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Thu Nov 26, 2015, 09:54 AM

 

To Date Bernie has never "Pimped" for the Fracking Industry

Too Bad the same can not be said for other candidates

How Hillary Clinton's State Department Sold Fracking to the World

A trove of secret documents details the US government's global push for shale gas.

Clinton urged Bulgarian officials to give fracking another chance. According to Borissov, she agreed to help fly in the "best specialists on these new technologies to present the benefits to the Bulgarian people." But resistance only grew. The following month in neighboring Romania, thousands of people gathered to protest another Chevron fracking project, and Romania's parliament began weighing its own shale gas moratorium. Again Clinton intervened, dispatching her special envoy for energy in Eurasia, Richard Morningstar, to push back against the fracking bans. The State Depart­ment's lobbying effort culminated in late May 2012, when Morningstar held a series of meetings on fracking with top Bulgarian and Romanian officials. He also touted the technology in an interview on Bulgarian national radio, saying it could lead to a fivefold drop in the price of natural gas. A few weeks later, Romania's parliament voted down its proposed fracking ban and Bulgaria's eased its moratorium.

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/09/hillary-clinton-fracking-shale-state-department-chevron




BUT Don't give up hope folks - Now she says she is against Fracking



Hillary Clinton Calls For Banning Fracking On Public Lands, With Some Conditions


DOVER, N.H., July 16 (Reuters) - U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton said on Thursday she would phase out extraction of fossil fuels on public lands if elected to the White House in 2016.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-fracking_55a7fdc8e4b04740a3df4b75



But don't worry folks she also issued one of the quickest about faces in political history with the very next sentence


Clinton said she would not stop the extraction right away, but would try to make the transition as quickly as possible.



Really ... you want to trust the future of country and our children's futures to ...

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Reply To Date Bernie has never "Pimped" for the Fracking Industry (Original post)
FreakinDJ Nov 2015 OP
Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #1
AlbertCat Nov 2015 #11
Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #19
MADem Nov 2015 #28
Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2015 #2
cantbeserious Nov 2015 #3
Zorra Nov 2015 #37
cantbeserious Nov 2015 #39
madokie Nov 2015 #4
INdemo Nov 2015 #8
fasttense Nov 2015 #32
leftofcool Nov 2015 #5
FreakinDJ Nov 2015 #6
MADem Nov 2015 #31
seabeyond Nov 2015 #10
GitRDun Nov 2015 #18
seabeyond Nov 2015 #20
senz Nov 2015 #33
seabeyond Nov 2015 #36
senz Nov 2015 #38
seabeyond Nov 2015 #45
MADem Nov 2015 #29
INdemo Nov 2015 #7
Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #9
MaggieD Nov 2015 #14
senz Nov 2015 #34
Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #47
senz Nov 2015 #49
leftofcool Nov 2015 #51
senz Nov 2015 #53
Major Hogwash Nov 2015 #12
MaggieD Nov 2015 #13
SHRED Nov 2015 #23
MaggieD Nov 2015 #24
SHRED Nov 2015 #25
EndElectoral Nov 2015 #15
SoapBox Nov 2015 #17
George II Nov 2015 #16
pangaia Nov 2015 #21
seabeyond Nov 2015 #22
George II Nov 2015 #46
MADem Nov 2015 #30
MADem Nov 2015 #26
senz Nov 2015 #41
JaneyVee Nov 2015 #27
beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #35
senz Nov 2015 #40
beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #42
Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2015 #43
senz Nov 2015 #44
WillyT Nov 2015 #48
Capt. Obvious Nov 2015 #50
senz Nov 2015 #54
beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #55
99Forever Nov 2015 #52
moobu2 Nov 2015 #56

Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 09:57 AM

1. But he does attend meetings of lobbyists of bank, energy and tobacco.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 11:40 AM

11. But he does attend meetings of lobbyists of bank, energy and tobacco.

 

A good idea if you are gonna "take them on".

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #11)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 11:48 AM

19. Yes, when is planning to initiate this, seems to me he would not have voted

For the Commodities Futures Modernization Act whish played a big part in the financial crisis.

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #11)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 01:08 PM

28. Like he "takes on" Lockheed Martin, of F-35, Drones, and Sandia Labs fame?

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 09:57 AM

2. So, no doubt,

she'll be pushing to sell public lands off dirt cheap to frackers, so fracking is on 'private lands'.

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 10:03 AM

3. IMHO - HRC - The Biggest Friend - Big Business Could Ever Have In The White House

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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 01:58 PM

37. Off topic, but that Oscar Wilde quote in your sig line is simple and perfect.

I love how the Wachowski brothers illustrated an illusory reality implanted into clueless, mindless people in order to use them as domestic animals for profit in the film The Matrix:

The Matrix is a 1999 American-Australian neo-noir science fiction action film written and directed by The Wachowskis....depicts a dystopian future in which reality as perceived by most humans is actually a simulated reality called "the Matrix", created by sentient machines to subdue the human population, while their bodies' heat and electrical activity are used as an energy source. Computer programmer "Neo" learns this truth and is drawn into a rebellion against the machines, which involves other people who have been freed from the "dream world".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Matrix


Bernie 2016.

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Response to Zorra (Reply #37)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 02:06 PM

39. Hi Zorra - Yes - Very Poignant - Just Like The Matrix - Great Movie Series

eom

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 10:10 AM

4. If the American People elect

Hillary Clinton our President we are Truly Fucked, six ways to Sunday
Granted I'll vote for her if she's the last one standing but I hope like hell that is not the case.

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Response to madokie (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 11:28 AM

8. We just have to work harder now to make sure that doesn't happen

If she is nominated it will be the first time in history that Democrats don't have a "Democrat" to vote for
Our choice will be
Republican A or Republican B

Could Hillary Clinton be a Republican?
http://www.the-conservative-underground.com/could-hillary-clinton-be-a-republican/

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Response to madokie (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 01:35 PM

32. Yup.

 

Hillary is just another term for Obama. What has he done? If you are happy with the state of our society, vote for Hillary. If you are unhappy with how things are, vote for Bernie.

If you are a crazy loon intent on pushing white supremacy, then vote RepubliCON. It's really very simple.

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 10:36 AM

5. Pimping?

A bit middle schoolish don't you think?

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 10:38 AM

6. Equal Opportunity Employer

 

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Response to FreakinDJ (Reply #6)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 01:25 PM

31. What does that even mean?

Are you incapable of expressing a thought without a crass, exploitative sexual reference?

Your thread title reflects on you, you know.

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 11:37 AM

10. Pimping, whoring and vagina seem to be the three arguments used on her. Makes it pretty clear,

 

How many who do not support her, feel defining her in certain manners.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 11:48 AM

18. The language some people use here is absolutely repulsive.

This OPer accused HRC of saying it's her turn in another OP. I objected. Another poster replied with Jim Messina and James Mann quotes saying it's Hillary's turn...called them flunkies and running dogs.

It seems to me that when you feel the need to get down to that base level of language what you are really saying is, "I've lost and I'm really angry about it."

Maybe it's something else, I don't know, but it sure isn't a good look. I hope they don't use that language when they engage people in the real world.

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Response to GitRDun (Reply #18)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 11:50 AM

20. No, it is not a good look. This poster knows it and chose this particular word for a reason. Nt.

 

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 01:38 PM

33. The OP is about fracking. Do you know what that is?

 

Do you even care?



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Response to senz (Reply #33)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 01:47 PM

36. I care about misogyny also. do you?

 

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #36)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 02:05 PM

38. I don't read misogyny in where none exists. Do you?

 

Misogyny is real and very present in the world and should certainly be fought on all fronts. But to constantly call out good people for misogyny when none is intended, not even subconsciously intended, is counterproductive and a waste of time. And to call out unintended misogyny as a means of deflecting a discussion is an underhanded tactic that does not speak well of the person who employs it.

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Response to senz (Reply #38)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 02:46 PM

45. because you choose not to see doesn't mean it is not happening.

 

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 01:11 PM

29. It's a misogynistic reference that goes over the heads of the "bro" culture, I'm afraid.

They just don't see the nuance. They think they're scoring a hit--they don't see that it's splashing back all over their own pant legs and shoes, and they'll be walking around smelling funny and looking spotty all the live-long day.

Wonder who in the chain of command decided that term would be a good idea...or did the thread starter come up with that gem on his own?

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 11:34 AM

9. There are so many lies told about fracking, that I must COMPLETELY discount the OP.

 

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #9)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 11:44 AM

14. As well you should - it's bullshit

 

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #9)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 01:41 PM

34. Better that than face the truth about Hillary.

 

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Response to senz (Reply #34)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 08:59 PM

47. That sounds like something you'd pull out of a fortune cookie. My suggestion:

 

leave it to the pros.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #47)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 09:24 PM

49. Mother Jones is a reputable source.

 

If you can't handle the truth about Hillary's activities then perhaps you'd best not read anything outside the Hillary Group. And do not get arrogant with me, Buzz Clik.

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Response to senz (Reply #49)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 11:20 PM

51. LMAO!

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #51)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 11:26 PM

53. Well I hope it don't fall off

 

sweetie.

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 11:43 AM

12. Bernie is not a corporation, Hillary is.

"Corporations are people too" via the CU decision.
Why else would she have a SuperPac already?
To be sure, the bankers have bought stock in that corporation.
Wall Street has bought stock in that corporation.
The DLC has bought stock in that corporation.
The DNC has bought stock in that corporation.

But, I'm not buying anything she says, or buying any stock in her corporation, either.

That's why I am voting for Bernie Sanders for President of the United States!!


Boo-yah!

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 11:43 AM

13. Educate yourself

 

Russia continues to cut off gas supplies and hold Eastern European countries hostage politically due to their need for heat.

THAT is why the United States promoted fracking. So they could get out from under Putin's thumb.

Educate yourself.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1106382/Europe-plunged-energy-crisis-Russia-cuts-gas-supply-Ukraine.html

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #13)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 12:31 PM

23. So the oil is ours and not the international market's?

 

When did we nationalize our petroleum industry? I must have missed that.

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Response to SHRED (Reply #23)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 12:37 PM

24. What are you talking about?

 

People in Eastern Europe should freeze to death on the whims of Russia because of elitist lefty principles here in the US?

Of all the dumb smears on Clinton this one is the epitome of extreme left elitism. It really is.

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #24)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 12:49 PM

25. Are you saying...

 

...that fracked oil from within the USA doesn't go on the open market but rather is earmarked for eastern Europe?

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 11:44 AM

15. BUT with some conditions. With Hilary, there is always a BUT in a sentence.

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Response to EndElectoral (Reply #15)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 11:47 AM

17. LOL

SO true!

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 11:46 AM

16. First she's called a "whore of Wall Street", now she's "pimping for the fracking industry"....

....where does this stop?

Can't people express opinions or point out positions of candidates without being derogatory and demeaning?

Sad that political commentary has to dip to such a low, low level.

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Response to George II (Reply #16)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 12:09 PM

21. As a strong Sanderd supporter, I agree with you.

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Response to pangaia (Reply #21)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 12:15 PM

22. This... I respect. I have Sanders supporters in real life. They dont play in misogyny to support

 

Sanders. Thank you.

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Response to pangaia (Reply #21)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 02:50 PM

46. Thank you very much, I appreciate that.

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Response to George II (Reply #16)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 01:14 PM

30. Never..because the "Bern-bros" think this kind of anti-woman language is useful, so they keep using

it.

They probably don't have much in the way of a clue as to how poorly it resonates with the thoughtful among us.

It's most assuredly a bridge too far.

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 01:05 PM

26. Gee, what a visceral word in your headline!! Proud of yourself for raising the level of discourse?

Think that kind of verbiage will change hearts and minds?

Likening anyone to someone who sells people, usually women, in a brutal, abusive and exploitative fashion is not the way to prosecute a winning argument...but you go on and keep taking that tack! Win yourself some friends and influence people...(not)....


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Response to MADem (Reply #26)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 02:13 PM

41. Cleverly ignoring the content of the OP. Nice deflection!

 

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 01:06 PM

27. Just The NRA.

 

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #27)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 01:42 PM

35. He must not be a very good pimp, they gave him a D minus rating.

Not Pimp Enough, Bernie!



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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #35)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 02:11 PM

40. !! Just finished reading Manny's "insignificant" thread

 

and as always am in awe of your incisive verbal dexterity in defense of all that is good and honorable, dear bmus! You are a treasure.

Happy Thanksgiving, friend.

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Response to senz (Reply #40)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 02:18 PM

42. Same to you, senz!

You're all kinds of awesome!


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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 02:25 PM

43. pimp: 2. To compromise one's principles, especially in promoting the interests of another,

 

2. To compromise one's principles, especially in promoting the interests of another, for personal gain

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/pimp

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #43)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 02:40 PM

44. Sanity.

 

Thanks, Tierra_y_Libertad.

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 09:01 PM

48. HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!

 


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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 10:47 PM

50. Jury results

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On Thu Nov 26, 2015, 11:52 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

To Date Bernie has never "Pimped" for the Fracking Industry
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251851434

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The poster's point could very easily have been made without the misogynistic slur. That is rude, insensitive and totally inappropriate.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Nov 26, 2015, 12:01 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

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Response to Capt. Obvious (Reply #50)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 11:44 PM

54. So glad no one fell for that. 0-7 is pretty good.

 

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Response to Capt. Obvious (Reply #50)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 11:48 PM

55. Pimp is a misogynistic slur?

I thought men were pimps and women were the other word?

I don't get DU sometimes.

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 11:23 PM

52. Pimped is exactly right.

And the primary victim of that pimping is Mother Earth.

For Oil Company PROFITS.

Someone should hang their head in shame.

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 11:50 PM

56. She was working as President Obama's Secretary Of State

and part of her job was advocating his agenda. Kind of sucks to hold someone accountable for doing their job well.

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