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left lowrider

(97 posts)
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 11:36 AM Nov 2015

I have no time to relive the Reagan years, and no desire to see us elect our own Margaret Thatcher.

Last edited Tue Nov 24, 2015, 07:57 PM - Edit history (1)

Love this guy. . . . calls it like it is.




Since the Hillary supporters don't seem to be listening past the Thatcher statement I thought I might add a few more quotes that are less sensational but hard to deny

"I'm not here to talk about benevolent politicians that are going to come and save the day for you. I'm not here to talk about the dream that you think is unattainable so you settle for less. I'm not here to talk about utopian society where everyone is forgiven and no one has to pay for past debts."

"I am here as a proponent of the liberal revolution that says healthcare is a right. I am here because working class and poor people deserve a chance at economic freedom. And yes, if you work 40 hours a week — you should not be in poverty. While here, I have to tell you that in my heart of hearts, in my heart of hearts, I fully believe that Sen. Bernie Sanders is the right man to lead this country. I believe it because he, unlike any other candidate, said I would like to restore the Voting Rights Act. He, unlike any other candidate, said I wish to end this illegal war on drugs. Unlike any other candidate in my life, he said that education should be free."

"I'm not here to talk about benevolent politicians that are going to come and save the day for you. I'm not here to talk about the dream that you think is unattainable so you settle for less. I'm not here to talk about utopian society where everyone is forgiven and no one has to pay for past debts."
I have no time to relive the Reagan years, and no desire to see us elect our own Margaret Thatcher. (Original Post) left lowrider Nov 2015 OP
I'm running out of adjectives .. a brilliant, awesome, epic, incredible .. speech by Killer Mike 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #1
+1 Baitball Blogger Nov 2015 #2
Now Hillary's a hard-core right winger? Very silly. Hortensis Nov 2015 #11
Part of her strategy in 2008 was to openly compare herself to Thatcher dogknob Nov 2015 #13
killer mike never said taht Dcoast Nov 2015 #16
Right. HRC NEVER compared her ideology to Thatcher's. Hortensis Nov 2015 #24
I usually make up my mind about a man in ten seconds, and I very rarely change it. - MT LiberalLovinLug Nov 2015 #61
Of course not, what a silly question. But she agrees with the Republicons on a lot of issues. nm rhett o rick Nov 2015 #69
Trickle down UglyGreed Nov 2015 #3
they're having a shit fit in the hillary group over this. :) roguevalley Nov 2015 #37
Now imagine how it must be at the sewer site, behind closed doors. BeanMusical Nov 2015 #64
Great line. bigwillq Nov 2015 #4
kick lindy1011 Nov 2015 #5
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Nov 2015 #6
He knows his politics! sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #7
"Stay confronting bullshit at every turn." Admiral Loinpresser Nov 2015 #8
I have no respect for Sanders at this point. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #9
LOL arcane1 Nov 2015 #10
Using a surrogate/video to address nationwide racist criminal justice? Insulting as it gets. n/t dogknob Nov 2015 #15
So that's what comparing Clinton to Thatcher is in Sanders supporter world. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #56
well in all fairness Dcoast Nov 2015 #18
Welcome to DU... Agschmid Nov 2015 #38
How would you know? George II Nov 2015 #39
And you know this how? Hekate Nov 2015 #42
+1 Hepburn Nov 2015 #75
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #76
Jealous, heh... MattSh Nov 2015 #21
"Reality will continue to happen, even to those who refuse to recognize it's legitimacy." MattSh nt. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #23
Well that is quite an improvement over your previous stance. Cassiopeia Nov 2015 #41
You are very welcome. Thanks. nt. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #55
LOL. Good one! nt Romulox Nov 2015 #51
God you're funny. pangaia Nov 2015 #59
BREAKING: Outraged Hillary supporter still outraged! beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #70
Umm, I'm pretty sure Killer Mike meant every word. Killer Mike is *nobody's* mouthpiece. reformist2 Nov 2015 #72
Damn, he's good. mmonk Nov 2015 #12
"Because there's not a dime's worth of difference between Al Gore and George Bush" greenman3610 Nov 2015 #14
let's see now Robbins Nov 2015 #19
So you're saying Gore and Dubya would have given us the same 8 nightmarish years? Really? Hekate Nov 2015 #48
I think it's interesting that instead of stating an opinion, you resort to insinuating questions? rhett o rick Nov 2015 #73
i know right? Dcoast Nov 2015 #20
Going to assume since you have only been a poster here for a couple of hours. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #25
been a lurker for a long time Dcoast Nov 2015 #26
Well I thank you for remembering that my positive posts about Sanders were nothing more... NCTraveler Nov 2015 #28
delaware nt Dcoast Nov 2015 #29
Thanks, was sure it was cali. Welcome to du. nt. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #31
ty Dcoast Nov 2015 #34
"DU sort of seems like a prison yard as of late." George II Nov 2015 #36
Someone who just want to... Agschmid Nov 2015 #40
i never Dcoast Nov 2015 #53
What a stupid thing to say. Enjoy your stay. nt Hekate Nov 2015 #49
Never again, eh. Please be around when President Trump starts killing non white christians randys1 Nov 2015 #52
The conservadems are complicit in the rightward shift of both parties Broward Nov 2015 #22
Been noticing the new iteration of that slanderous meme popping up here a lot lately Hekate Nov 2015 #44
The DLC Democratic Establishment in 2000 decided to run Gore (Clinton) even though rhett o rick Nov 2015 #74
Great speech. Hillary Clinton is a conservative, enough said. Broward Nov 2015 #17
K & R! SoapBox Nov 2015 #27
Exactly! Perfect. Zorra Nov 2015 #30
Thatcher and Clinton Not a Fan Nov 2015 #32
+thatcher + reagan + clinton supporters DhhD Nov 2015 #58
"Thatcher and Clinton - The two cannot be equated." Unknown Beatle Nov 2015 #65
K&R CharlotteVale Nov 2015 #33
Preach it Brother Mike. 99Forever Nov 2015 #35
K&R -- thanks, left lowrider! senz Nov 2015 #43
When did HRC become "Margaret Thatcher" Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2015 #45
Your credibility went out the window with the Thatcher equation. leftofcool Nov 2015 #46
Get a grip MaggieD Nov 2015 #47
"some rapper nobody knows who likes to cuss a lot" BeanMusical Nov 2015 #63
Run the Jewels! Romulox Nov 2015 #50
So you are all longtime fans of Killer Mike? randys1 Nov 2015 #54
Yup. You really think Bob Marley would've supported Hillary? Romulox Nov 2015 #60
Well said! BeanMusical Nov 2015 #66
Who supports Hillary in the primary? Surely you will vote for her if it is her vs GOP? randys1 Nov 2015 #68
And the hyperbole reaches a new low on the Sanders' side BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #57
Here's is how I heard it left lowrider Nov 2015 #62
Kick and R BeanMusical Nov 2015 #67
Yay, Mike! Yay, Bernie! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #71
 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
1. I'm running out of adjectives .. a brilliant, awesome, epic, incredible .. speech by Killer Mike
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 11:44 AM
Nov 2015

Woot! Go Bernie!!

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
11. Now Hillary's a hard-core right winger? Very silly.
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 12:51 PM
Nov 2015

Last edited Tue Nov 24, 2015, 01:39 PM - Edit history (2)



Addendum: BTW, I don't know this killer mike guy, so I'll just point out that his statement could be seen as pure dog-whistle sexism, stereotyping what people like least about women -- seeing the "rhymes with witch"es in power (quoting Barbara Bush on First Lady Hillary Clinton). I'm sure many will be pointing that out (!) so he can choose his words more carefully in future if he did not intend that.

“I usually make up my mind about a man in ten seconds, and I very rarely change it.”
― Margaret Thatcher

dogknob

(2,431 posts)
13. Part of her strategy in 2008 was to openly compare herself to Thatcher
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 01:05 PM
Nov 2015
The trumpeting of Lady Thatcher's qualities by Mr Penn, who has advised Gordon Brown and Tony Blair and is close to other senior Labour party figures, will confirm the suspicions of liberal Democrats that he and Mrs Clinton were out of step with the party's progressive wing and grassroots.

Joe Trippi, a veteran Democratic strategist who was a top adviser to the rival John Edwards campaign, said: "It's hard to run as Margaret Thatcher and be change. That was Hillary Clinton's whole problem.

"As a role model, it just goes against the grain and to try to map your strategy around that personality is not dealing with reality, both ideologically and in terms of the different era. Thatcher had the Falklands, George Bush had Iraq - we've got the exact opposite of the Thatcher situation."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/democrats/2548253/Hillary-Clintons-failed-strategy-inspired-by-Margaret-Thatcher.html

I guess the stunning turnout for Thatcher's funeral has cooled that particular approach to marketing HRC:


Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
24. Right. HRC NEVER compared her ideology to Thatcher's.
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 01:25 PM
Nov 2015

Again, it's just plain silly to pretend that could be so.

Now, admiring Thatcher's toughness is another thing, the iron "rhymes-with-witch" (to quote another such, Barbara Bush, referring to First Lady Hillary) that she was.

“When I'm out of politics I'm going to run a business, it'll be called rent-a-spine.”
― Margaret Thatcher

LiberalLovinLug

(14,033 posts)
61. I usually make up my mind about a man in ten seconds, and I very rarely change it. - MT
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 03:03 PM
Nov 2015

"I don't know this killer mike guy, so I'll just point out...."

Congratulations, you have a lot in common with the Iron Lady. And you also support Hillary. Hmmmmmmm

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
3. Trickle down
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 11:48 AM
Nov 2015

feels just like being urinated on.....it has been going on for far too long. I did not speak up in time for myself but I'll be damned if I don't try to do it for my children.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
9. I have no respect for Sanders at this point.
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 12:24 PM
Nov 2015

Using a surrogate to promote Clinton=Thatcher has done it for me. There is no stoop too low for his campaign. That's not calling it like it is, as you say, it's something that can be heard in conversations at any right wing campaign stop. The promotion of this by Sanders himself has done it for me. I know your mileage will differ. It's blatantly clear he is going for Paul supporters now and nothing else.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
56. So that's what comparing Clinton to Thatcher is in Sanders supporter world.
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 02:30 PM
Nov 2015

This place is becoming funnier and funnier by the day. Comparing Clinton to Thatcher, as was my point, is something you call addressing nationwide racist criminal justice. I couldn't make this shit up on my best day. Thank you so much.

Response to Hepburn (Reply #75)

MattSh

(3,714 posts)
21. Jealous, heh...
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 01:21 PM
Nov 2015

No one on your side can be even 10% as passionate about your candidate. Because there's nothing there TO BE passionate about.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
23. "Reality will continue to happen, even to those who refuse to recognize it's legitimacy." MattSh nt.
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 01:23 PM
Nov 2015

greenman3610

(3,946 posts)
14. "Because there's not a dime's worth of difference between Al Gore and George Bush"
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 01:07 PM
Nov 2015

jeezus.
when will we learn?

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
19. let's see now
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 01:16 PM
Nov 2015

dems have been proving Nader right

DNC is just as corrupt as gop

wall street.Trade deals.war.these are all things it's hard to see difference on.and i am one who critzed nader in 2000 on saying no difference between gore and bush.

Hekate

(87,893 posts)
48. So you're saying Gore and Dubya would have given us the same 8 nightmarish years? Really?
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 02:16 PM
Nov 2015

Really.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
73. I think it's interesting that instead of stating an opinion, you resort to insinuating questions?
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 10:00 AM
Nov 2015

"So you're saying ...."

Do you have opinions?

I doubt that the 50 million Americans living in poverty see the difference. The question you are asking is "do you want to die a slow death or a quick death." I don't want to die, I am willing to risk the fight to save our democracy that some pretend, either isn't sliding away or doesn't matter.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
25. Going to assume since you have only been a poster here for a couple of hours.
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 01:25 PM
Nov 2015

That you didn't see my many positive posts about Sanders just last week. Log onto the wrong account? Welcome to du.

 

Dcoast

(77 posts)
26. been a lurker for a long time
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 01:29 PM
Nov 2015

and what I remember about your posts was that they always had a snide under belly of disdain.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
28. Well I thank you for remembering that my positive posts about Sanders were nothing more...
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 01:32 PM
Nov 2015

than a snide under belly of disdain. This place is getting more and more funny by the day. Welcome aboard!!!!!!!

Dcoast? Like cali? Beautiful place.

 

Dcoast

(77 posts)
34. ty
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 01:51 PM
Nov 2015

and I'm just giving you a hard time. I see your name a lot. when you enter prison, you punch the biggest dog. DU sort of seems like a prison yard as of late.

George II

(67,782 posts)
36. "DU sort of seems like a prison yard as of late."
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 01:59 PM
Nov 2015

You've been a member for barely TWO HOURS! Who are you?

 

Dcoast

(77 posts)
53. i never
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 02:27 PM
Nov 2015

created an account because my old phone would freeze whenever I try to type on it. new phone, finally joining up.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
52. Never again, eh. Please be around when President Trump starts killing non white christians
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 02:26 PM
Nov 2015

for whatever excuse he will have or President Rubio tells Women their bodies are not their own.

Broward

(1,976 posts)
22. The conservadems are complicit in the rightward shift of both parties
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 01:21 PM
Nov 2015

over the past thirty-plus years. If we continue to ignore this reality and not hold them accountable, the trend will continue.

Hekate

(87,893 posts)
44. Been noticing the new iteration of that slanderous meme popping up here a lot lately
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 02:11 PM
Nov 2015

Some people have no shame.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
74. The DLC Democratic Establishment in 2000 decided to run Gore (Clinton) even though
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 10:10 AM
Nov 2015

the left warned them not to. When Gore lost, the DLC looked for a scapegoat, not wanting to admit their error. The DLC Democratic Establishment is doing it again. They will risk losing the general before they would support a Progressive. The orders from their Billionaire backers that doen't care if Clinton or Bush win the general, just as long as the People's candidate doesn't win. Who will be the scapegoat should Clinton lose the general?

Support the People's Candidate and not Goldman-Sachs's Candidate. Goldman-Sachs doesn't love you.

Not a Fan

(98 posts)
32. Thatcher and Clinton
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 01:49 PM
Nov 2015

The two cannot be equated.

Statements like this hurt your credibility - along with the credibility of anyone who seconds it. Bernie doesn't need us to be stupid. He needs us to be smart. We shouldn't be trying to make him look bad.

It might have seemed like a cute and clever thing to say, but if you understood either of them - but especially Thatcher - you would never had made a comparison that was so demonstrably false.

That's akin to equating Reagan and HRC.

So the obvious conclusion is that you picked Thatcher to compare HRC to because she's a woman.

So - is this misogyny? Or just ignorance?

Unknown Beatle

(2,661 posts)
65. "Thatcher and Clinton - The two cannot be equated."
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 03:43 PM
Nov 2015

In 2008, Hillary was first to say that she modeled herself after Thatcher. Don't shoot the messenger when it was the message that Hillary delivered first.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
47. Get a grip
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 02:13 PM
Nov 2015

If all you have is some rapper nobody knows who likes to cuss a lot, you're pretty damn desperate, IMO.

BeanMusical

(4,389 posts)
63. "some rapper nobody knows who likes to cuss a lot"
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 03:31 PM
Nov 2015

If nobody knows him how do you know if he's cussing a lot or not?

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
60. Yup. You really think Bob Marley would've supported Hillary?
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 02:46 PM
Nov 2015
Revelation, reveals the truth, Revelation
It takes a revolution to make a solution
Too much confusion, so much frustration
I don't want to live in the park
Can't trust no shadows after dark
so my friend I wish that you could see
Like a bird in the tree, the prisoners must be free

Never make a politician, grant you a favour
They will always want to control you forever

So if a fire make it burn,
and if a blood make it run
Rasta there up on top, can't you see,
so you can't predict the flop
we got lightning, thunder, brimstone and fire
Lightning, thunder, brimstone and fire

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
57. And the hyperbole reaches a new low on the Sanders' side
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 02:32 PM
Nov 2015

and gleefully cheered on by Sanders supporters. But I can understand the desperation. It's hard to have to face the fact that the majority of Americans are just not into your candidate.

 

left lowrider

(97 posts)
62. Here's is how I heard it
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 03:21 PM
Nov 2015

He didn't say he he doesn't have time to elect Margaret Thatcher . . . he said "OUR OWN Margaret Thatcher.

Margaret Thatcher was a symbolic victory for feminists who only wanted a figurehead. . . for real feminists and EVERYONE ELSE she was a disaster.

In that sense Hillary is definitely OUR OWN Margaret Thatcher. . . not the same politics, the same country, or the same historical time . . but the same empty symbolic victory for very shallow feminists.

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