Fri Nov 27, 2015, 06:22 PM

On his Tour de Victime/Mendace Charles Koch just challenged Bernie to a debate!

There it was front page Yahoo interview today, Koch throwing down the gauntlet, calling Bernie and others "liars" who are "afraid" to debate the Koch ideology and machine. It's a flat out challenge and open invitation to draw the hermetically protected Koch into an actual debate with a genuine fact based liberal opponent.

Charles Koch will look like the self-promoting coward he is if he tries to weasel out of this debate into which he just slurred Bernie and liberals. Bernie should loudly and repeatedly announce that he accepts Koch's challenge and demand this debate.

I don't think this violates DNC rules on candidates debates. But if it does, then have another excellent liberal, coherent messenger like Liz Warren or Sherrod Brown follow through with this opportunity to get a Koch into an actual debate of ideas (instead of the typically lying junk Charles' tour is currently peddling through the MSM.)

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On his Tour de Victime/Mendace Charles Koch just challenged Bernie to a debate! (Original post)	stuffmatters	Nov 2015	OP
Bernie does not engage in battles of wits with unarmed opponents. nt	Xipe Totec	Nov 2015	#1
I would clear my calendar and stock up on Beer and popcorn if this came to pass	Kilgore	Nov 2015	#2
Lovely	BeyondGeography	Nov 2015	#3
The Koch hubris to think a candidate for POTUS should debate a Koch, just because he's rich!	merrily	Nov 2015	#4
Is Koch adding his name to the clown list?	Rosa Luxemburg	Nov 2015	#5
I was just going to say it ain't to late to jump in Charlie. nt	Snotcicles	Nov 2015	#7
Taking this Debate would not be a smart move	firebrand80	Nov 2015	#6
Not Bernie, but a well known Progressive. They have been called out	libdem4life	Nov 2015	#8
Bernie: Don't bring up their father's empire was built with Joseph Stalin using Russian blood! nt	TheBlackAdder	Nov 2015	#9
Do you have a link	Andy823	Nov 2015	#10
Yahoo finance, "C.Koch: My body is full of harpoons"	stuffmatters	Nov 2015	#11
they make less excuses than Shkreli, they think they got their politics from thei polymer-chemistry	MisterP	Nov 2015	#12

Response to stuffmatters (Original post)

Fri Nov 27, 2015, 06:23 PM

Xipe Totec (43,373 posts)

1. Bernie does not engage in battles of wits with unarmed opponents. nt

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Fri Nov 27, 2015, 06:44 PM

Kilgore (1,726 posts)

2. I would clear my calendar and stock up on Beer and popcorn if this came to pass

You could not find better entertainment anywhere!

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Fri Nov 27, 2015, 07:11 PM

BeyondGeography (37,133 posts)

3. Lovely

Jump on it.

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Fri Nov 27, 2015, 07:11 PM

merrily (45,251 posts)

4. The Koch hubris to think a candidate for POTUS should debate a Koch, just because he's rich!

Bernie Sanders, 2016. Giving billionaire Libertarians a bad name!

Now, they think they're entitled to the benefit of the Equal Time doctrine. Go, Bernie!

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Fri Nov 27, 2015, 07:29 PM

Rosa Luxemburg (28,627 posts)

5. Is Koch adding his name to the clown list?

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 27, 2015, 07:49 PM

Snotcicles (9,089 posts)

7. I was just going to say it ain't to late to jump in Charlie. nt

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Response to stuffmatters (Original post)

Fri Nov 27, 2015, 07:38 PM

firebrand80 (2,760 posts)

6. Taking this Debate would not be a smart move

He's running for President. No reason to get sidetracked and bring himself down to that level.

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Fri Nov 27, 2015, 07:52 PM

libdem4life (13,877 posts)

8. Not Bernie, but a well known Progressive. They have been called out

by name and should be able to buy the airtime for a debate. If for no other reason than to tell us the improper pronunciation of there name.

We should take him up on it ... have both of them. Who would be up to the task?

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Fri Nov 27, 2015, 08:20 PM

TheBlackAdder (21,904 posts)

9. Bernie: Don't bring up their father's empire was built with Joseph Stalin using Russian blood! nt

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Fri Nov 27, 2015, 08:36 PM

Andy823 (11,440 posts)

10. Do you have a link

All I could find was him saying people who disagree with him are afraid to debate, but I found no mention at all of Bernie being challenged to such a debate, nor any of the other candidates.

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Response to Andy823 (Reply #10)

Fri Nov 27, 2015, 10:09 PM

stuffmatters (2,546 posts)

11. Yahoo finance, "C.Koch: My body is full of harpoons"

I read the summary of the interview under the tape. Sorry after enduring the three part Morning Joe tongue bath of this guy, I now just skip to the summaries for blood pressure reasons.
Now I watched the tape & you're right. Koch doesn't outright name Bernie but slurs all today's Liberals,"who've become people who want government to control people's lives" Later in the interview he said "those who want to control people's lives are apparently afraid to debate."

I still think those are fighting words and translate into a challenge to debate with a real Roosevelt liberal. It doesn't need to be Bernie,
just a clear speaking representative of Roosevelt Dem principles, the ideology that Koch's Father unilaterally opposed as a founder of the Birch Soc & of the Liberals whom today his sons claim are "people who want government to control people's lives."

When Koch claims that Liberals are "afraid to debate", it seems that Liberals (and their most Koch smeared reps) should seize the right to demand and get that debate. And that debate should be with the Koch slurer/accuser/liar in chief not with one of a Koch
puppet propagandists.

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Fri Nov 27, 2015, 11:38 PM

MisterP (23,730 posts)

12. they make less excuses than Shkreli, they think they got their politics from thei polymer-chemistry

knowledge, and David's reaction to almost burning to death wasn't "I have to rethink my life" but "wow, you can't take it with you--so I'm gonna make sure nobody ELSE can, either!"

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