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Mon Nov 30, 2015, 10:15 PM

45 to 1

Story tonight on NPR relates that Clinton has a 45 to 1 edge over Sanders in endorsements by elected officials - local, state and federal level. Don't ask me to prove the info is correct; I am assuming NPR would not declare that as a fact if it weren't so.
I would love to see the spin of how this equates to Bernie "will" or "can" win. I probably wouldn't be able to follow the circuitous logic since most of the more rabid folks in that camp are on my Ignore list.
45 to 1 is a staggering figure.

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Reply 45 to 1 (Original post)
SCantiGOP Nov 2015 OP
Xipe Totec Nov 2015 #1
George II Dec 2015 #42
riversedge Dec 2015 #57
onehandle Nov 2015 #2
brooklynite Nov 2015 #10
LonePirate Nov 2015 #19
okasha Dec 2015 #21
LonePirate Dec 2015 #22
okasha Dec 2015 #25
riversedge Dec 2015 #58
George II Dec 2015 #28
randome Dec 2015 #44
msanthrope Dec 2015 #63
Control-Z Dec 2015 #66
msanthrope Dec 2015 #67
Control-Z Dec 2015 #68
Romulox Nov 2015 #3
jwirr Nov 2015 #5
George II Dec 2015 #31
George II Dec 2015 #55
Historic NY Nov 2015 #4
NurseJackie Nov 2015 #18
George II Dec 2015 #30
jkbRN Nov 2015 #6
George II Dec 2015 #32
MoonRiver Dec 2015 #35
Alfresco Dec 2015 #41
Lucky Luciano Nov 2015 #7
Hepburn Dec 2015 #50
tularetom Nov 2015 #8
dsc Nov 2015 #9
brooklynite Nov 2015 #11
CajunBlazer Dec 2015 #29
sleepyvoter Nov 2015 #12
NCTraveler Dec 2015 #36
Hepburn Dec 2015 #51
NCTraveler Dec 2015 #53
Hepburn Dec 2015 #56
NCTraveler Dec 2015 #59
Sheepshank Dec 2015 #46
Armstead Nov 2015 #13
postatomic Nov 2015 #17
okasha Dec 2015 #23
Armstead Dec 2015 #24
okasha Dec 2015 #33
randome Dec 2015 #47
Armstead Dec 2015 #48
Hepburn Dec 2015 #52
postatomic Nov 2015 #14
Half-Century Man Dec 2015 #79
postatomic Dec 2015 #80
Crystalite Nov 2015 #15
Live and Learn Nov 2015 #16
ibegurpard Dec 2015 #20
George II Dec 2015 #26
brooklynite Dec 2015 #27
NurseJackie Dec 2015 #34
NCTraveler Dec 2015 #37
George II Dec 2015 #39
demwing Dec 2015 #38
George II Dec 2015 #40
Alfresco Dec 2015 #49
Sheepshank Dec 2015 #43
George II Dec 2015 #45
Gothmog Dec 2015 #54
frylock Dec 2015 #61
Gothmog Dec 2015 #65
frylock Dec 2015 #71
Trajan Dec 2015 #60
frylock Dec 2015 #62
Blue_Adept Dec 2015 #64
frylock Dec 2015 #70
qwlauren35 Dec 2015 #69
SmittynMo Dec 2015 #78
Cha Dec 2015 #72
SCantiGOP Dec 2015 #73
Cha Dec 2015 #74
Number23 Dec 2015 #75
SmittynMo Dec 2015 #76
CBGLuthier Dec 2015 #77
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Response to SCantiGOP (Original post)

Mon Nov 30, 2015, 10:17 PM

1. It ain't over till the fat lady sings.

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Response to Xipe Totec (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 01:22 PM

42. The fat lady is now in the wings doing voice exercises.

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Response to George II (Reply #42)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 02:40 PM

57. Good one..

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Response to SCantiGOP (Original post)

Mon Nov 30, 2015, 10:20 PM

2. And she has a lead of more than that ratio of states by 'real people'...

...as the 'Not Hillary' Party calls them.

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Response to onehandle (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 30, 2015, 10:57 PM

10. The Sanders Brigade philosophy is that political endorsements aren't important...

Last edited Tue Dec 1, 2015, 12:52 AM - Edit history (1)

...except for Nina Turner.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #10)

Mon Nov 30, 2015, 11:59 PM

19. Most endorsements are little more than short-term publicity stunts as people forget them soon after.

Few endorsements actually change minds or votes. People generally (but not always) care more about what their neighbor or co-worker thinks than what some politician is favoring.

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #19)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 12:08 AM

21. Superdelegates are convention votes.

Yeah, they're important.

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Response to okasha (Reply #21)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 12:12 AM

22. They matter to the candidate but not to the typical voter.

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #22)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 12:21 AM

25. They matter to anyone. who has a firm preference

for a particular candidate.

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #19)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 02:41 PM

58. When I canvass I remind people which local politician has endorsed Hillary. Reminders are good

things.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #10)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 01:01 AM

28. Or Ben and Jerry. He's got the corporatist ice cream lobby sewed up.

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Response to George II (Reply #28)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 01:30 PM

44. Or Cornel West.

 

[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem (1992)
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Response to brooklynite (Reply #10)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 03:45 PM

63. There's also Killer Mike. nt

 

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #63)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 04:25 PM

66. I feel stupid

but who the hell is Killer Mike? I've seen the name a few times but have no clue. And I don't care enough, I guess, to Google it. Lol

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Response to Control-Z (Reply #66)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 04:27 PM

67. Some musician that generated a lot of threads here. nt

 

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #67)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 04:37 PM

68. Thanks.

I guess he's famous?

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Response to SCantiGOP (Original post)

Mon Nov 30, 2015, 10:20 PM

3. That means that the men in smokey back rooms have selected her. It's the opposite of democracy. nt

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Response to Romulox (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 30, 2015, 10:23 PM

5. In fact it cannot even be called an election.

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Response to Romulox (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 01:04 AM

31. Several hundred WOMEN have endorsed her too.

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Response to Romulox (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 02:34 PM

55. 52 of the Representatives and 13 of the Senators who have endorsed ("selected") her are WOMEN.

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Response to SCantiGOP (Original post)

Mon Nov 30, 2015, 10:22 PM

4. She just picked up the Gov of NH and Vermont..endorsements

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Response to Historic NY (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 30, 2015, 11:43 PM

18. yay! :-)

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Response to Historic NY (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 01:03 AM

30. She's had the Vermont Governor endorsement for several months, as well as.........

....the endorsement of the Mayor of Burlington, Bernie's home town.

Now THAT is a kick in the face!

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Response to SCantiGOP (Original post)

Mon Nov 30, 2015, 10:28 PM

6. NPR.....LOL....

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Response to jkbRN (Reply #6)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 01:05 AM

32. The only people I've ever seen who "LOL" at NPR have been republicans. Hmmmm.

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Response to George II (Reply #32)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 12:19 PM

35. Same here. Isn't that odd?

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Response to George II (Reply #32)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 01:20 PM

41. Very Curious. Could it be?

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Response to SCantiGOP (Original post)

Mon Nov 30, 2015, 10:29 PM

7. In other news, the establishment supports the establishment. nt

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Response to Lucky Luciano (Reply #7)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 02:18 PM

50. +1

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Response to SCantiGOP (Original post)

Mon Nov 30, 2015, 10:32 PM

8. Assuming that the endorsers each have one vote like every other American

those endorsements don't mean jack shit.

But see, the problem for Clinton is not so much whether or not she has the nomination sewn up. She may have already gamed the process sufficiently to ensure that she will be the candidate.

But her problems have just begun once she is nominated. About that time she can expect a mountain of shit to come out regarding influence peddling from the State Department, shady dealing inside the Clinton foundation, and the continuing fallout from emailgate. Not to mention the Clinton scandals from the good old days.

She has as good a chance of being under indictment by the time of the election as she does of actually being elected POTUS.

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Response to tularetom (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 30, 2015, 10:55 PM

9. many of them have considerably more than one vote

I don't know the exact number of voters a delegate is supposed to represent but it is way more than 1 and many of those endorsers are delegates.

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Response to tularetom (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 30, 2015, 10:58 PM

11. Actually, most of the, are much more important

Federal office holders and Governor's all serve as Convention Delegates.

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Response to tularetom (Reply #8)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 01:02 AM

29. And that's just the ticked off Bernie supporters.

After that Republican attacks will be a breeze.

Seriously now, all of that has the sound of wishful thinking. Already to date she has been the most carefully vetted candidate in recent history.

And I can see it now: Hillary vs. Mr. Text Book Narcissistic Complex, or Hillary against Mr. I Really Did Try to Stab My Best Friend, or Hillary vs. Mr. I Shut down the Government Twice. The press will have a field day with those guys.

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Response to SCantiGOP (Original post)

Mon Nov 30, 2015, 11:02 PM

12. Clinton had the same amount of endorsements at the same time at 2007

 

Once the real numbers come through, then it will be painfully obvious that Clinton is not the choice of Democrats.

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Response to sleepyvoter (Reply #12)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 12:27 PM

36. "Clinton had the same amount of endorsements at the same time at 2007"

 

Link?

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #36)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 02:20 PM

51. List of Hillary Clinton presidential campaign endorsements, 2008

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Response to Hepburn (Reply #51)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 02:29 PM

53. Doesn't back what the poster said.

 

Thanks.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #53)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 02:37 PM

56. LOL! Of course not...it doesn't support your allegation! n/t

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Response to Hepburn (Reply #56)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 02:41 PM

59. I made no allegation. Literally.

 

What are you talking about?

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Response to sleepyvoter (Reply #12)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 01:42 PM

46. Are you positive on that?

 

There are other links that tell us, this time around she learned her lesson about not playing to delegates and realized the importance of endrosements. So you will need to back up your assertions.

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Response to SCantiGOP (Original post)

Mon Nov 30, 2015, 11:02 PM

13. Yeah...Inertia and name rercognition and political and intellectual laziness....

 

She's probably got the Dem nom locked up.

But unless the GOP nominates a real dickwad, she's not going to find such easy sledding in the General.

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Response to Armstead (Reply #13)

Mon Nov 30, 2015, 11:16 PM

17. "she's not going to find such easy sledding in the General."

I couldn't agree more, which is why she has been looking past the nomination and toward the General.

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Response to Armstead (Reply #13)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 12:13 AM

23. Which GOP potential candidate isn't a dickwad?

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Response to okasha (Reply #23)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 12:19 AM

24. I should have amended to total unelectable dickwad

 

They're all dick wads in the collective opionion of Democrats,liberals,progressives. But they do have good luck in convincing nonpartisan types that they' are not dickwads. I was referring to absolutely beyond the pale ones, not the typically offensive ones.

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Response to Armstead (Reply #24)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 01:06 AM

33. I think it's going to be Jeb.

And I think Hillary will beat him handily. Most of the crazies have no traction, and the Republican "elders" are just as scared of Trump and Carson as the rest of us.

And Jeb is a dickwad.

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Response to Armstead (Reply #13)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 01:49 PM

47. They are all unelectable dickwads. Every single one of them.

 

[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem (1992)
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Response to randome (Reply #47)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 01:51 PM

48. I agree, but alas, many don't

 

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Response to Armstead (Reply #13)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 02:21 PM

52. IMO, we lose the GE if HRC gets the nomination. n/t

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Response to SCantiGOP (Original post)

Mon Nov 30, 2015, 11:07 PM

14. I'm guessing this means 'still in office'

In terms of actual people it's more like 85 to 1.

Hillary Clinton has just passed previous nominees before Iowa in terms of clinching the nomination.



All the details here:

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-endorsement-primary/

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Response to postatomic (Reply #14)

Wed Dec 2, 2015, 06:27 AM

79. No snark, however

I see only one line documenting her endorsements. I assume it is from the current cycle.
Is there a line indicating her endorsements from her last run?
A comparison between the two runs for nomination would be helpful.

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Response to Half-Century Man (Reply #79)

Wed Dec 2, 2015, 01:13 PM

80. Yes, it's from the 2016 Cycle

The comparisons are all the candidates that were nominated, so it doesn't show her endorsements in 2008.... since she wasn't the nominee. It also doesn't show Obama or Bill Clinton in their re-election nominations. Hope that is helpful.


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Response to SCantiGOP (Original post)

Mon Nov 30, 2015, 11:09 PM

15. 9 out of 10 dentists prefer Crest toothpaste.

 

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Response to SCantiGOP (Original post)

Mon Nov 30, 2015, 11:11 PM

16. So the odds are on the "WE CAN'T" candidate. No thanks. nt

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Response to SCantiGOP (Original post)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 12:01 AM

20. I don't give a shit who endorses her

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Response to SCantiGOP (Original post)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 12:47 AM

26. Sanders is currently ahead in the polls for ONE state. Guess which one that is?

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Response to George II (Reply #26)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 12:53 AM

27. ...also won by Paul Tsongas and Howard Dean...

...the next door effect only gets you so far.

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Response to George II (Reply #26)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 11:57 AM

34. LOL

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Response to George II (Reply #26)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 12:30 PM

37. Lots of work for his fifty state landslide.

 

Or maybe they were saying he was going to lose all fifty. I can't keep it straight anymore.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #37)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 01:11 PM

39. Well, I guess if he won all 50 states he'd be assailed as a "corporatist" in the pocket of....

...the oligarchy and "Wall Shhhtreet".

So maybe his strategy is indeed to lose all 50 states?

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Response to SCantiGOP (Original post)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 12:31 PM

38. Completely unscientific

 

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Response to SCantiGOP (Original post)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 01:17 PM

40. Here is a complete and comprehensive list of endorsements of all kinds...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endorsements_for_the_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016

This list is very well maintained and updated almost as endorsements are announced.

If we were to zero in on only Governors, Senators, and Representatives (the office-holders with whom a President has to have the cooperation), Clinton actually has a margin of 194 to 2:

Martin O'Malley - 0 Governors, 0 Senators, 1 Representative
Bernard Sanders - 0 Governors, 0 Senators, 2 Representatives
Hillary Clinton - 13 Governors, 38 Senators, 143 Representatives

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Response to George II (Reply #40)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 02:16 PM

49. Hillary is Dominating

Thanks for the link.

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Response to SCantiGOP (Original post)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 01:26 PM

43. I heard that very same NPR item yesterday

 

I was looking for the back up info, realizing that there will be those calling for it.

Since I can't find the clip of the news item, but I will give you my support, K&R and confirmation that I'd heard the same thing.

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #43)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 01:35 PM

45. See post #40 right above yours - a complete list of major office-holder endorsements for all 3.

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Response to SCantiGOP (Original post)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 02:30 PM

54. Clinton is setting a record in endorsements according to Nate Silver

According to Nate's scoring system, the relative values of endorsement are set forth below http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-endorsement-primary/

Hillary Clinton 452
Bernie Sanders 2
Martin O'Malley 1

This is a modern record according to Nate

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #54)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 02:51 PM

61. Collect the whole set.

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Response to frylock (Reply #61)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 04:13 PM

65. When you are campaigning for the nomination of the Democratic Party endorsements are important

Endorsements are important in the primary process and play a role on how many voters in the true base of the party will be basing their decisions. The number and percentage of endorsements of Hillary Clinton is truly impressive and shows wide support inside the base of the party (i.e., the people who volunteer and work each year on party efforts). Elected officials who got elected due to the efforts of the base of the party are important area of support in the primary process.

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #65)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 05:14 PM

71. How many of the 30% of voters registered as democrats encompass the base of the party?

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Response to SCantiGOP (Original post)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 02:49 PM

60. This is why

 

Because tens of millions of voters, including new voters, will swamp that rickety little boat with all those 'super delegates' ... like a tsunami ...

Now that we've gotten that out of the way ... Good bye ...

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Response to SCantiGOP (Original post)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 02:52 PM

62. Something that independents, unaffilated, and millennials don't give a shit about.

I'm sure a majority of the 30-something percent of registered democrats might care.

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Response to frylock (Reply #62)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 04:04 PM

64. Except that these superdelegates are the ones that get out there and campaign with her

And raise awareness, get out the vote and all that other stuff that millennials don't give a shit about either, right?

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Response to Blue_Adept (Reply #64)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 05:12 PM

70. Ask five millennials if they care more about their students loans..

or that superdelegates are backing the establishment candidate. Ask them which one of those will effect their vote.

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Response to SCantiGOP (Original post)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 04:43 PM

69. My candidate is also lacking in endorsements.

But there's still a lot of data that says she can win. What the campaign says all the time - endorsers are not voters. We're after voters.

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Response to qwlauren35 (Reply #69)

Wed Dec 2, 2015, 06:20 AM

78. The corrupt MSM want you to believe

she's killing it.

If you continually talk about the lies and total bullshit, eventually everyone will think it's true. That seems to be the concept.

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Response to SCantiGOP (Original post)

Wed Dec 2, 2015, 01:05 AM

72. LOve ya, SCantigop!

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Response to Cha (Reply #72)

Wed Dec 2, 2015, 02:29 AM

73. Why, thank you, Sir or Madam

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Response to SCantiGOP (Reply #73)

Wed Dec 2, 2015, 03:31 AM

74. Madam.. you're welcome.

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Response to SCantiGOP (Original post)

Wed Dec 2, 2015, 04:40 AM

75. K&R That is one hell of a mountain to climb

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Response to SCantiGOP (Original post)

Wed Dec 2, 2015, 05:47 AM

76. It's amazing to me how many

people in this thread are totally in their own little bubble, and will vote against their best interests.

These people say screw healthcare, education, and income inequality, just to mention a few. And to not realize and admit that Clinton is part of the 1% is ludicrous.

If you think Hillary is going to fix these issues, dream on. She's totally bought and paid for. How can people not see this?

I don't care what the polls say. I don't care what the delegate support indicates. I don't care if some union heads say they support the wrong person. What matters are the votes, and I feel that the votes this upcoming election will set a record for participation.

So what DO I care for? I DO care that my candidate is not bought by anyone, and has a huge record of trustworthiness. No one can even come close to Bernie in his stances for equality and rebuilding our democracy and the middle class. Doesn't that mean anything anymore? It does to me, big time.

But most of all, I DO care about my children, and grandchildren, and their future. One would think that if this were important to themselves, voting Bernie would be your only choice.

I clearly remember what it meant to have a true democracy in this country. That was at least 40 years ago. Life was good in general, jobs were plentiful, and people actually had a family life with a 40 hour work week. Most corporate jobs came with pensions and 0 out of pocket insurance. Not any more. Look around you. Are you pleased with what you see and what you make? Do you like working more hours for less? Do you still want the same ole politics as usual?

It's plain as day what needs to be done. Wake up and smell the coffee, while you can still get it.




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Response to SCantiGOP (Original post)

Wed Dec 2, 2015, 05:53 AM

77. So the estabishment status quo candidate is endorsed by the status quo establishment

The herd moves of its own accord with its own protection foremost in its motives.

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Response to SCantiGOP (Original post)

Wed Dec 2, 2015, 06:49 PM

81. I'm not the Chosen One

 

I just play one on TV .

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