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Mon Dec 21, 2015, 01:15 PM

 

Is Bernie The Independant More Democrat Than A 3rd Way DLC Centrist Democrat?

I would say yes.

Centrist means half Republican in my book.

DLC, and 3rd Way is more like 3/4 Republican.

I am supporting the candidate that thinks banksters belong in prison, not coddled.

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Reply Is Bernie The Independant More Democrat Than A 3rd Way DLC Centrist Democrat? (Original post)
Yallow Dec 2015 OP
ViseGrip Dec 2015 #1
AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #2
cascadiance Dec 2015 #3
NorthCarolina Dec 2015 #4
Faux pas Dec 2015 #5
Cleita Dec 2015 #6
Yallow Dec 2015 #7
elana i am Dec 2015 #13
Gregorian Dec 2015 #8
Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #9
libdem4life Dec 2015 #10
safeinOhio Dec 2015 #11
liberalnarb Dec 2015 #25
safeinOhio Dec 2015 #31
liberalnarb Dec 2015 #32
SoLeftIAmRight Dec 2015 #12
brooklynite Dec 2015 #14
Scootaloo Dec 2015 #29
bvar22 Dec 2015 #15
liberalnarb Dec 2015 #24
Zorra Dec 2015 #16
TIME TO PANIC Dec 2015 #17
raindaddy Dec 2015 #18
Cal33 Dec 2015 #19
Donald Ian Rankin Dec 2015 #20
Nyan Dec 2015 #21
Roland99 Dec 2015 #22
silvershadow Dec 2015 #23
mythology Dec 2015 #26
Yallow Dec 2015 #27
kenfrequed Dec 2015 #28
Jackilope Dec 2015 #30

Response to Yallow (Original post)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 01:16 PM

1. Of course he is!

 

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Response to Yallow (Original post)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 01:19 PM

2. Centrist means half Democrat and half Republican

 

I have yet to find a self proclaimed 'centrist' who can tell me which Republican policies they support.

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Response to Yallow (Original post)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 01:20 PM

3. Bring back REAL Democrats like FDR who verbally TOOK ON "economic royalists"...

 

... instead of making them their friends and working for their interests over the interests of the American people!

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Response to Yallow (Original post)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 01:22 PM

4. Without a doubt.

 

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Response to Yallow (Original post)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 01:22 PM

5. Oh Yeah!

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Response to Yallow (Original post)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 01:22 PM

6. Yes. eom

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Response to Yallow (Original post)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 01:28 PM

7. Seems Others Agree With My Assessment

 

What is a real Democrat?

Maybe we should ask ourselves how much we can help the billionaires, while they rob us, and call ourselves Democrats.

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Response to Yallow (Reply #7)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 02:12 PM

13. a real dem is bernie sanders.

that's why when the inevitable question about party loyalty and voting for the dem in the general election comes up i say yes, of course i am voting for the democrat even if i have to write him in.

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Response to Yallow (Original post)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 01:32 PM

8. I've always thought this. However, we shouldn't blame. People are all at differing levels and places

This is a bigger part of this picture than winning. I like to blame. It makes me feel good. But unfortunately it doesn't solve problems.

Two good examples are Senator Robert Byrd, and Wallace (the guy who was totally racist until shot and paralyzed at which time he turned into a nicer perrson).

I've always seen solid progressive as the default just because that's what I was surrounded by growing up. It was nice.

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Response to Yallow (Original post)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 01:40 PM

9. Ironically, Sanders and his supporters are called "Purists" by peope who demand

 

party loyalty.

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Response to Yallow (Original post)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 01:44 PM

10. To be sure. I remember every Democratic President since Eisenhower...because we are

 

a very political family and I grew up with politics all around.

What's Centrist today was Republican before. I agree. And the big, big, big elephant in the Democratic Room, is money. How it is gotten, who can give it, how much can they give, how it is reported, or not, etc.

MONEY is the reason it takes a billion dollars to run a Real Campaign. And whoever thinks that those who drink from this People's Pond...Corporations are People, ya know...are not going to come up with the same scum all over their faces should think again.

Need for large sums of money automatically sends those who choose to play, to the donor bank. It's been described as a quasi-cult ritual of bowing down. I mean putting forth their case, to the individual billionaires . They do not let everyone in. And the price of admission? That's no secret.

And it's even worse yet because it has created American Politics as Oligarchy. And you discover who the members of that small group of people are, and sorry it's not just one party, by the graciously given funds they have at their disposal.

That is who Bernie is fighting...that whole, entire, crooked system that has negated the "vote of the people" into the "ad purchases for the people." Lots and Lots of Money. Perhaps he should stay off small airplanes.

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Response to Yallow (Original post)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 01:53 PM

11. I would say 3rd Way DLC Centrist Democrats are far more liberal,

as in neoliberal economics.

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #11)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 03:56 PM

25. Maybe I have a different definition of neoliberal

 

But, I know a guy who is an activist with a healthcare workers union. He says the DLC wanted the Dem Party to adopt more center right "trickle-down-ish" for lack of a better term policies.

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Response to liberalnarb (Reply #25)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 05:53 PM

31. That is the deff of neoliberal economics

google the term "neoliberal economics"

All of the repub president candidates are neoliberal.

Just like Democratic socialism has nothing to do with Marx neoliberal is not what we would call liberal

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #31)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 07:11 PM

32. Ok, so it seems neoliberal economics is the opposite of how it sounds.

 

Its the opposite of Progressivism.

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Response to Yallow (Original post)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 02:10 PM

12. yes yes yes

 

yes

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Response to Yallow (Original post)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 03:38 PM

14. No, he's not...

This is CENTER-LEFT Party. Both CENTRIST and PROGRESSIVE elements have the right to push their candidates, and try for support from the Party's voters.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #14)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 04:19 PM

29. Political alignment is not viewer-dependent

 

The democratic party is more to the left than the Republican party. This does not make the democratic party any kind of "left" however, it just means the Republicans are extreme right.

The Democratic party is a hawkish party that goes past standard capitalist theory to embrace neoliberal, lasseiz-faire capitalism. Not to the extreme degree of the republicans, but again, the republicans being further to the right doesn't put democrats on the left.

Bernie sanders isn't even much of a leftist. He's left of center, sure, but just to the degree that makes him a bog-standard liberal. when the Shkrelicrats infesting this party like maggots in Sardinian cheese yell and gnash their teeth about sanders being "too far to the left" all they're saying is that THEY are painfully far to the right.

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Response to Yallow (Original post)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 03:38 PM

15. "Is Bernie The Independant More Democrat Than A 3rd Way DLC Centrist Democrat?"

Absolutely!

I loved Bernie's FDR moment when asked if corporations would like him.

Bernie's response, "No, and Wall Street will like me even less!"

and FDR smiled.



[font color=firebrick][center]"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans.
I want a party that will STAND UP for Working Americans."
---Paul Wellstone [/font]
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[font size=1]photo by bvar22
Shortly before Sen Wellstone was killed[/center]
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Response to bvar22 (Reply #15)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 03:51 PM

24. Wellstone was quite the progressive

 

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Response to Yallow (Original post)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 03:39 PM

16. Yes. nt

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Response to Yallow (Original post)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 03:40 PM

17. YES!!

No doubt about it. He represents traditional democratic values.

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Response to Yallow (Original post)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 03:41 PM

18. You're 100% right..

The very idea of Wall Street banks being allowed to grow so large and powerful that they're a threat to the economy and democracy is not a tenet of the Democratic party prior to the 3rd way takeover. Yet it's part of Hillary Clinton's economic policy.

In fact I don't believe that moderate Republicans would support such dangerous policy prior to Reagan's presidency, they'd probably consider it treasonous...

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Response to Yallow (Original post)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 03:42 PM

19. Just look at the way he voted throughout his political career: 98% Democratic.

 

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Response to Yallow (Original post)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 03:45 PM

20. No. Democratic is an affiliation, not an ideology. N.T.

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Response to Yallow (Original post)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 03:48 PM

21. I say yes.

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Response to Yallow (Original post)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 03:50 PM

22. He's more Progressive! That's what matters.

This site should be changed to Progressive Underground. The Democratic Party is leaving us liberals/progressives behind in exchange for corporate partnerships.

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Response to Yallow (Original post)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 03:51 PM

23. Yes! No-brainer nt

 

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Response to Yallow (Original post)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 03:58 PM

26. Your subjective scale is designed to provide the answer

 

A more objective stand such as comparable voting records such as when they were in the Senate show they voted the same 93% of the time. DW-NOMINATE scores rank Sanders the most liberal Senator and Clinton the 11th. If one assumes a bell curve, Clinton is more in line with the mainstream of the Democratic party.

Comparisons to FDR are in my opinion a little silly as we often white wash FDR's record on race.

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Response to mythology (Reply #26)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 04:06 PM

27. Maybe The 7% Is The Difference...

 

"Your subjective scale is designed to provide the answer"

And that is my point.

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Response to Yallow (Original post)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 04:06 PM

28. Yes

The defining elements of the differences between the progressives and the DLC are on economic and military concerns.

The DLC favors more militarism and more supplication to Wallstreet


Progressives favor a budget less dominated by war and less interventionalist ideas. They also oppose Wallstreet trying to dominate political power the way they have.

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Response to Yallow (Original post)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 04:45 PM

30. Yes!!!!

Totally agree, Yallow!

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