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Related: About this forumPoll: fear of a terrorist attack is top-ranked concern by Americans
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/11/us/politics/fear-of-terrorism-lifts-donald-trump-in-new-york-times-cbs-poll.htmlOK, since this is the top-ranked issue by the American people, Bernie supporters can no longer claim that economic/social justice is the most pressing concern.
I don't suppose we'll be getting a national security speech from Bernie anytime soon?
Given that this is the top-ranked concern of Americans, I hope that the next debate will spend the most time on this issue.
Americans are more fearful about the likelihood of another terrorist attack than at any other time since the weeks after Sept. 11, 2001, a gnawing sense of dread that has helped lift Donald J. Trump to a new high among Republican primary voters, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll.
In the aftermath of attacks by Islamic extremists in Paris and in San Bernardino, Calif., a plurality of the public views the threat of terrorism as the top issue facing the country. A month ago, only 4 percent of Americans said terrorism was the most important problem; now, 19 percent say it is, above any other issue.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Don't forget to stock up on tuna and duct tape.
are you dismissing the number one concern of Americans?
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Here are some more legitimate worries:
- Drowning in your own bathtub
- Auto accident
- Autocannibalism
- Getting shot by a totally non-terrorist lone nut gunman woth no motive at all, promise
- Getting bitten by a shark made of lighning
- Acetaminophen overdose
- Fnord
- Barroom stabbings
- Getting your head caught in an automatic salmon-canner
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Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Settle for Yog-Sothoth?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I have to get something worthwhile out this thread.
Thanks!
DJ13
(23,671 posts)Thats my biggest fear.
I'm always afraid my car is going to say its had enough and then eat me.
hill2016
(1,772 posts)the 19% of Americans for whom terrorism is the top concern.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)And the 48% who think the story of genesis is how the world actually came into existence.
bvf
(6,604 posts)Hepburn
(21,054 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)TSIAS
(14,689 posts)Im mad about the Muslims coming in, Im mad about the economy and Im mad because we got a stupid president, and thats about it, said Manuel Hart.
From that article. Other stupid people are quoted in that piece. If this election is about fear and terrorism Trump will win.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Are trying to get their hands on nukes. It only takes one.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)because you are on fiyah!
There should be an app for it!
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Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)My memory's not what it used to be, I guess
OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)STOCK UP NOW!!!
On edit: I see you remembered the tuna... but forgot the dried milk.
NO CASSEROLE FOR YOU!
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)I hate tuna casserole anyway
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)To calm then down and not give in to the lemming fear mentality. Or worse try to tap into it for selfish political gain.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)And I think Hillary will do good for income inequality, she addresses it quite often and confidently in the town halls I've seen.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)A combined 16% are most concerned about what Bernie is talking about. And 24% said other.
This poll is pretty meaningless. People are scared right now, but not even as concerned about terrorism as they are other.
artislife
(9,497 posts)That people are really afraid of ISIS and not of fracking or poisons in our food.
Of the fact that some scientists are now saying humans probably have only another 100 or so years...
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)you probably have more chance of being killed in a car crash than a terrorist attack.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)You're also 5,882 times more likely to die from medical error than terrorism.
187 times more likely to starve to death in American than be killed by terrorism.
or indeed..
22 times more likely to die from a brain-eating zombie parasite than a terrorist.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-terrorism-statistics-every-american-needs-to-hear/5382818
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)of terrorism, but it is even in the same universe.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)today (and every day) is about economic inequality.
Them terrorists can be ignored for a while .. or at least until the NH primary.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)And remember how Fearbola got shut off like a switch right after the election?
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Next on the list: Legionnaire's Disease makes a comeback
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)when about 40,000 Americans had died over 7 years before Ronald 'St Ron' Reagan bothered to say the word AIDS out loud. We had one (1) foreign tourist who came here with Ebola die of Ebola and the straights had a frothing panic about it. 40,000 of their neighbors die, they elect Reagan again and wonder why LGBT still don't trust them.
So yeah, I remember. I also compare and contrast to the past and the result is not that charming, really.
artislife
(9,497 posts)Criminal behavoir, imo.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)But he already does that and he is right. He just leaves her name out.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)More polls from the coronation committee. How much money are the 1 % going to spend on building that echo chamber of theirs where only carefully selected individuals answer carefully leading question that indicate support for a carefully overpromoted candidate who will guarantee the careful preservation of their overprivileged lifestyle?
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)But regardless of your appreciation of the description, what is described is the stuff that makes me weap and wake at night. (Literally: I haven't slept in 1 1/2 day...)
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Op after op after op pushing GOP ideology. How sad. So much for Hillary the progressive.
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Of course national security will be discussed.
My concern with these polls that won't be addressed. I think a majority of the American people, in the back of their minds, consider many things to be terrorism that aren't recognized as such in these conversations. They are equating all of these shootings with terrorism, and in my opinion they should. What they don't realize due to the way the stories present themselves is that their real fear is the terrorist organization called the NRA.
TheBlackAdder
(28,167 posts).
As we've seen in the 2004 elections, the CODE RED works quite well.
I wonder if institutional forces would allow another hit to steer the election of a Right Winger or the most hawkish!
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riversedge
(70,087 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,167 posts).
First, the CODE RED was factual.
Second, I'm not expressing a theory, as that says what will be happening to steer elections and pinpointing a specific element.
I'm expressing that history might repeat itself, as it was so effective before.
.
riversedge
(70,087 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251893163
Clinton Leads Sanders: Primary voters R very confident in Her ability to handle Economy & Terrorism
b]Great news for Hillary and her Team
CBS News December 10, 2015, 6:34 PM
CBS/New York Times poll: Hillary Clinton continues to lead Democratic field
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cbs-nyt-poll-hillary-clinton-continues-to-lead-democratic-field/
By Anthony Salvanto, Jennifer De Pinto, Sarah Dutton and Fred Backus
Hillary Clinton continues to lead Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders by 20 points: She receives 52 percent of Democratic primary voters' support, while Sanders gets 32 percent. Just 2 percent support former Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley.
Clinton leads among many voter groups - men, women, liberals, moderates, non-whites and voters over age 45. But Sanders performs better with voters under 45 and independents.
Handling the Issues
Clinton has an advantage over Sanders on two important issues: more Democratic primary voters are very confident in Clinton's (81 percent) than in Sanders' (65 percent) ability to handle the economy and terrorism...........
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)next question.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... but funny.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)and in Paris and Brussels. 19% is very far from a majority and that's good for Democrats because terrorism is Trump's calling card and it does not seem to be a strong one.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Playing to people's fears is a sign of weakness and lack of leadership.
hill2016
(1,772 posts)the highest % of people rank terrorism as their number one concern.
That does mean something.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)It's certainly nothing new. Americans, including some politicians, were stampeded into wars by those means. See Vietnam and Iraq for good examples.
Are some politicians seeking votes by promising them safety from the current bogeyman? Obviously.
Does that mean that people will elect the scare-mongers to office? Possibly.
Are some of us going to refuse to buy into it. Absolutely.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Congratulations!
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)40 years and ISIS hasn't been around that long so of course he doesn't have anything to say about them.
deathrind
(1,786 posts)"There were more than 316,000 firearm deaths between 2004 and 2013, compared to 313 terrorism deaths (no, that's not missing any zeros)"
Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/deaths-from-gun-violence-vs-terrorism-in-one-chart-20151002#ixzz3u2Riy3DZ
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)are the ones that wonder why people vote against "their interests."
ecstatic
(32,653 posts)worry me the most, as far as personal "fears." I feel anxiety everytime I'm near a cop.
artislife
(9,497 posts)And I am pretty light brown.
When I pass a car going slower than the speed limit and I see a PoC, I let go of any annoyance and wish them safe travels.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)A lot of people struggle just to pay the rent and buy food. They are far too busy to worry about things like terrorists when they wonder if this trip is the last one their car will make and if they have enough money in the bank to pay for that prescription they just got for their asthmatic child.
artislife
(9,497 posts)Lancero
(3,002 posts)Hillary supporters attacked Bernie for 'ignoring' the most pressing concern of the day - You know, the fact that police are getting off on murdering AA citizens?
Oh how do the times change, with Hillary supporters now claiming that "Sorry AA community, you're no longer our pressing concern".
Personally, I'm interested in a racial breakdown of people polled for that. Somehow I get the feeling that the bulk of those polled were whites. That said, given how many more people answered that they'd trust Trump to deal with terrorism issues, over Hillary, points to the majority of people polled being Conservatives - Who have made it quite apparent that they give less then a shit about anyone who isn't born white.
Still though, the poll doesn't actually say that people consider it the most pressing concern - That's your own slant on it. It's actually asking if they think we could be the victim of another terrorist attack - Given recent events, no suprise - and their own personal feelings as to ISIS and other potental terrorist threats. No where does it ask if they consider it the most important issue,
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)You are supporting Donald Trumps positions now?
jfern
(5,204 posts)Lets focus on the real issues, not the issues promoted by the military industrial complex.