Tue Dec 15, 2015, 11:48 AM

hill2016 (1,772 posts)

Sanders finally finds his bully pulpit...in New York State

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/15/nyregion/bernie-sanders-urges-cuomo-to-raise-pay-for-cuny-professors.html?_r=0

Mr. Sanders, a candidate for the Democratic nomination, on Friday sent a letter to Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo that called on him to provide funding for a new contract with raises.

This is solely a state issue.

Now, can somebody explain to me again why being a federal Senator prevented him from using his influence in Vermont to push for the implementation of single payer there? I thought that single payer was one of the major planks of his platform?

12 replies, 928 views

Thread info Bookmark this thread Trash this thread

Reply to this thread

Always highlight: 10 newest replies | Replies posted after I mark a forum

Replies to this discussion thread

12 replies	Author	Time	Post
Sanders finally finds his bully pulpit...in New York State (Original post)	hill2016	Dec 2015	OP
The Senate is not a Bully Pulpit. A Bully Pulpit is where one is speaking to the masses...not peers	libdem4life	Dec 2015	#1
+1	Hepburn	Dec 2015	#2
what they pay faculty is a state business	hill2016	Dec 2015	#9
Unrec.	Hepburn	Dec 2015	#3
did you have a substantive point to make?	hill2016	Dec 2015	#10
You didn't...why should I?	Hepburn	Dec 2015	#12
Sanders knows his base and has a spent his career....	NCTraveler	Dec 2015	#4
Perhaps we should be kinder...OP is a newcomer.	libdem4life	Dec 2015	#5
He did support single payer in Vermont....	thesquanderer	Dec 2015	#6
It's because the Vermont Governor,	floriduck	Dec 2015	#7
couldn't Bernie	hill2016	Dec 2015	#8
Bernie did push for it.	floriduck	Dec 2015	#11

Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 12:12 PM

libdem4life (13,877 posts)

1. The Senate is not a Bully Pulpit. A Bully Pulpit is where one is speaking to the masses...not peers

So he wrote a letter. Just Wow. Waste of precious time when he could have been talking about 9/11 or ___________ fill in the blank. And a "Federal Senator"? Education Is Not a state issue...it is a Federal Issue.

And this post is a straw person's post. Who wants their kids taught by inferior teachers? Raise your hands, now. They are so scarce that often warm bodies without a college education or teaching certificate are hired.

But enough of that, back to the snarky title...

Reply to this post

Response to libdem4life (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 12:14 PM

Hepburn (21,054 posts)

2. +1

Reply to this post

Response to libdem4life (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 08:55 PM

hill2016 (1,772 posts)

9. what they pay faculty is a state business

If Bernie can write a letter to the Governor of NYS on a state matter why didn't he write a letter to the Governor of Vermont on funding single payer?

Reply to this post

Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 12:15 PM

Hepburn (21,054 posts)

3. Unrec.

Seriously, do you think things through BEFORE you start threads like this?

Reply to this post

Response to Hepburn (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 08:56 PM

hill2016 (1,772 posts)

10. did you have a substantive point to make?

Reply to this post

Response to hill2016 (Reply #10)

Wed Dec 16, 2015, 10:44 AM

Hepburn (21,054 posts)

12. You didn't...why should I?

Reply to this post

Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 12:16 PM

NCTraveler (30,481 posts)

4. Sanders knows his base and has a spent his career....

Throwing red meat at them while accomplishing very little. Your op is just one of many examples of how he does it. Minus the six or so elections Sanders has lost, this is one of the ways he found to win. He knows the group this message is going to really don't care about the political process or realities. All politicians do it to some degree. Career politicians like Sanders just have to bank on it a little more often.

Reply to this post

Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 12:25 PM

libdem4life (13,877 posts)

5. Perhaps we should be kinder...OP is a newcomer.

Reply to this post

Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 12:35 PM

thesquanderer (11,492 posts)

6. He did support single payer in Vermont....

...but the Governor, who also supported it (and almost got it implented) could not get the numbers to work out acceptably. Sanders can't change arithmetic. It will need action on the federal level.

A bigger state might have had more success. Anything like this becomes more feasible as the number of participants increases. Otherwise, as they discovered, the costs-per-person become too high to be acceptable.

Reply to this post

Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 01:02 PM

floriduck (2,262 posts)

7. It's because the Vermont Governor,

one of Hill's endorsers, vetoed the states single payer healthcare plan. A governor is the highest ranking position within a state. A US Senator has no decision making authority for state-only matters.

It's taught in high school civics class in case you feel the need to enroll.

Reply to this post

Response to floriduck (Reply #7)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 08:51 PM

hill2016 (1,772 posts)

8. couldn't Bernie

at least have tried to use his bully pulpit to influence the Governor?

Just like he's using his bully pulpit here to write a letter to the Governor of New York State on a state matter?

Reply to this post

Response to hill2016 (Reply #8)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 10:16 PM

floriduck (2,262 posts)

11. Bernie did push for it.

What basis do you have that indicates Bernie just rolled over? Or did you read that on RedState.com?

Reply to this post

2016 Postmortem (Forum)