Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:04 PM

longship (40,416 posts)

Democratic Debate Thread 2

So far, so good!

Let's keep the respectful discussion going.

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Democratic Debate Thread 2 (Original post)	longship	Dec 2015	OP
These guys, all of them, make me feel more hopeful for the country.	nolabear	Dec 2015	#1
They are much more serious.	Renew Deal	Dec 2015	#2
You have it, my good friend. nt	longship	Dec 2015	#5
I think that it is the idea.	longship	Dec 2015	#3
How any American could see these 3 candidates	zappaman	Dec 2015	#4
Or not vote for our nominee.	MoonRiver	Dec 2015	#6
Both Bernie and Hillary know this. I hope the supporters of both do too.	nolabear	Dec 2015	#15
Hope the vast majority do.	MoonRiver	Dec 2015	#22
I wish more Americans were getting to see these three.	bullwinkle428	Dec 2015	#14
THAT'S the problem, not many people will see it.	nc4bo	Dec 2015	#17
You Can Thank DWS/DNC For That...nt	global1	Dec 2015	#25
No, you can thank the fact that we have adults on our side.	zappaman	Dec 2015	#145
Maybe because we see how their supporters are	artislife	Dec 2015	#137
Sanders is right to want to answer the same question.	Renew Deal	Dec 2015	#7
I agree	still_one	Dec 2015	#10
Agreed...	TCJ70	Dec 2015	#11
lol	Renew Deal	Dec 2015	#19
I agree, just posted the same thing.	MH1	Dec 2015	#21
yep	questionseverything	Dec 2015	#24
How do we distinguish between these candidates?	LittleBlue	Dec 2015	#8
I think it's because...	TCJ70	Dec 2015	#12
No. It's because they're all somewhat in agreement and always have been.	nolabear	Dec 2015	#27
You should vote for the candidate with executive experience	elleng	Dec 2015	#18
Bernie also has executive experience as mayor of Burlington Vt.	JDPriestly	Dec 2015	#139
moderaters trying to keep bernie from talking	Robbins	Dec 2015	#9
Then he will have to try to take some control from them in a positive way. Not easy, but doable	still_one	Dec 2015	#20
He's doing plenty of talking--and yelling. Probably should use a stopwatch to see how much time...	Hekate	Dec 2015	#61
Why not let each candidate answer each question?	MH1	Dec 2015	#13
Agreed - You Beat Me To That Point....	global1	Dec 2015	#32
Sanders calls for a secterian war in the middle east.	Renew Deal	Dec 2015	#16
Bernie calling out S.A. and Qatar. Wish he'd go even further and tell them	bullwinkle428	Dec 2015	#23
They all have to be somewhat careful. Unlike the republicans, ya can't say we are going to bomb	still_one	Dec 2015	#29
I just think it is a damn shame that	Tipperary	Dec 2015	#54
I loved the quote, which is here...	pacalo	Dec 2015	#36
Now we get to some meat.	longship	Dec 2015	#26
They asked Hillary a good question about what happens if ground troops are needed.	Renew Deal	Dec 2015	#28
Even w/ the crap job the ABC moderators are doing	PghTiny	Dec 2015	#30
i think all the candidates are not getting	restorefreedom	Dec 2015	#34
Hillary taking the other candidates to school	firebrand80	Dec 2015	#31
O'Malley: "Make president of USAID a cabinet member."	Renew Deal	Dec 2015	#33
I know I am biased, but anyone else think Hillary is winning the debate on foreign policy so far? nt	ProudToBeLiberal	Dec 2015	#35
She lost that debate when she voted YES on the IWR.	Hepburn	Dec 2015	#40
They were largely agreeing, but it seems like shes getting more time than the other two.	bobbobbins01	Dec 2015	#44
That was the topper...not good. I agree.	Hepburn	Dec 2015	#50
This is an adult debate	Zorro	Dec 2015	#37
Is this a debate	xloadiex	Dec 2015	#38
Right, glad you noticed.	elleng	Dec 2015	#43
You must be watching a different debate.	Tipperary	Dec 2015	#45
These Isis strategies don't make any sense.	LittleBlue	Dec 2015	#39
Hillary asked if we should shoot down Syrian and Russian planes in no fly zone.	Renew Deal	Dec 2015	#41
Oh boy! No fly zone! Shared by Russia. nt	longship	Dec 2015	#42
Trump will personally monitor compliance	denem	Dec 2015	#55
Hillary's no-fly zone answer was not very good...	Punkingal	Dec 2015	#46
No ones is including the republicans	Renew Deal	Dec 2015	#48
What foreign powers are flying in Syris other than the US and Russia	JDPriestly	Dec 2015	#142
Sanders answer about "broad coalitions" is no better than anyone else.	Renew Deal	Dec 2015	#47
Hillary has a good answer about motivation of non-ISIS fighters	Renew Deal	Dec 2015	#51
I hate this debate	Robbins	Dec 2015	#49
And we already know who "won" the debate before it even started	Matariki	Dec 2015	#53
Someone pointed out that Hillary gets to answer every question, but the other two don't.	Renew Deal	Dec 2015	#57
Well Bernie keeps agreeing with Hillary.	MoonRiver	Dec 2015	#69
No, it's about foreign policy. She's the best qualified at that.	nolabear	Dec 2015	#77
Yes, more people have died under policies she agreed with.	artislife	Dec 2015	#140
Democratic answers are so much more thoughtful than the republicans	Renew Deal	Dec 2015	#52
MOM pulled the youth card! "May I respond from a different generation?" nt	valerief	Dec 2015	#56
Wow ageism from O'Malley	shawn703	Dec 2015	#58
Pissed off a few in the crowd.	bullwinkle428	Dec 2015	#66
This message was self-deleted by its author	shawn703	Dec 2015	#80
Pointing out the difference between history and the contemporary situation is not ageism.	elleng	Dec 2015	#102
Honestly, mics should be turned off if it isn't one's turn or if they go over time.	demmiblue	Dec 2015	#59
They are doing pretty good on that. nt	longship	Dec 2015	#73
Bernie, just admit you don't know WTF you're talking about	firebrand80	Dec 2015	#60
Spoken Like A True Third Way Member	cantbeserious	Dec 2015	#67
high five	firebrand80	Dec 2015	#71
That Post Was Not An Affirmation - This Citizen Would Be Ashamed To Affiliate With The Third Way	cantbeserious	Dec 2015	#78
high five	firebrand80	Dec 2015	#89
A Firm No From This Citizen	cantbeserious	Dec 2015	#100
O'Malley just got groans for an old person joke	Renew Deal	Dec 2015	#62
Yeah that was bad.	El Supremo	Dec 2015	#72
Well deserved if you ask me n/t	TexasBushwhacker	Dec 2015	#82
I agree	Renew Deal	Dec 2015	#91
Too bad this is on Saturday before Christmas. nt	longship	Dec 2015	#63
Talk about disrespectful moderators!	Gregorian	Dec 2015	#64
O'Malley is dead right	LittleBlue	Dec 2015	#65
Good!	elleng	Dec 2015	#75
O'Malley... oh my!	demmiblue	Dec 2015	#68
clinton just claimed credit for the UN resolution on Syria	karynnj	Dec 2015	#70
Yes, she was under fire during this discussion.	Hepburn	Dec 2015	#84
lol	karynnj	Dec 2015	#116
I am not watching the debates, but if that is the case, Bernie and or Martin should call that out	still_one	Dec 2015	#86
the format works against that	karynnj	Dec 2015	#106
Clinton: "If the US doesn't lead, there is not another leader. There is a vacuum."	Renew Deal	Dec 2015	#74
Sanders: "US is not the policeman of the world."	Renew Deal	Dec 2015	#79
Renew Deal, you warm my black heart. ;-) nt	longship	Dec 2015	#93
lol. Thanks	Renew Deal	Dec 2015	#96
O'Malley Is Starting To Get On My Nerves....	global1	Dec 2015	#76
He's addressing foreign policy issues.	elleng	Dec 2015	#87
Give him a break	firebrand80	Dec 2015	#94
I've no problem with him trying to contrast himself to the other candidates	LittleBlue	Dec 2015	#107
He is always very forced	Renew Deal	Dec 2015	#121
U.S. is NOT the policemen of the world. Neocons hate	nc4bo	Dec 2015	#81
I agree, the U.S. should NOT be policemen of the world	still_one	Dec 2015	#97
I agree too	TexasBushwhacker	Dec 2015	#120
There are no simple solutions, but it is in Iran's interest sure not to let ISIS expand too much.	still_one	Dec 2015	#127
I agree about energy	TexasBushwhacker	Dec 2015	#138
because that is the real solution	still_one	Dec 2015	#141
Yay, we are moving to the economy finally. nt	ProudToBeLiberal	Dec 2015	#83
du[;ocate	ProudToBeLiberal	Dec 2015	#115
Fundamental dispute about Syria between Hillary and Bernie...	Renew Deal	Dec 2015	#85
I don't think there is any easy answer on this one	still_one	Dec 2015	#103
I am not sure I can agree with the hawkish aproch the HRC is presenting	awake	Dec 2015	#108
It's a more serious debate than the GOP one	NYCButterfinger	Dec 2015	#88
It is a great debate... On the Saturday night before Christmas!!!	longship	Dec 2015	#104
Probably more watching the rain deer show	NYCButterfinger	Dec 2015	#134
HRC blames Assad for ISIL. Not Bush's invasion of Iraq.	MH1	Dec 2015	#90
For territorial gains...	Renew Deal	Dec 2015	#95
I am still shaking my head on that one.	Hepburn	Dec 2015	#98
She is defending Obama's "Assad must go" during her SoS tenure.	MH1	Dec 2015	#112
Hillary, Isis wasn't created by Assad	LittleBlue	Dec 2015	#92
well,then the other candidates should call her on that. That is what is supposed to happen during	still_one	Dec 2015	#109
She gets every question....	Punkingal	Dec 2015	#99
yup. but i did not expect anything different. nt	restorefreedom	Dec 2015	#101
Yeah, but she gets most of the answers wrong...	Hepburn	Dec 2015	#110
I am not watching the debate, but regardless, lets say your assessment is right on. Are the other	still_one	Dec 2015	#118
Sanders complained once about not being able to answer one.	Renew Deal	Dec 2015	#122
Then he has to interject, even if it is very brief. Those are opportunities	still_one	Dec 2015	#129
Why take their time to point out her obvious mistakes.	Hepburn	Dec 2015	#126
Strategically if there is a glaring misstatement, and that isn't pointed out, it is a lost	still_one	Dec 2015	#135
They try....they get reminded of the rules every time.	Punkingal	Dec 2015	#147
OFFS.	nolabear	Dec 2015	#117
I'd be curious if there is a time amount list of how much each person got to speak.	EndElectoral	Dec 2015	#124
Even the commercial breaks are like NFL breaks.	pangaia	Dec 2015	#105
They are going to start the debate without Hillary there.	Renew Deal	Dec 2015	#111
LOL! It takes girls longer...	nolabear	Dec 2015	#113
Sexist. But yeah, she set out to make an entrance	JimDandy	Dec 2015	#123
No, really! It does! I am one! And that's just silly about making an entrance.	nolabear	Dec 2015	#128
As usual I agree with Bernie	mvd	Dec 2015	#114
Sanders: Tax on Wall St. speculation to make public college free	Renew Deal	Dec 2015	#119
Starting a new thread.	longship	Dec 2015	#125
Yes - terrorism is bad bla bla bla	SoLeftIAmRight	Dec 2015	#130
Hillary is doing extremely well	Kentonio	Dec 2015	#131
Hillary is kicking ass!	MADem	Dec 2015	#132
Sanders: Corporate America will not like me and Wall St. will like me even less	Renew Deal	Dec 2015	#133
That is true, but it is a popular sound bite that does resonate with many workers	still_one	Dec 2015	#136
Bernie is very clear	Rosa Luxemburg	Dec 2015	#143
Hillary bulldozes her way through time that is not hers! She defies the moderator too and...	ChisolmTrailDem	Dec 2015	#144
All they are talking about is Hillary as if the other two	bkkyosemite	Dec 2015	#146

Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:07 PM

nolabear (37,998 posts)

1. These guys, all of them, make me feel more hopeful for the country.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:07 PM

Renew Deal (79,257 posts)

2. They are much more serious.

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:09 PM

longship (40,416 posts)

5. You have it, my good friend. nt

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Response to nolabear (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:08 PM

longship (40,416 posts)

3. I think that it is the idea.

Sadly too often forgotten here on DU. Just saying.

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:08 PM

zappaman (20,561 posts)

4. How any American could see these 3 candidates

And then vote for one of the buffoons on the other side is beyond me.

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Response to zappaman (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:10 PM

MoonRiver (35,059 posts)

6. Or not vote for our nominee.

Unbelievable

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Response to MoonRiver (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:13 PM

nolabear (37,998 posts)

15. Both Bernie and Hillary know this. I hope the supporters of both do too.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #15)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:14 PM

MoonRiver (35,059 posts)

22. Hope the vast majority do.

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Response to zappaman (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:12 PM

bullwinkle428 (19,113 posts)

14. I wish more Americans were getting to see these three.

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Response to zappaman (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:13 PM

nc4bo (17,651 posts)

17. THAT'S the problem, not many people will see it.

I expect these ratings to abysmal, just like the rest of the debates.

American people lose again.

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Response to nc4bo (Reply #17)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:15 PM

global1 (22,364 posts)

25. You Can Thank DWS/DNC For That...nt

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Response to global1 (Reply #25)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 10:26 PM

zappaman (20,561 posts)

145. No, you can thank the fact that we have adults on our side.

The other side is batshit crazy and everyone watches to see what batshit crazy thing they're going to say...

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Response to zappaman (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:51 PM

artislife (9,497 posts)

137. Maybe because we see how their supporters are

Nice sigline..

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:11 PM

Renew Deal (79,257 posts)

7. Sanders is right to want to answer the same question.

There are three people on the stage and there should be three answers.

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:11 PM

still_one (76,973 posts)

10. I agree

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:11 PM

TCJ70 (4,382 posts)

11. Agreed...

...it's not like the republican debates where there would only be 3 questions they could all answer.

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Response to TCJ70 (Reply #11)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:13 PM

Renew Deal (79,257 posts)

19. lol

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:14 PM

MH1 (17,059 posts)

21. I agree, just posted the same thing.

Last 3 questions, Clinton has gotten to answer each. Either Bernie or Martin is left out on each question.

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:14 PM

questionseverything (6,822 posts)

24. yep

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:11 PM

LittleBlue (10,362 posts)

8. How do we distinguish between these candidates?

All I hear Bernie saying is that he agrees with the other two candidates. So, if I'm a voter totally unfamiliar with these three, why should I vote for Bernie? He's not exactly contrasting his position.

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:12 PM

TCJ70 (4,382 posts)

12. I think it's because...

...aside from guns, the other candidates have largely adopted his stances.

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Response to TCJ70 (Reply #12)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:16 PM

nolabear (37,998 posts)

27. No. It's because they're all somewhat in agreement and always have been.

SOMEWHAT, I said. I know the difference between them but all have always been in agreement re immigration, pay equity, gun control, coalition forming, etc. Not the same but far from the carpet bombing, Putin loving, Muslim hating, ISIS feeding, women's rights removing, gun humping, KILL KILL KILL GOP.

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:13 PM

elleng (104,701 posts)

18. You should vote for the candidate with executive experience

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Response to elleng (Reply #18)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:54 PM

JDPriestly (57,936 posts)

139. Bernie also has executive experience as mayor of Burlington Vt.

There are videos oof Bernie as mayor. He was really great and re-elected over and ove and over.

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:11 PM

Robbins (5,066 posts)

9. moderaters trying to keep bernie from talking

now that datagate is over.and mor eintrested in fear mongoring than real issues that affect everyday americans.

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Response to Robbins (Reply #9)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:13 PM

still_one (76,973 posts)

20. Then he will have to try to take some control from them in a positive way. Not easy, but doable

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Response to Robbins (Reply #9)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:27 PM

Hekate (67,179 posts)

61. He's doing plenty of talking--and yelling. Probably should use a stopwatch to see how much time...

...he actually is using.

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:12 PM

MH1 (17,059 posts)

13. Why not let each candidate answer each question?

I'm not liking this format so far. They ask a similar question to two candidates, then won't let the third speak their position on the question.

When it's all said and done will Clinton be the one with the most time, and O'Malley the least?

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Response to MH1 (Reply #13)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:18 PM

global1 (22,364 posts)

32. Agreed - You Beat Me To That Point....

It's hardly a debate as it is and then you don't get a chance to hear each candidates position on each issue.

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:13 PM

Renew Deal (79,257 posts)

16. Sanders calls for a secterian war in the middle east.

"This is a war for the soul of Islam" and they should fight it.

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:14 PM

bullwinkle428 (19,113 posts)

23. Bernie calling out S.A. and Qatar. Wish he'd go even further and tell them

to stop funding Daesh.

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Response to bullwinkle428 (Reply #23)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:17 PM

still_one (76,973 posts)

29. They all have to be somewhat careful. Unlike the republicans, ya can't say we are going to bomb

everyone

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Response to still_one (Reply #29)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:26 PM

Tipperary (6,930 posts)

54. I just think it is a damn shame that

terrorism dominates the discussion. I would really like to hear them all talk about domestic issues.

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Response to bullwinkle428 (Reply #23)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:19 PM

pacalo (24,719 posts)

36. I loved the quote, which is here...

Qatar: Instead of spending $200 billion on the world cup, maybe they should
pay attention to isis, which is at their doorstep.

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:16 PM

longship (40,416 posts)

26. Now we get to some meat.

And let's be respectful here. Let's not bring in other topics than are discussed.

This is an awesome debate so far, no matter who one supports.

And Martha Raditz is awesome.

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:17 PM

Renew Deal (79,257 posts)

28. They asked Hillary a good question about what happens if ground troops are needed.

Will she want to send them.

Hillary says that she believes in the current plan.

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:17 PM

PghTiny (267 posts)

30. Even w/ the crap job the ABC moderators are doing

The CBS debate was much more organized, if you ask me

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Response to PghTiny (Reply #30)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:19 PM

restorefreedom (12,655 posts)

34. i think all the candidates are not getting

good treatment from the mods,.disorganized and stupid provoking questions imo

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:18 PM

firebrand80 (2,760 posts)

31. Hillary taking the other candidates to school

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:18 PM

Renew Deal (79,257 posts)

33. O'Malley: "Make president of USAID a cabinet member."

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:19 PM

ProudToBeLiberal (3,964 posts)

35. I know I am biased, but anyone else think Hillary is winning the debate on foreign policy so far? nt

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Response to ProudToBeLiberal (Reply #35)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:21 PM

Hepburn (21,054 posts)

40. She lost that debate when she voted YES on the IWR.

And...she is not doing well this evening in that the hawk is just beating it wings to fly our of her mouth...and she looks like she is fighting it.

JMHO

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Response to ProudToBeLiberal (Reply #35)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:21 PM

bobbobbins01 (1,681 posts)

44. They were largely agreeing, but it seems like shes getting more time than the other two.

She lost the foreign policy debate as soon as she mentioned the no fly zone though.

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Response to bobbobbins01 (Reply #44)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:24 PM

Hepburn (21,054 posts)

50. That was the topper...not good. I agree.

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:19 PM

Zorro (12,796 posts)

37. This is an adult debate

All three candidates are well-spoken, and they're showing they're all quite capable and intelligent.

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:20 PM

xloadiex (628 posts)

38. Is this a debate

Or an HRC interview? This is horrible.

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Response to xloadiex (Reply #38)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:21 PM

elleng (104,701 posts)

43. Right, glad you noticed.

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Response to xloadiex (Reply #38)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:21 PM

Tipperary (6,930 posts)

45. You must be watching a different debate.

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:20 PM

LittleBlue (10,362 posts)

39. These Isis strategies don't make any sense.

Bernie: We need to bring in Arab armies. Including Saudi Arabia

Bernie, those Arab armies were utterly routed by Isis. Saudi Arabia won't fight Isis because they're funding Isis.

Hillary: We need the Turks to focus less on the Kurds and more on Isis

Hillary, the Turkish president's own brother has been pictured dining with Isis leaders. He's buying their oil.

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:21 PM

Renew Deal (79,257 posts)

41. Hillary asked if we should shoot down Syrian and Russian planes in no fly zone.

"It shouldn't come to that." Deconflicting...

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:21 PM

longship (40,416 posts)

42. Oh boy! No fly zone! Shared by Russia. nt

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Response to longship (Reply #42)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:26 PM

denem (11,045 posts)

55. Trump will personally monitor compliance

and report any sightings of Muslims in the area.

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:22 PM

Punkingal (9,522 posts)

46. Hillary's no-fly zone answer was not very good...

IMO

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Response to Punkingal (Reply #46)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:23 PM

Renew Deal (79,257 posts)

48. No ones is including the republicans

Because it doesn't really make sense

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Response to Punkingal (Reply #46)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 10:00 PM

JDPriestly (57,936 posts)

142. What foreign powers are flying in Syris other than the US and Russia

Iraq. That is the US. A no-fly zone would stop what planes? Turkey? France

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:22 PM

Renew Deal (79,257 posts)

47. Sanders answer about "broad coalitions" is no better than anyone else.

I don't mean to make is sound competitive. Just no good answers.

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #47)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:25 PM

Renew Deal (79,257 posts)

51. Hillary has a good answer about motivation of non-ISIS fighters

Basically the only way to keep the non-ISIS motivated is for them to have a shot at replacing Assad.

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:24 PM

Robbins (5,066 posts)

49. I hate this debate

it makes CNN debate look good.

It's all about clinton.

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Response to Robbins (Reply #49)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:26 PM

Matariki (18,775 posts)

53. And we already know who "won" the debate before it even started

as per tomorrow's media.

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Response to Robbins (Reply #49)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:26 PM

Renew Deal (79,257 posts)

57. Someone pointed out that Hillary gets to answer every question, but the other two don't.

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Response to Robbins (Reply #49)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:28 PM

MoonRiver (35,059 posts)

69. Well Bernie keeps agreeing with Hillary.

"The Secretary is right." This is not the fault of the debate. Of course I agree with him.

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Response to Robbins (Reply #49)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:29 PM

nolabear (37,998 posts)

77. No, it's about foreign policy. She's the best qualified at that.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #77)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:55 PM

artislife (9,497 posts)

140. Yes, more people have died under policies she agreed with.

In some circles, that is considered very successful in war.

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:25 PM

Renew Deal (79,257 posts)

52. Democratic answers are so much more thoughtful than the republicans

No "nuke" the middle east nonsense. No effort to out tough each other.

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:26 PM

valerief (53,235 posts)

56. MOM pulled the youth card! "May I respond from a different generation?" nt

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:26 PM

shawn703 (2,693 posts)

58. Wow ageism from O'Malley

Didn't expect that from a Democrat

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:27 PM

bullwinkle428 (19,113 posts)

66. Pissed off a few in the crowd.

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:34 PM

elleng (104,701 posts)

102. Pointing out the difference between history and the contemporary situation is not ageism.

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:26 PM

demmiblue (30,262 posts)

59. Honestly, mics should be turned off if it isn't one's turn or if they go over time.

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:29 PM

longship (40,416 posts)

73. They are doing pretty good on that. nt

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:26 PM

firebrand80 (2,760 posts)

60. Bernie, just admit you don't know WTF you're talking about

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:28 PM

cantbeserious (13,039 posts)

67. Spoken Like A True Third Way Member

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:28 PM

firebrand80 (2,760 posts)

71. high five

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:29 PM

cantbeserious (13,039 posts)

78. That Post Was Not An Affirmation - This Citizen Would Be Ashamed To Affiliate With The Third Way

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:31 PM

firebrand80 (2,760 posts)

89. high five

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:34 PM

cantbeserious (13,039 posts)

100. A Firm No From This Citizen

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:27 PM

Renew Deal (79,257 posts)

62. O'Malley just got groans for an old person joke

"Can we get a person of a different generation perspective?"

Groans

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:29 PM

El Supremo (19,662 posts)

72. Yeah that was bad.

But he's probably right.

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:30 PM

TexasBushwhacker (16,565 posts)

82. Well deserved if you ask me n/t

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:31 PM

Renew Deal (79,257 posts)

91. I agree

It was clumsy

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:27 PM

longship (40,416 posts)

63. Too bad this is on Saturday before Christmas. nt

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:27 PM

Gregorian (23,867 posts)

64. Talk about disrespectful moderators!

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:27 PM

LittleBlue (10,362 posts)

65. O'Malley is dead right

Nailed it. I'm more impressed with him than Bernie.

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:29 PM

elleng (104,701 posts)

75. Good!

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:28 PM

demmiblue (30,262 posts)

68. O'Malley... oh my!

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:28 PM

karynnj (58,340 posts)

70. clinton just claimed credit for the UN resolution on Syria

Claiming it was negotiated in Geneva by her. There was a Geneva agreement, but the UN resolution came out of the Vienna negotiations and their follow up meetings.

After Geneva, things fell apart. There was even a Geneva that was also a failure. Other than all these negotiations being on Syria it is silly for Clinton to take credit for time consuming negotiations done three years after she was over.

The US Secretary of State that led on this was JOHN KERRY, THE BEST SECRETARY OF STATE OBAMA HAD.

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:30 PM

Hepburn (21,054 posts)

84. Yes, she was under fire during this discussion.

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:37 PM

karynnj (58,340 posts)

116. lol

She looked over 6 foot tall leading them as well.

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:31 PM

still_one (76,973 posts)

86. I am not watching the debates, but if that is the case, Bernie and or Martin should call that out

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:35 PM

karynnj (58,340 posts)

106. the format works against that

Each person is asked a different question on the topic and each has there own agenda. Not to mention, this is something better disputed by the fact checkers.

I do not get why she does this. She is very good on detailed answers, clearly knows a huge amount, but I have NEVER heard her credit Kerry as having a lead role on anything as SoS.

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:29 PM

Renew Deal (79,257 posts)

74. Clinton: "If the US doesn't lead, there is not another leader. There is a vacuum."

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:30 PM

Renew Deal (79,257 posts)

79. Sanders: "US is not the policeman of the world."

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:32 PM

longship (40,416 posts)

93. Renew Deal, you warm my black heart. ;-) nt

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:32 PM

Renew Deal (79,257 posts)

96. lol. Thanks

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:29 PM

global1 (22,364 posts)

76. O'Malley Is Starting To Get On My Nerves....

Is he trying to hard or what? I know he is way down in the polls and needs to get noticed. But he's picking too many fights.

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:31 PM

elleng (104,701 posts)

87. He's addressing foreign policy issues.

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:32 PM

firebrand80 (2,760 posts)

94. Give him a break

Really, what's he gonna do?

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:35 PM

LittleBlue (10,362 posts)

107. I've no problem with him trying to contrast himself to the other candidates

I'm wondering why Bernie isn't. He looks like the only one on the stage who isn't afraid to hold the other candidates to account for their past decisions. Hell I probably don't even agree with his opinion on guns but I can respect his boldness.

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:39 PM

Renew Deal (79,257 posts)

121. He is always very forced

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:30 PM

nc4bo (17,651 posts)

81. U.S. is NOT the policemen of the world. Neocons hate

That kind of talk. nt

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:33 PM

still_one (76,973 posts)

97. I agree, the U.S. should NOT be policemen of the world

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:38 PM

TexasBushwhacker (16,565 posts)

120. I agree too

But if we expect sunni Saudi Arabia to send their huge army to fight against sunni ISIS, we're dreaming. I just don't see that happening.

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:41 PM

still_one (76,973 posts)

127. There are no simple solutions, but it is in Iran's interest sure not to let ISIS expand too much.

The best thing we can do is become energy independent, but that isn't going to be quick either

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:54 PM

TexasBushwhacker (16,565 posts)

138. I agree about energy

I would love nothing more than to quit doing business with Saudi Arabia and others stuck in the Iron Age.

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:55 PM

still_one (76,973 posts)

141. because that is the real solution

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:30 PM

ProudToBeLiberal (3,964 posts)

83. Yay, we are moving to the economy finally. nt

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:37 PM

ProudToBeLiberal (3,964 posts)

115. du[;ocate

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:30 PM

Renew Deal (79,257 posts)

85. Fundamental dispute about Syria between Hillary and Bernie...

Hillary: We must take on Assad and ISIS
Bernie: Just take on ISIS and have someone else fight the fight.

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:34 PM

still_one (76,973 posts)

103. I don't think there is any easy answer on this one

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:35 PM

awake (3,226 posts)

108. I am not sure I can agree with the hawkish aproch the HRC is presenting

And I wish Bernie would stop yelling

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:31 PM

NYCButterfinger (755 posts)

88. It's a more serious debate than the GOP one

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:34 PM

longship (40,416 posts)

104. It is a great debate... On the Saturday night before Christmas!!!

How many will be watching "Rudolph, the Red-Nosed Reindeer" instead?

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:45 PM

NYCButterfinger (755 posts)

134. Probably more watching the rain deer show

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:31 PM

MH1 (17,059 posts)

90. HRC blames Assad for ISIL. Not Bush's invasion of Iraq.

How 'bout that.

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:32 PM

Renew Deal (79,257 posts)

95. For territorial gains...

That goes to the Syrian civil war.

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:33 PM

Hepburn (21,054 posts)

98. I am still shaking my head on that one.

Where the hell did that come from???

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:36 PM

MH1 (17,059 posts)

112. She is defending Obama's "Assad must go" during her SoS tenure.

But O'Malley is dead right on that one.

I winced when Obama said that and haven't stopped wincing about it since. Very close to the worst foreign policy error of his administration, if not THE worst, in my opinion.

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:31 PM

LittleBlue (10,362 posts)

92. Hillary, Isis wasn't created by Assad

That was done when you voted for Chimpy's war of lies.

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:36 PM

still_one (76,973 posts)

109. well,then the other candidates should call her on that. That is what is supposed to happen during

debates

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:33 PM

Punkingal (9,522 posts)

99. She gets every question....

This is bullshit.

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:34 PM

restorefreedom (12,655 posts)

101. yup. but i did not expect anything different. nt

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:36 PM

Hepburn (21,054 posts)

110. Yeah, but she gets most of the answers wrong...

...let her keep screwing up.

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:37 PM

still_one (76,973 posts)

118. I am not watching the debate, but regardless, lets say your assessment is right on. Are the other

candidates pointing that out, and if not then they should be, or they are not doing what they need to do in a debate

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:40 PM

Renew Deal (79,257 posts)

122. Sanders complained once about not being able to answer one.

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:42 PM

still_one (76,973 posts)

129. Then he has to interject, even if it is very brief. Those are opportunities

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:41 PM

Hepburn (21,054 posts)

126. Why take their time to point out her obvious mistakes.

Better to give the correct positions and facts and let her sit there with egg on her face.

This is not a debate...it is an interview by some of the worse mods I have witnessed.

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:45 PM

still_one (76,973 posts)

135. Strategically if there is a glaring misstatement, and that isn't pointed out, it is a lost

opportunity. Of course that is just my opinion. It doesn't have to be a long, just a quick statement of fact, and then proceed onto your positions.

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Sun Dec 20, 2015, 08:16 AM

Punkingal (9,522 posts)

147. They try....they get reminded of the rules every time.

I guess one of the rules is she gets to answer every question.

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:37 PM

nolabear (37,998 posts)

117. OFFS.

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:40 PM

EndElectoral (4,213 posts)

124. I'd be curious if there is a time amount list of how much each person got to speak.

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:35 PM

pangaia (24,324 posts)

105. Even the commercial breaks are like NFL breaks.

Commercial.
30 seconds of comments recapping the last 2 posessions by 5 talking heads for anybody who can not understand English.
Commercial..

talking heads back..
game continues 1st and 10...

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:36 PM

Renew Deal (79,257 posts)

111. They are going to start the debate without Hillary there.

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:37 PM

nolabear (37,998 posts)

113. LOL! It takes girls longer...

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:40 PM

JimDandy (7,318 posts)

123. Sexist. But yeah, she set out to make an entrance

and instead rightfully earned toilet references.

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:42 PM

nolabear (37,998 posts)

128. No, really! It does! I am one! And that's just silly about making an entrance.

You don't want to be late to your podium.

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:37 PM

mvd (63,212 posts)

114. As usual I agree with Bernie

Hillary says no ground troops. So are we to rely on special forces to take out Assad? And what about the destabilization not only in Syria, but around the world? We must think of Russia.

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:38 PM

Renew Deal (79,257 posts)

119. Sanders: Tax on Wall St. speculation to make public college free

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:40 PM

longship (40,416 posts)

125. Starting a new thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251925394

Please go there for more discussion.

Thank you.

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:42 PM

SoLeftIAmRight (4,883 posts)

130. Yes - terrorism is bad bla bla bla

Reality - our own police have killed more of us in the last twenty
Terrorism is a problem we will deal with

Sanders is correct - Jobs - healthcare - banking - ENVIRONMENT
These are the issues that will have more direct impact on us

WAR WAR WAR - it is not the answer - It is not even the most important question

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:43 PM

Kentonio (4,377 posts)