I have no time to relive the Reagan years, and no desire to see us elect our own Margaret Thatcher.

[left lowrider]

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Love this guy. . . . calls it like it is.

Since the Hillary supporters don't seem to be listening past the Thatcher statement I thought I might add a few more quotes that are less sensational but hard to deny

"I'm not here to talk about benevolent politicians that are going to come and save the day for you. I'm not here to talk about the dream that you think is unattainable so you settle for less. I'm not here to talk about utopian society where everyone is forgiven and no one has to pay for past debts."

"I am here as a proponent of the liberal revolution that says healthcare is a right. I am here because working class and poor people deserve a chance at economic freedom. And yes, if you work 40 hours a week — you should not be in poverty. While here, I have to tell you that in my heart of hearts, in my heart of hearts, I fully believe that Sen. Bernie Sanders is the right man to lead this country. I believe it because he, unlike any other candidate, said I would like to restore the Voting Rights Act. He, unlike any other candidate, said I wish to end this illegal war on drugs. Unlike any other candidate in my life, he said that education should be free."

"I'm not here to talk about benevolent politicians that are going to come and save the day for you. I'm not here to talk about the dream that you think is unattainable so you settle for less. I'm not here to talk about utopian society where everyone is forgiven and no one has to pay for past debts."

[99th_Monkey]

1. I'm running out of adjectives .. a brilliant, awesome, epic, incredible .. speech by Killer Mike

Woot! Go Bernie!!

[Baitball Blogger]

2. +1

[Hortensis]

11. Now Hillary's a hard-core right winger? Very silly.

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Addendum: BTW, I don't know this killer mike guy, so I'll just point out that his statement could be seen as pure dog-whistle sexism, stereotyping what people like least about women -- seeing the "rhymes with witch"es in power (quoting Barbara Bush on First Lady Hillary Clinton). I'm sure many will be pointing that out (!) so he can choose his words more carefully in future if he did not intend that.

“I usually make up my mind about a man in ten seconds, and I very rarely change it.”
― Margaret Thatcher

[dogknob]

13. Part of her strategy in 2008 was to openly compare herself to Thatcher

The trumpeting of Lady Thatcher's qualities by Mr Penn, who has advised Gordon Brown and Tony Blair and is close to other senior Labour party figures, will confirm the suspicions of liberal Democrats that he and Mrs Clinton were out of step with the party's progressive wing and grassroots.

Joe Trippi, a veteran Democratic strategist who was a top adviser to the rival John Edwards campaign, said: "It's hard to run as Margaret Thatcher and be change. That was Hillary Clinton's whole problem.

"As a role model, it just goes against the grain and to try to map your strategy around that personality is not dealing with reality, both ideologically and in terms of the different era. Thatcher had the Falklands, George Bush had Iraq - we've got the exact opposite of the Thatcher situation."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/democrats/2548253/Hillary-Clintons-failed-strategy-inspired-by-Margaret-Thatcher.html

I guess the stunning turnout for Thatcher's funeral has cooled that particular approach to marketing HRC:

[Dcoast]

16. killer mike never said taht

but you just did.


stop projecting.

[Hortensis]

24. Right. HRC NEVER compared her ideology to Thatcher's.

Again, it's just plain silly to pretend that could be so.

Now, admiring Thatcher's toughness is another thing, the iron "rhymes-with-witch" (to quote another such, Barbara Bush, referring to First Lady Hillary) that she was.

“When I'm out of politics I'm going to run a business, it'll be called rent-a-spine.”
― Margaret Thatcher

[LiberalLovinLug]

61. “I usually make up my mind about a man in ten seconds, and I very rarely change it.” - MT

"I don't know this killer mike guy, so I'll just point out...."

Congratulations, you have a lot in common with the Iron Lady. And you also support Hillary. Hmmmmmmm

[rhett o rick]

69. Of course not, what a silly question. But she agrees with the Republicons on a lot of issues. nm

[UglyGreed]

3. Trickle down

feels just like being urinated on.....it has been going on for far too long. I did not speak up in time for myself but I'll be damned if I don't try to do it for my children.

[roguevalley]

37. they're having a shit fit in the hillary group over this. :)

[BeanMusical]

64. Now imagine how it must be at the sewer site, behind closed doors.

[bigwillq]

4. Great line.

K and R

[lindy1011]

5. kick

[WillyT]

6. HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!!

[sabrina 1]

7. He knows his politics!

[Admiral Loinpresser]

8. "Stay confronting bullshit at every turn."

Oh, sweet Jesus, there is another truth teller amongst us!

[NCTraveler]

9. I have no respect for Sanders at this point.

Using a surrogate to promote Clinton=Thatcher has done it for me. There is no stoop too low for his campaign. That's not calling it like it is, as you say, it's something that can be heard in conversations at any right wing campaign stop. The promotion of this by Sanders himself has done it for me. I know your mileage will differ. It's blatantly clear he is going for Paul supporters now and nothing else.

[arcane1]

10. LOL

Sure you do

[dogknob]

15. Using a surrogate/video to address nationwide racist criminal justice? Insulting as it gets. n/t

[NCTraveler]

56. So that's what comparing Clinton to Thatcher is in Sanders supporter world.

This place is becoming funnier and funnier by the day. Comparing Clinton to Thatcher, as was my point, is something you call addressing nationwide racist criminal justice. I couldn't make this shit up on my best day. Thank you so much.

[Dcoast]

18. well in all fairness

you never really showed respect in the first place

[Agschmid]

38. Welcome to DU...

[George II]

39. How would you know?

[Hekate]

42. And you know this how?

Welcome back.

[Hepburn]

75. +1

Welcome to the DU...

[MattSh]

21. Jealous, heh...

No one on your side can be even 10% as passionate about your candidate. Because there's nothing there TO BE passionate about.

[NCTraveler]

23. "Reality will continue to happen, even to those who refuse to recognize it's legitimacy." MattSh nt.

[Cassiopeia]

41. Well that is quite an improvement over your previous stance.

Thank you!

[NCTraveler]

55. You are very welcome. Thanks. nt.

[Romulox]

51. LOL. Good one! nt

[pangaia]

59. God you're funny.

[beam me up scottie]

70. BREAKING: Outraged Hillary supporter still outraged!

Because ... reasons. Film at 11.

[reformist2]

72. Umm, I'm pretty sure Killer Mike meant every word. Killer Mike is *nobody's* mouthpiece.

[mmonk]

12. Damn, he's good.

[greenman3610]

14. "Because there's not a dime's worth of difference between Al Gore and George Bush"

jeezus.
when will we learn?

[Robbins]

19. let's see now

dems have been proving Nader right

DNC is just as corrupt as gop

wall street.Trade deals.war.these are all things it's hard to see difference on.and i am one who critzed nader in 2000 on saying no difference between gore and bush.

[Hekate]

48. So you're saying Gore and Dubya would have given us the same 8 nightmarish years? Really?

Really.

[rhett o rick]

73. I think it's interesting that instead of stating an opinion, you resort to insinuating questions?

"So you're saying ...."

Do you have opinions?

I doubt that the 50 million Americans living in poverty see the difference. The question you are asking is "do you want to die a slow death or a quick death." I don't want to die, I am willing to risk the fight to save our democracy that some pretend, either isn't sliding away or doesn't matter.

[Dcoast]

20. i know right?

we keep electing D's in name only, just to be incredibly disappointed.

NEVER AGAIN!

[NCTraveler]

25. Going to assume since you have only been a poster here for a couple of hours.

That you didn't see my many positive posts about Sanders just last week. Log onto the wrong account? Welcome to du.

[Dcoast]

26. been a lurker for a long time

and what I remember about your posts was that they always had a snide under belly of disdain.

[NCTraveler]

28. Well I thank you for remembering that my positive posts about Sanders were nothing more...

than a snide under belly of disdain. This place is getting more and more funny by the day. Welcome aboard!!!!!!!

Dcoast? Like cali? Beautiful place.

[Dcoast]

29. delaware nt

[NCTraveler]

31. Thanks, was sure it was cali. Welcome to du. nt.

[Dcoast]

34. ty

and I'm just giving you a hard time. I see your name a lot. when you enter prison, you punch the biggest dog. DU sort of seems like a prison yard as of late.

[George II]

36. "DU sort of seems like a prison yard as of late."

You've been a member for barely TWO HOURS! Who are you?

[Agschmid]

40. Someone who just want to...

"Punch the big dogs"

[Dcoast]

53. i never

created an account because my old phone would freeze whenever I try to type on it. new phone, finally joining up.

[Hekate]

49. What a stupid thing to say. Enjoy your stay. nt

[randys1]

52. Never again, eh. Please be around when President Trump starts killing non white christians

for whatever excuse he will have or President Rubio tells Women their bodies are not their own.

[Broward]

22. The conservadems are complicit in the rightward shift of both parties

over the past thirty-plus years. If we continue to ignore this reality and not hold them accountable, the trend will continue.

[Hekate]

44. Been noticing the new iteration of that slanderous meme popping up here a lot lately

Some people have no shame.

[rhett o rick]

74. The DLC Democratic Establishment in 2000 decided to run Gore (Clinton) even though

the left warned them not to. When Gore lost, the DLC looked for a scapegoat, not wanting to admit their error. The DLC Democratic Establishment is doing it again. They will risk losing the general before they would support a Progressive. The orders from their Billionaire backers that doen't care if Clinton or Bush win the general, just as long as the People's candidate doesn't win. Who will be the scapegoat should Clinton lose the general?

Support the People's Candidate and not Goldman-Sachs's Candidate. Goldman-Sachs doesn't love you.

[Broward]

17. Great speech. Hillary Clinton is a conservative, enough said.

[SoapBox]

27. K & R!

Go Mike Go!

[Zorra]

30. Exactly! Perfect.

[Not a Fan]

32. Thatcher and Clinton

The two cannot be equated.

Statements like this hurt your credibility - along with the credibility of anyone who seconds it. Bernie doesn't need us to be stupid. He needs us to be smart. We shouldn't be trying to make him look bad.

It might have seemed like a cute and clever thing to say, but if you understood either of them - but especially Thatcher - you would never had made a comparison that was so demonstrably false.

That's akin to equating Reagan and HRC.

So the obvious conclusion is that you picked Thatcher to compare HRC to because she's a woman.

So - is this misogyny? Or just ignorance?

[DhhD]

58. +thatcher + reagan + clinton supporters

http://www.allthatsleft.co.uk/2013/09/neoliberal-triangulation-r-i-p/

[Unknown Beatle]

65. "Thatcher and Clinton - The two cannot be equated."

In 2008, Hillary was first to say that she modeled herself after Thatcher. Don't shoot the messenger when it was the message that Hillary delivered first.

[CharlotteVale]

33. K&R

[99Forever]

35. Preach it Brother Mike.

Loud and proud.

[senz]

43. K&R -- thanks, left lowrider!

[Proud Liberal Dem]

45. When did HRC become "Margaret Thatcher"

I think that you're thinking of Carly Fiorina?

[leftofcool]

46. Your credibility went out the window with the Thatcher equation.

[MaggieD]

47. Get a grip

If all you have is some rapper nobody knows who likes to cuss a lot, you're pretty damn desperate, IMO.

[BeanMusical]

63. "some rapper nobody knows who likes to cuss a lot"

If nobody knows him how do you know if he's cussing a lot or not?

[Romulox]

50. Run the Jewels!

[randys1]

54. So you are all longtime fans of Killer Mike?

[Romulox]

60. Yup. You really think Bob Marley would've supported Hillary?

Revelation, reveals the truth, Revelation
It takes a revolution to make a solution
Too much confusion, so much frustration
I don't want to live in the park
Can't trust no shadows after dark
so my friend I wish that you could see
Like a bird in the tree, the prisoners must be free

Never make a politician, grant you a favour
They will always want to control you forever
So if a fire make it burn,
and if a blood make it run
Rasta there up on top, can't you see,
so you can't predict the flop
we got lightning, thunder, brimstone and fire
Lightning, thunder, brimstone and fire

[BeanMusical]

66. Well said!

[randys1]

68. Who supports Hillary in the primary? Surely you will vote for her if it is her vs GOP?

[BlueCaliDem]

57. And the hyperbole reaches a new low on the Sanders' side

and gleefully cheered on by Sanders supporters. But I can understand the desperation. It's hard to have to face the fact that the majority of Americans are just not into your candidate.

[left lowrider]

62. Here's is how I heard it

He didn't say he he doesn't have time to elect Margaret Thatcher . . . he said "OUR OWN Margaret Thatcher.

Margaret Thatcher was a symbolic victory for feminists who only wanted a figurehead. . . for real feminists and EVERYONE ELSE she was a disaster.

In that sense Hillary is definitely OUR OWN Margaret Thatcher. . . not the same politics, the same country, or the same historical time . . but the same empty symbolic victory for very shallow feminists.

[BeanMusical]

67. Kick and R

[Enthusiast]

71. Yay, Mike! Yay, Bernie!