply #59)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 09:50 AM

90. +1 to that.

As long as they sleep well, they could care less for the least. As long as corporations win, they win. They will be just as pleased with whomever wins as long as Wall St does, they just won't come out and say it.

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Response to senz (Reply #25)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 10:25 PM

101. Yeah, kind of a polluted blue.

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Response to oasis (Reply #22)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 07:47 PM

50. but we ended up with a classic case of bait and switch (nt)

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Response to oasis (Reply #22)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 08:56 PM

53. The Presidential map

The House map not so much

The 1994 U.S. House of Representatives election (also known as the Republican Revolution) was held on November 8, 1994, in the middle of President Bill Clinton's first term. As a result of a 54-seat swing in membership from Democrats to Republicans, the Republican Party gained a majority of seats in the United States House of Representatives for the first time since 1952 and a majority of votes for the first time since 1946. It was also the largest seat gain for the Republican Party since 1946.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections,_1994

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #18)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 04:00 PM

34. That looks like the classic DLC premise.

However, one does not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Or put another way, if we are going to win the Presidency with left values, then we need to work to educate the populace, create real successes in terms of long term policy (e.g., social security, medicare, etc.), just as liberals have been doing from the beginning. You do not simply say "it's too hard" and then move to the right to take advantage of all the propaganda that the right-wing has been poisoning the populace with.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #18)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 04:41 PM

41. So principles and values don't matter?

 

Yes propaganda, deceit and corruption bscked by Big Money can be very successful and effective.

But what is the point if you've sold your soul in the process?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #18)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 07:50 PM

51. There are many here who will never admit this.

 

They think that the party has moved RIGHT from FDR and JFK, failing to acknowledge that it had swung very hard to the LEFT under Johnson and after.

The DLC is a realignment of the party with traditional American fiscal values, that have been long favored.

Part of me wishes that Bernard will win the nomination, and we will see another map like this. If the party could get back to it's core values, we would be better off, and a colossal defeat might lead to that. Of course we would have to suffer for years, as we did under Reagan....

The far-left don't understand that they aren't the Democratic party. They have found a home here, but Americans are never going to accept socialism (or democratic-socialism as its now branded).

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Response to Indydem (Reply #51)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:10 PM

63. WOW, I Don't Think I've Ever Been Part Of THAT

Democratic Party! And I've been a very long time Democrat! I'm afraid we totally disagree! I may not have been around way back BEFORE FDR, but I have read a lot about him. Yes, he did fight a hard fight, but to me it was because he went against his financial pals who thought he sold them out!

We must have read our history books differently!

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Response to Indydem (Reply #51)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 01:23 AM

77. are you saying the party swung left with reagan?

pfft!

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Response to Indydem (Reply #51)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 04:11 AM

84. The "far-left" = Social Security, Medicare, strong unions, a living wage...

...strong common institutions such as the U.S. Postal Service, public utilities and public colleges and universities, strong laws against media monopolies and unfair political use of the public airwaves, strong laws against banksters and other predatory capitalists, the promotion of equal opportunity, the promotion of civil rights for all, the promotion of public participation, and many other policies that seek the COMMON GOOD.

The "far left" = the party of Franklin Delano Roosevelt and the New Deal, which rescued this country from the predatory capitalists WHO HAD BROUGHT IT DOWN.

Americans damn well DID accept--and, indeed, welcomed--socialism as an absolutely necessary counterbalance to capitalism. Capitalism will never result in the Common Good, by itself. Private money, by itself, will never create a postal service for all, and that all can afford; will never provide free education, even for children; will never build roads, bridges, town halls, public libraries, parks, community centers, and other infrastructure that all can use; will never create a common fund retirement system (and is actively trying to destroy the one we have); and it will almost never willingly pay a living wage (except for a very rare few business people who want to live in a good society, and/or who understand that prosperity for all is prosperity for them). In short, capitalism and private money will never create a decent life for all; and will almost never do anything that doesn't pad the pockets of the already rich. It takes democracy and government to create a good society.

You are very much mistaken about the Democratic Party, and what it is--or should be--and who it belongs to--or should belong to. And you are very much mistaken about what "far-left" means.

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Response to Indydem (Reply #51)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 06:36 AM

87. "The far-left don't understand that they aren't the Democratic party"

Wow, that is some arrogant shit you are pushing. You are saying because many Democrats (including me) want to save the middle class and poor, we are not part of the party?

There are many people that are Democrats that believe it is the conservatives (like you) that want to drag the party left by nominating someone like Clinton.

First, it is money in politics that is preventing us from adequately dealing with the problems that we need to. Unless that is dealt with we will have a hard time fixing anything.

Second, here are a list of just a few of the problems we need to address:

-Homelessness
-Poverty
-Infrastructure
-Jobs
-Healthcare
-Education
-Justice system

None of those will get dealt with unless we have a government that is willing to pass the laws to fix these things. Roads.....are socialism. The fire and police department....is..wait for it...socialism. The fucking library...is socialism. All those are GOVERNMENT programs are socialism. So that fact that you can sit there and denounce socialism when it is everywhere around you is pretty damn funny.

Maybe it's time you get off your high horse and start looking in the mirror to figure out who is the problem.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #18)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:27 PM

65. Hillarrious! So WHAT DID The DLC WIN For US?

Why, "The MONEY PARTY" of Course... The Corporatist Nation!

And WE should want more of THAT?

The DLC Served it's anointed Pols on the Democratic side well... FINANCIALLY! Billy Boy being the FIRST in what has been a LONgggg Line...

Now with Wife Hillary ready to "Carry the Mantle" For the Koch Brothers et al the DLC has come... FULL FUCKING CIRCLE!

Time to STOP this "Train Wreck" before it has a chance to roll into the "Station" i.e., The Oval office... AGAIN!

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #18)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 01:46 AM

80. This ignores the massive congressional shift from D to R

plus the so-called D's in the White House have been driving policy friendly to the wealthy corporate DLC backers.

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Response to KoKo (Reply #17)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 10:11 PM

100. bkmrkd

wow what an eyeopener

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Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 03:11 PM

19. K & R Thank You nt

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Response to madfloridian (Reply #26)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 04:31 PM

40. Good Read...

and a to you for the article of yours posted link to here on thread #17!

Matt Stoller at "Naked Capitalism also had a great background review of From's book...but, its too long for most people to want to dig in to read here. Your article referenced it.

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Response to madfloridian (Reply #26)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:03 PM

61. 0KAY... Gotcha On This. Now I'm Headed Over...

tomorrow for sure.

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Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 03:44 PM

28. Didn't see the whole thing, but did hear parts about DLC/From and Koch Brothers. I had

 

no idea the Kochs were involved with this!! No wonder North Carolina is going far right as well as backwards. Our Governor also has ties to them. Sorry I can't add more info, but thanks for getting this out there.


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Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 03:46 PM

30. Dear Mr Smith, the DLC ceased to exist four years ago. nt

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #30)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 03:51 PM

32. Nope, it just has another name.

Third Way has its policies. The Clinton Foundation purchased all its records.

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #30)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 03:54 PM

33. But its legacy lives on and on and on...

 

When the DLC closed, it records were acquired by the Clinton Foundation, which DLC founder Al From called an "appropriate and fitting repository." To this day, the Clinton Foundation continues to promote the work of the DLC's founding members. In September 2015, the foundation hosted an event to promote From's book The New Democrats and the Return to Power. Amazingly, O'Malley provided a favorable blurb for the book, praising it as a "reminder of the core principles that still drive Democratic success today."

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/33869-hillary-clinton-s-ghosts-a-legacy-of-pushing-the-democratic-party-to-the-right

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Response to Human101948 (Reply #33)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 04:12 PM

36. I Sincerely and Seriously Think We NEED To Spread This

everywhere we can and for as long as we can. I honestly think many, many Democrats NEVER had a clue about this. There are so many "newbies" here who I'm sure weren't even around before the Clinton Era!

I have so much in my head right now, but those of us who KNEW a very different Democratic Party have a huge task ahead of us. DLC/Third Way is really worse than I ever imagined! I AM VERY, VERY afraid. Remember, MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL! And for those that have, THEY ain't giving any back!

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Response to Human101948 (Reply #33)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 10:06 PM

99. That would be the foundation that we keep being told

Just does charity work with those vast donations from foreign governments, right?

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Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 04:22 PM

38. That's how the right works. They can't win hearts with their economic policies so they corrupt

the leaders and the gatekeepers of the organizations that stand in their way. It's why installing puppet leaders in other nations is their favorite go-to foreign policy. They will never get the indigenous populations to hand over their oil and mining resources for 1 cent on the dollar. But a puppet leader will sign them away for one small deposit into a secret bank account.

The struggle between FDR Democrats and the Turd Way is increasingly between the true Democratic base and the bought-and-paid-for party gatekeepers (DWS).

Of course the right corrupted the Democratic Party. It's way cheaper to make a few cannot-refuse deals with key gatekeepers than to endorse genuinely democratic policies which would spread the wealth across the entire U.S. population.

Some of them are goddamned sociopaths. They don't give a shit about patriotism or democracy.

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Response to GoneFishin (Reply #38)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 01:28 AM

78. your post is a quick synopsis

for newbies. thanks.

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Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 04:50 PM

42. Its no wonder why the Democratic Party is so weak and seems to actually want to lose at times

The purpose is to keep the Oligarchs in power while keeping the pretense that the Democratic Party cares about the people.

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Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 05:22 PM

43. More than the Koch roaches.

Here are some more sources:

Third Way Foundation (Source Watch page)
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Third_Way_Foundation

Will Marshall profile from Right Web
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1295.html

Democratic Leadership Council/DLC page from Source Watch
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Democratic_Leadership_Council

DLC profile from Right Web
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1463.html

"How the DLC Does It" by Robert Dreyfuss (American Prospect 4-22-2001)
http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?articleId=4706

Progressive Policy Institute/PPI (the DLC's main think tank) links

PPI Source Watch page
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Progressive_Policy_Institute

PPI profile from Right Web
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1534.html

Grants to support PPI (from Media Transparency)
www.mediatransparency.org/recipientgrants.php?recipientID=2355

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #43)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 06:24 PM

44. Its why I stopped reading Think Progress

due to their DLC pap

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Response to FlatBaroque (Reply #44)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 07:20 PM

45. One man's DLC "pap"

is a poison to the entire US Working Class and Poor,
but glad YOU are ok.

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #45)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 07:36 PM

46. What an odd reply

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Response to FlatBaroque (Reply #46)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 07:39 PM

47. Not odd at all, if you have been following the DLC,

....and the effect of their NeoCon "Free Trade" policies on America's Working Class and Poor.

I could give you an education, but I charge for my time.

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #47)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 07:41 PM

48. I believe we are on the same page 100% of the time

so I don't know what you are going on about. Maybe I'll have a drink as well.

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Response to FlatBaroque (Reply #44)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 09:48 PM

57. I did also....the latest revelations verify something was very wrong with our Liberal Think Tank...

But, it made me very sad how so many of what were so called "Left of the DLC Websites" tended to cave once President Obama was elected. And, how little we have left of Anti-War Coalition and Other Progessive Websites who thought the "Too Big to Fail ...SHOULD HAVE BEEN...JAILED."

How far we've come in "Falling Back."

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Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 07:54 PM

52. My Bad.

I misread your post #44 as attacking my sources.
You didn't.
My mistake.

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Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 09:03 PM

54. K&R

Important information that needs to be kept out in the open.

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Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 09:19 PM

55. Kicked and recommended!

Thank you, ChiciB1.

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Response to Enthusiast (Reply #55)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:17 PM

64. Oh You Are Quite Welcomed! We Just Need To Keep

this front and center! Maybe more will open their eyes and see things more clearly. I just responded to what I heard from Thom Hartmann. I have to thank HIS SHOW for this AND SO much more.

I get up every day thinking I have something new to learn. Today was a whole lots learning. Still have a stack of links to read. Outta hear for now.

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Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:02 PM

60. K&R

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Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:34 PM

66. K&R

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Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:55 PM

67. Video

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Response to alp227 (Reply #67)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 10:55 PM

103. WOW, I Missed A Lot After I Logged Off Yesterday...

AND, today was madness for me and I never even turned on my PC! I want to thank everyone who did all this homework and added ALL this great information. Now, it just needs to be spread far and wide!

Thanks to everyone... this one IS SUPER "alp227" because it's so easy to SEE!

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Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:01 PM

69. On a campaign in 2002, a young staffer showed me his lapel pin 'DLC' and said THIS is the new party!

 

chilling it is......14 years ago this shit was creeping up.

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Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 01:10 AM

73. I think Thom said Al Frohm had written a book

About the earliest days of the DLC. Interssting history.

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Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 01:19 AM

76. K&R nt

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Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 01:41 AM

79. thank you, chicib1. nt

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Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 07:47 AM

88. I see there is the usual claim that the "DLC" does not exist anymore, as if we are so stupid we

 

think that if the initials go away, the corruption did too.

That New Democrat Coalition had a mission statement, when I first saw it quite a while ago, that said they were eschewing that silly political party baggage in order to work across the aisle. The whole place really read much like the Koch's Americans for Prosperity. It was gussied up before the primary campaigning started.

I will not be voting for or supporting anyone who belongs to that membership. Blue Dogs and DINOs.

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Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 10:43 AM

91. A Koch brother was just on Fox News the other night with M. Kelly. It was an interview that was

swayed by the questions that Kelly ask him. I normally do not watch either Kelly or Fox News, but I wanted to hear Koch talk about his aspirations and mission in life being in his 80s.
He indicated he works with both parties to get what he wants. Of of his main objectives is to get government out of the lives of people and companies. Free enterprise for all. He did say he was not against climate change, but that it cannot effect losing jobs or closing pollution companies because of government regulations.
One issue he does to get control is to start at the community level to gain control of the communities, then the states and it will automatically happen at the Federal level. He also donates money to Universities and colleges with the notation he can put his own professors into key classrooms. In this matter he can sway the thinking of the students.

With 100 billion dollars, the Koch brothers can do and control whatever they want.

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Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 10:58 AM

92. Which is why some of us rally around Bernie Sanders.

There isn't much else to say. Everyone moved to the right, leaving an Independent standing in their place.

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Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)

Thu Dec 31, 2015, 08:42 AM

104. Sam Smith article: How the Koch brothers helped dismantle the Democratic Party

-SNIP-

In 1988, the 1992 play was already being cast. Conservative Democrats were holding strategy meetings at the home of party fund-raiser Pamela Harriman. The meetings — eventually nearly a hundred of them — were aimed at ending years of populist insurrection within the party. They were regularly moderated by Clark Clifford and Robert Strauss, the Mr. Fixits of the Democratic mainstream. Democratic donors paid $1000 to take part in the sessions and by the time it was all over, Mrs. Harriman had raised about $12 million for her kind of Democrats.

The play was also being cast by a group that called itself the Democratic Leadership Council. Although lacking any official role in the Democratic Party (and often appearing more a Democratic Abandon Ship Council), the DLC claimed it was the voice of mainstream party thought. In fact, it was primarily a lobby for the views of southern and other conservative Democrats, yet so successful was its media manipulation that it managed with impunity to call its think tank the Progressive Policy Institute.

In such places the important Democratic politics of the late 1980s was being made. Clinton may have bored millions of Americans on TV that night, but Clifford, Strauss, Harriman and the DLC found him intensely interesting, extremely intelligent — an appealing pragmatist, willing to compromise, and fully at home with the policy jargon of the capital.

-MORE-

https://samsmitharchives.wordpress.com/2015/04/14/6467/

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