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Fri Dec 18, 2015, 07:52 PM

DNC and Hillary need to understand something

Prior to this I would have held my nose and voted for her if that was all there was at the end of the road. But after this shit It's not going to happen. I've had it. You WILL NOT box me in and force me to vote for Clinton or any of your other Corporate stooges based on the lesser of two evils.... The big bad fascist oligarchs or Hillary. It's not going to happen. Understand this.

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Reply DNC and Hillary need to understand something (Original post)
Ferd Berfel Dec 2015 OP
leftofcool Dec 2015 #1
Ferd Berfel Dec 2015 #3
leftofcool Dec 2015 #6
peacebird Dec 2015 #32
bkkyosemite Dec 2015 #11
leftofcool Dec 2015 #14
questionseverything Dec 2015 #36
leftofcool Dec 2015 #38
Scuba Dec 2015 #65
virtualobserver Dec 2015 #2
Hepburn Dec 2015 #7
Ferd Berfel Dec 2015 #10
Matariki Dec 2015 #21
jwirr Dec 2015 #34
Ghost Dog Dec 2015 #45
jwirr Dec 2015 #46
Ghost Dog Dec 2015 #48
jwirr Dec 2015 #49
Ghost Dog Dec 2015 #54
jwirr Dec 2015 #64
Metric System Dec 2015 #4
Hepburn Dec 2015 #8
Metric System Dec 2015 #12
Hepburn Dec 2015 #19
Metric System Dec 2015 #22
Hepburn Dec 2015 #27
VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #52
Name removed Dec 2015 #13
Hepburn Dec 2015 #29
Jester Messiah Dec 2015 #60
haikugal Dec 2015 #5
brooklynite Dec 2015 #9
Name removed Dec 2015 #17
virtualobserver Dec 2015 #20
bigwillq Dec 2015 #15
Hepburn Dec 2015 #23
bigwillq Dec 2015 #37
Maedhros Dec 2015 #42
in_cog_ni_to Dec 2015 #63
Maedhros Dec 2015 #68
fredamae Dec 2015 #16
Matariki Dec 2015 #25
fredamae Dec 2015 #33
Matariki Dec 2015 #35
fredamae Dec 2015 #40
MoonRiver Dec 2015 #18
Vincardog Dec 2015 #24
LexVegas Dec 2015 #26
orpupilofnature57 Dec 2015 #31
in_cog_ni_to Dec 2015 #28
Robbins Dec 2015 #41
in_cog_ni_to Dec 2015 #44
Ghost Dog Dec 2015 #47
orpupilofnature57 Dec 2015 #30
democrank Dec 2015 #39
grasswire Dec 2015 #56
CajunBlazer Dec 2015 #61
Maedhros Dec 2015 #43
Ferd Berfel Dec 2015 #67
JoePhilly Dec 2015 #50
RandySF Dec 2015 #51
6chars Dec 2015 #53
MohRokTah Dec 2015 #55
Faux pas Dec 2015 #57
Jester Messiah Dec 2015 #58
Bernblu Dec 2015 #59
MeNMyVolt Dec 2015 #62
NurseJackie Dec 2015 #66

Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 07:53 PM

1. So what?

Staffers for your candidate cheat and you are mad at Hillary? What else is new?

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 07:54 PM

3. Pretending that ther is nothing else to the story - in this forum won't work

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 07:57 PM

6. Oh there is more to the story alright.

I will be looking for criminal charges to be filed against Bernie's staffers

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:15 PM

32. Like those filed against Hillary for classified info on a private server? If i did that, I would be

In jail. The wife of an ex president apparently doesn't have to follow same rules. Nor did Petraeus. Who fed classified info to his uncleared lover.
Pity. America should not have a different set of rules for the 1% than the rest of us.

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:00 PM

11. You honestly think...

that this has been going on since October with several actions by the Sanders campaign to report to DNC and nothing was done about the OPEN DOOR. Clinton's campaign did not look at Sanders stuff, please. I think they did...no don't have proof but it's obvious because it was conveniently not taken care of two months ago. Hillary is not trusted. You know she was being attacked staring right at the camera when she said it (Bosnia). Untrustworthy. The vendor was in the Clinton camp since 2008 and so is/was DWS. That open door I believe was intentional.

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Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #11)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:02 PM

14. The breach in October was already fixed and was with a different company

Server logs tell all. No logs show that the Clinton campaign ever breach any of Sanders data.

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #14)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:22 PM

36. October breach was NOT a different company

the IT guy from hc's 2008 campaign runs the dnc's voters list and he controls the logs...so they mean nothing

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Response to questionseverything (Reply #36)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:24 PM

38. Actually is was and you really ought to do some research on logs.

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #14)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:37 AM

65. Source please. All reports I've seen say you're wrong about this.

 

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 07:54 PM

2. they are treading on very dangerous ground

 

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 07:58 PM

7. IMO...with this stunt...

...I don't think that HRC and her toddy DWS and the DNC Coronation Committee had any clue at the negativity that is flowing to all three of them. Heavy handed and totally stupid on their part to try this.

Too convenient and too coincidental for people to not see through it completely.

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Response to Hepburn (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:00 PM

10. I dont' think they gave a rats ass

She is the anointed one and that's all the oligarchy cares about

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:10 PM

21. Because what are we going to do, let their friend, Trump, win?

So, fuck all the 'little people'. And after the coronation they won't need to pretend to be against the TPP or Keystone pipeline, or giving tax breaks to the wealthy.

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:18 PM

34. It seems to me that all those in the establishment who are

supporting Hillary are so out of touch with what people are feeling that they do this crazy shit thinking that we are not watching and do not care.

IF Hillary and her followers really care about the SCOTUS they are the ones who have to get in touch with reality. Everything she, DWS, DNC, and those who endorse her do is a reflection on her character and it is not looking good.

IF she wants Democrats to win then she better make this primary an honest one. The Clinton game of the 90s is not working anymore. She needs to learn a new game.

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Response to jwirr (Reply #34)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:56 PM

45. The SCOTUS is quintessential, of course,

in the Republic.

Has the method of appointment ever been re-examined in Congress? Should it be?

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Response to Ghost Dog (Reply #45)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 09:20 PM

46. I agree that it is essential. As to the method of appointment

I see some problems in that when we have a congress that has no intention of appointing anyone no matter what then we are in trouble. As it stands now they could actually refuse to fill a seat if it were empty.

As to changing the system. No matter what we do there would be problems.

I think that either Hillary or Bernie or Martin would do a good job of appointing people we would want but someone has to win first. And what is happening now is infuriating voters. We do not think that anyone is listening.

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Response to jwirr (Reply #46)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 09:31 PM

48. I hear you, thanks.

"No matter what we do there would be problems." True. But, maybe, SCOTUS term limits?

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Response to Ghost Dog (Reply #48)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 09:39 PM

49. I think the term limits are there so that they do not have to

be elected every so often. Being elected can take money and as we are seeing can make a candidate beholden to someone.

Right now the age of our judges is quite old and I can see where that could be a problem because of what I said before. If one or more can no longer serve and congress refused to fill the seat our present court could be severely limited in scope.

I know that our local judges are elected and that can be a problem even on the local level.

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Response to jwirr (Reply #49)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:00 PM

54. Yeah. I see it's a minefield.

In Argentina right now too, I observe: http://www.democraticunderground.com/110846333

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Response to Ghost Dog (Reply #54)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 11:25 PM

64. I would guess that anywhere in the world they have a high

court it is a problem.

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 07:56 PM

4. So the Sanders campaign screws up and Hillary should be punished? What kind of logic...

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Response to Metric System (Reply #4)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 07:59 PM

8. Hey, the negatives are flowing toward Hillary...

...she made her own punishment for the stunt her toddy DWS pulled. Too obvious even for Hillary and her coronation committee. She is getting what she deserves.

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Response to Hepburn (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:01 PM

12. That makes no sense.

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Response to Metric System (Reply #12)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:06 PM

19. You think this just happened and HRC, DWS and the DNC had not part in this set up?

You have to be kidding if you cannot step back and see the big picture. The negatives are going toward Hillary because of what the DNC did to try and hurt Bernie. No doubt on my part that Hillary was involved in this and thought it would hurt Bernie and help her. The results are just the opposite.

Hint: Look at the people involved and the timing.

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Response to Hepburn (Reply #19)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:10 PM

22. Or Sanders supporters are spinning a conspiracy theory because they refuse to accept that the

Sanders campaign did something shady and got caught.

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Response to Metric System (Reply #22)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:13 PM

27. Yep...they alerted months ago about the firewall problem...

...and to a Hillary lover, they did something shady by checking to see what data the HRC campaign stole from them.

Aren't you getting dizzy with all the spinning?

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Response to Hepburn (Reply #27)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 09:46 PM

52. Where is your proof of that....

 

Other than the word of the guilty parties?

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Response to Name removed (Reply #13)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:13 PM

29. Some apparently chose not to see. n/t

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Response to Metric System (Reply #4)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:52 PM

60. The logic that flows from...

 

This was a stunt, a set-up undertaken at her direction to eliminate her strongest rival. Now it's backfiring on her.

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 07:57 PM

5. Agree totally!

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 07:59 PM

9. Ciao!

Not to worry--plenty of Democrats will be

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Response to Name removed (Reply #17)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:07 PM

20. exactly.....Bernie handled it perfectly.....firing the staffer

 

HRC and DWS are playing political games

I've had enough of their shit.

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:02 PM

15. Then don't vote for her.

 

Simple. Done and done. Case closed.

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Response to bigwillq (Reply #15)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:11 PM

23. You realize you are speaking to thousands and thousands of people, right?

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Response to Hepburn (Reply #23)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:23 PM

37. Brazillions and Brazillions

 

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Response to bigwillq (Reply #37)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:29 PM

42. Laugh it off.

 

The Democratic Party needs liberals more than we need them.

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Response to Maedhros (Reply #42)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 11:22 PM

63. They won't be laughing when they're left with a shell of a "Democratic" (laughable!) Party.

After the huge exodus of TRUE Progressives, Millenials, Independents and many, many Boomers.

They think we are just going to forget all about this crap. It'll blow over. Not happening.If Bernie's not the nominee, I exit this sham of a party.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Reply #63)

Sun Dec 20, 2015, 05:14 AM

68. The DNC's actions during this primary campaign have removed any shred of a doubt

 

I may have had regarding whether the Democratic Party could be salvaged. It cannot. The leadership is corrupt, and the rank-and-file are bleating sheep.

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:03 PM

16. It's already affecting

down ballot tickets......all the way down the chain, I've "heard". State legislative races also. We'll know more facts about that after the dust settles a little......
I know I was on the phone today at both DNC, local and state levels.

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Response to fredamae (Reply #16)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:12 PM

25. As a volunteer?

Can you explain in more detail? Were you fielding angry calls today - or making them?

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Response to Matariki (Reply #25)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:16 PM

33. Making them n/t

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Response to fredamae (Reply #33)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:21 PM

35. Oh

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Response to Matariki (Reply #35)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:27 PM

40. I dialed the State Chair DPO

and actually got a live person (not the chair)....and for Once I was allowed to air my grievances with the Dem party without being hung up on. It was a lengthy conversation. This person advised me they'd "been getting quite a few calls regarding this matter" and were going to respond to the DNC. We'll see if that happens.

I called the WH requesting DWS removal. I called the DNC. I called my senator running for re-election. This was the perfect time to pull this crap-right before the debate and while "everyone" is out on Christmas vacation. I will keep trying to talk with people-but I doubt I will get any response until well after the new year.

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:04 PM

18. And I'll be crying about that all the way to the voting booth.

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:11 PM

24. TPTB would be just as happy if any of the stooges they own win. As long as it's not Bernie. He is

the only one that challenges their rule. Hillary is the only one that will win if she wins.

If HRC wind the Democratic nomination the moneyed elite are as pleased as pigs in shit.
If she wins or loses come November they are still as pleased as pigs in shit.

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:12 PM

26. We're all scared shitless. nt

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Response to LexVegas (Reply #26)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:15 PM

31. But not Senseless .

 

Bernie !!!

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:13 PM

28. There's a BOATLOAD of Ferd Berfel's on here.

After this Primary election, if Bernie isn't the nominee, I'm changing party affiliation and will never call myself a Democrat again. I'm done. After all the TRUE PROGRESSIVES, Millennials and Independents stop voting Democratic, they'll never win another election again until they join forces with their GOP brethren. That's where they're headed anyway - The RIGHT WING THIRD WAY AND THE GOP - together at last! Enjoy! It's your DREAM COME TRUE!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Reply #28)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:28 PM

41. Here In missouri

you don't register by party so anyone can vote in primarys but i am after being dem since 1992 when i turned 18 officially calling
myself a liberal independent.I still hate GOP as much as every but i am so sick of clintons and DWS.

the democratic party could be headed for it's demise in their effort to cornate clinton.

If bernie wins nomination in spite of them i may cahnge my mind on what i call myself.

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Response to Robbins (Reply #41)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:39 PM

44. I'm pretty sure

this is the final nail in the so-called, "Democratic" (makes me want to vomit) Party. There WILL BE AN EXODUS. They've shown their true colors - blatantly so!

Also, HRH cannot and WILL NOT win without TRUE PROGRESSIVES, MILLENNIALS AND INDEPENDENTS. It's impossible.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Reply #28)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 09:21 PM

47. Would there be any effective way to encourage the GOP to split

along internal fault-lines...?

Multi-party politics can be... adequately representative, at least in parliamentary systems...

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:13 PM

30. Bernie is the only hope to slow the erosion of our Democracy.Period.

 

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:24 PM

39. One good thing.....

Anti-coronation Democrats don`t have to genuflect. We don`t have to incessantly nod when orders come down from on high. We don`t have to support folks like Rahm Emanuel, Al From, Debbie Wasserman Schultz and other DLC types. We don`t have to favor image makers or wait for focus group results before we make a decision. We don`t have to parse every sentence or follow every directive.

We`re not ashamed of being issues voters or for taking a different path. And, many of us remember all the postings here at DU when George W. Bush followers simply nodded and never asked questions.

Not all of us are pro-dynasty Democrats.

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Response to democrank (Reply #39)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:12 PM

56. well said nt

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:37 PM

43. Pay close attention, Liberals and Progressives.

 

The Democratic Party, by its actions, is telling us exactly what they think of us.

They don't want us in their Party.

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Response to Maedhros (Reply #43)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 07:36 PM

67. That is apparently the sad truth.

WE are supposed to just take orders, sit down and shut up.
AIN'T HAPPENIN'

THe sad truth is that today's Democratic Party is the Republican Party of 40-50 years ago. The only reason some don't notice it is that the fascist insane clown posse on the right has pushed the scale so far to the right that the 'center' is off the 1970 scale.

Nice cover for a gold water girl with more corporate patches on her suit than a NASCAR driver

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 09:42 PM

50. Anyone who believes that nonsense would purchase ...

... this bridge I'm selling ...



... and then live under it.

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 09:43 PM

51. Once again like my 9-year old

Angry over being caught.

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 09:57 PM

53. It's not worth splitting the party over

DNC has overreacted by taking away access to the voter list, but that can be restored. We do not want to split the progressive wing from the moderate wing of the Democratic party and as a result have two weaker parties.

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:01 PM

55. So you are saying that we have to loo the other way while the Sanders campaign STEALS DATA

 

or else you're not going to vote for Hillary in the GE?

Good riddance if that's your stance.

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:23 PM

57. K N R

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:48 PM

58. Right there with you. [nt]

 

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:51 PM

59. I agree!

Enough is Enough!

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 11:10 PM

62. Leave. You're not wanted.

 

Take your threats elsewhere.

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:39 AM

66. Understand this ...


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