Tue Nov 24, 2015, 01:09 PM

Hillary Supporters' strategy becomes clear

Over these last couple of weeks the tone from some of the Hillary camp has changed. Sure, they've always been a bit condescending and superior, but lately they've employed new tactics to distract from the real issues.

1. Distort Bernie's positions, which includes telling half truths. An example is the current healthcare debate. Bernie wants to install a universal healthcare system based on Medicare, but all you hear from the Hillary camp is, "Bernie wants to raise taxes on the middle class!!" Well, I suppose this is true, but it doesn't tell the whole story. Bernie's healthcare legislation would impose a 2.2% tax on people earning <$250,000, and the tax would scale from there in a progressive fashion. However, the tax increase would be more than offset by eliminating private insurance payments and end up *saving* tax payers money overall. Funny how that last bit never seems to get mentioned.

2. Claim Bernie won't be able to get anything passed in Congress and that he's being dishonest to the American people. This one is just sad because it's a self fulfilling prophecy and partially explains why we don't have a more progressive government. If you aren't willing to vote for the candidate that wants a progressive agenda, how do you ever expect to get one passed through Congress? It's not that complicated.

3. Cite poll after poll after poll claiming Bernie can't win and his supporters are just wasting their time. First of all, it's never a waste of time to support a candidate you sincerely believe in. I know enthusiasm is something lacking from the Clinton campaign, but some people believe that we can make this country a better place. Electing Bernie is a big step toward achieving that goal. Secondly, it would be foolish to give up 2 months out from the first votes being cast. The race is tighter than anybody thought it would be, and there's still a long ways to go.

4. Ignore facts at the convenience of their own beliefs. It's called cognitive dissonance, and boy is it ripe these days. Never mind the fact that Clinton's agenda and tone these last few weeks has echoed Republicans (Invoking 9/11 during the debate, campaigning against Universal Healthcare because it "raises taxes on the middle class"

, but they pretend that Bernie doesn't offer any concrete policy proposals and that even if he did he doesn't offer a way to pay for them. Look, we're all adults here. We can all do our own research. The fact is, Bernie has offered detailed policy plans on a number of issues and ways to pay for them. I posted a handful on this very board about a month ago, all of which came directly from his website. If you were really concerned about what Bernie is proposing and how he intends to pay for it then you'd be out there looking up the information. It is readily available.

5. Turn anything Bernie related into something negative. There was a post yesterday about Bernie eating lunch, and a Hillary supporter came in just to post something derogatory. Seriously.

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Hillary Supporters' strategy becomes clear (Original post)	HerbChestnut	Nov 2015	OP
This message board isn't a battle to be won.	Orsino	Nov 2015	#1
You're right	HerbChestnut	Nov 2015	#3
Herb, actually Hillary's mostly focusing on the GOP candidates.	Hortensis	Nov 2015	#20
She's made some swipes against Bernie lately	HerbChestnut	Nov 2015	#22
Whatever. I personally think we should all be shuddering	Hortensis	Nov 2015	#25
I agree to a point.	HerbChestnut	Nov 2015	#26
IMO the candidate who best represents us MUST be	Hortensis	Nov 2015	#29
I think we can kill two birds with one stone.	HerbChestnut	Nov 2015	#38
Hope so. Cruz is picking up the evangelicals Carson	Hortensis	Nov 2015	#40
The argument here is about who the candidate is that can bring voters to the polls and beat	JDPriestly	Nov 2015	#55
Come on, that works both ways....	msrizzo	Nov 2015	#60
Then why is she moving rightward so early?	JDPriestly	Nov 2015	#51
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Nov 2015	#91
It's only on DU that this is a 'thing.'	MADem	Nov 2015	#54
:) I wasn't here for Kucinich, but, I can see it. Sure.	Hortensis	Nov 2015	#92
This...	Agschmid	Nov 2015	#17
Some of it's to be fought here.	freedom fighter jh	Nov 2015	#44
You forgot "Hope Bernie runs out of money and has to drop out before the convention." n/t	dogknob	Nov 2015	#2
He won't run out of money--he's embraced the Super Pac concept.	MADem	Nov 2015	#57
All true. But the one thing they won't do is talk about issues. And the main they have failed to do	sabrina 1	Nov 2015	#4
The thing with polls is it very easy to see if a claim about them is true	Godhumor	Nov 2015	#10
The other thing with polls is there are so many of them. Like this one eg, which shows	sabrina 1	Nov 2015	#21
She also pooh-poohed the idea of attending a MoveOn.org debate.	Major Hogwash	Nov 2015	#63
+1	Historic NY	Nov 2015	#27
Kick	UglyGreed	Nov 2015	#5
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!!	WillyT	Nov 2015	#6
And the results are-----	LiberalArkie	Nov 2015	#7
Yep, saw it coming.	HerbChestnut	Nov 2015	#9
Yea, but we have a few more months for people to make fools of	LiberalArkie	Nov 2015	#15
OMG!	SoapBox	Nov 2015	#34
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo..........	Plucketeer	Nov 2015	#69
And the poster has not joined any of the sects here.	LiberalArkie	Nov 2015	#8
TBH here's the difference between supporters on DU	FrostyAusty	Nov 2015	#11
Because we don't need to make up shit	upaloopa	Nov 2015	#14
Keep drinking the Clinton Kool-aid	FrostyAusty	Nov 2015	#16
Except to call Sanders a rapist.	Scootaloo	Nov 2015	#81
++ good	Vincardog	Nov 2015	#19
True and well said.	senz	Nov 2015	#41
Perfectly said. Excatly the way i would put it.	litlbilly	Nov 2015	#52
Strategy? We don't need no stinking strategy	upaloopa	Nov 2015	#12
See point #3	HerbChestnut	Nov 2015	#13
So you think your candidate is inevitable then? Well great keep on thinking that way	sabrina 1	Nov 2015	#23
mmm yes sweet complacency	retrowire	Nov 2015	#31
Bernie supporters are counting on that for the win.	JimDandy	Nov 2015	#39
.	bravenak	Nov 2015	#32
Confidence of winners. No need to go negative when your candidate is on her way to the White House.	Laser102	Nov 2015	#33
When They Say Bernie Won't Be Able To Get Anything Passed In Congress....	global1	Nov 2015	#18
/\_/\_This right here_/\_/\	Scuba	Nov 2015	#24
Great post. Thank you /nt	think	Nov 2015	#30
Summed it up well.	bvar22	Nov 2015	#47
I disagree - Hillary would be able to get things passed in Congress	tularetom	Nov 2015	#62
Ya know, I think if Clinton proposed those, the Republicans would still have to oppose them	jeff47	Nov 2015	#67
Great post!	Major Hogwash	Nov 2015	#64
If a Republican votes for any Clinton-backed bill, they will lose their next primary.	jeff47	Nov 2015	#66
Right out of Karl Rove's playbook.	dpatbrown	Nov 2015	#28
Makes One Wonder If Rove Is On Retainer	cantbeserious	Nov 2015	#80
this is a natural result of the rightwing stench she has always had	stupidicus	Nov 2015	#35
Not sure if someone addressed this	ejbr	Nov 2015	#36
FDR, Truman and LBJ all fought for single-payer.	jeff47	Nov 2015	#68
+1 n/t	ejbr	Nov 2015	#70
It has been trending Reagan	Fairgo	Nov 2015	#37
LOL	bvar22	Nov 2015	#48
My reaction	BootinUp	Nov 2015	#42
LOL. Everyone knows about 'Bernie supporters'.	JaneyVee	Nov 2015	#43
Who needs strategy when you are winning?	McCamy Taylor	Nov 2015	#45
Winning without a clear idea of what one hopes to accomplish	guillaumeb	Nov 2015	#61
How is she winning?	Major Hogwash	Nov 2015	#65
Like this?	cui bono	Nov 2015	#78
This message was self-deleted by its author	Corruption Inc	Nov 2015	#46
Uugh	smiley	Nov 2015	#53
It's clearly reality based when talking about the DU	ConservativeDemocrat	Nov 2015	#76
Aaaawe...Thatcher's getting under their skin. Truth hurts.	in_cog_ni_to	Nov 2015	#83
The guy talking about "cognitive dissonance" is calling others "condescending".	JoePhilly	Nov 2015	#49
K&R!	marym625	Nov 2015	#50
In all fairness,	merrily	Nov 2015	#56
There are Hillary supporters on this forum?	Trajan	Nov 2015	#58
Thanks for the explanation.	Betty Karlson	Nov 2015	#59
clearly there is a huge rift within the party: time to stop pretending	noiretextatique	Nov 2015	#71
I wonder why I never heard of this "strategy".	George II	Nov 2015	#72
Really, George? Because you use #s 1, 4 and 5 frequently.	beam me up scottie	Nov 2015	#74
Good Vent	Paka	Nov 2015	#73
Thank you for taking the time and having the patience to write this thread	Samantha	Nov 2015	#75
Must we have an us versus them between ourselves?	Cary	Nov 2015	#77
Huge K & R !!!	Thespian2	Nov 2015	#79
After the kamikaze campaign Clinton ran in 2007/08, pay her fans no never mind.	AtomicKitten	Nov 2015	#82
Kicked and recommended a whole bunch!	Enthusiast	Nov 2015	#84
They Lie And Even Worse Censor	billhicks76	Nov 2015	#85
Try to get your facts straight.	DanTex	Nov 2015	#86
Yes, the strategy is very clear	Tarc	Nov 2015	#87
So? Are they supposed to roll over?	treestar	Nov 2015	#88
But ponies and unicorns! Or something....	blackspade	Nov 2015	#89
Nonsense. And the attacks on Hillary from the Bernie side are CONSTANT and MUCH MORE. Enough.	RBInMaine	Nov 2015	#90

Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Tue Nov 24, 2015, 01:13 PM

Orsino (37,428 posts)

1. This message board isn't a battle to be won.

The real fight's outside.

Hillary Supporters' strategy becomes clear

1. This message board isn't a battle to be won.

3. You're right

20. Herb, actually Hillary's mostly focusing on the GOP candidates.

22. She's made some swipes against Bernie lately

25. Whatever. I personally think we should all be shuddering

26. I agree to a point.

29. IMO the candidate who best represents us MUST be

38. I think we can kill two birds with one stone.

40. Hope so. Cruz is picking up the evangelicals Carson

55. The argument here is about who the candidate is that can bring voters to the polls and beat

60. Come on, that works both ways....

51. Then why is she moving rightward so early?

54. It's only on DU that this is a 'thing.'

92. :) I wasn't here for Kucinich, but, I can see it. Sure.

17. This...

44. *Some* of it's to be fought here.

2. You forgot "Hope Bernie runs out of money and has to drop out before the convention." n/t

57. He won't run out of money--he's embraced the Super Pac concept.

4. All true. But the one thing they won't do is talk about issues. And the main they have failed to do

10. The thing with polls is it very easy to see if a claim about them is true

21. The other thing with polls is there are so many of them. Like this one eg, which shows

63. She also pooh-poohed the idea of attending a MoveOn.org debate.

27. +1

5. Kick

6. HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!!

7. And the results are-----

9. Yep, saw it coming.

15. Yea, but we have a few more months for people to make fools of

34. OMG!

69. Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo..........

8. And the poster has not joined any of the sects here.

11. TBH here's the difference between supporters on DU

14. Because we don't need to make up shit

16. Keep drinking the Clinton Kool-aid

81. Except to call Sanders a rapist.

19. ++ good

41. True and well said.

52. Perfectly said. Excatly the way i would put it.

12. Strategy? We don't need no stinking strategy

13. See point #3

23. So you think your candidate is inevitable then? Well great keep on thinking that way

31. mmm yes sweet complacency

39. Bernie supporters are counting on that for the win.

32. .

33. Confidence of winners. No need to go negative when your candidate is on her way to the White House.

18. When They Say Bernie Won't Be Able To Get Anything Passed In Congress....

24. /\_/\_This right here_/\_/\

30. Great post. Thank you /nt

47. Summed it up well.

62. I disagree - Hillary would be able to get things passed in Congress

67. Ya know, I think if Clinton proposed those, the Republicans would still have to oppose them

64. Great post!

66. If a Republican votes for any Clinton-backed bill, they will lose their next primary.

28. Right out of Karl Rove's playbook.

80. Makes One Wonder If Rove Is On Retainer

35. this is a natural result of the rightwing stench she has always had

36. Not sure if someone addressed this

68. FDR, Truman and LBJ all fought for single-payer.

70. +1 n/t

37. It has been trending Reagan

48. LOL

42. My reaction

43. LOL. Everyone knows about 'Bernie supporters'.

45. Who needs strategy when you are winning?

61. Winning without a clear idea of what one hopes to accomplish

65. How is she winning?

78. Like this?

53. Uugh

76. It's clearly reality based when talking about the DU

83. Aaaawe...Thatcher's getting under their skin. Truth hurts.

49. The guy talking about "cognitive dissonance" is calling others "condescending".

50. K&R!

56. In all fairness,

58. There are Hillary supporters on this forum?

59. Thanks for the explanation.

71. clearly there is a huge rift within the party: time to stop pretending

72. I wonder why I never heard of this "strategy".

74. Really, George? Because you use #s 1, 4 and 5 frequently.

73. Good Vent

44. Some of it's to be fought here.