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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:16 PM

Democratic debate thread.

I will start it since everybody else seem intent on infighting.

Just tuned in. We have George Snuffalupagus, Donna Brazile, Cokey Roberts, and some dude moderating. I invite DUers to contribute as long as we all stick to the debate topics.

Have at it DUers. Let's be polite.

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99th_Monkey Dec 2015 #1
longship Dec 2015 #3
99th_Monkey Dec 2015 #29
bkkyosemite Dec 2015 #2
longship Dec 2015 #9
demmiblue Dec 2015 #4
LuvLoogie Dec 2015 #5
longship Dec 2015 #11
Hepburn Dec 2015 #12
MsLeopard Dec 2015 #6
Juicy_Bellows Dec 2015 #8
Hepburn Dec 2015 #7
bigwillq Dec 2015 #10
longship Dec 2015 #16
NCTraveler Dec 2015 #13
Leftyforever Dec 2015 #14
demmiblue Dec 2015 #15
longship Dec 2015 #17
elleng Dec 2015 #20
elleng Dec 2015 #18
one_voice Dec 2015 #19
femmocrat Dec 2015 #21
longship Dec 2015 #91
JaneyVee Dec 2015 #22
demmiblue Dec 2015 #23
Hepburn Dec 2015 #24
longship Dec 2015 #25
firebrand80 Dec 2015 #26
Hepburn Dec 2015 #27
ScreamingMeemie Dec 2015 #31
bigwillq Dec 2015 #40
ScreamingMeemie Dec 2015 #42
bigwillq Dec 2015 #47
Tarc Dec 2015 #75
bigwillq Dec 2015 #78
Stardust Dec 2015 #80
firebrand80 Dec 2015 #32
Hepburn Dec 2015 #52
firebrand80 Dec 2015 #59
Hepburn Dec 2015 #76
Codeine Dec 2015 #118
firebrand80 Dec 2015 #122
Renew Deal Dec 2015 #121
Hepburn Dec 2015 #125
MsLeopard Dec 2015 #28
Fawke Em Dec 2015 #98
longship Dec 2015 #30
Stinky The Clown Dec 2015 #33
restorefreedom Dec 2015 #34
femmocrat Dec 2015 #35
longship Dec 2015 #36
firebrand80 Dec 2015 #37
Blue_In_AK Dec 2015 #38
MsLeopard Dec 2015 #39
longship Dec 2015 #41
joshcryer Dec 2015 #43
JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2015 #48
global1 Dec 2015 #44
firebrand80 Dec 2015 #72
Bjornsdotter Dec 2015 #95
MsLeopard Dec 2015 #45
nc4bo Dec 2015 #50
elleng Dec 2015 #46
JTFrog Dec 2015 #49
demmiblue Dec 2015 #51
Hepburn Dec 2015 #57
longship Dec 2015 #53
MoonRiver Dec 2015 #55
Wilms Dec 2015 #63
ronnykmarshall Dec 2015 #158
JTFrog Dec 2015 #54
nc4bo Dec 2015 #60
Tipperary Dec 2015 #56
bigwillq Dec 2015 #65
TCJ70 Dec 2015 #66
MADem Dec 2015 #120
Tipperary Dec 2015 #145
LittleBlue Dec 2015 #58
joshcryer Dec 2015 #61
global1 Dec 2015 #89
joshcryer Dec 2015 #103
WIProgressive88 Dec 2015 #99
joshcryer Dec 2015 #112
JDPriestly Dec 2015 #166
R B Garr Dec 2015 #172
JDPriestly Dec 2015 #173
Stinky The Clown Dec 2015 #62
bigwillq Dec 2015 #69
still_one Dec 2015 #70
AtomicKitten Dec 2015 #79
joshcryer Dec 2015 #164
AtomicKitten Dec 2015 #170
karynnj Dec 2015 #175
AtomicKitten Dec 2015 #179
mountain grammy Dec 2015 #176
Hepburn Dec 2015 #86
demmiblue Dec 2015 #64
MsLeopard Dec 2015 #67
longship Dec 2015 #68
still_one Dec 2015 #71
one_voice Dec 2015 #73
nolabear Dec 2015 #74
longship Dec 2015 #77
still_one Dec 2015 #84
valerief Dec 2015 #81
LittleBlue Dec 2015 #82
elleng Dec 2015 #102
LittleBlue Dec 2015 #133
elleng Dec 2015 #156
Tarc Dec 2015 #83
rogerashton Dec 2015 #85
Nonhlanhla Dec 2015 #87
longship Dec 2015 #101
JDPriestly Dec 2015 #169
longship Dec 2015 #88
ucrdem Dec 2015 #106
bullwinkle428 Dec 2015 #90
demmiblue Dec 2015 #94
still_one Dec 2015 #96
MsLeopard Dec 2015 #92
mvd Dec 2015 #93
Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #97
bettyellen Dec 2015 #100
bettyellen Dec 2015 #105
still_one Dec 2015 #113
bettyellen Dec 2015 #134
ProudToBeLiberal Dec 2015 #104
Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2015 #110
arcane1 Dec 2015 #107
longship Dec 2015 #108
femmocrat Dec 2015 #109
MH1 Dec 2015 #129
bullwinkle428 Dec 2015 #111
still_one Dec 2015 #114
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still_one Dec 2015 #127
bullwinkle428 Dec 2015 #124
longship Dec 2015 #115
still_one Dec 2015 #117
longship Dec 2015 #126
still_one Dec 2015 #136
JimDandy Dec 2015 #116
firebrand80 Dec 2015 #119
MH1 Dec 2015 #138
LittleBlue Dec 2015 #128
ronnykmarshall Dec 2015 #135
still_one Dec 2015 #137
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LittleBlue Dec 2015 #146
valerief Dec 2015 #155
ronnykmarshall Dec 2015 #165
longship Dec 2015 #130
JimDandy Dec 2015 #131
KentuckyWoman Dec 2015 #167
nolabear Dec 2015 #132
nolabear Dec 2015 #139
ProudToBeLiberal Dec 2015 #140
itsrobert Dec 2015 #141
nolabear Dec 2015 #148
still_one Dec 2015 #161
bullwinkle428 Dec 2015 #142
liberalnarb Dec 2015 #143
Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2015 #150
JimDandy Dec 2015 #144
firebrand80 Dec 2015 #147
femmocrat Dec 2015 #151
shawn703 Dec 2015 #152
Paulie Dec 2015 #162
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longship Dec 2015 #154
still_one Dec 2015 #163
firebrand80 Dec 2015 #159
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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:23 PM

3. Not a very constructive start. Let's let the candidates speak before we judge.

And no, I am not a big Snuffalupagus fan, nor necessarily a Brazile fan, nor a Roberts fan. I don't know about the other guy.

Let's stay constructive here and address the debate and not necessarily the commentary which we know where that will go, no matter what side one takes.

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Response to longship (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:36 PM

29. oh please. count me out of this string. I'll speak my mind ...elsewhere now. bye. nt

 

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:20 PM

2. They are talking as if Hillary has won and Bernie is a strange one...

It is very much swayed to Hillary in their introductory comments.

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Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:25 PM

9. Well, given the forum, not surprising.

Let's let the candidates speak, and address that.

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:23 PM

4. The streaming is not so great.

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:24 PM

5. Corporate news is so icky

I going out for tacos. I'll be back. Go Hillary!

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Response to LuvLoogie (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:27 PM

11. I am with you on going for tacos, however I support Bernie in the primary.

Meet you in November. Deal?

My best regards.

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Response to LuvLoogie (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:27 PM

12. Are you doing carry out?

If so, bring me a shredded beef one, soft shell, lots of guacamole? Thanks... I love tacos! Love any kind of Mexican food!

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:24 PM

6. Oh, now they're justifying the debate schedule

Could this be any more of a rigged game??

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Response to MsLeopard (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:25 PM

8. Just heard that.

Gross.

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:25 PM

7. SoCal...L.A. County...broadcasting free on Channel 7. n/t

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:26 PM

10. Who won?

 

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Response to bigwillq (Reply #10)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:30 PM

16. Well, chalk it all up to Saturday night entertainment.

I do not especially like US football, and I have no cable TV here, nor broadband INet. So I will take this.

Got the popcorn ready.

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:28 PM

13. Is this a Clinton commercial...

 

Or are we back to reality.

Been tough around here lately.

Edit: Talking about the opening.

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:28 PM

14. Remember this...

 

Stephanapulous and Brazille were (are) Clinton hacks

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:30 PM

15. Tacky.

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:31 PM

17. I am very happy to see Martha Raditz. nt

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Response to longship (Reply #17)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:32 PM

20. Ditto

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:32 PM

18. Martha Raddatz, that's good.

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:32 PM

19. yay!

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:32 PM

21. Thank you, longship! And we are off....

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Response to femmocrat (Reply #21)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:50 PM

91. It is always better to get along here. nt

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:33 PM

22. Basically Hillary vs. 2 other guys.

 

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:33 PM

23. Is anyone else having streaming issues? The picture quality is awful!

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:33 PM

24. Wow...Bernie got a great welcome. I thought HRC's was big...

...his was better.

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:34 PM

25. Hillary first. Progressive message. nt

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:34 PM

26. Bernie should button his jacket when he walks out

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Response to firebrand80 (Reply #26)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:35 PM

27. Want to comment on Hillary's appearance?

Thought this was a no-no with the appearance comments?

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Response to Hepburn (Reply #27)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:36 PM

31. ...

Right? If I were to comment on Hillary it would be to say that she looks so much like my mother that it makes it really hard to listen to her (I'm seriously being serious).

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Response to ScreamingMeemie (Reply #31)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:38 PM

40. That's sexist.

 

How dare you.



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Response to bigwillq (Reply #40)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:38 PM

42. Bye Felicia

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Response to ScreamingMeemie (Reply #42)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:40 PM

47. Gasp!

 

I am so offended.










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Response to Tarc (Reply #75)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:47 PM

78. Agree (nt)

 

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Response to ScreamingMeemie (Reply #31)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:47 PM

80. She looks like my mother, too.

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Response to Hepburn (Reply #27)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:36 PM

32. I'm a professional male

I feel qualified to comment on professional male attire

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Response to firebrand80 (Reply #32)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:41 PM

52. Professional male...so what.

I am a professional female, retired, but if I comment on HRC it's sexist???

BTW: I like the way Bernie dresses.

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Response to Hepburn (Reply #52)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:43 PM

59. I wouldn't say that's sexist

But I'm probably less sensitive then your average DU'er

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Response to firebrand80 (Reply #59)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:47 PM

76. OK...I can handle that...

...IMO, dress and appearance are part of the whole shtick ... and IMO, comments on whether or not someone is going the right way or wrong way on his/her appearance...I think that is an OK subject. Like, IMO, Hillary finally has a hair style that fits her. I like it. I also think that MOM looks presidential...at least in the Harrison Ford manner.

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Response to firebrand80 (Reply #32)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:57 PM

118. I'm an amateur male.

 

Haven't figured out a way to monetize this thing yet.

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Response to Codeine (Reply #118)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:58 PM

122. ha ha

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Response to Hepburn (Reply #27)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:58 PM

121. Is the lighting bad at the debate?

Too bright?

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #121)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:59 PM

125. There is something odd...everyone looks like they are sunburned...and the contrast is way too much.

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:35 PM

28. So far

HRC opening - meh

Now MOM is pushing terror, WTF?

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Response to MsLeopard (Reply #28)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:52 PM

98. What was up with MO'M?

That opening statement sounded like it belonged in the Republican debate.

Normally, I like that guy, but that speech was icky.

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:36 PM

30. Martin next. Terrorists. But bring us together. Never surrender to billionaires with big mouths. Nt

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:37 PM

33. "the fascist rhetoric of billionaires with big mouths"

From Martin O'Malley's opening statement.

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:37 PM

34. good martin open

and so far so good on bernie

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:37 PM

35. O'Malley lobs one at Trump.

"Fascist rhetoric of billionaires with big mouths" GO'Malley!

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:37 PM

36. Bernie. His standard stump, which is good. Climate change. Sustainable energy. No perpetual warfare.

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:37 PM

37. Mommy, the old man on tv is yelling at me

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:38 PM

38. Fascist billionaires with big mouths.

LOL.

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:38 PM

39. Go Bernie!

He addresses the issues that really matter!

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:38 PM

41. Here we go! nt

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:38 PM

43. First question.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #43)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:40 PM

48. Nothing about issues, just noise about data access

as if that impacts us.

But, it's a new shiny object.

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:39 PM

44. My Lady Friend Says O'Malley Has Elf Ears....nt

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Response to global1 (Reply #44)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:45 PM

72. LOL, my wife said the same thing!

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Response to global1 (Reply #44)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:51 PM

95. Absolutely! n/t

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:39 PM

45. Tell it, Bernie

Truth coming out!!!!

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Response to MsLeopard (Reply #45)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:40 PM

50. Lil Debbie looks like she's constipated. Nt

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:39 PM

46. OH, thanks, david, get the 'data' issue on the table quickly.

PLEASE shut it down.

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:40 PM

51. Wipe that smug smile off your face DWS.

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #51)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:42 PM

57. She should be wiping the blowby she got from that stupid stunt off her face.

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:41 PM

53. Bernie apologizes! Nt

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Response to longship (Reply #53)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:42 PM

55. Good!

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Response to longship (Reply #53)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:43 PM

63. And Hillary was gracious in response. n/t

 

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Response to Wilms (Reply #63)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:07 PM

158. I love them both

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:41 PM

54. Ok, there is the integrity I was looking for.

 

Thank you for the apology Bernie.

Well done.

Lets hope some folks can follow his lead around here.

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Response to JTFrog (Reply #54)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:43 PM

60. Integrity. nt

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:42 PM

56. Bernie just admitted his staff did wrong.

 

Good for him.

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Response to Tipperary (Reply #56)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:43 PM

65. Good for Bernie.

 

Glad he has taken responsibility. Time for him to take out the trash in his campaign and move on.

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Response to Tipperary (Reply #56)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:43 PM

66. I'm pretty sure that's been clear from the beginning...

...I mean, Bernie fired the guy right at the start of the breach when it came to his attention. The idea that Bernie has acted anything but ethical in this situation is silly. What more could he have done? Seen the future and stopped it before it happened?

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Response to Tipperary (Reply #56)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:58 PM

120. He apologized. That was nice. They're adults - I think that's making

some supporters on both sides unhappy. Glad they want to talk about issues.

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Response to MADem (Reply #120)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:04 PM

145. I agree.

 

I support Hillary, but I have respect for Sanders and O'Malley. That was classy of Bernie to apologize.

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:42 PM

58. Weak again

 

Is this the same playbook Bernie used in the first debate?

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:43 PM

61. Fucking called it.

Sanders "supporters" are crying right now.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #61)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:49 PM

89. Actually As A Sanders Supporter I'm Applauding Now...

sorry to burst your bubble.

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Response to global1 (Reply #89)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:53 PM

103. If you are proud of the apology and deescalation...

...then you're not who I'm talking about.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #61)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:52 PM

99. Not at all. If there was a legitimate wrongdoing, and Sen. Sanders seems to believe there was, I am

glad he's taken responsibility and apologized for the incident. Kudos to Hillary for being gracious as well.

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Response to WIProgressive88 (Reply #99)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:55 PM

112. We are a rare breed.

There are threads here getting kicked in complete denial.

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Response to WIProgressive88 (Reply #99)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:15 PM

166. The wrongdoing was donne by the vendor that manages the databases. And that will come out in time.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #166)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:58 PM

172. Quit blaming the vendor. There were age demographics

searched and Donna Brazille mentioned there might have been data sabotage or deletion. Files were downloaded. And it was the vendor who reported it, although Sanders claims they reported it in October...it's December now, so,...

Both candidates handled it well tonight, but here you are refusing to accept facts. What a shame.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #172)

Sun Dec 20, 2015, 01:58 AM

173. The breach I read lasted only 40 minutes.

There is no allegation that the Sanders hacked Hillary's database but rather thatthe vendor's firewall did not function. That is my understanding.

The problem is that the vendor did not protect the information. If Bernie's campaign had been guilty of hacking or something like that, Bernie would not have sought an injinction in court because he would not have been able to argue that his campaign had clean hands, and the sDNC would not have given in so easily.

Bernie dismissed his employee for taking advantage of the vendor's error, but the vendor made the original error.

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:43 PM

62. Well done, Senator Sanders. Well done.

Very gracious response by Hillary Clinton.

I hope the media leave sit alone from this point forward.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Reply #62)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:44 PM

69. This.

 

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Reply #62)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:44 PM

70. Agreed. Much more important things to discuss

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Reply #62)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:47 PM

79. The DNC should have handled this inhouse instead of running to the MSM making a stink of it.

 

In 2008, Hillary's campaign breached Obama's campaign info, and it was handled inhouse.

Grace given then, grace not returned this time.

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Response to AtomicKitten (Reply #79)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:09 PM

164. Ooh, don't worry, it ain't over for DWS.

But by a long shot.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #164)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:59 PM

170. I hope we can fix this.

 

Ed Rendell as DNC Chair wasn't particularly helpful to John Kerry in 2004.

Nobody that I can recall has done a better job than Howard Dean. I remain in awe of his 50-state strategy that Obama tapped into to a brilliant victory in 2008. Best damn ride of my life politically.

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Response to AtomicKitten (Reply #170)

Sun Dec 20, 2015, 08:28 AM

175. mcauliff, the current governor of VA, was the DNC chair

As such, he was awful. He chose the date of the convention which led to Kerry having to spend his genuine funds over 13 weeks vs 8 for Bush. A significant disadvantage. In addition, he did nothing to get state parties in good shape. It was almost as if the DNC saw 2004 as a year it would be better not to even try in many states. ( Not just for President, but for anything)

I agree that DWS was a disaster in 2014, when I think she agreed with the public stepping away from Obama. This may have been her infatuation with all things Clinton, buy it was really bad as strategy. The way she handled the data problem was horrible. I think, even though I would prefer a better nominee, the nominee will be Clinton. I don't think her handling of this - versus Dean's in 2008 - helps in bringing everyone behind her.

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Response to karynnj (Reply #175)

Sun Dec 20, 2015, 02:06 PM

179. McAullife. Yes, of course.

 

It's no coincidence that when the DNC is in the hands of a Clinton advocate, the party loses. It was a real disservice to John Kerry. When Hillary loses (either in the primary or general), it will be schadenfreude, a karmic payback. In 2014, it was Bill Clinton who promoted the strategy of candidates turning their backs on the president. Alison L. Grimes took that advice and got her ass handed to her, the delicious irony being Pres Obama garnered more votes than she did in Kentucky. Bill Clinton only supported those people that endorsed Hillary in '08, and most of those Third Way candidates lost. I hope 2016 puts an end to the Clinton stranglehold on the Democratic Party. Otherwise, they will succeed in driving away long time Democrats and a brand new pool of young voters away from an already dwindling party. Gallup has the breakdown at 43% Independents, 30% Democrats, and 26% Republicans.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #164)

Sun Dec 20, 2015, 10:18 AM

176. I hope not. She's a disaster and will lose this election for us.

edited to add, the 2016 presidential election.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Reply #62)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:48 PM

86. I agree...

...IMO, I think they wanted a pie throwing fight like the GOPers do in their debates.

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:43 PM

64. Gah... stop buffering!!!

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:44 PM

67. Bernie brings it back to the issues

Thank you!

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:44 PM

68. O'Malley brings some reason, too.

And Bernie agrees. We've got kumbaya tonight. The data breech is officially done!

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Response to longship (Reply #68)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:45 PM

71. no surprise there. They want to focus back on the issues

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:45 PM

73. I like all our candidates...

don't care what anyone says. Could you imagine the food fight that would have taken place if that had been repukes up there with the data thing? Nah, we're good.

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:46 PM

74. Again I'll say it's a relief to be listening to adults. Well done all around.

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:47 PM

77. ISis now. Hillary mentioning O'Malley.

This should be on prime time midweek.

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Response to longship (Reply #77)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:48 PM

84. In what way, I am not watching the debates?

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:47 PM

81. Martin is doing Kasich hand-dancing.

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:47 PM

82. 9/11 WTC attacks didn't happen in Maryland, Martin

 

What's the deal with him and Christie trying to make 9/11 about them?

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #82)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:53 PM

102. Because immediately after 9/11,

responsible mayors and governors recognized their responsibility to address the potential for subsequent problems, and governor O'Malley addressed them. It WAS and IS about them, and O'Malley has experience doing it.

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Response to elleng (Reply #102)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:01 PM

133. Sure

 



Or more likely they're exaggerating their non-existent national security cred

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #133)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:06 PM

156. I hope you do not remain ignorant of his credentials.

There is NOTHING funny about it.

O’Malley puts forward a vision for national security.

'In a wide-ranging speech to a conference of the Truman National Security Project, the former Maryland governor also cited a need to to improve human intelligence in foreign countries and said that bolstering the U.S. economy is central to the country’s strength abroad.

“No fighter jet or troop battalion will keep us as safe as a vibrant economy, a strong democracy and a growing middle class,” O’Malley said in his speech at a Washington hotel.' >>>
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/06/26/omalley-puts-forward-a-vision-for-national-security/

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:48 PM

83. In 5 mins, it is done

Sanders took responsibility and apologized, Clinton accepted, O'Malley steered us back to real issues.

This is why every Democratic candidates is miles better than any Republican candidate.

(meant to post this here, not as a reply halfway up)

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:48 PM

87. Glad to hear Bernie apologized

I know it was his campaign people who did wrong and not him, but I'm glad to finally see him say something, and own up to the error. Good for him! The lawsuit stuff yesterday left a sour taste, and this does a lot to restore his image for me. Good of Hilary to be gracious too. Hopefully it is because they all realize that in the end, for the sake of the country, Democrats must unite. We have bigger fish to fry next November!

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Response to Nonhlanhla (Reply #87)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:53 PM

101. And that snuffed it out. Let both Bernie and Hillary partisans see that. nt

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Response to Nonhlanhla (Reply #87)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:28 PM

169. The vendor of the data should have protected it,t

This story is not over. I bet more will come out.

Nevertheless, any of Bernie's employees who saw it had to go.

Of course, thevendor who was responsible for safekeeping and enabling legitimate access to each team's access is the problem here I would guess.

The question is whether, since so many key figures in the company thati is the vendor and manager of the databases kept the information secure from Hillary's campaign.

That company is full of people with ties to Hillary.

Bernie's campaign manager talked about a prior breach in October. BerniE apologized, but I don'rtthink lthhis scandal is anywhere near over. My guess!

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:49 PM

88. Let me know when I should start another thread. nt

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Response to longship (Reply #88)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:54 PM

106. now?

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:49 PM

90. Bernie shout-out to the actual LIVING king of Jordan!

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Response to bullwinkle428 (Reply #90)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:51 PM

94. Lol!

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Response to bullwinkle428 (Reply #90)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:51 PM

96. LOL. Wonder if Chris Christie will tweet something

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:50 PM

92. Up to now

The only mention of economic issues facing the majority of Americans has been raised by Bernie. ABC is keeping it all on Repub issues so far. What a joke.

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:50 PM

93. Hope DUers take the example shown from the debate

Hillary and Bernie were very civil about the breach in the database. Bernie took the right corrective action, and the DNC restored access as they should have. Now the issues will be addressed.

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:52 PM

97. Hillary did not even bother to answer the gun question

 

This is the DU member formerly known as Duckhunter935.

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:53 PM

100. Bernie on guns. Stronger background check, eliminate loopholes....

 

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #100)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:54 PM

105. Wow, MOM insists on talking about guns, and will not stop, LOL. Gotta give him props.

 

Go MOM!

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #105)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:55 PM

113. It is actually a courageous thing to do in this gun loving environment

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Response to still_one (Reply #113)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:01 PM

134. yeah. and I appreciate that.

 

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:54 PM

104. Yikes, Bernie answer on guns is pretty bad so far...nt

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Response to ProudToBeLiberal (Reply #104)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:55 PM

110. I thought that it was a good answer

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:54 PM

107. I'm kinda digging O'Malley's spirit :)

 

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:55 PM

108. O'Malley nails gun control!!!! nt

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:55 PM

109. Good for O'Malley for butting in.

Cripes, they never let him talk in the first couple of debates.

And he's being very forceful. Got Martha to ask him a follow-up ! :woooo:

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Response to femmocrat (Reply #109)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:00 PM

129. Bingo. If he wants to be heard he has to be forceful. nt.

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:55 PM

111. O'Malley kind of "went Cruz" there, seizing control from moderator...

to state he was strongest on gun control.

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Response to bullwinkle428 (Reply #111)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:56 PM

114. can't blame him, he has to do something to get people's attention

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Response to still_one (Reply #114)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:58 PM

123. Yeah, I think that is his goal tonight.

And gun control is a very strong issue for him.

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Response to MH1 (Reply #123)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:00 PM

127. yes it is, and it should be a strong issue for all Americans

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Response to still_one (Reply #114)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:59 PM

124. Not surprised - he had to "go big or go home" with no more

debates for weeks.

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:56 PM

115. A lot of friendly tete a tete. nt

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Response to longship (Reply #115)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:57 PM

117. and that is ok, but they should try and distinguish themselves on the issues, or their differences

on the issues

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Response to still_one (Reply #117)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:59 PM

126. Oh! I don't think there will be any problem with that. ;-)

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Response to longship (Reply #126)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:02 PM

136. Problem is I am not watching the debate now, just reading this thread

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:57 PM

116. Oh come on Bernie, my man, don't use old material. n/

Groan...

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:57 PM

119. Bernie is going to beat the shit out of O'Malley after the debate nt

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Response to firebrand80 (Reply #119)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:02 PM

138. That'll get MO'M some well-deserved attention.

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:00 PM

128. She gives Chimpy credit

 

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #128)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:01 PM

135. For one fucking thing

W DID say we are not at war with Islam.

Get the fuck over it.

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Response to ronnykmarshall (Reply #135)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:02 PM

137. chill.

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Response to still_one (Reply #137)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:05 PM

149. Was I wrong?

Chill my ass.

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Response to ronnykmarshall (Reply #135)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:04 PM

146. That moron destroyed the Middle East. He's a war criminal

 

It's like giving the Nazis credit for making good automobiles

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #146)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:06 PM

155. They made the trains run on time.

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #146)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:12 PM

165. No shit ....

I'm not defended that mother fucker. Probably the only one fucking thing that shit bag said was about not being at war with Islam.

I'm so fucking sick at the nit picking SHIT by the Hillary bashers.

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:00 PM

130. Trump!! Yup! nt

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:01 PM

131. All three are working hard to sound strong and forceful.

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Response to JimDandy (Reply #131)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:22 PM

167. Working at forceful.......

My take

Bernie's natural personality comes over as a crotchety old man to someone raised in the south but probably just a regular guy to folks from the northeast. In a world sense they need to see him as forceful. He's a general unknown so he's got to turn it up now.

Hillary doesn't need to act forceful. The world knows she's got a steel spine already. She's got the luxury of feeling forceful and being calm externally at the same time.

Martin is also a relative unknown and feels the need to look tough. Unfortunately his natural personality is soft and calm I think so when he tries to look like he's got a little asshole in him he just kind of looks like a nice man pretending to be an asshole. Which is probably why he's having so much trouble getting traction.

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:01 PM

132. Good to hear Hillary call Trump out for what he is.

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:02 PM

139. AAAAAaaaaannnnnnd, pivot to the economy. But his point is right on.

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:03 PM

140. I'm surprised that Bernie was going after O'Malley so forcefully earlier.

Not sure if that is a good political tactic.

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:03 PM

141. Larry David seems a little on the Angry side

Needs to tone it down a bit.

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Response to itsrobert (Reply #141)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:05 PM

148. You think? As long as he's making good points I think the forcefulness is good.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #148)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:08 PM

161. I agree.

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:03 PM

142. Great point, Bernie - let Trump's minions know how little he thinks of them.

re: minimum wage.

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:03 PM

143. I LOVE WHAT BERNIE JUST SAID ABOUT TRUMP

 

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Response to liberalnarb (Reply #143)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:05 PM

150. YES!!!!!

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:03 PM

144. Bernie's passion is going to break a blood vessel in MY neck

Pheewee... breathe breathe.

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:04 PM

147. O'Malley don't care 'bout your debate rules

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:05 PM

151. That was a very stirring rant by Bernie.

I love his passion on how he called out trump for bigotry

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:05 PM

152. What a non-answer on encryption from Hillary

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Response to shawn703 (Reply #152)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:09 PM

162. Backdoor (aka key escrow) Clipper Chips and Skipjack encryption are a Bill Clinton era idea

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:05 PM

153. The back door is the wrong door. Haahaa. Whoops...

Everyone here tittering at that.

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Response to JimDandy (Reply #153)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:07 PM

157. Once again Hillary throws the LGBT community under the bus.



Terrible joke...don't hate me...I couldn't resist!

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Response to bobbobbins01 (Reply #157)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:07 PM

160. Oh, you....

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:05 PM

154. New Thread! Keep on keeping on DUers!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251925027

BTW, I am awed by the response. Let's keep it going.

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Response to longship (Reply #154)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:09 PM

163. Great job longship, thanks

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:07 PM

159. O'Malley whistles with his S's like the old man in Family Guy

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:24 PM

168. Why does Hillary get to speak over everyone but O'Malley was forced to hush? nt

 

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Response to longship (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 10:05 PM

171. She just did it again! Hillary bulldozes her way through time that is not hers! She defies...

 

...the moderator too and ignores their attempts to keep control of the debate!

Damn!

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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Reply #171)

Sun Dec 20, 2015, 02:09 AM

174. That is the moderators fault for not controlling the debate.

The moderaters failed miserably to control the debate. Each candidate wanted to get their 2 cents worth. Mrs. Clinton was allowed to speak beyond her time so did Mr. Sanders.

All in all, it was a great debate! Call me silly, but I love all three of the Dem candidates. Anyone of them will be a powerful ally to our PM, Mr. Justin Trudeau!

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Reply #174)

Sun Dec 20, 2015, 10:29 AM

177. They tried to stop her over and over and she got louder and louder and DID NOT STOP. That...

 

...IS NOT the moderators fault. I know what I saw and she did more than once.

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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Reply #177)

Sun Dec 20, 2015, 10:45 AM

178. This is a pet peeve of mine.

Once a candidate's time is up, their mic should be cut... no matter who it is.

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Response to longship (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2016, 12:33 AM

180. What's the use of having George Snuffleupagus moderate the debate if only Big Bird can see him?


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