2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumISIS is because senators, including Hillary supported the invasion
of Iraq and the slaughter of a million Iraqis. Iraq, who had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks,had not attacked us and were not about to attack us.
The Iraq war, championed and pushed by Hillary gave rise to ISIS, and it was predictable and foreseeable.
We are still suffering the aftermath of the vote. It is why her then poor judgment (or worse) still matters.
I do not trust anyone to respond appropriately today who was so very very wrong then.
Metric System
(6,048 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)But that would be generous.
ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)msongs
(67,347 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)bigtree
(85,974 posts)...under the War Powers Act, Congress accepts or rejects deployments like Bush's by approving or withholding funding. They can pass all the resolutions they want, but if they don't fund the deployments they fizzle out and end. That's the ONLY significant lever Congress has to control or restrain a president's military activity.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)bigtree
(85,974 posts)...wars end when Congress stops funding them. That's what the anti-occupation initiatives in 2007 were all about.
Best way to support the troops? Bring them home.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)See it's complicated freedom is a gift you give to people by blowing up their hospitals and sewage systems and schools for no apparent reason whatsoever and you take their oil and that's freedom.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)The gifts that keep on giving.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)That's actually quite disgusting, knowing how many suffered so terribly, and do so to this day. I saw photos of little children scooping up water in their little pails with a bloated corpse floating by. The Abu Ghraib torture, the horrible bombs left behind blowing of their limbs, the chemicals causing horrific birth abnormalities and deaths, a ruined infrastructure (or what sanctions hadn't already destroyed). Women who had previously been doctors, lawyers, teachers - kidnapped in the streets - raped and murdered. Her comment reminds me of "we think it was worth" it by Albright when questioned about the deaths of half a million children in the brutal sanctions. Or maybe, "Why should I bother my beautiful mind". I will never in my lifetime understand anyone who even thinks this way.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)The quote was included in an email released by the State Department on Wednesday that specifically mentioned JPMorgan and Exxon Mobil. JPMorgan was selected by the U.S. government to run a key import-export bank in Iraq and in 2013 announced plans to expand its operations in the country. Exxon Mobil signed a deal to redevelop Iraqi oil fields. JPMorgan has collectively paid the Clintons and the Clinton Foundation at least $450,000 for speeches, and Exxon Mobil has donated over $1 million to the familys foundation.
Hillary 2008: "We have to make clear to the Iraqis that they have been given the greatest gift that a human being can give another human being the gift of freedom."
Hillary 2011: It's time for the United States to start thinking of Iraq as a business opportunity"
So you see it's quite nuts.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)AzDar
(14,023 posts)...to paraphrase HRC...
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)of giving a speech to convince others. She had a choice and she chose to side with the Republicon and turn her back on Democrats.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)She voted FOR a measure to give the executive branch - under the Bush administration - sweeping power to declare war. She voted AGAINST the Levin amendment to it, which would have required diplomacy and a congressional vote to go to war. Then she stood in front of the Senate and parroted, verbatim, the Bush administration propaganda for war.
Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton wanted war with iraq.
Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)mike_c
(36,269 posts)No amount of damage control or revisionist history can ever change the way she used her one opportunity to oppose a war of aggression and crimes against humanity.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)ronnykmarshall
(35,356 posts)Hillary doesn't fly COACH!!!!
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Another day, another transparently thin RE meme trotted out for display and denial on DU!
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)K and R
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)He needs to take responsibility of his votes, Clinton has on her vote.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)He was right to vote against the most recent IS vote.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)philly_bob
(2,419 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
mountain grammy
(26,598 posts)and reckless administration is very troubling, especially given the consequences.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)...of so many factors that I can not begin to list them all. This OP oversimplifies the issue.