Sanders Invokes MLK Legacy as He Aims for Black Votes

[bravenak]

Campaigning in the slain civil rights leader's hometown of Atlanta on Monday, Sanders paid his respect at the slain civil rights leader's crypt and visited privately with one of King's children, Bernice King, at the King Center for Nonviolent Social Change.

After the meeting, Sanders said Martin Luther King Jr. has been "an inspiration to me for my entire life," not just for his work to end racial segregation but because of his demands — often less remembered — for economic opportunity for all Americans, the central them of Sanders' presidential campaign.

Sanders, a 74-year-old who participated in the famous 1963 march that concluded with King's "I Have a Dream" speech, noted that the event was officially "The March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom."

"Sometimes people forget he was assassinated because he stood up with sanitation workers fighting for decent wages and decent working conditions," Sanders said, referring to King being shot in 1968 in Memphis, where he went to support striking workers.

I just want to note, MLK Jr was fighting for BLACK sanitation workers to have the same pay and treatment as WHITE sanitation workers. People sanitize history and try to co opt our movements and leaders at times. We see through that. We know. You can look it up on the google.


http://www.startribune.com/sanders-invokes-mlk-legacy-as-he-aims-for-black-support/353069381/

[bravenak]

1. .

The union, which had been granted a charter by AFSCME in 1964, had attempted a strike in 1966, but it failed, in large part because workers were unable to arouse the support of Memphis’s religious community or middle class. Conditions for black sanitation workers worsened when Henry Loeb became mayor in January 1968. Loeb refused to take dilapidated trucks out of service or pay overtime when men were forced to work late-night shifts. Sanitation workers earned wages so low that many were on welfare and hundreds relied on food stamps to feed their families.

On 11 February over 700 men attended a union meeting and unanimously decided to strike. Within a week, the local branch of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) passed a resolution supporting the strike. The strike might have ended on 22 February, when the City Council, pressured by a sit-in of sanitation workers and their supporters, voted to recognize the union and recommended a wage increase. Mayor Loeb rejected the Council’s vote, however, insisting that only he had the authority to recognize the union and refused to do so.

http://kingencyclopedia.stanford.edu/encyclopedia/encyclopedia/enc_memphis_sanitation_workers_strike_1968/

[BootinUp]

2. Strange he would leave that out.

I guess I am not too thrilled about Sanders re-defining MLK's legacy to suit his campaign.

[bravenak]

3. It disgusts me.

[Vattel]

18. lol

[bravenak]

19. History is history.

Changing thing to suit oneself is not appropriate.

[californiabernin]

227. He's not re-defining anything. He's speaking Truth. nt

[Thinkingabout]

4. Thanks, brave for posting the truths. You are standing strong.

[bravenak]

5. You're welcome. And thank you.

[Starry Messenger]

6. K&R

[lovemydog]

7. Here's some video of the night before:

[bravenak]

8. Thank you.

[lovemydog]

9. You're welcome.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

10. You act as though he is a liar. He is not, and you cannot document that he is.

He met with Bernice King before his speech. She apparently forgot to vet Dr King's legacy with you--I'm sure it was just an oversight, and that she meant to clear his speech with DU's most popular email writer.

[bravenak]

12. What does that have to do with the fact that MLK was fighting for BLACK sanitation workers?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

13. Go back to your link. Lots of good info on what Bernice King has to to with MLK.

[bravenak]

16. Does her relationship change FACTS?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

21. No, but of course, he never claimed otherwise.

That's a fact.

[bravenak]

24. Jus left that part out.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

26. You're trying to make something out of nothing--people know that about you.

Do you support Hillary Clinton's candidacy?

[Duckhunter935]

27. She just hates Bernie for some reason

Could be for a couple of reasons that I can think of right off.

[AgingAmerican]

150. Hatred and anger ruin a persons ability to think rationally

and they poison a persons integrity

[bravenak]

28. Hillary Clinton's supporters never call me house- well, any bad names.

So, yes. I do support her campaign. She supports Obama and I support her, it is my gift to her. Now, I used to dislike her, but as time goes on, and one starts hating her enemies, one starts liking her, then really liking her.


This is an actual article. My comments are just a clarification of facts.

I do not care in the slightest what people "know" about me. They also know that Bernie is winning the election.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

41. Someone publicized an email you apparently sent that says otherwise r.e. Clinton.

I'll take your comment to mean that you disavow that statement. Thanks.

[bravenak]

43. So? That was from a month ago.

How does that matter today? I changed my mind after all of the insults.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

45. So the other poster truthfully represented what you said. Interesting.

I have nothing further for now.

[bravenak]

47. Nothing he posted was a lie. He was fully factual.

So was I. I changed my vote because of how people acted towards BLM. Yes. Absolutely. That is exactly what it said, no he did not lie in any way. He posted it verbatim. It is true. Nobody has to vote for a guy just because they are closer to his policies. I saw the way people acted towards blm and continued to act and knew he could not win my demographic and I moved on. I will photograph my ballot when I bubble it in for Hillary and post it. People seem to need that closure for some reason. I can give that to them if it helps.

[AgingAmerican]

157. You have been outed

No believing anything you say from here on out.

[bravenak]

158. I do not think I care what you think or ever did

[AgingAmerican]

160. Nobody does

Hate and anger poison a persons integrity.

[bravenak]

162. Sigh

[Cha]

78. People do "know about you", brave! As a strong, compassionate, intelligent, brave woman

who is fighting for the truth. The simple truth.. but that's too much for some to handle.

"I do not care in the slightest what people "know" about me. They also know that Bernie is winning the election." Brawaaaaaa!

[bravenak]

79. Awww!

I still don't care what they think!

[Cha]

81. Good gawd, NO! That's a badge of honor what they think about you or any of us!

[bravenak]

82. I was watching boondocks the other night

http://hueyfreemanonlyspeaksthetruth.tumblr.com/


This episode, I have it on blu ray. Rolling on the FLOOR!!

Sorry: http://hueyfreemanonlyspeaksthetruth.tumblr.com/post/73900745808/you-dont-get-to-use-martin-luther-king-jr-as

[Cha]

86. "You don’t get to use Martin Luther King Jr. as your “Imaginary Black Yes Man”!!!" Damn Straight!

Mahalo for this, bravenak!

[bravenak]

88. .

[riderinthestorm]

87. Just so people understand the context here and the troll thing

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128075924#post5

[Scootaloo]

110. Just wait until if you go "off-message"

Always figured you'd be one to get suspicious when people are nothing but fawning, adulating ass-kissers towards you.

[bravenak]

114. I am suspicious of folks who praise ladies who call me nwords.

I looked at the rec list. I know who supports that stuff. Praise is better than nwords.

[Scootaloo]

142. And when the same person is de-blacked and called "self-hating" for not supporting a candidate?

That cool with you, too? Must be, you're applauding that in your signature. And it's not the first time.

It ain't my space to cast a vote on what Catherina said on Twitter. But It is my space to at least support her as far as opposing that kind of bullshit goes. So if my rec pisses off some shitheads who think declaring a black woman to no longer be a black woman because they don't like what she said? Then GOOD. Fuck those people.

[bravenak]

144. Go ahead and support her.

I do not want contact with her supporters.

[Scootaloo]

154. Just with the racists who think they get to say what she is and isn't?

Filling your sig line with your love and support for that?

[bravenak]

159. I have no idea what she is.

But I know what that perfect stranger had to say about ME. That is enough to not believe anything she says about anything. She and I did not interact. For her to do that? Nope. Bye Scoot.

[Scootaloo]

165. Like I said, ain't my place to take that on.

I said the same thing regarding Cornell West, that's not my space. That's all between you guys. bravenak, if another black woman wants to call you the n-word, I'm keeping my white ass out of it. That's you and her and whoever else is swept up in that discussion.

But when it comes to pointing at someone and saying, essentially, "you don't get to be black," then, yeah, that steps out of the "internal discussion" realm and becomes a "principles of liberalism" issue. and it's one I've dealt with - at least in essence - before.

It's not cool when that dingbat did it to jews, and it's not cool when the dingbats in your sig line do it to black people.

[bravenak]

166. Bye.

[Scootaloo]

168. Seeya

Do keep in mind that last PM I sent you though. You and I are butting heads now, but my concern is real.

Take care.

[bravenak]

170. I just cannot hear talk of that woman or the reason why I should accept that crap.

Anybody who condones that it not okay. To have some person sit up with her white friends and call me racial slurs, and have them tell me that it's okay cause she's black? No. She would not ever say such things to us as a group in person. They would never sit around condoning or trying to tell us we are not allowed to be offended in any other situation. It's getting worse.

You keep in mind that pm I sent you telling you that certain folks are just wrong on racial matters. Nobody should condone that. That is an intraracial bullying technique that has gone on since the plantation. Some felt better than others. They put on a show for the folks in the big house and ridiculed us 'unenlightened' ones. Many blacks on Fox News says similar things.

[bravenak]

169. I hate discussing that person. I refuse to hear the excuses as to why I should accept such nasty

slurs and why they condone or 'refuse to comment' on how disgusting it is.

[Scootaloo]

195. Why shoud anything I say matter?

I dunno Bravenak. Maybe me and the rest of the gingham-clad white-ass crowd of fedora-wearing third-way brogressive white supremacists have learned our lesson about putting our pasty masculine mustache-waxed noses in your business.

I mean we're just a bunch of trailer park white trash, apparently pretending to be black people ourselves, when we're not pretending to be women and supporting a mendacious rapist who's secretly an agent for Israel. What on earth of value could we possibly contribute to your situation?

No, we're just going to go off to our pubs and polish our guns and listen to the Septemberists with the other tax-and-spend communists, and reminisce about the good ol' days of FDR with its lynchings and Japanese internment. Maybe pass around some high fives about how awesome Nader is and how little we care about social issues.

You spend five months talking shit, lobbing every insult you can dream up, and then you want us to come get your back when someone shit-talks back to you on twitter?

[polly7]

149. A-fucking-men. nt.

[bravenak]

156. .

[polly7]

200. Here is why she said what she did on Twitter.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/~TeeYiYi

I've known her here for years and know as fact what TeeYiYi says to be true from conversations with her and another who joined her in one location where she was helping severely disadvantaged people.

Just to straighten that out ...

Also, the 'de-blacking' and being called 'self-hating' was mostly ignored by her here - she's been treated like shit here so many times, why bother? Others stood up for her though, and good for any and all of them.

Her leaving is DU's loss. Don't let the lies fool you.

[Capt. Obvious]

206. She won't ever go off message

she has a photographic memory.

[bravenak]

222. I do. Makes this very easy

[Rose Siding]

31. Your unwarranted personal attack aside, the omission isn't "nothing"

Her thoughts and ideas aren't "nothing". If you think it wasn't worth BS bothering to mention the racial component of MLK's fight for labor, make the argument.

[berni_mccoy]

53. No. They really are nothing. And trying to make something

Out of nothing is what she does best and it is painfully obvious to anyone who isn't in her fan club.

[bravenak]

60. What I do best is be me.

I notice alot of people focus on me like I'm why Bernie is losing and have lots of anger. It's sad to focus so much attention on one person as a group and go after them and call them stupid and nmes and attack them and them pretend they deserve your insults and attacks because you do not like them. I tell one of the teens I deal with who is being bullied that nobody deserves to have a group of people go after them and attack and attack and insult them one by one and give each other pats on the back like they did a good deed. And I tell them to never join such attacks themselves even if they do not like the person. It looks bad and it could be them one day. I remind them of the kids who hurt themselves and tell them to never be the reason someone gets hurt or depressed. I tell them not to be the one who hurts. Don't bully I tell them.

[berni_mccoy]

65. Lol

[bravenak]

66. I do that when I see the twitter polls

[berni_mccoy]

68. Lol

stop. Stop. I can't keep laughing...

[bravenak]

70. Me too.

[AgingAmerican]

164. Lol

Nonstop comedy gold!



From here on out!!

[bravenak]

167. For me too, I agree

[polly7]

122. lmao.

[bravenak]

124. ........

[Kentonio]

181. Bravenak, people focus on you because you post a lot and are very confrontational.

That doesn't mean you deserve people being horrible to you, but if you post in a confrontational way, you can hardly be surprised when you get a lot of confrontation. If you walk into a bar and announce that half the room is full of shit, then you can hardly accuse them of being bullies when they loudly call you out on it.

Again that's not to say that people haven't said things to you that are unacceptable, but complaining about bullying just seems lame when you're the one who often starts the fights. I haven't been here long, so I haven't seen all the history of course, but your posts stand out as someone looking for a fire to pour gasoline on.

[bravenak]

182. It is only confrontational because I am saying it.

If you read the op, there is nothing wrong with it. Not calling him names, no nasty invectives...
Go look at an op critical of Hillary. Wow! Very different. Make mine look absolutely non confrontational. The idea that me posting ops that I like is trying to start a fight is laughable. Read the op and tell me what EXACTLY is so horrible compared to the anti hillary all day every day ops. I'll wait here.

[Kentonio]

183. The op isn't.

But its rarely about the ops, but the fiery replies throughout the threads. End of the day you are you, and that's all we can or should be, but you do come across as highly confrontational. As someone who also has a fiery temper, I recognize one when I see it.

I'm only posting this because sometimes you sound genuinely confused by why people fight on here with you so much. Anyway, have a good day.

[bravenak]

184. I am not confused. They attack the person.

[Kentonio]

185. Sure, but that's what happens when you go in fighting.

I've deleted (before posting) at least 10 replies I'd written to different posts of yours because I had reacted viscerally and had to tell myself to calm down. Hey, maybe you achieve more by it than you would otherwise, but its always going to bring you drama.

[bravenak]

187. My posts are generally polite, it causes anger as well.

It is because I am a HERETIC.

[Kentonio]

191. Ok, it must just be a complete coincidence that its your posts that provoke that response

Rather than the many other people posting about the same things but in a different tone.

[bravenak]

193. Heresy causes anger

[polly7]

202. Agree completely ..... all Bernie Sanders supporters cause huge anger here with their

departure from politics as usual and refusal to accept the status quo any longer for all those suffering under it.

"Heretic - anyone who does not conform to an established attitude, doctrine, or principle."

[SusanCalvin]

63. An omission like that isn't "nothing." nt

[bravenak]

71. Sometimes the point is simply to insult me right quick.

[Cha]

74. Well said, Rose.. they can't make the case why BS left out the "racial component of MLK's fight

for labor.." so they personally attack.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

219. Golly, Dr Einstein. Have you ever known me to not be ready to make my case?

I didn't fucking think so.

[SusanCalvin]

58. Yes. It was a significant omission. I am disappointed. You are right. nt

[bravenak]

62. Thank you.

[pnwmom]

218. She didn't say he's a liar. She pointed out he oddly chose to focus only on the general wage issue

when King was marching for equality among the races.

[George II]

224. He's not a "liar", he just happens to not mention certain facts when they don't support his "record"

[JaneyVee]

11. LOL.

[bravenak]

14. .

[femmedem]

15. He was fighting for black sanitation workers, but his poor people's campaign was for poor people

of every ethnicity.

So although Bernie didn't specify black when it came to sanitation workers--I wish that he had, and I see why the omission angers you--Dr. King was also concerned with economic justice for all people, even as poverty disproportionately effected blacks.

And thank you for prompting me to learn more about Dr. King's work. I mean that.

[bravenak]

17. Thank you for understanding. I wince when things are whitewashed.

I find it harmful to blacks to have our history miscontrued.

[ismnotwasm]

20. OT-- You want to know something funny?

My Dad was once a white sanitation worker, aka "garbage man" and he was racist as fuck. By doing that particular job, however, he learned that African American men are human beings--and that's as far as he ever evolved. He died a racist.

[bravenak]

23. That is funny in a not ha ha way.

My stepdad too. Listened to Limbaugh. Only liked blacks if they were female.

[ismnotwasm]

29. That's messed up

My Dad admired the appearance of Black women in certain circumstances. Like he was doing them a favor He was also sexist as fuck.

[bravenak]

30. They were the same then. Almost the same guy. Mine was a busdriver.

Sexist, racist, selfish...

[ismnotwasm]

35. Truck driver

Narcissist--I mean textbook. Damn.

[AgingAmerican]

171. Show us the news article

Thanks in advance.

[bravenak]

174. Um, no. WTF? Why?

[bravenak]

176. My God. The things people request.

Follow you just to say things that make you go OMG

[SusanCalvin]

83. I am so sorry.

My dad was a terrible racist, but otherwise a nice guy (if that's not an oxymoron). He did buy me Highlights magazine and all the Scholastic books I could read. And was puzzled why I didn't turn out the same!

[bravenak]

85. You know what?

Mine did all kinds of nice shit for me too. Disneyland, the beach, Knotts Berry Farm, Magic Mountain, he was just too old school. He did not get me at all. But I got him allright. He HATED it. I have gotten that reaction since I was a kid. Funny.

[SusanCalvin]

89. Oh God, I am so sorry, brave.

My dad was happy to have me and did all the stuff because he enjoyed it. He was just (just???!!!???) a terrible racist.

[bravenak]

90. Don't feel bad.

It just made me see it. Nobody has to speak and the body language tells me. Speak? Word choice and usage, it never fails. I can just tell. At least I'm self aware. That's a good thing he taught me. And how to keep my money. He was a republican. Very tight.

[SusanCalvin]

92. I know exactly what you mean,

And believe I can do the same things as well. Well, maybe not "as well," but "also." But it looks like I got that skill (probably not as well) with, perhaps, not as much pain.

[bravenak]

94. It was more fun for me than him!!

You know how I am.

I can remember making fun of him at five year old and everybody laughing at him and he was RED!!! And he had shorl legs and rode a Harley. It used to tip over with him on it. Lot's of mileage off of his antics. Or the time he decided to confront the 'gangbangers' (black guys sitting on the bustop) and tazered himself and they had to help him in the house.... He was a trip!

[SusanCalvin]

98. I can see this clearly.

You go, girl!

[bravenak]

100. I loved him. He was hella amusing.

[femmedem]

22. I try to be a good ally.

Still learning, but I try.

And, too, I try to be a good ambassador for Bernie. Never won anyone over by insulting them or poo-pooing their concerns.

[bravenak]

25. Thank you.

[lovemydog]

40. So true.

[lovemydog]

39. I'm the same way.

I love learning more about him too. There's some great biographies on him. Hope you can read them some time.

[femmedem]

196. I will! n/t

[Cha]

32. JHC, bernie.. way to try to rewrite history.. "I just want to note, MLK Jr was fighting for BLACK

sanitation workers to have the same pay and treatment as WHITE sanitation workers."

Good catch, brave!

I don't trust that guy.

[bravenak]

33. I notice things.

[Cha]

37. I guess you would! Wow.. trying to rewrite to make it seem like he and MLK were

fighting for the exact same thing.

Sooner or later he's going to be busted big time for all the fakery he's piling up.

[bravenak]

49. I think he does not notice that it happens.

To some it sounds inclusive

[Cha]

57. Inclusive.. yeah, because the meaning of what MLK's life work was has no impact on their

particular lives.

"Sanitation workers.." uh huh. damn he's tone deaf.

[bravenak]

73. Smh

All I can do is smh.

[SusanCalvin]

72. I think you are exactly right.

Someone really needs to sit him down and explain to him. I probably would have been more clueless than I am if not for y'all.

[bravenak]

76. I wish I could but he might yell.

Just kidding, lol.

Yes. I am mad that nobody is imo, explaining a gooddamn thing properly to him. Like they do not care if he wins, they just wanna ride this Bernie train and get some gravy from him and do a half as job advising him. No way they don't have anybody who could just tell him this stuff? What is the name of that campaign manager of his? That guy is the problem, imo. He has been around for too long to let stuff like this slip by. I know he reads those speeches. They need to send them to me first, let me change stuff and then use it. Much better.

[SusanCalvin]

84. Yes. They ought to do exactly that. Seriously. nt

[restorefreedom]

34. he should have put the word " black"

in front of sanitation worker. and you know what? his comments would have been as relevant and meaningful and everyone would have seen that both racial justice and economic justice are part of this campaign and part of bernies fight. my guess is he was trying to be inclusive not offensive. i just dont see that coming from him on purpose.

[bravenak]

38. I think these things need to be done in a culturally sensitive manner.

Sometimes being inclusive means to ignore the particular contributions of a group.

[restorefreedom]

197. it reminds me when will,of will and grace said to jack

you've become so gay you've looped back around to straight."

sometimes when we collectively try to be pc, we end up doing the very thing we are trying to avoid.

[Number23]

42. "The truth is he did much more than just fight segregation and racism,"

Sweet Jesus. What is with that fucking "just"!!!??

"The truth is he did much more than just fight segregation and racism,"

For black people then and now, what is more important to us than JUST racism and discrimination?? I have seen sooooooo many white DUers put that "just" in front of King's fights for black liberation. It ain't "just" for us, it's damn near everything.

[bravenak]

44. Thank you!!!!

This kinda stuff really catches my eye. The total rewriting of history. To some that part is not important, the only thing that matters is what they emphasize.

[Cha]

46. It apparently wasn't as important to bernie as his talking points. damn smh

[bravenak]

48. I have realized that I do not know much about him.

[Cha]

54. he's for damn sure not like the perfect picture his fans paint. All the hiding of imperfect bernie

posts is a red flag on that.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=840153

Imagine if this were an Alert free sight.. with moderators who were fair. There would be a lot more valuable insight that wasn't censored by the ** *****.

[bravenak]

55. Be nice to have mods.

This is a free for all. Nobody is perfect. Nobody.

[Cha]

59. But bernie.. bernie is! Rofl

[SusanCalvin]

75. The mod system had issues as well.

I was here for the gay purge. Of course, that wasn't so much the misconduct of one mod as the reaction, and re-reaction, and.... to the initial incident.

[bravenak]

77. Oh, my!!

Glad I missed that!

[SusanCalvin]

80. I'd not really looked into that before.

Still haven't in depth, and I'm about to go to bed, but perhaps this may offer some perspective.

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/05/29/410606045/the-bernie-sanders-rape-fantasy-essay-explained

[BootinUp]

91. Holy mackerel. nt

[SusanCalvin]

93. Please see post just above yours.

I haven't researched in depth, but I feel confident in saying that even as a youngster he could write a grabby lede.

The rest, from what I've seen, rapidly becomes more reasonable and then maybe wanders off. I've really got to turn in now.

[WillyT]

50. Hey Brave...

DULink: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027376737

[AgingAmerican]

172. “There must be a better distribution of wealth"

“There must be a better distribution of wealth and maybe America must move toward a democratic socialism.” -- Martin Luther King, Jr

[MaggieD]

51. That's how he rolls

[bravenak]

52. I love when we post together

[SusanCalvin]

56. You are so right.

Bernie should know better. I do not like co-opting.

[Number23]

61. You, I like. Always have.

[SusanCalvin]

67. Thank you, friend. nt

[bravenak]

64. I think so too.

[SusanCalvin]

69. Thank you, friend. nt

[JI7]

95. i wish he had more people around him to explain these things to him

the thing is i think he would listen and understand and try to adjust his message .

[bravenak]

96. Me too.

I have sworn and sworn that that is the problem.

[SusanCalvin]

106. Yes, yes, dear God yes.

I think he would listen but it is not getting to his ears.

Granted, he should know, but nobody is perfect.

[bravenak]

107. They might be insulating him from negativity too.

To protect the fact that they are not doing their jobs very well. Flood him with positive reddit stuff and hide stuff like this.

[SusanCalvin]

109. I'm not huge on social media.

Basically I only like here, because of people like you and the format. And I'll admit my liking of the format is 51%.

But his people are PAID to know/do this stuff.

[bravenak]

112. Social media is new and exciting.

I think I'll cover alot of it in my journalism classes. And communications. What I use of it is pretty easy to understand. And I always make new acounts, so many that I just don't bother with many of them except rarely. They should know how to gauge how he is really performing with particular group. Somebody should be reading the articles about him and the comments. See what is going on. Nip stuff in the bud.

[SusanCalvin]

116. "Nip stuff in the bud."

Exactly. Somebody should be monitoring this stuff, as their job. They should hire you!

[bravenak]

117. I know. I nip stuff hard.

[KeepItReal]

97. The only sanitation workers striking were Black. What is the sanitization of history?

Simply because the phase "Black sanitation workers" wasn't used in Sen. Sanders' quote does not change the history that Dr. King was making.

You are ascribing some negative intent to a factual Sanders statement about a historical occurrence - Dr. King was there in support of striking sanitation workers. History clearly shows they were Black. IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING.

[bravenak]

99. It was not clear from what he said

[KeepItReal]

101. So you decided that the absence of the word "Black" means ill intent

Got it.

[bravenak]

102. Did I say ill intent or did you?

[KeepItReal]

104. "People sanitize history and try to co opt our movements and leaders at times."

You did very clearly.

[bravenak]

105. Does that mean they INTEND ill or perhaps are unaware of what it looks like?

Perhaps they mean to be inclusive? But they do not realize this is history specific to one group and that fact needs to be acknowkedged or it will be taken wrong?

[KeepItReal]

111. You're attempting to ascribe racial insensitivity. Keep trying.

About 4000 people in ATL today disagree with you.

[bravenak]

113. It's pretty easy to find 100000 black hillary supporters to agree with ME.

Really, though.

[KeepItReal]

129. I'm gon' leave you with that

Good night, Bravenak.

[bravenak]

130. Good night!

[SusanCalvin]

108. I did not see any allegation of ill intent.

I would say more "tone deaf."

[KeepItReal]

115. Is it "tone deaf" to not mention that the signers of the Declaration of Independence were all White?

eom

[SusanCalvin]

119. Yes.

Not to mention most, if not all (gotta go to bed, not gonna look it up right now), wait for it, drum roll, you know what I'm gonna say....

Slaveholders.

Right? Right.

[bravenak]

125. And many slaveholders among them, yes. Should be mentioned.

[ecstatic]

223. Not necessarily, would Bernie's younger supporters know that?

It's not like this is taught in schools.

[pa28]

103. K&R

[Truprogressive85]

118. Do not tell me about about Dr. King if you support HRC period !!!

it was HRC used white fear in order to get vote during 2008 never will I put that in the past
She is the white moderate that Dr. King warned about

" I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace"

[bravenak]

123. I do not remember directing this at you in any way.

I can speak on WHATEVER i PLEASE. You know that.

[Truprogressive85]

126. give me a break smh

I can reply to the thread as I please

[bravenak]

127. And I say say whatever I want no matter who I am voting for. See? Smh back atcha

I have a video for you. I love the sound of his voice. Living in modern times is awaeome because we can actually see history as it unfolded once we had recordings. Wonderful thing cameras are. Really changed the world. Times have changed a bit since this video, but notice the issues he brings up sound just like BLM.

[Truprogressive85]

132. Wrong one

You are not going to school me on Malcolm X nor Dr. King

I know who my allies are and who not to trust

you might have these white progressive Duers afraid not to responded to you not I

and since you want to post videos

[bravenak]

134. Umm hmm. I have no idea what you are going on about.

Afraid? Oh, I get it. Lol. Really? Ha!!!!!!


Do what you gotta do.

[Truprogressive85]

146. yeah yeah

I peeped your game since I been in DU! it's corny an wack

[bravenak]

147. And wack. Corny AND wack.

And that would be ON DU not IN DU. Have a nice night, glad I could help.

[Truprogressive85]

152. not surprising lol

I will save what I was going to say till the right time

sister Brave lmaooo

[bravenak]

153. Umm hmm good night

[SusanCalvin]

135. I have adored Malcolm X

Ever since we were assigned "The Ballot or the Bullet" in a speech class. I felt he spoke for me. And I'm white. Go figure....

[bravenak]

136. I have always favored him myself.

Read that autobiography over and over. I feel like a mix between him and Maya Angelou. Plus something else. Shug Avery? Something.

[oasis]

120. A glaring omission such as that is truly a disappointment to me

because it confirms what I suspected about Bernie's campaign from its beginning. Not ready for prime time.

[bravenak]

121. Yep. I agree.

[SusanCalvin]

128. It could be. I still have hope. nt

[oasis]

145. I hate to see any prominent Democrat being unprepared.

I feel it somehow reflects badly on the party as a whole.

In the 2004 Kerry vs. Dean primary contest, I was a staunch Kerry supporter. When the media captured the "scream" after an emotionally drained Dean addressed his campaign workers, I actually felt embarrassment for him.

I believe most Democrats in office to be well meaning and work for the good of all Americans, each in his/her own way.

[MFrohike]

131. This is a reach

The guy is up there reminding people that there's a lot more to MLK than the sanitized version. You know the one I mean. The one we get every January, where the entire story of his life is Birmingham and one speech in 1963. If you solely pay attention to popular history, you'd think that MLK retired after August 1963.

It's a real reach to attack the guy for the lack of one word. It's petty. Perhaps you could attack him for failing to mention King's organizing in Chicago in 65 for equal housing? After all, it doesn't seem as though he mentioned it.

This is just a very poor attack. You don't like him? Cool. You prefer another candidate? Fine. Don't make petty attacks on a guy who clearly tried to break MLK out of the non-threatening ideological straitjacket he's been in for decades. It's long past time that America met the real MLK: a believer and fighter for the whole idea of social justice, not solely a part of it. It's time people got acquainted with him, rather than mouthing platitudes that reflect jack squat about who he was and who we should be. While I'd personally prefer if it wasn't done as part of an electoral campaign, I can live with that if it gets done.

[bravenak]

133. Equal housing for BLACKS.

[MFrohike]

141. Duh

Why the hell else would he have been in Chicago? What the hell else does equal housing mean?

I didn't spell it out because I know you're not stupid. I also didn't spell out his position on the intersection of race and class. That was also because you're not stupid. The point is that if you're going to attack him over the lack of a word, perhaps you should go all out and attack him for every failure to mention MLK's actions in the context of race. You're trying to make him out to be some evil usurper for a perceived failure to recognize the legacy, but you're parsing sentences to do it. That's why I called it petty.

[bravenak]

143. It gets left out, we notice, then we are jerks for wanting our history specified. Fine. You win.

I'm evil and it's fine to leave out. We should just not notice or comment and just accept it as just fine. If we notice, we are terrible people.

[MFrohike]

161. Oh please

Internet martyrdom, even rhetorical, doesn't suit you.

It's not about history specific and we both know it. It was a weak attack in the heat of a campaign. It's got nothing to do with guarding the legacy or making sure the actual history gets heard. My problem wasn't the fact you attacked him, it's that, for what it's worth, I think you can do better than weak stuff like this.

[bravenak]

163. It is just pointing out one thing. Not a scandal.

Why get so upset if something is pointed out? Nobody is making this a big deal besides the folks going hard against a fact check. Dang.

[JustAnotherGen]

203. It was the I Am A Man Campaign for members of a

Public Employee Union.

The Union, the city, the State - all allowed for Separate But Unequal treatment of black Garbage Men.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=495134

Echole and Walker.

Know those names. Know who those two men were, know their union spit in their face, know they were paid less than their white male counterparts so they still needed welfare, know their families received lower compensation payments for their deaths than if they had been white.

Also know if they had been white they would have been able to take cover under a white home owners porch that day.

I'm not here for Sanders, Clinton, or O'Malley.

I'm here for two men whose deaths due to their unequal working, pay, death compensation conditions caused MLK to go there and stand with the black men begging to be recognized by their white lead union.

And you can call me a racist for pointing this out - you can accuse me of platitudes. You can throw out Bernice Kings name - matters not one iota to me.

I know the facts, I know precisely what happened and I didn't even need the google to write this out.

Say their Names!!! Walker and Echole.. Equal Pay and Benefits For Blavk men is why he was there in 1968. The white garbage workers had "got theirs" so they didn't care about those people.

[bravenak]

204. +1

[JustAnotherGen]

213. I love that you - the OP

Set me up! You threw me under the bus brave!

[bravenak]

221. Sorry!! But damn!

I knew I had read this from you before and it was VERY DIFFERENT. Like whoa? I swear..

[MFrohike]

209. Sigh

You know, replies like this just wear me out. The context of the sub-thread is clear, but you come charging in to make a point that's tangential to the discussion. It's not about what happened in 1968. If it was, there wouldn't be so much self-righteousness or passive-aggressiveness in this subthread. This discussion is about a petty complaint about the lack of a word in a particular sentence.

"And you can call me a racist for pointing this out - you can accuse me of platitudes. You can throw out Bernice Kings name - matters not one iota to me. " -- Spare me the drama. You're not a martyr, you're a poster on a message board.

Last I checked, I'm not here for a candidate either. I have a real problem with petty attacks that hijack the story of the past to make weak points in the heat of a campaign. It serves no one's interest and it will only foster divisions in the future. It's not a matter of telling the truth, it's a matter of scoring points, on a message board I might add, with no thought to the future. It's not a damn bit different than the threads trumpeting Sanders eating soul food in a tone that suggests he parted the Red Sea.

As for the actual history, yeah, I'm familiar with it. Rather than barge in and condescend to me, you could have asked. It'd have made you look better and me roll my eyes less.

[bravenak]

210. She looks perfect.

She is not trying to pretend that leaving out important facts should not matter to us as black people with our harsh history.

[MFrohike]

211. Cool

Hope that works out.

[JustAnotherGen]

215. My approach is hy I'm rich n/t

[bravenak]

220. .

[JustAnotherGen]

214. A effin men sister!

[JustAnotherGen]

212. Spare me the nonsense about being worn out

There is no drama. Don't know where you've been since July - when bravenak - the writer of the OP started taking heat around DU for truth telling. She's a fellow host in the AfAm Group - and she sees things as I do.

I will barge in where I want, when I want and the last person I took orders from died three years go.

I will roll my eyes and condescend all I want - as long as it doesn't break TOS.

It's a message board - you take what you need and leave the rest.

And what you have here is a piece of shit country with a history you have to acknowledge over and over again.

Bravenak's +1 outweighs your plea to be a good girl and only speak after I'm called on. Not gonna do it. So put me on ignore.

[MFrohike]

216. Cool

Hope that works out.

[betsuni]

137. But I overheard at the pub that Sanders ate SOUL FOOD. nt

[bravenak]

138. With KILLER MIKE. I changed my vote immediately.

[betsuni]

139. Me too. I was very impressed.

[bravenak]

140. I bet he's winning now.

[AgingAmerican]

148. Says the person

Who admittedly likes Sanders better, but only comes here to disrupt.

[bravenak]

151. I was here before he started campaigning. Hello!!

I can switch candidates. I have no idea why that bothers so many. I like him just fine as a person. But I do not want to help certain people get their way.

[AgingAmerican]

173. MLK supports Sanders

“There must be a better distribution of wealth and maybe America must move toward a democratic socialism.” -- Martin Luther King, Jr

[bravenak]

175. Fantasy

He's dead

[AgingAmerican]

177. If he were still alive he would be Bernie's campaign manager

“There must be a better distribution of wealth and maybe America must move toward a democratic socialism.” -- Martin Luther King, Jr

[bravenak]

178. Fantasy

[AgingAmerican]

179. Bernie Sanders is the embodyment of MLK's dream

...come to life. I don't expect you to acknowledge this obvious fact, given that you don't even like Hillary and admittedly only come here to disrupt.

“There must be a better distribution of wealth and maybe America must move toward a democratic socialism.” -- Martin Luther King, Jr

[bravenak]

180. Revisionist history, co opting, and much much more!

[AgingAmerican]

207. Show evidence otherwise

Sanders/MLK 2016!

MLK would NEVER back Hillary with her collapse-o-nomics, War Cries, inner city manufacturing job destroying TPP, and brushing off POC while taking them for granted .

[bravenak]

208. Umm hmm

[JustAnotherGen]

201. Uh - he would be 86

I don't think he would be doing that job.

[Truprogressive85]

155. PSA

pay her no mind its not worth it

[William769]

186. And people wonder why this nut job won't be President.

Wait, let me rephrase that, they are pissed this nut job won't be President.

Keep speaking Bernie. The more you speak, the bigger the hole.

[bravenak]

188. Ohhhh!!

Well, I just report the facts!!! Some get angry, but I can live with that.

[William769]

189. To bad they don't know what facts are.

[bravenak]

190. !

I try. I try to feed facts.

[moobu2]

192. Bernie Sanders will say anything and do anything to get himself elected.

He'll even change political party's, promise free healthcare, free college tuition, break up the banking system and cure income inequality. Now what's he promising? I don't even care any more.

[bravenak]

194. I am at that point too

Do not care. Words are wind.

[Kentonio]

198. 'Even' promise free healthcare and college tuition while breaking up the banks?

How dare he stoop so low!

[BootinUp]

199. +1

[Bobbie Jo]

205. K&R

Whitewash, lather, rinse, repeat....

[Cali_Democrat]

217. K&R

[Bohemianwriter]

225. No worse than when Hillary caims she has been working FOR...

the African American community tireesy the last 40 years...

I don't know what inspires all these strawmen, but I smell desperation. Nothing else.

To claim that what Bernie said was wrong in any way is pure nonsense.

He could have said Ghandi, and people would try to find something wrong with that too. It'¨s how repubicans have treated Obama for 7 years. Not strong enough, a dictator, pandering to "thugs", golfing, basketball. Bernie liking Motown? Must be something suspect with that too. Better have someone look into it!

And now, Bernie is all of a sudden a political opportunist because he stated that MLK has been an inspiraton for him. How DARE he!

How disrespectul!

To insinuate that MLK was also about workers rights in general, and that class warfare existed is just using MLKs name in a "sleazy campaign" to "hijack the black vote!"

Better let someone debunk that "myth".

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/herman-cain-insists-martin-luther-king-jr-did-not-preach-class-warfare


He should be more like HRC and her husband! Unlike Bernie, they don't come with "artful smear". They have said it like it is for 25 years the both of them.

[bravenak]

226. Why dont we start a new thread on this if you want to discuss it?

Just find something recent and pm me and we can hash it out. I hate doing zombie threads.

[Bohemianwriter]

229. I can be with you later...

What I cannot stand are bullshit polititians who think they can wave in an election on name recognition and empty talkking points to lure suckers in by the thousands...or even millions.

All I am asking for is people NOT vote in people who'¨s history has been of gross misjudgements where the consequences has been far worse than sore feelings on behalf of a political opportunist with close ties to Wall Street and the private prison industry as well as the arms industry.
I am in no favor of politicians who vote for money in politics and have gained from it Nor have no respect for people who vote against their own interests because someone were mean to them online, while in glee put every stock in making the tiniest straw man into a headline to make their rationale for voting for political dynasties easier.

I have no respect for people who says out loud "he isn't kissing my arse hard enough, and when he said Black Lives Matter, he is still the subject of venom and pure hate. Unlike HRC, he did not activelly push for laws that put millions of African-Americans in prison for non-violent crimes.
Nah! Let's ignore that and go after Bernie instead! He hasn't been "loyal" enough. Which means, he hasn't been traveling around speaking empty words. He practicesd them in Washington D.C.l every day when Hillary was doing speeches for Wall Street bankers who used cops as their private army to beat down OWS protesters...

The below is words as a veteran. Take them not lightly.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027593431

I'll endorse the Liberal Jew who wants to tax the rich and take on bankers.

[bravenak]

230. He voted yes on mass incarceration. You have that fact wrong.

[Bohemianwriter]

233. Did Bill & Hillary protest much?

That was a time even I was brainwashed enough to think that pot smoking was a criminal act.

Luckily, my tour of duty, and a few tokes after made me realize I have been taken for a sucker all my life.

But I am sure that if Bernie advocated for the Crimes Bill in 1994, it would disqualify him, and if Hillary advocated it, and her husband signed it, it's fine and dandy. At least that is how I understand the undertones.

What did Hillary say in comparison?

I don't know where your contempt for Bernie comes from, but your admiration of Hillary is beyond comprehend able.

If you want a woman as president, Elisabeth Warren is a much better choice. I'd give Warren my endorsement.

Hillary reminds me too much about Margrethe Thatcher.

I trust my BS detector. Hillary reeks of it.

[bravenak]

236. How about this? Hillary was wrong. Bill was wrong. Bernie was wrong.

Independently of each other they did wrong
Nobody was wronger. Wrong was just wrong

[Bohemianwriter]

237. Did you hear Bernie's speech in Congress? nt

[bravenak]

238. Did that speech nullify his vote? No.

[Bohemianwriter]

240. Apparently you APPROVE of Hillary's institutional racism

and give her a free pass on that, and then you blame Bernie for a bill that HILLARY AND BILL PROMOTED!


Your hatred of Bernie, blaming him is nothing more than irrational hatred. And if I was to be as disingenuous as you, I can say that the only reason why you hate Bernie is because you hate Jews.
Like said, I have no respect for people who suffer from the Stockholm syndrome giving the people who put you into shackles while blaming others for it.
You have earned no respect from me as long as you support a politician who has been pro fitting from the arms industry and have made bad decisions costing the lives of mi lions of people. But you don't giver a sunhat about that. Be4cause4 in your duded mind, "Bernie hasn't respected ME yet" and then you project the criticisms from his supporters over on him.

Please stop before you embarrass yourself more.

The meme last week from the Hillary camp is that Bernie supporters are sexists and racists.
This week, the meme is "Bernie hasn't pandered to the blacks (excusively enough)", that's why I am giving my vote for a woman who called my kids "Super predators 22 years ago!"

I think one meme should be "Hillary supporters are anti-semites who would rather have a Wall Street operative as president than a liberal Jew!" at least once during the campaign.
Because as stupid as it sounds, this has also been the bleating echos from Hillary supporters every time she or any of her surrogates have blown their dog whistle.

Like said, I have no respect for suckers who buys into cheap talking points and pandering without substance while taking huge checks from bankers whose institutional racism has made them rich.

[Bohemianwriter]

241. A few clarifications...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511199494

And almost every democrat supported the bill.

One might ask. You want to show leniency against serial rapists, child molesters, wife beaters and serial killers?

I for one thnk that putting pot smoking kids in that environment is a crime in itself.
Bernie Sanders wants to end the drug war. Hillary wants to continue it.

What do you think?

[californiabernin]

228. Recommended! Go Sanders! Keep speaking the truth to power!

[thereismore]

231. So, does Sanders get partial credit in this history lesson or not at all? nt

[bravenak]

232. No. It counted against him for leaving out the fact that the workers were black men

[thereismore]

234. You are such a warrior for truth, yet you embrace Hllary regardless

of her lies and outrageous things she has said about black children. The double standard is painfully obvious. You are losing credibility, and for whom? For Hillary. She ain't worth it.

[bravenak]

235. I Rarely discuss hillary

I used to

He needs to BUILD credibility
My opinion of him has bothing to do with her and her flaws or failures. Nothing

[thereismore]

239. Just tell me you are running these threads just to make Bernie a better candidate

and you will have lost your credibility altogether.

BTW why don't you talk about Hillary anymore? What happened?