Wed Dec 9, 2015, 09:49 AM

hill2016 (1,772 posts)

if Baltimore wasn't the right time, when is Sanders' big national security speech?

ignoring the issue doesn't make it go away. just wait until the 3 am call ads start up.

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if Baltimore wasn't the right time, when is Sanders' big national security speech? (Original post)	hill2016	Dec 2015	OP
Crappy OP.	Agschmid	Dec 2015	#1
Thanks for your intellectual honesty	Armstead	Dec 2015	#12
With a history like your candidate's, maybe you shouldn't mention 3am phone calls. mmk? n/t	JonLeibowitz	Dec 2015	#2
I suspect as SOS she took lots of 3 am phone calls from Obama.	leftofcool	Dec 2015	#3
deflect deflect	JonLeibowitz	Dec 2015	#5
Good answer!	Cha	Dec 2015	#23
Never	firebrand80	Dec 2015	#4
You don't think ISIS is an important enough topic to warrant a major speech? Interesting. n/t	JonLeibowitz	Dec 2015	#6
That's not what I'm saying	firebrand80	Dec 2015	#8
Absolutely not.	morningfog	Dec 2015	#16
Unrec	PowerToThePeople	Dec 2015	#7
There won't be any.	RandySF	Dec 2015	#9
The real question is when, if ever, will	Ron Green	Dec 2015	#10
He's not ignoring the issue..	ljm2002	Dec 2015	#11
Wait until he can connect ISIS with income inequality. n/t	cosmicone	Dec 2015	#13
well he connected it to climate change	hill2016	Dec 2015	#17
Clown car Media tries to pass him the right wing terror crack pipe	AgingAmerican	Dec 2015	#19
When there is a terror attack in the US	cosmicone	Dec 2015	#20
And not just any meltdown	AgingAmerican	Dec 2015	#21
ummmm yeah whatever n/t	cosmicone	Dec 2015	#22
The Ari Fleischer comparison is eery.	Betty Karlson	Dec 2015	#33
Read what I was responding to	AgingAmerican	Dec 2015	#35
Oh indeed.	Betty Karlson	Dec 2015	#36
I dare you to elaborate on your comparing that DU'ers post to Ari Fleischer's speech.	KittyWampus	Dec 2015	#39
Fleischer didn't make speeches	AgingAmerican	Dec 2015	#41
O'Malley has already done that.	Betty Karlson	Dec 2015	#34
Whoa it's like Fox News 2.0	jkbRN	Dec 2015	#14
Do you really want to talk about 3am phone calls ?	Truprogressive85	Dec 2015	#15
Bernie doesn't smoke the neocon 'Terror!' crack	AgingAmerican	Dec 2015	#18
Never	MaggieD	Dec 2015	#24
Bernies not ready to be POTUS	workinclasszero	Dec 2015	#25
In your mind, that is!	darkangel218	Dec 2015	#28
This is exactly what Hillary said about Obama in 2008.	CoffeeCat	Dec 2015	#30
Are we at risk of being invaded?	arcane1	Dec 2015	#26
Hw is not ignoring the subject,	darkangel218	Dec 2015	#27
Ummmm...those "3 a.m. Call" ads were a dismal failure	CoffeeCat	Dec 2015	#29
Just 'cause you keep digging doesn't mean you're going to find gold.	Scootaloo	Dec 2015	#31
When is the right time to talk about poverty? Housing? Infrastructure?	Betty Karlson	Dec 2015	#32
Fail. Unrec. n/t	Hepburn	Dec 2015	#37
Baltimore would have been the worst place to give such a "speech".	KittyWampus	Dec 2015	#38
+1	Hepburn	Dec 2015	#40
March 2	Freddie Stubbs	Dec 2015	#42

Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 09:52 AM

Agschmid (28,749 posts)

1. Crappy OP.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 10:39 AM

Armstead (47,803 posts)

12. Thanks for your intellectual honesty

It would be helpful if we all could do more than knee-jerk responses, and instead actually criticize posts of those who support our candidates when they deserve criticism too.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 09:54 AM

JonLeibowitz (6,282 posts)

2. With a history like your candidate's, maybe you shouldn't mention 3am phone calls. mmk? n/t

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Response to JonLeibowitz (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 09:57 AM

leftofcool (19,460 posts)

3. I suspect as SOS she took lots of 3 am phone calls from Obama.

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 09:59 AM

JonLeibowitz (6,282 posts)

5. deflect deflect

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 10, 2015, 12:03 AM

Cha (282,262 posts)

23. Good answer!

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 09:59 AM

firebrand80 (2,760 posts)

4. Never

There's no upside to doing it at this point

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Response to firebrand80 (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 10:00 AM

JonLeibowitz (6,282 posts)

6. You don't think ISIS is an important enough topic to warrant a major speech? Interesting. n/t

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Response to JonLeibowitz (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 10:12 AM

firebrand80 (2,760 posts)

8. That's not what I'm saying

I'm say that it's unlikely that Bernie wins any new voters by doing so.

He's obviously not as comfortable talking about those issues as he is talking about his economic platform. Also, it's not as though he's going to convince people that don't already support him that he's as capable as Hillary on these issues. So what would he gain at this point by doing so? He's gotten this far by staying on message, may as well stay the course.

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Response to JonLeibowitz (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 11:57 AM

morningfog (18,115 posts)

16. Absolutely not.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 10:07 AM

PowerToThePeople (9,610 posts)

7. Unrec

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 10:12 AM

RandySF (41,159 posts)

9. There won't be any.

Don't forget that the Sabders campaign blew a gasket just before the last debate because the moderator added a question about Paris.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 10:31 AM

Ron Green (9,742 posts)

10. The real question is when, if ever, will

most people figure out the "keep us safe" talk is unexamined crap, and the real issue is rejecting the fear and looking at real issues.

I am glad that at least one candidate isn't buying into the hysteria of you and the Republicans.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 10:33 AM

ljm2002 (10,751 posts)

11. He's not ignoring the issue..

...and you know it.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 11:00 AM

cosmicone (11,014 posts)

13. Wait until he can connect ISIS with income inequality. n/t

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #13)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 10:32 PM

hill2016 (1,772 posts)

17. well he connected it to climate change

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #13)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 11:35 PM

AgingAmerican (12,958 posts)

19. Clown car Media tries to pass him the right wing terror crack pipe

He doesn't take the bait. Hillary supporters suffer a meltdown. Hilarity ensues!

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #19)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 11:38 PM

cosmicone (11,014 posts)

20. When there is a terror attack in the US

a Presidential candidate has a DUTY to address people's fears and provide solutions. Not run away.

That is what "being Presidential" is all about. Sanders is just not ready. Perhaps he will be ready in about 10 years.

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #20)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 11:45 PM

AgingAmerican (12,958 posts)

21. And not just any meltdown

But a NEOCON meltdown! You sound like Ari Fleischer circa 2003. Hilarious!

Sorry, I don't partake in war criminal inspired terrorist fear mongering. I will never smoke that crack.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #21)

Thu Dec 10, 2015, 12:01 AM

cosmicone (11,014 posts)

22. ummmm yeah whatever n/t

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #21)

Thu Dec 10, 2015, 03:40 AM

Betty Karlson (7,231 posts)

33. The Ari Fleischer comparison is eery.

Especially after the 9/11 justifying Wall Street ties speech.

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Response to Betty Karlson (Reply #33)

Thu Dec 10, 2015, 07:55 AM

AgingAmerican (12,958 posts)

35. Read what I was responding to

Pure Neocon.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #35)

Thu Dec 10, 2015, 09:46 AM

Betty Karlson (7,231 posts)

36. Oh indeed.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #21)

Thu Dec 10, 2015, 10:08 AM

KittyWampus (55,894 posts)

39. I dare you to elaborate on your comparing that DU'ers post to Ari Fleischer's speech.

You won't though.

You apparently have no shame.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #39)

Thu Dec 10, 2015, 10:28 AM

AgingAmerican (12,958 posts)

41. Fleischer didn't make speeches

He used terrorism as a propaganda tool to instill fear and stifle dissent. Neocon 101.

I don't smoke from the 'Be afraid, be very afraid TERROR!!' crack pipe. Never will. You see, this sort of thing works on right wingers because they tend to have enlarged amygdala which controls emotions and fear. Liberals? Not so much.

Right wing brain left wing brain

Hope that clears it up for ya.

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #13)

Thu Dec 10, 2015, 03:41 AM

Betty Karlson (7,231 posts)

34. O'Malley has already done that.

Thanks for keeping up, though.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 11:28 AM

jkbRN (850 posts)

14. Whoa it's like Fox News 2.0

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 11:41 AM

Truprogressive85 (900 posts)

15. Do you really want to talk about 3am phone calls ?

lets be wise here

Those 3am ads failed! The people choose Obama over Clinton despite her those ads

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 11:28 PM

AgingAmerican (12,958 posts)

18. Bernie doesn't smoke the neocon 'Terror!' crack

Nor does he kiss the ass of the bought and sold, corporate clown car media.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Thu Dec 10, 2015, 12:05 AM

MaggieD (7,393 posts)

24. Never

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #24)

Thu Dec 10, 2015, 01:32 AM

workinclasszero (28,270 posts)

25. Bernies not ready to be POTUS

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #25)

Thu Dec 10, 2015, 01:42 AM

darkangel218 (13,985 posts)

28. In your mind, that is!

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #25)

Thu Dec 10, 2015, 01:53 AM

CoffeeCat (24,411 posts)

30. This is exactly what Hillary said about Obama in 2008.

Didn't work then. Won't work today.

Tired ol talking point with a proven track record of failure.

Some new schtick is desperately needed.

How about, "Bernie eats lima beans with this hands."

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Thu Dec 10, 2015, 01:38 AM

arcane1 (38,613 posts)

26. Are we at risk of being invaded?

I missed that news.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Thu Dec 10, 2015, 01:41 AM

darkangel218 (13,985 posts)

27. Hw is not ignoring the subject,

He is pointing out the deflections

Big difference.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Thu Dec 10, 2015, 01:46 AM

CoffeeCat (24,411 posts)

29. Ummmm...those "3 a.m. Call" ads were a dismal failure

No one bought that nonsense. Obama did win that election, no?

I doubt that someone would actually try to position Bernie as someone who can't handle national security issues--simply because, for one event, he wanted to stay focused on domestic issues our of respect for the pastors with whom he was meeting.

No one would really suggest something so silly, right?

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Thu Dec 10, 2015, 02:05 AM

Scootaloo (25,699 posts)

31. Just 'cause you keep digging doesn't mean you're going to find gold.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Thu Dec 10, 2015, 03:38 AM

Betty Karlson (7,231 posts)

32. When is the right time to talk about poverty? Housing? Infrastructure?

Because the MSM are hell-bent (Hill-bent?) on ignoring those issues. That doesn't mean they aren't urgent.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Thu Dec 10, 2015, 09:55 AM

Hepburn (21,054 posts)

37. Fail. Unrec. n/t

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Thu Dec 10, 2015, 10:02 AM

KittyWampus (55,894 posts)

38. Baltimore would have been the worst place to give such a "speech".

Honestly, your OP comes across as intentionally inflammatory.

It makes no sense.

It's almost as if you don't really understand the situation or dynamics or politics and simply wanted to throw up inflammatory nonsense hoping it would pass as legit for a Clinton supporter.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #38)

Thu Dec 10, 2015, 10:28 AM

Hepburn (21,054 posts)

40. +1

My fav was that $250K/year income was middle class.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 04:00 PM

Freddie Stubbs (29,853 posts)

42. March 2

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