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Wed Dec 2, 2015, 11:26 PM

 

Black Lives Matter Supporters Give 7 Reasons They Can’t Support Hillary Clinton

From Independent Journal, 5 days ago:

They’re Tired of ‘Waiting’ on Clinton

"We’ve been waiting for weeks to see the platform that addresses these issues from Hillary Clinton’s campaign. We will wait no more.”

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/30/politics/hillary-clinton-black-lives-matter/

She’s Been Noticeably Absent

Hillary Clinton is the only democratic candidate who skipped today's criminal justice/#BlackLivesMatter forum. I just want to point that out

— Cassandra Fairbanks (@CassandraRules) November 22, 2015
https://twitter.com/CassandraRules/status/668278942500016128

BLM Supporters are ‘Feeling the Bern’

Watch "Former Hillary Clinton Supporter Changes Mind, Feels The Bern | MSNBC" https://t.co/HVrXox7sHR #Bernie2016 #BlackLivesMatter

— Alain Cornet (@CarlAntoine) November 16, 2015
https://twitter.com/CarlAntoine/status/666315967249694720

Some, like former Ohio state Senator Nina Turner, have found Sen. Bernie Sanders to be more in line with their beliefs.

She Wants to Keep Marijuana Criminalized

The decriminalization of marijuana possession is listed among BLM’s “Campaign Zero” recommendations.

http://www.marijuana.com/blog/news/2015/08/black-lives-matter-organizers-call-for-marijuana-decriminalization/

Al Jazeera America explains why:

“Keeping weed illegal perpetuates a racist criminal justice system and subjects young black men to constant harassment, search and arrest by the police.”

Clinton has traditionally been in favor of keeping marijuana criminalized, and has said she’s waiting on “more studies” before changing her mind.

Leaders Have Warned of Her ‘Lip Service’

As Cornel West, a long-time activist, said at a Democratic Party event in mid-November:

“Glad to hear my dear sister Hillary Clinton sounding so progressive. I salute her effort. But it’s lip service if you don’t come to terms with your…actions.”

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a39737/cornel-west-bernie-sanders-iowa/

Some Don’t Trust Her ‘Sudden’ Interest in Their Cause

Hillary has been in Politics for a LONG TIME. All of a sudden she gives a CRAP about BlackLives. I'm not buying it @deray #BlackLivesMatter

— My Black Matters2 (@MyBlackMatters2) November 23, 2015
https://twitter.com/MyBlackMatters2/status/668615541721026560

As Clinton has long been in the political spotlight, there are those who find her ‘sudden’ support of Black Lives Matter’s cause difficult to swallow.

Others Question Her Political Donors

Though Clinton announced in October that she would stop accepting “direct donations from private prison lobbyists,” BLM supporters have called her out on accepting “hundreds of thousands of dollars from wealthy donors” in regions that maintain a strong “economic disparity” with neighboring areas.

https://twitter.com/BLM_Nashville/status/667886590472122368


For more info and links, see:

http://www.ijreview.com/2015/11/481544-black-lives-matter-supporters-give-hard-hitting-reasons-they-cant-support-hillary-clinton/

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Response to senz (Original post)

Wed Dec 2, 2015, 11:27 PM

1. 1 reason for Hillary

President Trump.

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Response to itsrobert (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 2, 2015, 11:39 PM

4. Bernie would trounce him without breaking a sweat n/t

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Response to Rebkeh (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:52 PM

98. Exactly right

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Response to Rebkeh (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 02:23 PM

111. Hillary is the only viable choice: I am getting sick of the grand standing of Black lives bullies

 


Politicians cannot change the countries racism problems, they
can only sign bills.

The Black lives matter people, need to come up with a plan,
not ask one person to fix everything.

Change takes a long time and it is hard work, nothing is going
through congress because of the GOP.

The NAACP should be respected not Black lives matter they are
just screaming bullies

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #111)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 03:46 PM

125. Black lives "bullies" ????????????????

So people standing up and proclaiming their right to live - to live, literally - are "bullies?" They're unwillingness to sit down and shut up about their right to live makes them "bullies" ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Are there no other responses to this post because everyone else knows it's some sort of sarcasm and I missed it?

Black lives "bullies" ?????????????????????????????????????

I really hope I am missing something here, because if it is a serious statement I have to say I am about struck dumb.

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Response to bread_and_roses (Reply #125)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 03:48 PM

126. Sickening, isnt it.

But we must not be surprised.

BLM wont take shit and that just isnt how certain folks are supposed to act, as we know.

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Response to randys1 (Reply #126)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:56 PM

137. 3-4 leave. n/t

 

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Response to MeNMyVolt (Reply #137)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:01 PM

139. THere was an alert?

Lemme guess, the asinine attack of BLM was allowed to stay

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Response to randys1 (Reply #139)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:15 PM

143. Yes, 3-4 leave.

 

I was #7 below. I don't feel it appropriate for me to comment further.

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Response to MeNMyVolt (Reply #143)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:16 PM

144. You are my friend...that is for sure

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Response to randys1 (Reply #144)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:17 PM

145. That is an honor. Thank you. n/t

 

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Response to randys1 (Reply #126)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:06 PM

141. 3-4

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

"Black lives bullies" - Attacking the AA community in unacceptable

The review was completed at Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:50 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Hiding the post seems unnecessary censorship. I don't like this poster's opinion but he/she is entitled to it. Revolutions don't start at the top, and it seems this person will likely get a lot of reminder of that.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Post isn't "attacking" the AA community. Just argue it...stop alerting and making broad-brush statements that aren't in the post.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Some of the tactics used by A FEW of those claiming to be #BLM advocates could arguably be described as bullying. I'm not saying I agree with that, but I don't think the statement is a broad brush of the entire AA community, some of whom have distanced themselves from such tactics.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Agree with alerter.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The organizers and group "Black Lives Matter" are not the same as the African American community. Very few of the AA community are out there protesting under the Black Lives Matter banner.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: BLM "bullies" has no place on this board. Poster, please try to make your points without such incendiary language.

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #141)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:07 PM

142. deleted

oops, just said racism exists

better fucking delete that before I am silenced

ATtacking BLM is ok here, I see

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Response to bread_and_roses (Reply #125)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 01:54 PM

167. They are not just standing up: they are bulling and attacking individuals

 



I support the NAACP not black lives: I support animal rights
not peta: I believe BLM is an extremist group whatever there
goals.

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #167)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 03:25 PM

168. So now BLM is an "extremist" group?

If they are extremist, then so is every group I've ever belonged to.

Your definition of "extremist" must be extremely peculiar, to say the least.

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Response to bread_and_roses (Reply #168)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 03:52 PM

169. The NAACP is not good enough for the BLM; BLM has diss the NAACP

 

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #167)

Wed Dec 23, 2015, 07:28 AM

187. The NAACP is irrelevant, now. They are as out of touch

 

as they were in the Sixties, when they condemned MLK for "breaking the law"and still deluded themselves into thinking that Jim Crow could be ended through the courts, despite the fact that Brown V. Board proved that that approach didn't work).

Did you also approve Allard Lowenstein and Barney Frank's efforts to take over SNCC, purge all the leftists out of it, and reduce it to nothing but a, timid obedient tool of the Democratic Party establishment?

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #187)

Thu Dec 24, 2015, 03:02 PM

188. NO, the NAACP is not out of touch: they are still the leaders of civil rights

 




Black people were being killed and jailed unjustly before Ferguson:
where were all young people in BLM: the NAACP has been speaking out and
marching and protesting while they sat on their behinds.

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #111)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 03:56 PM

128. Argue some of the points the OP brought up, but to insult the movement that way..

disgusting.

I'm shamed that we support the same candidate.

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Response to Amimnoch (Reply #128)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:45 PM

136. If it makes you feel any better Amimnoch, I dont hold Hillary supporters accountable for lewebley3.

He/she is responsible for their own crap-covered shoes they just walked all over the carpet with.

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Response to Amimnoch (Reply #128)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 01:49 PM

166. The movement is an insult to the NAACP:

 

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #111)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:20 PM

146. Hillarry is unelectable....

 

Since don't resonate with the people.

And now, her obnozious supporters are giving a tuss about BLM and seem to fall in line with people who still want to send black kids into prison for weed, and then call them bullies when they protest police violence and institutional racism.

That apparently doesn't matter to Hillary supporters.

Apparently Hillary only wants to talk to white people or people who bow down and kiss her highness' ring.

Why this obsession about having a Clinton or Bush in office?

And what makes you believe she will implement progressive ideas, take money out of politics and hold her criminal friends in Goldman Sachs accountable?

When will we see drug money laundering bankers in prison under president Hillary?

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Response to Bohemianwriter (Reply #146)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 01:46 PM

165. Wrong: Hillary is electable she resonates with most America; Hillary is the best choice

 

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #165)

Sun Dec 6, 2015, 01:31 PM

178. So you think that someone with close ties

 

with Wall Street resonates with more people than Bernie Sander's anti- Wall Street stance?

Does she resonate with the majority with the American people with her pro war stance, and her more money in politics stance? How does she resonate better with the African American community than Bernie Sanders? What has she and her husband done for minorites save from intensifying the drug war?
How does she resonate with the majorty of the American people when she insists on still inprisoning drug addicts and everyday pot smokers?
And why do you insist on having more of the same when you for once have an oportunity for real change?
Do you really think that her 9-11 remark was a good defense for her close ties with the criminals on Wall Street?
Why are you voting for more war, more money in politics and socialism for the rich?
What makes you think Hillary is more electable against republicans than Bernie Sanders?

And will you vote Bernie Sanders after Hillary has been exposed as the fraud she is?
Why do you want to impose another Clinton/Bush on humanity?
Isn't one Clinton enough? Or are you just like the republicans? A sucker for political royalties and criminals!

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Response to Bohemianwriter (Reply #178)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 06:06 PM

179. Hillary resonates with most Americans and She was a good Senator after 9/11

 



You seem to be a complainer, you will drag down the Dem's
chance to keep the GOP out of the White House

The Clinton's had one of most successful Admiration in history,
hopefully will be lucky again. The Clinton's have to be
the cleanest people in politics they have been investigated
over and over again and nothing has been found.

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #179)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:27 PM

180. The only people who are destroying...

 

the democratic party are the supporters of more corruption in government, in other words Hillary and her supporters.

If you think voting for wars is being a good senator, then I hope you had kids to spear as cannon fodders for her and Bush' war campaign.

I almost forgot something about the Clintons.

Bill Clinton bombed the crap out of Iraq while denying them cleaning systems for the water reservoirs, which resulted in more than a half a million deaths.
Not to mention the trade deal that made more Americans lose their jobs under the banner of "The third way".

Seems as the establishment democrats are just as blood thirsty war criminals and corrupt as their republican counterparts.

Seems that democrats are more obsessed about partisanship serving the Wall Street criminals than to stand by progressive principles.

Nope!

The Clinton's was a disaster.
The Clinton's are as dirty as their republican counterparts.
I am just sad that their brainwashed minions are too stupid or stubborn to realize it.

So! You vote Hillary, eh?

Can't have enough of more of the same bullshit?
Must have political royalties?
Must have more money in politics? Hot more kids to send to their deaths for Hillary's future wars?

Fact is that USA has gone down the drain after Carter. And BOTH parties are responsible.

GOP for being aggressive liars, and democrats for being spineless weasels.

What I can't understand is why Hillary has any supporters at all, and how you keep throwing garbage as the actual cleanest statesman of this generation.

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Response to Bohemianwriter (Reply #180)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 05:34 PM

181. Sorry the Clintons are clean: they have been investigated over over

 




This week we found out the that Sanders supporters are dirty

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #181)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 07:20 PM

182. Hillary Clinton is no different then a Republican.

 

.low taxes policy, ready to go to war at the drop of a dime, during the 90's her and Bill pushed the left to the center, helped with the mass incarceration of blacks, advocated to cut social programs instead of raising taxes on the top 1% when Bill was president, voted for the Iraq War, and leads the political pack when it comes to scandals....

Want more money in politics?
Have kids to spare for the next war?


Keep touting establishment lies on behalf of your bee queen Hillary and her venomous henchman DWS.
And now you attack Bernie's supporters. This week we learned that the establishment is trying to obstruct Bernie's campaign.



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Response to Bohemianwriter (Reply #182)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 12:41 PM

184. Hillary very different from the GOP: She is a Democratic: and one of its leaders

 

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #184)

Wed Dec 23, 2015, 07:08 AM

185. She's living proof....

 

That republican ideology have infested the democratic party.

As long as she is on the take from one of the most criminal organizations in USA (Goldman Sachs) and being a war monger, she's not much different than your average republicans.

It's just you who have become RWers or republican lite.


It's Bernie Sanders who embodies the TRUE democratic values. Hillary and DWS are both impostors and should be kicked out for masquerading as liberals.

Heck!

Hillary's henchwoman are already in support for REPUBLICANS in Florida.

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Response to Bohemianwriter (Reply #185)

Thu Dec 24, 2015, 03:05 PM

189. NO GOP ideology is not infested in the Dem party: Dem party is working

 



for all Americans: Hillary is her own person: she cannot be bought, if she
could she would have joined the GOP years ago.

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #111)

Sun Dec 6, 2015, 02:29 AM

176. Now we see what Clinton supporters actually think of Black Lives Matters

 

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Response to Rebkeh (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:16 PM

133. Hahahahahaha

 

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Response to itsrobert (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 2, 2015, 11:42 PM

6. Bernie does 2 points better against him than Hillary

in the Quinnipiac poll released today.

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Response to jfern (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 12:44 AM

25. ...without yet going through the GOP wringer.

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Hillary Clinton has taken on the worst the Republicans can throw; they haven't started with Sanders.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #25)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 12:55 AM

31. LOL, they've thrown a number of attacks his way

And he's got a great 44-31 favorable rating compared to her terrible 44-51 favorable rating.

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Response to jfern (Reply #31)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:07 AM

38. I think that the Clinton camp is having a come to Jesus moment.

 

If she could have won last time, she would have. It appears the second time around she is doing no better than she did in 2008.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #38)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:53 PM

99. +1

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Response to Aerows (Reply #38)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:01 PM

131. I think she'll do worse this time around...

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Think about it. All of those young people who voted for Obama, and rejected her inevitableness--are now in their late 20's - mid 30's. They rejected Clinton once, because they wanted a more liberal candidate.

That Demographic certainly won't go for Clinton this time around with Bernie in the race.

Also, you've got an entirely new crop of young voters. They were too young to vote last time the Democrats has a primary. They are wildly liberal. These people were toddlers when Bill Clinton was President. The Clintons are a part of history for them. But not much else.

Sanders and his Progressive agenda represents the future.

I also think that Democratic voters may have Clinton fatigue. We endured an arduous primary with her before. We picked someone else. She's back again, with nothing new to offer.

I think our voters could easily decide--once again--that they're interested in someone besides Hillary Clinton being the Democratic nominee.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #131)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:02 PM

140. Hmm... Sanders vs Obama in earlier elections:

Pretending it was Sanders instead of Clinton running for the Democratic nominations in the prior 2, I would have voted for Obama the first time but easily switched to Sanders the second election. (Assuming he had been a Democrat instead of an Independent).

I am 61 now and like most DUers I shared the desire for an honest to God Progressive in the White House. From what I can tell, kids arriving at the age where they can vote for the first time share that desire for a Progressive government. I am sick of corporatocracy and i believe kids these days 'get it' because the economy has forced them into paying attention.

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Response to jfern (Reply #31)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 02:03 AM

70. The favorability rating is a big deal.

Hard to get elected when more people view you in an unfavorable light than not.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #25)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 03:09 PM

121. There is no "there" there with Sanders...

The man is squeaky clean.

Clinton, on the other hand--is a buffet of scandals, horrid votes, neocon policies and she has a track record of taking money from Wall Street, the for-profit-prison system and from defense contractors.

The Republicans will be busy resurrecting all of the Clinton dirt, that kept right-wing radio busy for decades. The Progressives in our party won't care about any of that, but they'll be stricken by her past hawkishness and corporate donations that leave her beholden to powerful interests.

Anyway you look at Hillary, she is one big clusterfuck of NO WAY IN HELL coming at her from every direction.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #121)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 03:17 PM

122. I'm not talking ethics; I'm talking politics and policy...

...the average Republican/Independent voter is not following the Democratic Primary. The Republicans will start with:

"self-described Socialist"

"billions in new taxes"

"out of touch, ice cream State"

"Government-run health care"

...and go from there.

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Response to jfern (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:17 PM

134. 2 whole points?

 

And they havent even begun "vetting" him yet....they would make mincemeat out of him....

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Response to itsrobert (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 2, 2015, 11:43 PM

7. Only if she wins the primary...but we are duking out the nomination here.

 

...

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Response to itsrobert (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 2, 2015, 11:49 PM

11. So O'Malley or Sanders are the same as Trump?

 

Fascinating.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #11)

Wed Dec 2, 2015, 11:52 PM

12. I don't know how you figured that

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Response to itsrobert (Reply #12)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 12:42 AM

24. Here's an issues question. Do you favor the decriminalization of marijuana? nm

 

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #24)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 12:48 AM

26. yes

n/t

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Response to itsrobert (Reply #26)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:01 AM

34. Thanks for the answer. I didn't expect it. I do also and will support a candidate that agrees.

 

I think this is very important:

“Keeping weed illegal perpetuates a racist criminal justice system and subjects young black men to constant harassment, search and arrest by the police.”

Clinton has traditionally been in favor of keeping marijuana criminalized, and has said she’s waiting on “more studies” before changing her mind.


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Response to itsrobert (Reply #37)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:11 AM

39. We've had decades and decades worth of studies. Your example is statistically irrelevant.

 

The criminalization of marijuana has been used for decades to bring serious harm to the black community. The longer we "study" the more go to prison or get killed. Of course the "for-profit" prisons, large Clinton backers, want to continue the criminalization.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #39)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 02:01 AM

68. I'm doing my part. :)

 

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Response to AtomicKitten (Reply #68)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 02:09 AM

74. You know it doesn't count if you aren't taking good notes.

 

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #74)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:56 PM

100. lol

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Response to itsrobert (Reply #37)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 10:56 AM

95. That probably because of Genetics .

I have the same in my family , they never smoked pot.

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Response to itsrobert (Reply #37)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 08:12 PM

158. I have smoked it longer but

now I vaporize.

So *NOT* paranoid out of my mind but to each his own I guess.

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Response to itsrobert (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 2, 2015, 11:56 PM

13. 2 reason for Hillary

Historic glass ceiling shattered to allow for more diverse leadership!

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Response to zigby (Reply #13)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 12:39 AM

22. First Jewish President

That sounds good too.

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Response to Lordquinton (Reply #22)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 12:41 AM

23. yep I'll vote for Bernie

I just don't think he has the numbers to get there

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Response to zigby (Reply #23)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 08:13 AM

92. If everyone who likes Bernie comes out to Vote for him, he will win!

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Response to zigby (Reply #13)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:02 AM

36. By that logic...

Sarah Palin? Michelle Bachmann? Carly Fiorina?

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Response to Rebkeh (Reply #36)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:51 AM

63. Nope. Hillary, like I said.

Not sure why you think I'd go voting for the red team!

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Response to zigby (Reply #63)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 02:25 AM

77. I didn't say red team

They are all women and would have broken the glass ceiling just as much as Hillary would.

Her gender is not reason enough, it's not a reason at all. I want the first woman to also be the right person for the job.

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Response to Rebkeh (Reply #77)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 02:37 AM

79. Of COURSE you meant red team when you said Palin, Fiorina

They're all Republicans lol! Hillary is the most qualified candidate running on EITHER side, man OR woman.

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Response to zigby (Reply #79)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 02:41 AM

80. I disagree

She is not the right person for this job, at this time.

I'd rather wait 100 years for the right woman than 1 year for the wrong one.

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Response to Rebkeh (Reply #80)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 03:24 AM

82. Well that's a pretty simplistic opinion.

You're welcome to it, but there don't seem to be any facts you've rustled up to support it.

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Response to zigby (Reply #79)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 03:38 AM

84. That is so not true.

 

First of all, FLOTUS doesn't count, sorry. The only first lady who came close to what you're thinking was the one in your avatar. But there is a HUGE difference between Hillary and Eleanor. Eleanor showed her concern for people and had a gracious, loving sense of responsibility, perhaps noblesse oblige, that gave her a grandness that Hillary lacks. Hillary has self-importance and ambition but lacks the feel for humanity that Eleanor had. Eleanor was a large person from the inside.

So what is it then? Two terms as a carpetbagger senator from New York, terms that are not particularly distinguished except for the horribly bad judgment of her vote for the IWR. And there is the corruption factor of the record number of arms sales to questionable parties, such as terrorist countries, that gave generously to the Clinton Foundation with a strong appearance of quid pro quo.

Then we have SOS. Frankly, she doesn't look outstanding there either. She handled the Middle East clumsily and coarsely and didn't leave it in an improved state. Kerry has been a far better Secretary of State.

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Response to senz (Reply #84)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 02:00 PM

101. Senz, stop confusing the issue with facts! People might NOT vote for hillary with talk like that.

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Response to senz (Reply #84)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 02:09 PM

105. K & R. True and well said about the unrivaled Eleanor Roosevelt. Great post, thanks.





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Response to zigby (Reply #13)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:13 AM

43. Warren comes to mind.

 

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Response to 840high (Reply #43)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:52 AM

64. Sure, but she's not in the running.

Hillary is. It's time!

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Response to zigby (Reply #64)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 03:58 PM

129. it's time for?

 

a woman? that would be nice. A woman who will continue to let the corporations kill us? No

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Response to 2pooped2pop (Reply #129)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:26 PM

155. Lol come one, find me ONE national level politician that isn't in bed with SOME corporation

Bernie loves some defense pork, Biden is Mr. Mastercard, etc.

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Response to 840high (Reply #43)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 02:22 AM

76. I really like Warren. I hope she runs in '20 or '24.

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Response to PoliticalMalcontent (Reply #76)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 03:41 AM

85. I love Warren and would gladly have voted for her in 2016.

 

However, she could have an age problem in 2020 or 2024. She's in her 60s, though she does look and sound quite a bit younger. So I don't know...

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Response to senz (Reply #85)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 03:55 AM

86. I was just thinking about that the other day.

Warren is probably the only other person I would have voted for over Sanders this election cycle. I'm looking forward to seeing how it plays out. Glad to have a leader like her in the party.

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Response to PoliticalMalcontent (Reply #86)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:07 AM

87. Yes, she notches up the integrity of the Democratic Party

 

just being the person she is. I also heard a few days ago that a group of Senators made formal endorsements of Hillary, but Warren was not among them. Given the power undercurrents in the Party today, that takes courage as well as integrity.

She shares Bernie's gift of speaking the truth. We are so suffocated with falsehoods and propaganda that plain speakers are like open windows, breaths of fresh air.

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Response to PoliticalMalcontent (Reply #86)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:10 AM

88. Duplicate post

 

Second time it's happened in as many days...

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Response to itsrobert (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 12:09 AM

14. Bernie does better against Republicans than Hillary does. That is a false meme being spread.

Bernie will attract the youth and also get crossover Republican/Independent votes. Hillary will not attract the youth, causing some Dem voters to stay home, she will not get crossover votes either. In fact, she will drive Republicans to the polls in order to vote against her.

If we want to win the general we need to nominate Bernie. Going with Hillary is taking a huge chance and I think she will lose.

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Response to cui bono (Reply #14)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 12:19 AM

18. Yep that is how I see it too.

The passion Hillary creates is a negative one...for a vote AGAINST.

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Response to cui bono (Reply #14)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:03 PM

132. Has anyone ever won on their second attempt after losing the first attempt?

 

I wonder. Though she's been preparing for at least 12 years.

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Response to 2pooped2pop (Reply #132)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 09:49 PM

161. Nixon

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Response to demwing (Reply #16)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 03:13 AM

81. I missed that, and it's interesting.

 

Thom Hartmann has been saying for months that he thinks Trump is in the race to throw it one way or the other, but he never mentioned Hillary. One of his theories was/is that Trump got in to destroy Jeb Bush -- which he pretty much did. You know, if Jeb hadn't folded so easily, he might have been a strong contender against Hillary, which sort of fits your hunch.

Of course, if they are playing games like that with our electoral system, they're a buncha schmucks. In our system, citizens should be respected and the vote should be sacred. Rich buffoons like Trump profane something that was close to holy to our founders.

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Response to itsrobert (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 12:22 AM

19. And you win the number one response slot. Getting good. But your quick action to

 

get the slot may have cost you some substance. Sanders has a much better chance to defeat Trump. Not that that matters. The 1% would rather have Trump than a real progressive, don't you agree? rhetorical. In 2000 the Democratic Elite (owned by the 1%) would rather have Bush than nominate a progressive.

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Response to itsrobert (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 02:20 AM

75. Yes, if I wanted to see a Trump presidency,

 

I would certainly support Clinton. Not that I expect Trump to be the Republican nominee (he won't be), but a Clinton candidacy will bring the RW lunatics to the GE in droves, no matter.



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Response to itsrobert (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 09:20 AM

93. Here's Team Hillary, trying to scare you into submission

 

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Response to senz (Original post)

Wed Dec 2, 2015, 11:33 PM

2. Only 7 reasons?

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 02:08 AM

72. How about ONE reason-no, make that two reasons to support Bernie.

REASON NUMBER 1.

Many of the millennial voters stayed home in the mid-terms. he has absolutely energized this group of voters and a large segment of those voters will show up to vote.

REASON NUMBER 2.

Hillary has not generated any form of excitement for those who have had it up to here with the corporate strategy of running this country. And these is a statement from Bill Daley, her campaign advisers who said NOT to focus on income inequality during this campaign. That blew my mind when I saw that today. He actually said that. So how are families have a better future if income inequality is not discussed? That falls in the "you got to be kidding" department.

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Response to Duckfan (Reply #72)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:27 PM

147. Her campaign adviser said NOT to focus on income inequality??

 

That's sick. She's part of the cover-up.

No wonder people call her untrustworthy.

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Response to Duckfan (Reply #72)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 12:00 AM

163. Well said. Go Bernie!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

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Response to senz (Original post)

Wed Dec 2, 2015, 11:38 PM

3. #BowDownBernie

 

And IJReview is a rightwing yellow journalism site.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 2, 2015, 11:45 PM

8. The people they cite are not.

 

Hillary supporters think they are like insurance companies. They get to set the rules each year and move them around to suit their own interests.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 2, 2015, 11:48 PM

10. Their message seems to be #UpYoursHillary.

 

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Response to AtomicKitten (Reply #10)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:25 AM

58. That made me literally LOL.

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Response to CharlotteVale (Reply #58)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:26 AM

59. :)

 

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Response to senz (Original post)

Wed Dec 2, 2015, 11:41 PM

5. Have they signed on to supporting Sanders?

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #5)

Wed Dec 2, 2015, 11:47 PM

9. How, exactly, does a decentralized, leaderless movement "sign on" to support anyone? (nt)

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #9)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 12:10 AM

15. or "sign off" supporting anyone nt

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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 12:39 AM

21. Are you in favor of the decriminalization of marijuana? nm

 

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #21)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:23 AM

57. Every time. Like some kind of fucked up clockwork. Kind of like stalkers

 

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Response to senz (Original post)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 12:17 AM

17. Well, if you are going by things she has actually done and said...

I can see where they might have her there.

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Response to senz (Original post)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 12:38 AM

20. The only people I saw saying they were HRC supporters were Bernie people.

I never ever thought they'd be into electoral politics at all, let alone into Hillary. I think DeRay and Shawn King tweet about supporting Bernie, but I haven't seen any other prominent BLM person say much about voting.

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Response to senz (Original post)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 12:51 AM

27. All of a sudden people care what BLM supporters think.

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #27)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 12:53 AM

28. Yes, that's what BLM said about Hillary (excerpted from above).

 

Some Don’t Trust Her ‘Sudden’ Interest in Their Cause

Hillary has been in Politics for a LONG TIME. All of a sudden she gives a CRAP about BlackLives. I'm not buying it @deray #BlackLivesMatter

— My Black Matters2 (@MyBlackMatters2) November 23, 2015
https://twitter.com/MyBlackMatters2/status/668615541721026560

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Response to AtomicKitten (Reply #28)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 12:54 AM

29. The same folks who harassed BLM supporters for days now care so much. Lol.

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #29)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 12:55 AM

30. So you keep saying.

 

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Response to AtomicKitten (Reply #30)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 12:56 AM

32. It's hella sad and funny.

 

Kinda pathetic in a way. I have plenty of links if you want I can sprinkle them throughout this thread?

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Response to bravenak (Reply #32)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 12:58 AM

33. Your harangue is becoming stale.

 

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Response to AtomicKitten (Reply #33)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:14 AM

45. Fresh to me!

 

I'll keep it up. I like it. I live life to please myself, not silly people with no real insight.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #45)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:20 AM

51. Yes, I read your PM posted here in which you declared your intentions.

 

Pretending to support Hillary who you don't really like -
and intent to keep spamming the boards to harass people here.

You're using up the goodwill of people here at a rapid pace.

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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 09:13 PM

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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 10:16 PM

162. jury results

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Response to restorefreedom (Reply #162)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 04:04 PM

171. Interesting. Thank you.

 

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Response to AtomicKitten (Reply #171)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 04:06 PM

172. transparency is good imo. :) nt

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Response to bravenak (Reply #45)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:22 AM

55. I store my harangues in ziplock bags, keeps 'em fresh and crunchy.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #55)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:23 AM

56. Good Idea.

 

I was keeping mine in the frigidaire next to the pies. The meringue pies!!

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Response to bravenak (Reply #56)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:27 AM

60. During the holiday season, you never know when you might have unexpected guests drop in.

It's nice to have fresh harangues and meringue pies on hand!

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Response to betsuni (Reply #60)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:56 AM

66. Tis the season for guests and harangues!!

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #66)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 02:01 PM

103. Heh!

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Response to bravenak (Reply #66)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 03:53 PM

127. You are having too much fun.

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Response to randys1 (Reply #127)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:26 PM

135. Lolol, and they be mad about it!!!

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #135)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 04:01 PM

170. Happy holidays, bravenak. See you next year.

 

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Response to AtomicKitten (Reply #170)

Sun Dec 6, 2015, 02:20 AM

175. A nice long holiday break.

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Response to AtomicKitten (Reply #33)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:15 AM

48. Amen. +100

 

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Response to 840high (Reply #48)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:21 AM

54. :)

 

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Response to AtomicKitten (Reply #33)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:27 AM

61. This is the person she supports:

Again, standing with the Republicans, implicitly chastising Pres. Obama for not being hawkish enough on the ME, for not bowing to Netanyahu.

on all the hypocritical liars who help pave her way.


How I Would Reaffirm Unbreakable Bond With Israel — and Benjamin Netanyahu
Hillary ClintonNovember 4, 2015

http://forward.com/opinion/national/324013/how-i-would-rebuild-ties-to-israel-and-benjamin-neta/

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Response to bravenak (Reply #27)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:12 AM

40. So if I say I went to the BLM website and didn't like what I read there would I still get dog piled?

Or would I now be a hero?

I am not sure what the thought police on DU want me to believe anymore...

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Response to Bread and Circus (Reply #40)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:13 AM

42. I have no idea what you are talking about.

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #42)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:14 AM

44. I doubt that.

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Response to Bread and Circus (Reply #44)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:14 AM

46. I doubt I care.

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #46)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:15 AM

47. Yet it only takes you 2 seconds to respond to my posts...why is that?

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Response to Bread and Circus (Reply #47)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:16 AM

49. I'm laughing hella hard and cannot wait to say I don't care. Cause I don't.

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #49)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:18 AM

50. <3 you back Bravenak

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Response to bravenak (Reply #49)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 09:33 AM

94. You are slaying your nemeses in this thread, sister...

It must have been like watching Joe Louis go through the heavyweight division in the 1930s and 40s.



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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #94)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 02:06 PM

104. LOL, I'm not even trying!

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #104)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 02:12 PM

106. They are quiet...Must be recovering from their wounds./nt

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #106)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 02:20 PM

108. I hope they have ICE.

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #108)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 02:23 PM

112. I think they need a song to make them feel better

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #112)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 02:31 PM

115. Good one! I hope it helps.

 

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #94)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 02:19 PM

107. Yeah she's a mad genius...

And I am a number 1 Hillary Rodham Clinton fan.

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Response to Bread and Circus (Reply #107)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 02:21 PM

109. I have never seen such devastation since Mike Tyson dropped Michael Spinks in the first round.

I almost sympathize with her victims, almost.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #109)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 02:23 PM

110. Oh absolutely. The intelligent posts she makes are breathtaking.

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Response to Bread and Circus (Reply #110)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 02:27 PM

113. Thank you for agreeing...She is brilliant...

Thank you for agreeing...She is brilliant and what makes it all the more remarkable is that her wisdom and knowledge is self didactic. Her detractors would be well served by talking to real people and not to each other on the internet.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #113)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 02:35 PM

116. Couldn't agree more...just so many great ideas at play...

Some might see confusion and thought salad but it takes a special perspective to recognize the wisdom and eloquence.

I am so glad you took time out of your busy schedule linking polls to come here to bask in her greatness.

It is a good day indeed when us mere mortals have the opportunity to joust with those who have so much to teach.

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Response to Bread and Circus (Reply #116)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 02:39 PM

117. I could not agree more.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #117)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 02:42 PM

118. That guy is but a mental dullard compared to our brave Bravenak!

Let's toast!

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Response to Bread and Circus (Reply #118)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 02:44 PM

119. Even she would disagree with that assessment but I believe both could have learned much from one ...

Even she would disagree with that assessment but I believe both could have learned much from one another. I learn from both of them. As Sir Issac Newton said "If I have seen further than others, it is by standing upon the shoulders of giants."

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #119)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 02:50 PM

120. Well I gotta go back to work. This was all humorous while it lasted.

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Response to Bread and Circus (Reply #120)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:59 PM

138. If you are nice to me I will ask my sister to drop more wisdom on you./nt

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #117)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:31 PM

148. Thread FUCKING Winner

That should be posted in every thread that bravenak's Furious Fan Club decides to appear in.

Good grief, that is one hell of a find DSB!!

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Response to Number23 (Reply #148)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:38 PM

150. She and 1SBM are that "one in a thousand."

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Response to Number23 (Reply #148)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:41 PM

156. Yes indeed!

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Response to bravenak (Reply #27)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:53 AM

65. LOL, I remember that

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Response to bravenak (Reply #27)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:39 AM

89. Isn't that ironic?

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Response to senz (Original post)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:02 AM

35. Not a demographic Hillary wants to lose

She currently has very strong support from blacks. If that starts to shift substantially, the primary will tighten up.

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Response to senz (Original post)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:13 AM

41. I don't get Hillary's anti-marijuana stance.

Why do we continue spending tax payer money arresting and incarcerating people for smoking a weed? It's a waste of time and money. I didn't realize she was this conservative.

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Response to jalan48 (Reply #41)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 02:05 AM

71. Because the private prison industry wants the butts in cells.

And she's taken some cash from the private prison industry. Marijuana arrests puts a lot of butts in cells and brings profit to those prisons.

It wasn't hard to figure out. As always with her, follow the money.

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #71)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 02:31 AM

78. +1000 nt

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Response to senz (Original post)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:20 AM

52. She Is The Worst...Fake Opportunist

 

It's amazing anyone still supports her. She should dance off into the sunset with her friend Jeb Bush.

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Response to senz (Original post)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:34 AM

62. So you found seven black people who aren't supporting Hillary. Wow. n/t

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #62)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:58 AM

67. And they WILL tell us about number EIGHT! Many TIMES!!!11!!

 

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #62)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:39 AM

90. One of them was Cornell West

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #62)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:52 PM

151. Don't forget this nobody

 

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #62)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:05 PM

152. Herein lies Hillary's main problem

Like many Republicans, she thinks most Black people are too stupid and naive to actually notice the pretty words coming out of her mouth and the BS she actually stands for. She thinks Black people are just going to vote for her regardless just because she's Hillary Clinton. If she thinks that then she's as delusional as I think she is.

The more the Black community learns about Bernie, you'll see Hillary's numbers start to tumble. When they do, she'll get angry and resentful like she and Bill did when Obama was running and tell Black folk that we aren't appreciative of how good she's been to us people, as if we owe her something.

Mark my words: Hillary will blow a fuse if her lead in the Black community fades, and I can't wait for it to happen because we're watching and paying attention.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #62)

Thu Dec 24, 2015, 03:07 PM

190. We'll be blamed if he's not the dem candidate... we were blamed before on votes... I can

... see it coming looking at past events

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Response to senz (Original post)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 02:02 AM

69. Makes sense to me.

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Response to TryLogic (Reply #69)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 03:25 AM

83. It does make sense.

 

Each one of those 7 reasons rings true. Many of the people in BLM are young, sensitive, and aware -- much like their white millennial counterparts. The links in the article, especially the tweets, sounded like sharp, clear-thinking people. It's possible that their parents or grandparents might feel residual fondness for the Clintons because the Clintons were the only Democrats in a long stretch of Republicans -- Reagan, Bush I, Bush II -- so where were they going to go? But Hillary is so far removed from the needs, the suffering and frustration of young black people. I could see that in the video of her talking in such a high-handed way with BLM protesters who were so earnest, so real with her, and she gave no indication of appreciating it.

They can see these things. Then, when they get a chance to encounter Bernie, it's like day and night. Bernie respects people. Bernie does not consider himself special or chosen or upper class. He's down to earth and real. I absolutely loved the account of his meeting Sandra Bland's mother and sister. Check it out here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251684857 It's beautiful, worth a read.

Bernie would be a wonderful president for people of color.

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Response to senz (Reply #83)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 10:07 AM

173. That's exactly why the DNC/Clinton nexus is limiting debates.

 

It's to prevent that exposure for the lesser known candidates.

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Response to senz (Original post)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 08:06 AM

91. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, senz.

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Response to senz (Original post)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:30 PM

96. wait ... wut ... ?!

which black people am I supposed to listen to, again ... ?

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Response to senz (Original post)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:34 PM

97. K & R !!!

 


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Response to senz (Original post)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 02:00 PM

102. Oh hell

I thought this was a press release by #BLM. ijreview, FFS

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Response to senz (Original post)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 02:28 PM

114. Wait till they quote her, when asking her a question

There's a couple that she doesn't want to revisit during the primaries.

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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 03:35 PM

124. You present this as though they're speaking for Black Lives Matter. They're only a handful....

....of Black Lives Matter "SUPPORTERS", they don't speak for BLM nor do they speak for ALL BLM supporters.

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Response to George II (Reply #124)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:01 PM

130. that's right. Those who speak for all blm and all poc

 

are right here on DU. They have said so again and again.

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Response to 2pooped2pop (Reply #130)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 08:18 PM

159. .....

This!

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Response to senz (Original post)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:35 PM

149. She's HORRIBLE.

 

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Response to senz (Original post)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:13 PM

153. obviously they don't listen to the DU pretenders

 

that don't speak for them

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Response to senz (Original post)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:22 PM

154. Kicked and recommended!

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Response to senz (Original post)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:54 PM

157. I don't know what BLM report card is for Obama, but we need a Congress that will address

these issues. The President can only do so much. Whether it be Hillary or Bernie in the WH, we have to get a majority in the Senate and more Dems in the House. Never forget that the Republicans are the reason the country is so f...d up. And that's a fact. Yeah, there's some Dems that need to be ousted, but people need to get out and vote.

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Response to senz (Original post)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 09:09 AM

164. I've expected

that many would do so.

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Response to senz (Original post)

Sun Dec 6, 2015, 02:02 AM

174. That's actually very interesting

 

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Response to senz (Original post)

Sun Dec 6, 2015, 08:29 AM

177. However, BLM praised Bernie Sanders' racial justice platform.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/08/10/3689728/after-repeated-protests-bernie-sanders-releases-racial-justice-platform/

If this has been said before, I apologize. I have not read the thread. It probably bears repeating, anyway, though.

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Response to senz (Original post)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 06:06 AM

183. kick

 

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Response to senz (Original post)

Wed Dec 23, 2015, 07:24 AM

186. Even though Bill Clinton went on Arsenio Hall's show and black people felt he

was their President. Bill Clinton never did anything to assist urban black communities. Not only that, he instituted a lot of laws to disenfranchise poor people and the worst of the worst was DADT, DOMA and three strikes you are out. Can you imagine a teen at 17 got caught with a small amount of substance three times and getting life? What is wrong with the western world, we punish people and never seek to rehabilitate them! No wonder Europe is so much more progressive. We punish and they rehabilitate! And we call ourselves the leader! Guess we lead in prisoners incarcerated!

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