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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 03:38 AM

 

If you're reduced to complaining about a temp tribute in a logo...

You've already lost. You just don't realize it yet.

And by the way, why can we not mention this about Bernie given that it's objectively true? Please explain. TIA.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/bernie-sanders-1972-essay-rape-fantasy-surfaces-article-1.2240379

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Response to MaggieD (Original post)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 03:46 AM

1. Lost what?

 

Clinton supporters complained or agreed that the said logo was not cool as well.
It had nothing to do with Bernie.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 03:47 AM

2. The election....

 

And possibly several other things. LOL!

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 03:49 AM

4. Many posters who support Clinton found the said logo distasteful as well.

 

Apparently they "lost the election " too, according to you.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:06 AM

10. Who and why?

 

Links?

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #10)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:08 AM

13. You posted the OP, you must be familiar as well with the threads.

 

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #13)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:14 AM

16. Yes, but they make no sense

 

Does it make sense to you? Please explain.

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #16)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:15 AM

17. Not interested. Carry on.

 

Thread trashed.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #17)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:19 AM

20. So you can't explain it either

 

Thanks for letting me know. LOL!

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #20)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:57 AM

45. Plodding through that article, it's hard to imagine Bernie fantasizing

about rape. Sadly as it turns out, quite the contrary as obviously at that age he could bore readers to death even after tossing in an otherwise-gratuitous prurient element to grab their attention. He himself equally obviously had no interest in it, since he immediately moved on to the real issue.

I do not believe the rape sentence illuminates the character of the man today and feel honest people should not be trying to use it as a weapon. Sure, those for whom political discourse is all about attacking the "other side" make a habit of this behavior, but should others copy them just to needle them back?

IMO, this is a defining question about defining behaviors.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #45)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:54 AM

64. I think he demonstrates how clueless he is

 

.... about women's rights and issues. I don't believe people really change to that extent as they age. You don't accidentally spout off those kinds of beliefs. They come from within.

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #64)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 01:17 AM

213. Did you skip over the sentence in the article where it said that it was an attempt at dark satire?

Or was that conveniently left out so as to mis-characterize his position? I mean, I certainly hope you don't believe that Sanders believes that raping women is okay, do you?

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Response to Fantastic Anarchist (Reply #213)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 02:28 AM

250. It's not new, others have made that claim here before.

They're just recycling old memes because it's easier than discussing issues.

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #64)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 04:56 AM

273. He is clueless about women's right AND wants the ACA repealed

My GOD this Bernie Sanders is a monster.

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Response to davidpdx (Reply #273)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 10:33 AM

298. I want the ACA repealed, too.

And replaced with a single-payer system.



Bernie "The Monster" Sanders advocates this position as well. How barbaric!!!! And how can he hate women????? Women are good people!

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #45)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 09:45 AM

295. Have you seen the full essay that Sanders wrote? That was just an excerpt.

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Response to George II (Reply #295)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 10:32 AM

297. "Plodding through the article..." I meant the essay. :)

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Response to George II (Reply #295)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 10:34 AM

299. No, I must admit, I haven't ... but again, he claims it was satire, so ...?

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #17)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 09:43 AM

294. Not interested after four replies.

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #10)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 08:43 AM

54. I have to admit, I'm one who does disagree.

I do think the outrage about is is hyperbolic at the least, but I do agree with the few, more temperate Sanders supporters about this logo modification.

I absolutely believe that Hillary and her campaign meant no disrespect at all to such a great and iconic figure. I do fully believe that the intent was good, and absolutely no disrespect was meant. I absolutely do believe that the few that are trying to assert that the intent was to put Rosa Parks at the back of the bus are ridiculous, insulting, and outrageous, and shame on those posters for even thinking that way.

However, I do agree with them that this wasn't the right way to portray Rosa Parks. The intent may not have been meant to be disrespectful but I do feel it was. Putting out one of the photo's that Hillary has had with her would have been a better choice imo.

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Response to Amimnoch (Reply #54)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:42 AM

57. I agree with you

 

It was a dumb move, but nothing in the end.

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Response to Amimnoch (Reply #54)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 10:50 AM

302. The logo was used for a few hours on the day of the anniversary....

....which was already and done with days ago. I didn't see any civil rights activists (INCLUDING Sanders) complaining about it. John Lewis, who DID march with MLK, apparently didn't have a problem with it.

The only people who complained about it were right-wingers and Sanders followers. And the only people still whining about it are doing so probably because that's about all they can grasp onto at this point.

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Response to MaggieD (Original post)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 03:48 AM

3. Nobody wants to discuss his writing because it was just that terrible.

 

Better to say "Goldwater Girl", about a WOMAN who was not old enough to vote for AUH2O.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 03:57 AM

6. I know, right?

 

If the truth must be hidden it must be pretty damning. That's all I can think.

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 03:58 AM

7. I refuse to read such garbage.

 

No way! Ewww!

They hide it cause it made them say eww, too!

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Response to bravenak (Reply #7)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:04 AM

9. I found it truly disgusting

 

Could not finish it. But I think they hide it whenever it comes up because they want to pretend he doesn't really think like that.

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #9)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:18 AM

19. That was all him.

 

Writers write what is inside of them. I can write terrible things. If I wrote it, it would be in the horror category or true crime.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #19)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 01:21 AM

218. So, the "attempt at dark satire" part of the article escaped you?

And you'd rather believe everything else, no matter the basis in reality, and so out-of-character of Sanders? I mean, is it easier to fathom that Sanders believes in raping women, or that this was more than likely a poor attempt at dark satire? Which do you think is more in line with reality?

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Response to Fantastic Anarchist (Reply #218)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 07:56 PM

324. That's the classic disclaimer, "I wasn't serious", "I was only joking", "it was satire".....

.....but those WERE his words.

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Response to George II (Reply #324)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 01:10 AM

335. Again, the same question applies.

Something so out-of-character for Sanders, and you'd rather believe he advocates raping women?

Wow.

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Response to Fantastic Anarchist (Reply #335)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 02:57 AM

341. "he advocates raping women" That meme came from the Cave.

They decided now would be a good time to run with it again.

Recycling old smears, it's all they've got.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #341)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 06:37 AM

342. It's like they're seduced by irrational thinking ...

... from their, what I could only assume, is their hatred for the man. It boggles my mind.

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Response to Fantastic Anarchist (Reply #342)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 06:45 AM

343. Most of them are only feigning outrage.

I would say all of them but you never know who might take offense at a 40 year old essay on gender stereotypes.

It's just the latest swift boat attempt from people who don't want to discuss the real issues.

And the only reason they hate him is because he got in the way of Hillary's coronation.

Before that all of DU loved Bernie.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #343)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 09:31 AM

345. So sad, too. n/t

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Response to bravenak (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:55 AM

65. I think Bernie called it dumb or stupid


Seems like a good response to me.

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Response to MaggieD (Original post)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 03:52 AM

5. Yeah, I didn't get the whole brouhaha, either.



As for the article at the link, you do know that if Sanders wins the primary, the Republicans are going to use that first and foremost. And they will use it ad nauseam. It will be a guaranteed loss for Democrats and then we can say good-bye to SCOTUS for a generation.

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #5)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:02 AM

8. Yeah, I just told my wife about it

 

She was like, what??? Why??? No one really knows apparently.

And yes, the thing that cannot be mentioned here without being hidden will feature prominently in rethug attacks. And sadly, it would be legit. Other than John Edwards I cannot think of another Dem presidential candidate in my lifetime with such a terrible skeleton in the closet. It makes Gary Hart's monkey business look quaint.

Most women voters don't know anything about it and Hillary has been very nice not to make an issue of it, I suppose because she has no need. But I cannot imagine most women would vote for him once it is made more widely known.

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #8)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:16 AM

56. Do you find Sanders' 40 year old fiction more distasteful than...

...say, what HRC's husband actually did with a cigar and an intern?

Perhaps this has something to do with why "Hillary has been very nice not to make an issue of it."

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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #56)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:46 AM

60. Absolutely - yes

 

And Bill is not running.

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #60)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:53 AM

63. True, Bill is not running, but...

...HRC chose to stay married to such a man.

Of course these things aren't black and white. But if you're going to speculate on how the electorate will respond to "sexual skeletons," there are all kinds of possibilities.

Personally, I don't see any of these things as as serious obstacles.

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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #63)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:57 AM

67. I don't really care if they are "obstacles" for Bernie or not

 

It's a window into his mentality about women and it's not pretty.

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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #63)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 08:00 PM

326. Of course,

Sander's first wife and the girlfriend who had his son chose not to stay with "such a man."

Be careful where you step on this one.

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Response to okasha (Reply #326)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 02:09 AM

336. Did he cheat on them?

And was it their choice not to stay together, or his choice, or was it mutual?

I don't know the answers to these questions, but it sounds like you do...?

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Response to okasha (Reply #326)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 02:13 AM

337. Why was that?

Sander's first wife and the girlfriend who had his son chose not to stay with "such a man."


Was he a serial philanderer like Bill?

I don't give two shits about Clinton's affairs but if you want to drag Bernie through the same mud you'd better have more than idle gossip from the Cave to back it up.

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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #56)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 02:53 AM

251. And we probably shouldn't get into the story of what happened when HRC defended an alleged rapist

And laughed about it (and she took the case voluntarily, in order to curry favor with a judge - always looking to do what will benefit her politically). Google it. Lovely story.

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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #56)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 09:49 AM

296. Clinton's husband isn't running against Sanders.

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Response to George II (Reply #296)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 10:43 AM

301. But the person who chose to stay married to him is.

And I bet she even voted for him, despite knowledge of his sexual indiscretions. So maybe she is more open-minded than some of her supporters are, and recognizes something about babies and bathwater.

If you're going to rule out anyone who's ever had a "distasteful" sexual thought -- not even action, but merely thought -- that probably rules out virtually all males, and a good number of females as well, from ever being qualified to be president.

I mean seriously, regardless of what he wrote--keeping in mind his actual public policy actions--does anyone genuinely believe Sanders would govern in a way that is not supportive of and respectful toward women? Really?

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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #301)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 09:23 PM

334. Sanders remains married to a woman who received a golden parachute from

Burlington College even though he doesn't think there should be any golden parachutes. His wife chose to marry him after his rape article.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #334)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 02:16 AM

338. Not sure of your point, but...

to the first, I don't think her golden parachute rises to the level of potential marital issue that an affair with an intern does, depite perhaps their different philosophies about such things. To the second, similarly, I don't think that article (did you read it?) rises to that level either. Though again, I'm not criticizing HRC for staying with Bill. My main point is that I think this "rape article" is just not much of an issue, nor going to be an issue for much of the electorate even if it is more greatly brought to their attention.

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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #338)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 02:35 AM

339. I went back and reread your post #301

" But the person who chose to stay married to him is"

Perhaps we have a difference of opinion, you don't think the rape article is much of an issue, Bill and Hillary's marriage is not much of an issue to others outside of their marriage.

I did read the article, and I find it disturbing.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #339)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 02:45 AM

340. I agree, Bill and Hillary's marriage is their own concern

But I guess i found it ironic than Hillary can get past some arguably unsavory actions, while some of her supporters can't get by some arguably unsavory thoughts--not action, but thoughts--from 40 years ago in their consideration of BS, this even despite his strong support of women's issues throughout his career,

I think a good sum up of the BS article issue is here:
http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/05/29/410606045/the-bernie-sanders-rape-fantasy-essay-explained

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #5)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:14 AM

42. And if Hillary gets.....

...the nomination how many little steaming piles from her past will be used repeatedly. I would rather take a chance with Bearnie's past than Hillary's.

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Response to Delver Rootnose (Reply #42)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:43 AM

58. You're forgetting one fundamental truth...she's been vetted FOR 30 YEARS.

They haven't even begun to vet him.

Up to this point, it's been nothing but a media love-fest for him. They've taken a hands off approach with him and the only real vetting he's getting is here, on DU, and opposition research by Hillary Clinton supporters (just as Sanders supporters are vetting her here and on every left-leaning blog by Sanders supporters).

If you've been here long enough (since 2009 but a low post count tells me you don't really follow DU), you would've noticed how we criticize the way U.S. Media have ignored Republican hypocrisy, distortions, and outright lies. We complain that U.S. Media never takes Republicans to task no matter how outrageous they talk or act. Ultimately, we've come to the conclusion that U.S. Media favors Republicans over Democrats on any given day, any given time. And in 2012, the Pew Research Center's study vindicated us by showing that a sitting Democratic president running for reelection with high popularity among Democrats, Independents, and Liberals, gets the least favorable coverage in all U.S. media, and a sitting Republican governor from Texas got the most favorable from the get-go.

Can we agree that U.S. mass media are no friends to Democrats?

Okay. Ever since he announced his candidacy, aside from the kid-gloves the media are handling Sanders with, Republican strategists have called for Operation Chaos 2016, called for their people to donate to Sanders' campaign, and big Republican operatives have even been tweeting "feelthebern". Now you need to ask yourself why that is.

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #58)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:46 AM

59. Can we agree that U.S. mass media are no friends to Democrats?

Not in this case. They'd rather have a Republican, true, but if they can't get one, they'll take the DINO every time.

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #59)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 12:40 PM

69. If you really believe that, you haven't been paying attention.

And there's nothing more to say to you about this.

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #58)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:55 AM

66. I've been here a very long time....

..and I follow politics a lot. I have been following since the Carter/Reagan race.

I just don't post here a lot.

That said, the media isn't treating sanders with kid gloves, they are largely ignoring him in the hopes he goes away.

And what you call vetting is really they have been attacking Hillary and Bill for decades. You are correct in that. And while nothing has stuck leagally it has conditioned a generation to think negatively about the clintons. That is why she has high negatives. No other person on the democratic side will motivate republicans to come out and vote more than her and in a year where what remains of the moderate business republicans have little to look forward to.

It is my opinion that nominating Hillary will lead to high republican turnout and depressed democratic turnout. Which is not a good place to be as a candidate. There is a VERY strong anti establishment bent in the electorate, as shown by trump and Carson's popularity, and you really can't get more establishment than a Clinton. Even sanders years in the senate, and relative low name recognition, is nothing compared to Clinton.

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #58)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 10:39 AM

300. Thats really inappropriate and rude...

...to call out a fellow DUer for their "low post count" and then make assumptions like "you really don't follow DU."

And then you make further condescending and presumptuous comments about their failure to understand the "U.S. Media (sic)", etc.

It's ok to slug it out politically, but calling out people like that is wrong.

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Response to Delver Rootnose (Reply #42)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 01:08 AM

201. ....x10+

 

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #5)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:43 PM

78. I am so afraid now...not. nt

 

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #5)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 01:23 AM

222. And he can explain it like he already has, and state that it was a poor attempt at satire.

And while he's providing his defense, he can actually hold the Republicans record on women - which would be turning his supposed weakness into a strength.

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Response to MaggieD (Original post)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:06 AM

11. speaking of being reduced to complaining about things.


Oh, le irony.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #11)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:11 AM

14. I'm searching for an objective explaination of why....

 

It's okay for Bernie to pretend he's the second coming of MLK, but paying tribute to Rosa Parks is bad. Can you explain?

Also, want to weigh in on why this is hidden so routinely? It's true, and quite insulting to women. Why is it off topic for discussion?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/bernie-sanders-1972-essay-rape-fantasy-surfaces-article-1.2240379

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #14)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:15 AM

18. I didn't say the logo was bad. Maybe badly designed, sure.

As for the mimeographed page-long essay in the alternative weekly from 1972, to the contrary, it was discussed into the ground when it was first "unearthed", and I will gladly explain again - you yourself boasting that you haven't bothered to read the thing, but you want to make damn sure you reference what you claim it implies anyway - at least my interpretation of what it is about.

It is a poorly-crafted attempt at a contemporary (by 1972 standards) analysis of the state of gender and sexual roles and politics. Badly written and certainly outdated, but not all that different from similar analyses done by the likes of Andrea Dworkin and her ideological fellow travelers, in the same decade. It's not even close to the "gotcha" that you seem to think it is.

Now, if you bothered to actually, you know.. read it, you might get that.


Also, to add, your post wasn't hidden 7-0 because you referenced that old story. It was because of the absolutely ugly allegation you made, fallaciously based on the thing.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #18)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:29 AM

22. Oh I read most of it, until I was too disgusted to continue

 

And I was in my teens back when he wrote that. It wasn't any more acceptable then as it is now to pretend women fantasized about being raped. At least not to women. Let's not pretend it was okay back then. So much for your revisionist history.

As for the hide, what makes it fallacious and an "allegation" instead of a fact? Are you claiming he wrote something he didn't really believe, or that he evolved in his views on women? He's divorced and has an out of wedlock child. What do those two women think about him? Do you care? I do.

Men that think that kind of thing don't evolve. At least not in my experience. Why should women trust him?

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #22)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:39 AM

24. Again, you're misinterpreting the thing, I have to believe deliberately.

Because anyone who was around in the 70s likely remembers the rather stark and bleak interpretations of the state of gender politics popularized by some of the louder and more ideologically rigid voices of that decade.

He's' making a comment on an interpretation of society and socially prescribed roles, not suggesting that that situation is ideal or healthy.

Your logic - such as it is, here - is akin to suggesting that because he made Schindler's List, Speilberg is a Nazi.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #24)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:51 AM

25. No i'm not

 

You're making excuses for your hero. And you know it.

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #25)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:54 AM

26. That's not even an answer. That's phoning it in. I get it, context/nuance are, like, hard.

Shit like using 9-11 as an applause line to deflect from questions about donations from Wall St. and financial deregulation?

Easy-Peasy.

Phoooooooooning it in.

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #22)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:04 AM

28. If that grosses you out, don't google the candidate's name and "cervical cancer."

You'll be infuriated.

He doesn't have much sensitivity or understanding of women at a very basic level. His writings show that.

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #14)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:12 AM

47. You just broke the insanity meter with this one...

"It's okay for Bernie to pretend he's the second coming of MLK"

But that's OK. Others will come along and top that in 3...2...1...

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Response to MattSh (Reply #47)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 05:00 AM

274. No, Maggie has pretty well topped herself with her own comments lately

She also claims that Bernie Sanders has no clue about women's issues and that he wants the ACA repealed.

God damn he's such a monster!!

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Response to davidpdx (Reply #274)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 05:33 AM

276. I don't know who's more evil, Bernie or his supporters.

Some days it's like watch really bad street theater.


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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #276)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 06:07 AM

277. I know, can't they make up their minds?

Christ almighty!

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #278)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 06:15 AM

280. Two more for your list

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Response to davidpdx (Reply #280)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 06:17 AM

281. Wow, I'll try to work those in.

I'm going to need a bigger boat.



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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #276)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 06:15 AM

279. Andy Kaufman didn't die, oh no.

He multiplied!

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #11)


Response to Post removed (Reply #29)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:09 AM

30. that doesn't even deserve a response.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #30)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 08:28 AM

51. Deserves a hide

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Response to Capt. Obvious (Reply #51)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 09:43 PM

118. Why? Even Bernie's spox said his essay "looks as stupid today as it was then."

Why can't we talk about it or discuss why it was so stupid? These are Bernie's OWN WORDS written when he was in his 30s. Bernie supporters love to talk about Hillary being a "Goldwater Girl" when she was a teenager. Why can't we talk about what Bernie did in his 30s?

It's not like it was dug up by some right winger and copied on DU like so many anti-Hillary posts here. Bernie's "Man - and Woman" essay was dug up and displayed by Mother Jones magazine:

http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2015/05/young-bernie-sanders-liberty-union-vermont

Again, why the censership?

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #118)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 04:06 AM

268. like Skinner sez, "you take your chances".

Gee, whiz, I have no idea why a jury decided to hide that post.

It's not for calling the essay stupid and badly written, though, after all many people including myself do that in this thread.

And it's not, er, censorship of the essay itself... again, despite claims that "no one will talk about it", again, many people discuss the context of the thing and why the egregious attempts at misrepresenting what it supposedly implies about Sen. Sanders' character are so wildly off-base. And it was discussed endlessly when the mojo article first came out.

So, again, why was that post hidden?

Hmmm, verily, 'tis a mystery.


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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #118)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 04:32 AM

270. It was "censored" for accusing a DUer of condoning rape.

This essay has been discussed to death here, no one had their posts hidden for posting facts, but when you smear Senator Sanders by claiming he thinks women enjoy being raped or accuse another member of condoning it that deserves more than a hide, imo.

And the post you're claiming was unfairly hidden wasn't even about Bernie, it was about ANOTHER member.

The jury got it right.

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Response to MaggieD (Original post)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:07 AM

12. You're a hoot.

 

Ever noticed that you talk waaay more about Sanders than you do clinton?

is it looooooooooove?

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #12)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:12 AM

15. Just following the Bernie supporter trend here

 

You all spend 24/7 smearing Clinton. Don't like it when the tables are turned? Why is that?

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #15)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:19 AM

21. I think it's silly that you keep doing what you insist you have a problem with

 

Like here... you're complaining about people complaining, while also complaining about something else.

And the irony is how much outrage you have expressed towards people simply citing Martin Luther King, Jr., much less commandeering him and stapling him to an official campaign logo.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #21)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:30 AM

23. Hey, I will quit the moment the Hillary smear brigade does

 

No problem.

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #23)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:18 AM

35. No, by all means, continue.

 

Have you ever heard of "pharaoh's serpent"? It's a chemistry stunt of a sort, where mercury thiocyanate is ignited.



The result is a slow-burning self-destruct that produces copious amounts of very toxic ash that looks like shit and falls apart under the lightest touch.

No particular reason for bringing it up, I just think chemistry is cool.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #35)


Response to Name removed (Reply #75)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:04 PM

76. I do

 

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #15)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 01:12 AM

207. So, no original thoughts from you then?

 

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Response to MaggieD (Original post)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:56 AM

27. What do you think of someone who would say this to BLM activists.

“Respectfully, if that is your position, then I will talk only to white people about how we are going to deal with the very real problems,”

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Response to MaggieD (Original post)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:10 AM

31. Cool. White lady thinks it's okay. Got it.

Maybe you should complain to the black people that didn't care for it. I'm sure they will all agree that you are in a much better position to make that decision than they are.

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Response to MaggieD (Original post)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:11 AM

32. Oh please, I don't know any intelligent adult woman who is upset by that essay.

This sudden outrage is fake and the drama is laughable

Even if the act was more convincing it's much too late to be believable, we heard all about this months ago and we're still rolling our eyes.



Oh and your post was hidden because of this:

Enjoy your fantasies.

Speaking of fantasies, Bernie thinks women enjoy being raped. I simply cannot understand how a real liberal would vote for a pro gunner that thinks women enjoy being raped. Can you explain that to me? I just can't wrap my head around that. Especially when I think about how many women have been raped at the point of a knife or gun.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=868622



So you can quit pretending Duers are trying to censor this non-story about an essay on gender stereotypes.

They just don't like it when people lie about Dem candidates.

See, real liberals are like that, 40-year old essays don't bother them but lying does.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #32)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:20 AM

36. "There's gotta be a pony under here somewhere!"

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #36)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:32 AM

37. QUIT MANSPLAINING, I'M TRYING TO FAINT OVER HERE!

Where's my couch, somebody fetch the smelling salts!



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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #37)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:13 AM

41. And the pearls! What the hell happened to my pearls?

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Response to Divernan (Reply #41)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:17 AM

43. Right?



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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #32)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 01:13 AM

208. ...+1

 

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Response to 840high (Reply #208)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 01:15 AM

211. Another recycled meme, what a shock, eh?

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Response to Post removed (Reply #33)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:46 AM

38. Intelligent adults understand it was an essay about gender stereotypes.

The only people who think Bernie has sick sexual fantasies are projecting, imo.

And the only ones I've seen getting the vapours over the essay are uptight right wing conservative types who are too stupid to understand it.

Like the ones at youngcons.

But then reading comprehension was never their strong suit.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #38)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:56 AM

39. I'm starting to think some people only understand information in sound-bite sized chunks.

"Wall St."? "9-11"?

Sure, seems legit!

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #39)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:00 AM

40. Must be all those years reading the tabloids and watching the boob tube.

Makes some folks absolutely incapable of critical thought.

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Response to MaggieD (Original post)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:30 AM

44. if you cant see that hillary would do ot say anything at anytime to anyone

 

to get the power she believes she is entitled to then you already lost........the woman is morally and ethically unfit to be president.

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Response to MaggieD (Original post)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:09 AM

46. It has been made clear to me....

 

Even by Clinton supporters, Sanders fantasies can't be discussed here. I have no clue why considering we know his fantasies will be used.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #46)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:50 AM

62. I've seen posts that are nothing more than Bernie quotes hidden

 

Apparently it is not permitted if it presents Bernie in a bad light.

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #62)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 03:16 AM

256. How concerning!

I'm starting to feel upset too!

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Response to MaggieD (Original post)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:24 AM

48. A disjointed and unfocused Flame bait OP.

 

I've seen you do better, but I guess you're losing steam. It's tough to stir shit day in day out and present coherent thoughts.

The article had been discussed here as nauseum. Posting about the article does not get a hide.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #48)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:28 AM

49. But now it's a CONSPIRASEE!!! Don't you understand? DU won't let anyone talk about it!

Even though the articles have been posted here countless times, Maggie had a post hidden for saying Bernie thinks women enjoy being raped so suddenly that means Hillary supporters are being SILENCED for daring to speak the truthiness!

Such brave and noble martyrs, sacrificing themselves for the cause, just breaks my heart.


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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #49)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 08:31 AM

52. The fact that HRC supporters are on time out

at a much higher rate than Bernie supporters is proof that they are being silenced by the 85%.

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Response to Capt. Obvious (Reply #52)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 08:35 AM

53. It's only a matter of time before they get you too, Capt. Obvious.


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Response to Capt. Obvious (Reply #52)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:41 PM

72. It's proof that *some* Clinton supporters can't post within the TOS.

 

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Response to Capt. Obvious (Reply #52)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:45 PM

81. This again

 

Maybe they should post better posts?

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Response to Capt. Obvious (Reply #52)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 03:22 AM

257. Is that a problem?

Maybe HRC supporters should lay off the personal attacks? Or not.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #48)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 08:12 AM

50. Hello.

morningfog, you are one of the bravest posters on this board. Huge

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Response to morningfog (Reply #48)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 12:07 PM

68. Uh huh

 

In Bernie land a tribute in a logo is a big deal, but Bernie's ridiculous views on women is no big deal. Just don't mention, please. LOL!

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #68)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:33 PM

70. Mention the article all you want, it won't get a hide.

 

It is your disruptiveness that earns you each and every hide.

Your OP still lacks focus. The two feeble points are unrelated.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #70)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:39 PM

71. I don't think the facts bear out your claims

 

And I really don't care if you insult me as a means to ignore the issue. It's perfectly obvious that is what you are doing.

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #71)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:42 PM

73. The fact is that the article you referenced has been discussed in hundreds of posts without hides.

 

That's a tough fact for your paranoid OP.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #73)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 02:07 PM

74. Oh get real

 

Every non-Bernie supporter here knows damn well they have to tip toe around evidence like this or they will be hidden. Just like I was because I REFUSE to tip toe around disgusting stuff like this.

Meanwhile Hillary is called a whore and a shill daily with ZERO evidence and it is allowed to stand. If you are trying to convince me or any other non-Bernie supporter here that the jury system is not FOS you are wasting your time.

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #74)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:43 PM

77. You are not a victim on this board.

 

Yours was not hidden for posting the content of the article or a link to it. It was hidden for violating the TOS.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #82)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:49 PM

85. A disruptor? Let me translate that for you

 

What you really mean is I don't act like a puppy dog while you all smear good Dems 24/7. And you know what? Too bad if you don't like that I don't.

I think you all forgot that this is DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND.

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #85)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:51 PM

86. That was a piss poor translation.

 

Want to see someone who smears Democrats and lefties day in and day out? Look at you "My Posts" tabs. Just one flame bait fly paper post after another. You get hides and vacations because you are rude and insulting. It has nothing to do with your claimed "support" of Hillary. Nothing.

So, buck up and drop the faux victim act.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #86)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:55 PM

88. Are we still pretending Bernie is a Democrat?

 

I thought we settled that one. He isn't.

I have never had a hide for insulting ANYONE here. My hides come from telling the truth about Bernie. And you know it. Just like the hide last night, for TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT BERNIE.

That, apparently, is not allowed here because the jury system has been taken over in a coup.

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #88)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:59 PM

91. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAA That is the funniest fucking thing I've read all week!!!

 

You have a long history of hidden posts for personal attacks. That is too fucking funny.

Oh my GOD< I'm dying. TOO MUCH!!!LOLOLOLOLO

JURY COUP!!!! LOLOLOOLOOOL

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Oh, my side is hurting from the laughter.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #91)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:00 PM

92. Keep laughing

 

You're making a fool of yourself with your attempts to personally insult and bully a person who is immune to your attempts. Sadly, you can't seem to grasp that, but it matters not to me.

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #92)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:06 PM

94. Bully!

 

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Response to morningfog (Reply #94)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:50 PM

160. In case you were curious

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #74)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:44 PM

79. Your post was hidden because you said Bernie "thinks women enjoy being raped".

Enjoy your fantasies.

Speaking of fantasies, Bernie thinks women enjoy being raped. I simply cannot understand how a real liberal would vote for a pro gunner that thinks women enjoy being raped. Can you explain that to me? I just can't wrap my head around that. Especially when I think about how many women have been raped at the point of a knife or gun.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=868622


So claiming that the jurors (who ALL voted to hide your disgusting post) are in on some huge conspiracy is not only paranoid it's obviously false.

And please link to where Hillary is called a "whore" daily or are you just making that up too?

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #79)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:46 PM

83. Did you read the essay?

 

That is exactly what he says. You have a problem with the truth being posted, apparently.

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #83)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:48 PM

84. Yes I read it and thats a lie. Link to Hillary being called a "whore" daily?

Or is that a lie too?

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #84)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:52 PM

87. Here's a nice quote from it

 

"A woman enjoys intercourse with her man, and she fantasizes about being raped by three men simultaneously."

And it just gets worse from there. Now what part am I lying about? Please be specific.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/05/young-bernie-sanders-liberty-union-vermont

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #87)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:57 PM

89. Link to Hillary being called a"whore" daily? Do you want everyone to think you're lying?

And if you have trouble with reading comprehension I can't help you, perhaps youngcons is a better website for you, they had extreme difficulty understanding that the essay was about gender stereotypes too.

Small minded uptight Republicans thought it was quite the scandal as well, liberals are usually more intelligent.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #89)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 03:46 AM

263. Jury Results

On Fri Dec 4, 2015, 02:26 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Link to Hillary being called a"whore" daily? Do you want everyone to think you're lying?
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use of the word w****

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Explanation: Ridiculous alert.
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Explanation: Post is part of a heated conversation. I don't see any personal insults.
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Explanation: use of the word is in form of a quotation - quoting someone else's phrase and use of the word.


I am sure you know how I voted.

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Response to Live and Learn (Reply #263)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 03:50 AM

265. "use of the word w**** "? Seriously? That's the 4th failed alert on my posts tonight.

- that I know of.

I think the Cave is getting desperate.

There's alert stalking going on, alright, it's just all coming from that place.

Thanks!


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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #265)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 03:51 AM

266. Yep. I'd take that as a sign that you are doing something right. lol

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Response to Live and Learn (Reply #266)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 03:54 AM

267. No doubt!

Everyone knows if the bigots and assholes at the conservative/other cave hate ya, you're doing something right!

It's a badge of honour!



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Response to MaggieD (Reply #87)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:59 PM

90. Do you really not understand the difference between consensual sex/fantasies and rape?

My god no wonder you're shocked.


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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #90)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:02 PM

93. My hidden post had nothing to do with that

 

Bernie thinks women fantasize about being raped. That's what I said, and the essay proves it. Do you admire him for that view? I sure don't. And I sure as hell don't want someone who is so clueless to be president.

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #93)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:07 PM

95. No that's NOT what you said, here is your post again:

Enjoy your fantasies.

Speaking of fantasies, Bernie thinks women enjoy being raped. I simply cannot understand how a real liberal would vote for a pro gunner that thinks women enjoy being raped. Can you explain that to me? I just can't wrap my head around that. Especially when I think about how many women have been raped at the point of a knife or gun.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=868622


First you claimed Bernie "thinks women enjoy being raped".

Now you're saying "Bernie thinks women fantasize about being raped".

You can't weasel your way out of this one, Maggie.

Either you don't understand the difference between consensual sex/fantasies and rape or you were lying about Bernie in that post.

Which is it?



Oh and keep pretending to be outraged and/or fantacizing about being persecuted, this is hillaryous.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #95)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:29 PM

96. The plain meaning is clear - crystal clear

 

"A woman enjoys intercourse with her man, and she fantasizes about being raped by three men simultaneously."

Do you really think most women fantasize about being raped? Do you approve of a man making that claim? You don't want to address what he said, apparently.

Believe me, that Neanderthal essay WILL come up in the election, and the majority of women will see it just as myself and lots of others do. You cannot hide it or wish it away in this campaign. And your attempts to do so are foolish.

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #96)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:32 PM

97. Which one of your posts was a lie?

The one where you claimed he said women fantasize about being raped or the one where you claimed he "thinks women enjoy being raped"?

And congrats, you're just as despicable as the Republicans who already tried to call Bernie a misogynist and turn this into a scandal.

There's a difference between acknowledging the other side will use sleazy smear tactics against our candidates and doing the work for them on DU.

Stay classy, Maggie.



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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #97)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:37 PM

98. "A woman enjoys intercourse with her man, and she fantasizes about being raped

 

by three men simultaneously"

Let's break it down "enjoys".... "fantasizes about being raped"

And that is EXACTLY what I said he said.

Are you saying he wrote that, but doesn't think it? How do you come to that conclusion? It's a fucking essay, not a short story. He believes that. Or he has "evolved." Which?

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #98)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:39 PM

99. So you lied when you said Bernie "thinks women enjoy being raped"?

Either that or you don't understand the difference between consensual sex/fantasies and rape.

Which is it?

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #99)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:43 PM

100. He does think that - plain as day

 

He wrote it.

Are you calling me a liar?

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #100)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:44 PM

101. So you don't understand the difference between consensual sex/fantasies and rape?

Or you lied in your hidden post, it's your choice, pick one.

Either way Bernie's not the one who ended up looking clueless or vile in this thread.


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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #101)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:55 PM

102. Rape is NOT consensual and a MAN pretending

 

.... he knows what WOMEN fantasize about and PUBLISHING it is disgusting. It is an insult to every woman. There is nothing CONSENSUAL about what he did.

Now enough pretending and twisting yourself in a pretzel knot to excuse it. I'm done with you.

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #102)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:59 PM

103. Pick one, either you lied about the essay or you don't know the difference.

The only one twisting themselves into a pretzel is you, I'm just quoting your own words back to you and asking for clarification.

I love the capital letters, very dramatic! And completely convincing.


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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #103)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:16 PM

104. RAPE is not CONSENSUAL

 

rapes; raped; raping


: to force (someone) to have sex with you by using violence or the threat of violence

NOT CONSENSUAL. Got it yet?

So do you really not know what the definition of rape is? Hope I was able to help.

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #104)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:33 PM

105. Very good, now why did you confuse rape and fantasy when you posted this?:

Enjoy your fantasies.

Speaking of fantasies, Bernie thinks women enjoy being raped. I simply cannot understand how a real liberal would vote for a pro gunner that thinks women enjoy being raped. Can you explain that to me? I just can't wrap my head around that. Especially when I think about how many women have been raped at the point of a knife or gun.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=868622


First you claimed Bernie "thinks women enjoy being raped".

Then you said "Bernie thinks women fantasize about being raped".

Since you appear to understand the difference between consensual sex/fantasies and rape doesn't that mean you lied about his essay in your hidden post?

Or did you just figure it out?

Which is it?



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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #105)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 08:14 PM

106. Why do you keep pretending rape is consensual?

 

Please explain.

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #106)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 08:17 PM

107. Why are you lying about my posts? And why did you say "Bernie thinks women enjoy being raped"?

Please explain why it looks like you lied about his essay in your hidden post before moving on to lie about my posts.

Thanks!

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #105)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 10:42 PM

121. Women don't "enjoy" fantasizing about rape. Bernie's essay suggests they do. That is OFFENSIVE.

Women fantasize about sex with men they want to have sex with. Some women may fantasize about men they find sexually attractive and who they WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH taking a dominant role in sex play. BUT that is NOT fantasizing about "rape."

RAPE IS RAPE. It is not pleasurable. It is not consensual. The victim does not want to have sex with that person, nor does she "fantasize" about having sex with that person. It has nothing to do with sex. It is a violent, often deadly, horrible attack and humiliation of its victim. No sane person fantasizes about being such a victim.

Bernie's "Man - and Woman" essay suggests that women routinely fantasize about being raped ("A women enjoys sex with her man - as she fantasizes about being raped by 3 men simultaneously.". http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/05/young-bernie-sanders-liberty-union-vermont That is offensive. Worse, it glamorizes rape. As Bernie's spokesman said, that essay "looks as stupid today as it was then." Calling Bernie's essay "stupid" is putting it mildly.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #121)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 10:51 PM

123. Are you really that naive? Women do fantacize about it, and they write about it too.

Read some erotica, it'll blow your mind.


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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #123)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:02 PM

124. OMG. I can't believe I am having this conversation on a progessive board...with an adult.

Here, let me try to make it simple for you. Women's erotica involves acts women WANT. Rape involves acts women DON'T WANT.


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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #124)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:07 PM

126. ZOMG! I can't believe you haven't read erotica before.

I won't go into the stories here but give it a google.

It's quite common, I assure you. No need to freak out about other peoples' fantasies - they're quite healthy.

Unless you think women who like 50 Shades of Grey and fantasy fiction are sick and not "adult" enough for you.


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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #126)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:13 PM

129. Those fantasies involve men those women WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH.

Rape is NOT consensual. It is NOT what women want or fantasize about.

Wow. Just wow.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #129)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:20 PM

136. Well, duh. Who do you think Bernie was writing about?

The women who have those fantasies aren't victims, stop trying to pretend otherwise.

Like I said, thousands of intelligent adult women read that essay and aren't having the vapours over it.


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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #136)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:42 PM

151. Women who have fantasies are not victims. I am not "pretending."

I am saying that suggesting women fantasize about being victims of rape is offensive. What you call "rape fantasies" are not fantasies about rape. They are fantasies about being dominated by a person the woman WANTS TO HAVE SEX WITH. Being dominated by a person you want to have sex with is not rape. Hence it is not a rape fantasy.

Just because a woman does not agree with you does not mean she is not an "intelligent adult" or that she is "having the vapors." You are making a really sexist, stupid argument.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #151)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 12:39 AM

196. I'm not suggesting it, I'm stating it as a fact, women do fantasize about it.

You don't get to define what other women do and don't think about and you sure as hell don't get to judge them.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #196)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 01:09 AM

202. It is not a fact. You don't get to define rape. nt

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #202)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 01:11 AM

206. You're trying to tell me that you know what other women fantasize about?

Please get over yourself, do some homework, get an education.

Stop judging other women.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #206)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 01:19 AM

215. Women do not fantasize about actual rape.

I am quite educated, I assure you.

I am not judging women. I am defending women from the horrifically wrong and dangerous assertion that women fantasize about actual rape. Words matter.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #215)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 01:22 AM

221. You have no idea what other women fantasize about.

How about this, prove your claim.

I want evidence that women don't fantasize about rape.

Go get some and present it.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #221)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 01:27 AM

229. Rape is not about sex. Rape is an assault.

You do not appear to understand what rape is.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #229)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 01:28 AM

230. Since I was attacked I'm well aware of what rape is. But thanks.

And you don't get to decide what women do and don't fantasize about.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #230)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 01:34 AM

236. Do you think women fantasize about being attacked, against their will...

...by men they do not find attractive or want to have sex with?

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #236)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 01:37 AM

239. How do you know what women do and don't fantasize about?

Women have rape fantasies, it's a fact.

The details of the fantasies are irrelevant, you're not in their heads, get over it and move on.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #239)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 01:40 AM

241. I figured you wouldn't answer my question.

You've wasted enough of my time. Good night.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #241)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 01:46 AM

244. First you claimed that women don't fantasize about rape.

Then you found out that was wrong.

So you tried to redefine what rape is and is not in other women's fantasies.

And that was a fail.

Then you implied I didn't know what rape was.

And found out I've been attacked.

So then you went back to trying to tell me what other women do and don't fantasize about.

And I asked you to prove it.

Now you decide to leave.

In short, you've got nothing so you're running away, quelle surprise!


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Response to LostOne4Ever (Reply #272)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 05:31 AM

275. Well there you go, thank you.

I guess all of those women are "sick" according to the posters in this thread.

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Response to LostOne4Ever (Reply #272)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 09:03 AM

285. it is more the bodice ripper thing

and the explanation is that women are conditioned to avoid admitting they really want sex,so they fantasize they were forced, so "it's not my fault."

Funny the writer of both articles is a man.

it's not a good subject for a man to get into, and Bernie would have been unwise to do so. His only excuse would be it was back in the 70s when there was considerably less awareness.

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Response to treestar (Reply #285)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 04:19 PM

308. They definitely need more articles on this from other women

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]But the results are still derived from women themselves so should be paid attention to even if the messenger is a man.

That said, one of the articles specifically says that fault avoidance is the reason given the least.[/font]

Which Explanation Is Most Compelling?

Contrary to the conventional wisdom that rape fantasies are based on blame avoidance (I was coerced. It wasn’t my fault.), the researchers found this the least supported explanation. The most sexually anxious, guilty, and repressed women had the fewest rape fantasies.

The data provided the most support for sexual openness (I’m free to fantasize anything.) followed by sexual desirability (I’m so hot. I drive men crazy.)

The most sexually open and self-accepting women had the most rape fantasies. They also had the most fantasies of consensual sex. And they reported the most arousal from their erotic fantasies.


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Response to LostOne4Ever (Reply #308)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 04:53 PM

310. Kind of goes against the idea we often say

that rape has nothing to do with sex. Creates cognitive cloudiness there. Nobody fantasizes about being assaulted otherwise.

Who was judging which women were the most "open and self-accepting?" Also I would question whether there is some attempt at gaining approval of being "open." Nowadays there are women who would not want to be described as "uptight."

If it happens it is still probably bodice ripper stuff at the concept "I am so attractive, men lose control." If these fantasies were described, it is unlikely they are of actually being assaulted.

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Response to LostOne4Ever (Reply #272)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 12:55 PM

305. No, "bodice rpper" fantasies are not rape fantasies.

Mr. Castleman is talking about scenarios where the woman chooses who "ravishes" her, and he is invariably someone she wants to "force" himself on her. That is not rape. The woman created that whole scenario in her mind. She chose the man. She chose the acts. That makes it consensual.

That is not Psychology Today using the unfortunate terminology "rape fantasy." That it is Mr. Michael Castleman, M.A.

To suggest that women fantasize about actual rape is wrong and glamorizes rape.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #305)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 03:59 PM

307. It cites specifically and solely mentioning rape to women. Read both articles in full

Last edited Fri Dec 4, 2015, 04:42 PM - Edit history (1)

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]Neither one of them is very long. Quoting from the articles:[/font]

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/all-about-sex/201508/why-do-women-have-rape-fantasies

Researchers at Notre Dame and the University of North Texas gave standard psychological tests to 355 women undergraduates, who formed a reasonable demographic cross-section of young Americans. Then the researchers surveyed the women’s sexual fantasies. And finally the women were asked if they’d ever fantasized:

1. Being forced by a man to surrender sexually against my will.

2. Being forced by a woman to surrender sexually against my will.

3. Being forced into a sex against my will because I was incapacitated by drugs, alcohol, or being unconscious.

4. Being forced by a man to give him oral sex.

5. Being forced by a woman to give her oral sex.

6. Being forced to have anal sex.

7. Being raped by a man.

8. Being raped by a woman.


Note: The researchers did not define “forced” or “rape,” leaving participants to use their own understanding of these terms, “forced” having somewhat less negative connotations than “rape.”


The Results

Confirming earlier studies on the prevalence of rape fantasies, 62 percent of participants admitted fantasizing at least one of the eight scenarios:

Forced by a man: 52%.

Raped by a man: 32%.

Forced oral by a man: 28%.

Forced while incapacitated: 24%.

Forced by a woman: 17%.

Forced anal: 16%.

Raped by a woman: 9%.

Forced oral by a woman: 9%.

Note: The participants were considerably more likely to fantasize being “forced” than “raped,” presumably because “rape” carries more connotations of violence and harm.

The high prevalence of rape fantasies—almost two-thirds of the women—suggest that they play a significant role in the fantasy lives of college-age women ... and presumably many older women as well.

Meanwhile, in line with other assessments, 15 percent of study participants reported being survivors of sexual assault. The researchers found no relationship, either direct or inverse, between real-life rape and whether participants had any type of rape fantasy.


Decades ago, psychologists believed that dreams and fantasies (daydreams) were subconscious wishes, therefore, women who had rape fantasies actually wanted to be coerced into sex. That view has been thoroughly debunked. Fantasies don’t necessarily reflect wishes. Among those in long-term relationships, one of the most common fantasies is sex with someone else, even when the daydreamer is happy in the relationship and has no real desire to jump into another bed. Plenty of men fantasize saving damsels in distress without the slightest real wish to face a raging fire on the 23rd floor. Wishing plays a role in some fantasies, notably dreams of striking it rich or losing weight, but having an erotic fantasy in no way means you want it to come true.


https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/all-about-sex/201001/womens-rape-fantasies-how-common-what-do-they-mean

Sixty-two percent said they'd had at least one such fantasy. But responses varied depending on the terminology used. When asked about being "overpowered by a man," 52 percent said they'd had that fantasy, the situation most typically depicted in women's romance fiction. But when the term was "rape," only 32 percent said they'd had the fantasy. These findings are in the same ballpark as previous reports.


Rape fantasies can be either erotic or aversive. In erotic fantasies, the woman thinks: "I'm being forced and I enjoy it." In aversive fantasies, she thinks: "I'm being forced and I hate it." Forty-five-percent of the women in the recent survey had fantasies that were entirely erotic. Nine percent were entirely aversive. And 46 percent were mixed.


[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]Further, rape is not about want, but consent. If a woman wants to have sex but chooses not to for any reason and says "no" or "stop" and the man doesn't...it is still rape.

No means no. Forced sex is always rape because there is no consent.

Nor does it glamorizes anything. Fantasizing about something doesn't mean you want it.

I come from the asexual community and there are many asexuals who fear they may not be asexual because they fantasize about sex. I have to tell them all the time that dreams and fantasies are just that dreams and fantasies. In fact, I have to point out tthat there is a specific term for them, just to show them that they are still asexuals.

As you can see from the quotes above just because one fantasizes about something doesn't mean they want that in real life, the articles specifically mention that.[/font]

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #305)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 04:22 PM

309. Again, please read the articles in full

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]The specifically mention rape, and solely rape, as well as categorizing them as aversive fantasies.

Quoting:[/font]


https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/all-about-sex/201508/why-do-women-have-rape-fantasies

Researchers at Notre Dame and the University of North Texas gave standard psychological tests to 355 women undergraduates, who formed a reasonable demographic cross-section of young Americans. Then the researchers surveyed the women’s sexual fantasies. And finally the women were asked if they’d ever fantasized:

1. Being forced by a man to surrender sexually against my will.

2. Being forced by a woman to surrender sexually against my will.

3. Being forced into a sex against my will because I was incapacitated by drugs, alcohol, or being unconscious.

4. Being forced by a man to give him oral sex.

5. Being forced by a woman to give her oral sex.

6. Being forced to have anal sex.

7. Being raped by a man.

8. Being raped by a woman.


Note: The researchers did not define “forced” or “rape,” leaving participants to use their own understanding of these terms, “forced” having somewhat less negative connotations than “rape.”


The Results

Confirming earlier studies on the prevalence of rape fantasies, 62 percent of participants admitted fantasizing at least one of the eight scenarios:

Forced by a man: 52%.

Raped by a man: 32%.

Forced oral by a man: 28%.

Forced while incapacitated: 24%.

Forced by a woman: 17%.

Forced anal: 16%.

Raped by a woman: 9%.

Forced oral by a woman: 9%.

Note: The participants were considerably more likely to fantasize being “forced” than “raped,” presumably because “rape” carries more connotations of violence and harm.

The high prevalence of rape fantasies—almost two-thirds of the women—suggest that they play a significant role in the fantasy lives of college-age women ... and presumably many older women as well.

Meanwhile, in line with other assessments, 15 percent of study participants reported being survivors of sexual assault. The researchers found no relationship, either direct or inverse, between real-life rape and whether participants had any type of rape fantasy.


Decades ago, psychologists believed that dreams and fantasies (daydreams) were subconscious wishes, therefore, women who had rape fantasies actually wanted to be coerced into sex. That view has been thoroughly debunked. Fantasies don’t necessarily reflect wishes. Among those in long-term relationships, one of the most common fantasies is sex with someone else, even when the daydreamer is happy in the relationship and has no real desire to jump into another bed. Plenty of men fantasize saving damsels in distress without the slightest real wish to face a raging fire on the 23rd floor. Wishing plays a role in some fantasies, notably dreams of striking it rich or losing weight, but having an erotic fantasy in no way means you want it to come true.


https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/all-about-sex/201001/womens-rape-fantasies-how-common-what-do-they-mean

Sixty-two percent said they'd had at least one such fantasy. But responses varied depending on the terminology used. When asked about being "overpowered by a man," 52 percent said they'd had that fantasy, the situation most typically depicted in women's romance fiction. But when the term was "rape," only 32 percent said they'd had the fantasy. These findings are in the same ballpark as previous reports.


Rape fantasies can be either erotic or aversive. In erotic fantasies, the woman thinks: "I'm being forced and I enjoy it." In aversive fantasies, she thinks: "I'm being forced and I hate it." Forty-five-percent of the women in the recent survey had fantasies that were entirely erotic. Nine percent were entirely aversive. And 46 percent were mixed.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #202)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 01:15 AM

210. Except, it is a fact...

 

Educate yourself before flapping your gums.

Studies have found rape fantasy is a common sexual fantasy among both men and women. The fantasy may involve the fantasist as either the one being forced into sex or as the perpetrator. Some studies have found that women tend to fantasize about being forced or coerced into sexual activity more commonly than men[citation needed]. A 1974 study by Hariton and Singer[1] found that being "overpowered or forced to surrender" was the second most frequent fantasy in their survey; a 1984 study by Knafo and Jaffe ranked being overpowered as their study's most common fantasy during intercourse. In 1985, Louis H. Janda who is an associate professor of psychology at Old Dominion University[2] said that the sexual fantasy of being raped is the most common sexual fantasy for women.[3] A 1988 study by Pelletier and Herold found that over half of their female respondents had fantasies of forced sex.[4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_fantasy

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Response to opiate69 (Reply #210)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 01:24 AM

224. But the "forced sex" or domination is by a man they want to have sex with.

It is not a fantasy about actual rape. Rape is not about sex.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #224)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 01:26 AM

227. I'm active in the BDSM community...

 

I could introduce you to no less than a dozen women who can attest that you have no fucking idea what you are talking about with merely one phone call. Of course, this is such a sensitive subject, any more detail would leave me open to hides.

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Response to opiate69 (Reply #227)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 01:27 AM

228. I was just going to warn you that they will alert on your posts.

There were at least three failed attempts on mine tonight.


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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #228)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 01:37 AM

238. Ah yeah.. I'm at zero as it stands though, so...

 



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Response to opiate69 (Reply #238)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 01:40 AM

242. Awesome.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #242)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 02:11 AM

245. Lil' old me?

 

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Response to opiate69 (Reply #245)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 02:13 AM

246. Yep, thanks for showing the thought police they're out of their league!



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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #246)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 02:21 AM

247. People just don't seem to be able to think outside their little middle-America box..

 

I mean, when we go to the house of horror on Halloween, we obviously know there aren't real zombies/monsters/murderers or ghosts there, but we still get the bejeebus scared out of us by the actors playing them... even the mildest "consentual non-consent" play triggers the same psychological phenomenon.

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Response to opiate69 (Reply #247)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 02:26 AM

249. We used to be able to talk about stuff like this on DU.

But now they alert on anyone who dares discuss anything even slightly risque.

In this case it wasn't even about rape, it was about fantasy, and trying to tell women what is acceptable and what is "sick" in their own minds is like...well it's like being Catholic and being taught to feel guilty for just being human.

I still can't tell if they're serious or if this is just another poutrage incident designed to make Bernie and his supporters look like misogynists.

Because that would be something new.



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Response to opiate69 (Reply #227)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 01:30 AM

232. Women who are voluntarily involved in the BDSM community are engaged in consensual acts.

Consensual acts are not rape.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #232)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 01:36 AM

237. Again.. you are profoundly, laughably ignorant.

 

go make a free account at fetlife and search for rape/abduction scenes.

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Response to opiate69 (Reply #237)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 01:38 AM

240. If you claim those "abductions" are not in fact consensual, then you are describing a crime. nt

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #240)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 01:45 AM

243. Newsflash...

 

Much of what people regularly engage in consentually in dungeons and play spaces are still considered criminal acts. The legal system has a de facto assumption of non-consent for a wide range of play.

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Response to opiate69 (Reply #227)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 05:06 PM

311. Do they fantasize about getting shot at?

Or getting stabbed? Rape is an assault. Who fantasizes about being assaulted?

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Response to treestar (Reply #311)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 06:21 PM

318. Could be. Is there something wrong with fantasizing about those things?

Rape fantasies are common, stop judging women who have them.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #318)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 07:40 PM

354. maybe not, but it would not be sexual

Quit lying about judging. You refuse to acknowledge the difference between a sexual fantasy and a fantasy about being assaulted. Why Bernie is worth this is hard to figure out - he wrote what he wrote long before people in general got the concept that rape is not about sex and was probably oblivious, it was long ago, and he's not going to lose votes over it.

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Response to opiate69 (Reply #227)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 03:07 PM

347. People in that community say they consent

if they consent, it is not rape. They would be fantasizing about what they would consent to.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #196)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 04:52 AM

271. According to the these PsychologyToday Articles you are 100% correct

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/all-about-sex/201001/womens-rape-fantasies-how-common-what-do-they-mean

Sixty-two percent said they'd had at least one such fantasy. But responses varied depending on the terminology used. When asked about being "overpowered by a man," 52 percent said they'd had that fantasy, the situation most typically depicted in women's romance fiction. But when the term was "rape," only 32 percent said they'd had the fantasy. These findings are in the same ballpark as previous reports.


Rape fantasies can be either erotic or aversive. In erotic fantasies, the woman thinks: "I'm being forced and I enjoy it." In aversive fantasies, she thinks: "I'm being forced and I hate it." Forty-five-percent of the women in the recent survey had fantasies that were entirely erotic. Nine percent were entirely aversive. And 46 percent were mixed.


[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]In another PT article:[/font]

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/all-about-sex/201508/why-do-women-have-rape-fantasies

Confirming earlier studies on the prevalence of rape fantasies, 62 percent of participants admitted fantasizing at least one of the eight scenarios:

Forced by a man: 52%.

Raped by a man: 32%.

Forced oral by a man: 28%.

Forced while incapacitated: 24%.

Forced by a woman: 17%.

Forced anal: 16%.

Raped by a woman: 9%.

Forced oral by a woman: 9%.


Women who have rape fantasies don’t want to be sexually assaulted. They feel comfortable with their own sexuality and are happy to embrace their erotic fantasies—wherever they may lead.


[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]These are simply facts. And as always, facts are on your side BMUS.[/font]

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Response to LostOne4Ever (Reply #271)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 05:09 PM

312. But I bet the man doing the "raping"

in the fantasy is someone they'd want to have sex with. It all boils down to thinking oneself so attractive that men can't resist.

And that leads into the sexism of how men can't control themselves around attractive women.

Rape is not a form of sex. So a fantasy of really being raped would be a sexual fantasy. It'd be about assault.

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Response to treestar (Reply #312)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 06:22 PM

319. How do you know what other people fantasize about?

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #319)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 03:05 PM

346. I don't but it is hard to imagine

someone fantasizing about being assaulted. Forced into sex with someone they did not want and did not find attractive. It would be a negative fantasy or fear, like imagining being shot or robbed or something. And as such it would not be a "sexual" fantasy.

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Response to treestar (Reply #346)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 04:26 PM

350. So you admit you don't know but are making the claim anyway.

Your post makes absolutely no sense.

Women have rape fantasies, those fantasies are sexual and you don't get to decide what is acceptable or not.

What you can or cannot imagine is irrelevant.

Stop judging people.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #350)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 07:38 PM

353. I'm not judging but cannot imagine enjoying

imagining being assaulted. So it is something I do not identify with. And I have the concept that rape is an assault, not sex. To say that women have rape fantasies that are "sexual" is inconsistent with that. If I am fantasizing being raped, I am fantasizing an assault by someone I don't want to have sex with, and that would be about as enjoyable as fantasizing being beaten up. Rape is an assault; not a consensual sexual act.

I don't know why you think it better to go to all this trouble and come close to saying a very anti-feminist thing (that an assault can be sexual) just to defend Bernie from a decades old mishap that won't do him much harm in the primaries.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #123)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 03:32 AM

259. Yes. Am I the only Baby Boomer here who's read Nancy Friday's "My Secret Garden", about women's

sexual fantasies??
There's an entire chapter in there about rape fantasies.

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Response to kath (Reply #259)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 03:38 AM

261. I haven't read it but come on, who hasn't heard of 50 Shades of Grey?

And that's just the lighter side of the genre, anyone who can Google can find thousands of stories written by women that are much more graphic.

This is just another manufactured scandal, most of us are too intelligent and well adjusted to even raise an eyebrow over this essay.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #121)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:17 PM

132. That is not true.

This is probably tmi, but I have often had fantasies about being raped. It does not mean that I have ever wanted to experience rape, since I have had two date rape experiences in my life and I would never want to go through that again. But fantasies are something different. I know that rape is not glamorous, and neither Bernie nor I am saying that it is.

But facts are facts.

And this sounds like the same thing that I have been hearing from right wing friends who are dredging up old essays that Sanders wrote in his youth. You are reaching.

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Response to Curmudgeoness (Reply #132)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 12:09 AM

178. I assume you are fantasizing about having sex with someone you want to have sex with.

If you are fantasizing about being overpowered by someone you find attractive or who you want to have sex with, it is not a rape fantasy. It is a domination fantasy. Fantasizing about a hot guy having his way with you is not a rape fantasy.

Neither I, nor any woman I know, fantasizes about being dominated by men they find repulsive, and they certainly don't fantasize about actually being raped. Rape is rape.

I am really sorry to hear about your rapes. I have a close friend who was raped in college years ago and she is still suffering from it emotionally. Nobody fantasizes about that.

This essay wasn't dug up by a right winger. It was brought up in Mother Jones magazine.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #178)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 12:13 AM

182. Where did Bernie write about women "being dominated by men they find repulsive"?

I was attacked - I've posted about it here, and I am not offended in the least by what he wrote about women's fantasies.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #182)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 12:21 AM

186. I said Bernie suggests that women "fantasize" about being "raped."

As I have repeatedly tried to explain to you in this thread, fantasies about being dominated by men you want to have sex with is not a "rape fantasy."

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #186)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 12:23 AM

188. They do, so what? It's a whole genre and it's very popular.

Bernie knew that, others here know that, apparently you're the only one who can't figure it out and are still trying to pretend there's something wrong with womens' fantasies.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #188)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 12:30 AM

192. There is nothing wrong with women's fantasies.

But women's fantasies are not about actual rape. That is what Bernie's essay and you don't seem to understand.

There's snuff films out there too. That does not mean women fantasize about being murdered.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #192)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 12:34 AM

194. How the hell do you know what other women fantasize about?

Like I said, do some research, those fantasies are common and you're certainly not an authority.

Get over yourself and stop judging other women.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #194)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 01:10 AM

204. I am not judging women. I am correcting your mistatements about women. nt

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #204)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 01:16 AM

212. Yes you are, women do fantasize about rape, you seem to be the only one who doesn't know that.

It's a well documented fact, get over it and move on.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #212)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 01:21 AM

217. Nope, no one has "documented it" as something women generally do.

Bernie's essay does not count as "documentation."

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #217)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 01:25 AM

226. Google it, the internet is full of rape fantasies written by women.

And that particular fantasy has been around a lot longer than you or Bernie, try to keep up.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #121)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 03:09 PM

348. It'd be like imagining being shot

or assaulted in some other way. Not a sexual fantasy but a fearful one, like where a person might imagine being in a terrible car accident or being robbed/mugged. One might momentarily think what it might feel like to be told you have cancer or be in the World Trade Center and deciding whether to jump - it's not a pleasant fantasy but something we may think about when we hear about something awful happening to someone else.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #103)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 08:33 PM

108. Jury results


On Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:29 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Pick one, either you lied about the essay or you don't know the difference.
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REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Calling a poster a liar is uncivil. Hide it. She's done it multiple times in this thread.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:32 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

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Response to Cassiopeia (Reply #108)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 08:35 PM

110. My goodness, now they're lying in alerts? What a shock!

Thanks for posting, this is SOP for certain posters, they try to set Bernie supporters up for hides.

We read about it at their website so it's nothing new.


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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #103)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 08:33 PM

109. and the results are in...

**edited to note, the results are posted above.

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Response to yuiyoshida (Reply #109)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 08:36 PM

111. Thanks! Looks like trying to "prod" me into a hide didn't work.

Someone at the cave has a sad.


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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #111)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 08:38 PM

112. I was going to post it but

Cassiopeia beat me to it...

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Response to yuiyoshida (Reply #112)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 08:39 PM

113. Good jury! Saw right through it.



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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #111)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 08:40 PM

114. Looks like you think it's okay to call people liars

 

Why do you think that's okay?

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #114)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 08:43 PM

116. Where did I call you a liar? I asked if you were lying when you posted this:

Enjoy your fantasies.

Speaking of fantasies, Bernie thinks women enjoy being raped. I simply cannot understand how a real liberal would vote for a pro gunner that thinks women enjoy being raped. Can you explain that to me? I just can't wrap my head around that. Especially when I think about how many women have been raped at the point of a knife or gun.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=868622



You still haven't explained, why did you post that about Bernie if you knew he was talking about fantasies?

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #114)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:21 PM

138. There is no place in this thread where BMUS called you a liar.

The best that I can find is a question giving an either/or situation, and it is not saying that you are a liar. You will have to pay more attention to what is written before you make your accusations. It seems that the jury agreed, so let it go.

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Response to Curmudgeoness (Reply #138)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:25 PM

141. Read the thread

 

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #141)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:28 PM

144. Tell me which reply to read.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #103)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 08:42 PM

115. And the envelope please:


On Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:29 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

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Calling a poster a liar is uncivil. Hide it. She's done it multiple times in this thread.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:32 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

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Response to LiberalArkie (Reply #115)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 08:44 PM

117. It's true! The jury system is rigged! Bernie Underground DOES exist!




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Response to MaggieD (Reply #102)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 03:28 AM

258. Gah, do you not understand the difference between sexual FANTASIES and what someone would actually

want in REALITY???

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Response to kath (Reply #258)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 04:22 AM

269. Aggravating, isn't it? Women have fantasies, who knew?

The thought police don't want women to think naughty thoughts!


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Response to MaggieD (Reply #93)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:18 PM

133. Maggie, cmon help me out

I just found this website I'm super impressed with all the thoughtful pro-Hillary posters as I am incredibly excited about her too. But is this the hill you want to die on? I think your passion is great, but with all this stuff about hidden posts and banning I'm just learning about, is it worth it? Surely there's something better we can do =)

Look I just learned about smilies for example

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Response to zigby (Reply #133)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:23 PM

140. You'll soon find out that Hillary supporters are stalked here

 

And if you are outspoken you will be purged. The jury system is a joke. And you don't see more Hillary supporters here for that reason. Either they have been purged, or they are just sick of the stalking. In addition, they personally attack Hillary supporters and their posts are allowed to stand because Bernie supporters control the juries.

Sorry, that's the bald truth.

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #140)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:26 PM

142. Now, now, no need to devolve into conspiracy theories.

We have a dungeon for those.

People who get timeouts are not victims, they just can't be civil.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #142)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:30 PM

145. There is a whole other web site where the stalking is tracked

 

I heard you guys tried to MIRT me today until Earl stepped in. Even though you clearly know you cannot MIRT someone who has been here since 2001 and has thousands of posts. The rules and TOS are irrelevant, apparently.

So don't try to deny it. There are mountains of evidence about this.

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #145)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:31 PM

146. You mean the site where you guys alert stalk Bernie supporters?

I have evidence of that:



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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #146)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:46 PM

155. Here is her transparency page

 

Which hide wasn't richly deserved?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=152034&sub=trans

And I don't see a thing in your famous screenshots that indicates she was stalked. It is a commentary on her never-ending personal attacks on people. You just think personal insults are okay.

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #155)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:50 PM

158. As richly deserved as all of yours were. :)

And that screenshot proves that alert stalking did occur and it wasn't Bernie supporters doing it.

Trying to "prod" other members into a hide is the very definition of alert stalking.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #158)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:53 PM

163. Again, I don't call anyone names

 

Everyone of my hides is for telling the inconvenient truth about Bernie. Since when is calling Bernie out with factual info against the TOS? It is not. The jury system here has been bastardized by Bernie supporters. There is not a single question about that.

It's a shame what has been done to what was once a very good site for actual Democrats. Pathetic in fact.

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #163)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:54 PM

166. "The jury system here has been bastardized by Bernie supporters."

You are always entertaining, Maggie, I'll give you that.


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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #166)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 12:01 AM

173. You have an amazing capacity to deny reality

 

But your mistake is in thinking others don't notice.

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #145)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:33 PM

148. Oh ffs, no one tried to "MIRT" you. Who told you that?

I heard you guys tried to MIRT me today until Earl stepped in. Even though you clearly know you cannot MIRT someone who has been here since 2001 and has thousands of posts. The rules and TOS are irrelevant, apparently.


You really should knock off the conspiracy theories and slandering of MIRT members.

We can't even MIRT anyone over a certain amount of posts.

Get a grip.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #148)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:40 PM

150. This is where the conspiracy theory orginated

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110728800

They claim to have a mountain of evidence, but nothing has been made public. Considering who is bringing this allegation forward, I'd seriously question its authenticity.

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Response to TSIAS (Reply #150)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:42 PM

153. Exactly, he's not even on MIRT.

I hope they provide the "mountain of evidence" so that we can see who is lying.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #153)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:49 PM

157. In case you think the smears in MIRT are private

 

They aren't.

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #157)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:53 PM

162. No one tried to MIRT you, the claim is ridiculous on its face.

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Response to TSIAS (Reply #150)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 06:26 AM

283. Oh, the founder of that cesspool Hillary Cave site. Yeah, he's a real fine trustworthy, upstanding

sort. I'd certainly believe everything he says...

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #148)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:42 PM

152. Oh yes they did

 

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=28800

As a bonus, there goes your theory that my fellow Hillary supporters don't agree with me. They just don't want to be stalked. You folks are way out of control at this point.

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #152)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:45 PM

154. How would that poster know what goes on? He's not even on MIRT.

No one has the ability to MIRT a long time member except admin, it's not even possible.

So your accusations are ridiculous, please post any actual evidence you have or stop making shit up.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #154)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:48 PM

156. Why did Earl lock the MIRT thread then?

 

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #156)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:50 PM

161. Ask whoever gave William the information.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #161)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:56 PM

168. Did you not hear me?

 

You think the smears in MIRT by Bernie supporters are private? Let me assure you they are not.

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #168)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:59 PM

172. I heard your conspiracy theory about someone trying to MIRT you.

Nothing that goes on in MIRT is private, everyone knows that.

Whoever told you that someone tried to MIRT you is lying.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #172)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 12:03 AM

174. Do you deny there was a thread by the MIRT team about me

 

That Earl locked?

I don't know if you realize this, but your continued personal attacks on me only serve to prove my point. And you apparently don't think anyone else notices. I find that odd.

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #174)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 12:06 AM

177. I'm telling you that you've been played.

No one posted a thread to try to MIRT you, ask about it in ATA or send Skinner and EarlG a pm if you want the truth.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #177)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 12:12 AM

181. Chickie, I know MIRT started a thread about me that Earl locked

 

Did you hear me? I KNOW THEY DID. You can deny it until the cows come home, but it is true. You know it and I know it.

Try to tell the truth. You can do it.

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #181)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 12:15 AM

183. MIRT followed protocol. No one tried to ban you. Period.

Last edited Fri Dec 4, 2015, 06:27 AM - Edit history (12)

Like I said, you've been played.

Ask about it in ATA or by pm instead of smearing MIRT members who are just doing their job.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #183)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 12:53 AM

197. uh huh

 

So Earl locked the thread for no reason. Is that what you are claiming?

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #197)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 12:59 AM

199. Nope, I'm claiming that no one tried to ban you.

If you don't believe me ask someone else about it, perhaps another MIRT member or Admin, because the person who started that thread isn't even on the team.

The rules are pretty simple, no one is allowed to ban a poster who has over a certain amount of posts, only Admin can do that.

MIRT followed protocol and anyone who told you that they were trying to ban you is just stirring the shit.

Or continue with the drama, I really don't care at this point.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #199)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 01:05 AM

200. Why did Earl lock the MIRT thread then?

 

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #200)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 01:09 AM

203. I'm not going to discuss MIRT functions with you.

If your source actually knew what was going on they would explain it to you.

Ask in ATA or send EarlG a pm, it's not my place to discuss what goes on in MIRT.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #203)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 01:11 AM

205. Why did Earl lock the MIRT thread then?

 

Just for fun? Or because you all were smearing the shit out of me? Because as we all know, it's okay to personally attack people on DU if you are a Bernie supporter. The rules simply do not apply - right?

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #205)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 01:14 AM

209. What did I just say? It's not my place to discuss what goes on in MIRT.

I'm tired of your persecuted act, it got old a long time ago.

People who get timeouts aren't victims, they just can't learn how to be civil.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #209)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 01:17 AM

214. Why did Earl lock the MIRT thread then?

 

Not for no reason, right?

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #214)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 01:19 AM

216. If you have questions about how MIRT functions ask admin in ATA or by pm.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #216)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 01:22 AM

220. I'm asking you - you're on MIRT

 

First you claimed it never happened, then you couldn't deny it. Now you're pretending that Earl locked the thread for no reason. Or pleading the fifth all of the sudden.

But I know the reason. You're not fooling anyone.

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #220)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 01:23 AM

223. See posts #203, 209 and 216.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #223)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 01:32 AM

233. I've seen them - they are your usual deflections when you get busted

 

I know what you all do. Trust me, we all do. Now go discuss that in MIRT.

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #233)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 01:32 AM

234. See posts #203, 209 and 216.

I've seen this play before.



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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #234)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 01:34 AM

235. I've seen them - they are your usual deflections when you get busted

 

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #234)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 02:26 AM

248. You left out post 183 where you changed your story.

Too late to edit.

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #152)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 03:38 AM

262. OMG the drama!



Thanks for making that dramatic post public. I'd imagine that OP just took himself out of further MIRT responsibilities.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #148)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 12:36 PM

304. "We can't even MIRT anyone over a certain amount of posts."

Is that true? What about self admitted sleeper trolls whose other accounts were banned? MIRT can't do anything about them?

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Response to Capt. Obvious (Reply #304)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 05:12 PM

313. No only admins can

ban those. MIRT only has jurisdiction if there are fewer than 100 posts.

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Response to Capt. Obvious (Reply #304)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 05:30 PM

315. Nope! But that doesn't stop people from pretending they're victims of the system.

They get a 7-0 jury hide, they're a victim.

They get sent on a timeout, they're a victim.

They get sent on multiple timeouts, even more a victim!

It's all a conspiracy, and everyone on DU is in on it!

Bwa ha ha ha ha ha!






Eta: I had to edit my post for a typo, I hope you don't feel like a victim, I just read that people use the edit function to manipulate people. My apologies if you feel violated in any way.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #315)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 07:22 PM

321. YOU EVIL EDITOR YOU!!!!!

 

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Response to opiate69 (Reply #321)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 07:26 PM

322. Ima Rick-n-Roller!

Edited.

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #140)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 12:26 AM

189. =(

Are you saying my time and $5 donation are totally wasted? What keeps you around? Maybe I haven't been personally done dirty but I've mostly seen good lively debate, with some pretty low stuff thrown in. I'm not the type to get personally offended if folks come heavy on Hillary, since I think she's ridden out much worse than anything anyone could write on a discussion board. And that's something I really respect about her. Tough as nails!

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #87)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:56 PM

170. Nice quote that proves your point

That one following you edits a lot, so its good to do quotes. Bernie's essay speaks for itself. They just need to make it personal to alert.

Thanks for your great OP's. You are very knowledgeable.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #170)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 12:04 AM

176. Thank you

 

She thinks no one else notices. I find that amusing.

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #176)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 12:38 AM

195. lol, exactly. I see now to wait between replies and not

answer too quickly so as to let the grace period to edit without a time stamp elapse. Otherwise there's an edit and you're called a liar. Glad to see others get it.

You are a real asset!

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #176)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 12:29 PM

303. Good for you for standing up for yourself.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #303)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 07:46 PM

323. What "mirt thing" would that be, justin?

Do tell, what have you heard?

What are those evil MIRTers up to now?


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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #323)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 08:00 PM

325. Seems some folk aren't quite as concerned about confidentiality IRT MIRT anymore...

 

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Response to opiate69 (Reply #325)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 08:11 PM

328. Oh my! Yes indeed, the hypocrisy is stunning.

So many familiar faces, same people using protected groups to launch attacks on those they don't like.

And since justin obviously knows how MIRT works he must know protocol was followed. So I guess those other folks are just shit stirring for the sake of shit stirring.

Some people just love their persecution fantasies, though.

Maybe it's a religious thing.

Everyone's out to get them, their hides are never their fault, timeouts are proof that juries are in on it.

It MUST be a conspiracy.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #323)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 08:33 PM

329. People calling her a troll when she is clearly not.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #329)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 08:37 PM

330. And who did that?

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #330)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 08:38 PM

331. I apologize if I left the impression you did it. Iwill edit.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #331)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 08:40 PM

332. Thank you, justin. :)

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #332)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 08:42 PM

333. You're welcome.

 

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #83)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 03:50 AM

264. I think what is rather obvious is that you didn't understand the essay. nt

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #79)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 08:56 AM

284. why should that be hidden?

it's about the public figure, Bernie, not insulting to any DUer.

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Response to treestar (Reply #284)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 09:05 AM

286. For the same reason posts calling Hillary a "murderer" are rightfully hidden.

I shouldn't have to spell this our for you, we don't lie about and/or swift boat our candidates here.

Despicable right wing lies and talking points don't belong on DU, 7 jurors agreed.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #286)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 09:09 AM

287. I doubt the right wing even knows yet

about Bernie's essay.

Plenty of right wing sources are used to slam Hillary here. The right wing talking points are often used, and such posts often not hidden.

People can debate about Bernie's essay, but I see a will here that it simply not be brought up. The Vince Foster stuff is not even comparable, as Bernie has not been subjected to smear on that level.

Certainly anything Hillary ever wrote would be used against her here and not be hidden.

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Response to treestar (Reply #287)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 09:16 AM

289. Oh please, who do you think started this crap about him advocating rape?

None of it belongs here, and if it gets posted and hidden no one has a right to whine about it after the fact.

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Response to treestar (Reply #287)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 09:26 AM

291. You can rest assured that the RW and GOP know.

It's just that Bernie doesn't represent a threat, so the RW/GOP is "keeping-their-powder-dry" (just in case). It's likely to be a strategic move on their part. If so, it seems that their likely reasoning is because they don't want to damage his chances NOW, and instead they hope to ruin him later.

Whether such an attack has actual merit or "legs" (whether in the primaries or general election) is something that would be decided by the voters. But based on the defensive posturing I've observed here, it certainly seems to be something that causes consternation.

Note to Jury: You'll note that I've not taken a position one way or the other. I have not made an attack or accusation. I have not repeated anyone's words. I'm acknowledging that this issue is out-there, and offered my opinion on why/when the GOP may use it against him, and what may happen if the GOP decided to present it as an attack.

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Response to treestar (Reply #287)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 09:41 AM

293. Yes they do. Youngcons got to it first I believe.

Plenty of right wing sources are used to slam Hillary here. The right wing talking points are often used, and such posts often not hidden.


Did I or did I not say no right wing smears belong here?

They do it too! is not an excuse for swift boating.




People can debate about Bernie's essay, but I see a will here that it simply not be brought up. The Vince Foster stuff is not even comparable, as Bernie has not been subjected to smear on that level.


What the hell are you talking about? It's been discussed to DEATH here. Google it.

We're just so over it, sorry. No outrage, no mass exodus of Bernie supporters, no knashing of teeth and wailing. We don't care.




Certainly anything Hillary ever wrote would be used against her here and not be hidden.


For the last time, Maggie's post wasn't hidden for citing the article, it was hidden by 7 jurors for claiming that Bernie "thinks women enjoy being raped".

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #286)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 09:21 AM

290. No they aren't

 

Hell, posts calling her a whore are allowed to stand by Bernie supporters.

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #290)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 09:33 AM

292. Link to a post calling her a "murderer" that wasn't hidden?

Last edited Fri Dec 4, 2015, 10:06 AM - Edit history (1)

And Skinner has stated that the term "corporate whore" has been used to describe politicians in the past so jurors may not always vote to hide it.

Imo it should not be used to describe female pols but I can't fault jurors who are confused.

are allowed to stand by Bernie supporters.


Proof the jurors were Bernie supporters?

Tia!

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Response to morningfog (Reply #70)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 10:14 PM

119. Bullshit. DUers WILL get a hide for posting or describing that essay.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #119)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 10:46 PM

122. That post was not about the article.

 

The article did not say rapey is okey dokey. Under stable hide. As I said, there have been literally hundreds of not hidden posts about the article.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #122)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:21 PM

137. Yes it was about Bernie's 1972 essay.

That post described the essay as "rapey" and noted the hypocrisy of Bernie supporters who think that essay is "a-okey" because it's by Bernie while their hair catches on fire over a temp logo for the Hillary campaign. It was an utterly bullshit hide.

I too recently got a 4-3 hide for having the temerity to post that essay. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=840153

My second hide in all the years I have been on DU. Some Bernie supporters sure don't want folks expressing negative opinions about that essay.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #137)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:27 PM

143. Yep

 

You are exactly correct. And it's not just that essay either. I have seen hides here for nothing more than quoting Bernie's remarks on gun rights, because they are unflattering to him.

The message is clearly that we are not permitted to tell the truth about him. In the meantime flat out lies about Hillary are posted 24/7. Sickening.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #119)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:09 PM

127. It got hidden 7-0 for claiming Bernie "thinks women enjoy being raped".

Nice try.