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morningfog

(18,115 posts)
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 08:38 PM Nov 2015

ISIS is because senators, including Hillary supported the invasion

of Iraq and the slaughter of a million Iraqis. Iraq, who had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks,had not attacked us and were not about to attack us.

The Iraq war, championed and pushed by Hillary gave rise to ISIS, and it was predictable and foreseeable.

We are still suffering the aftermath of the vote. It is why her then poor judgment (or worse) still matters.

I do not trust anyone to respond appropriately today who was so very very wrong then.

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ISIS is because senators, including Hillary supported the invasion (Original Post) morningfog Nov 2015 OP
Over-simplification. Metric System Nov 2015 #1
Her vote? I guess you could say that. morningfog Nov 2015 #2
Not really. ThePhilosopher04 Nov 2015 #37
good thing bernie votes to fund and continue the process :-) nt msongs Nov 2015 #3
Sen Sanders votes are to support the troops not the war. nm rhett o rick Nov 2015 #5
how does Congress end wars? bigtree Nov 2015 #10
Are you suggesting that Sanders not vote to support our troops in the field? nm rhett o rick Nov 2015 #16
I think that's a specious argument used to coerce legislators into supporting immoral deployments bigtree Nov 2015 #21
I agree. nm rhett o rick Nov 2015 #33
You just don't understand the gift of freedom Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #4
They've been given the gift of Depleated Uranium, unfound land mines and cluster bombs. rhett o rick Nov 2015 #8
Uranium you say? Do yourself a favor and never google images for birth defects in fallujah Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #13
Collateral damage. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #34
OMG Did she really say that?? polly7 Nov 2015 #19
Think of it as a business opportunity Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #22
It's just *'ing gross. Sorry to be so blunt. nt. polly7 Nov 2015 #23
It's the worst. Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #24
She came. She voted. They died. AzDar Nov 2015 #30
Without question that vote is a blemish. Would there be an ISIS w/o the Iraq War? EndElectoral Nov 2015 #6
Hillary did not support invading Iraq. I can't stand her, but that's totally dishonest. KittyWampus Nov 2015 #7
If she didn't support invading Iraq then she should have told Bush to go to hell instead rhett o rick Nov 2015 #9
No, it's certainly not Scootaloo Nov 2015 #11
Look at her rhetoric and how she voted for the war. Feeling the Bern Nov 2015 #29
she voted for it.... mike_c Nov 2015 #36
The Blame Clinton syndrome is much like the Blame Obama syndrome. Logical failures. Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #12
AND!! ronnykmarshall Nov 2015 #14
Her Secret Service detail probably would object, don't you think? Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #18
Yup. bigwillq Nov 2015 #15
Sanders has back military action more times than Clinton and he voted against the ISIS Resolution. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #17
Which of his votes for military action lead to IS? morningfog Nov 2015 #25
I don't know, you'll have to answer that maybe the Afhhanistan. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #26
And the government decided on "regime change" in Syria. /nt philly_bob Nov 2015 #20
Yup. zentrum Nov 2015 #27
Thank You For Sharing These Truths cantbeserious Nov 2015 #28
At the end of the day, her vote and support for an incompetent mountain grammy Nov 2015 #31
ISIS is because... McCamy Taylor Nov 2015 #32
K&R. nt. polly7 Nov 2015 #35

bigtree

(85,974 posts)
10. how does Congress end wars?
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 09:01 PM
Nov 2015

...under the War Powers Act, Congress accepts or rejects deployments like Bush's by approving or withholding funding. They can pass all the resolutions they want, but if they don't fund the deployments they fizzle out and end. That's the ONLY significant lever Congress has to control or restrain a president's military activity.

bigtree

(85,974 posts)
21. I think that's a specious argument used to coerce legislators into supporting immoral deployments
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 09:15 PM
Nov 2015

...wars end when Congress stops funding them. That's what the anti-occupation initiatives in 2007 were all about.

Best way to support the troops? Bring them home.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
4. You just don't understand the gift of freedom
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 08:54 PM
Nov 2015


See it's complicated freedom is a gift you give to people by blowing up their hospitals and sewage systems and schools for no apparent reason whatsoever and you take their oil and that's freedom.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
8. They've been given the gift of Depleated Uranium, unfound land mines and cluster bombs.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 08:59 PM
Nov 2015

The gifts that keep on giving.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
19. OMG Did she really say that??
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 09:07 PM
Nov 2015

That's actually quite disgusting, knowing how many suffered so terribly, and do so to this day. I saw photos of little children scooping up water in their little pails with a bloated corpse floating by. The Abu Ghraib torture, the horrible bombs left behind blowing of their limbs, the chemicals causing horrific birth abnormalities and deaths, a ruined infrastructure (or what sanctions hadn't already destroyed). Women who had previously been doctors, lawyers, teachers - kidnapped in the streets - raped and murdered. Her comment reminds me of "we think it was worth" it by Albright when questioned about the deaths of half a million children in the brutal sanctions. Or maybe, "Why should I bother my beautiful mind". I will never in my lifetime understand anyone who even thinks this way.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
22. Think of it as a business opportunity
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 09:18 PM
Nov 2015
“It's time for the United States to start thinking of Iraq as a business opportunity," she said in a 2011 speech.

The quote was included in an email released by the State Department on Wednesday that specifically mentioned JPMorgan and Exxon Mobil. JPMorgan was selected by the U.S. government to run a key import-export bank in Iraq and in 2013 announced plans to expand its operations in the country. Exxon Mobil signed a deal to redevelop Iraqi oil fields. JPMorgan has collectively paid the Clintons and the Clinton Foundation at least $450,000 for speeches, and Exxon Mobil has donated over $1 million to the family’s foundation.
http://www.ibtimes.com/campaign-2016-hillary-clinton-pitched-iraq-business-opportunity-us-corporations-2121999

Hillary 2008: "We have to make clear to the Iraqis that they have been given the greatest gift that a human being can give another human being – the gift of freedom."

Hillary 2011: “It's time for the United States to start thinking of Iraq as a business opportunity"

So you see it's quite nuts.
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
9. If she didn't support invading Iraq then she should have told Bush to go to hell instead
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 09:01 PM
Nov 2015

of giving a speech to convince others. She had a choice and she chose to side with the Republicon and turn her back on Democrats.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
11. No, it's certainly not
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 09:02 PM
Nov 2015

She voted FOR a measure to give the executive branch - under the Bush administration - sweeping power to declare war. She voted AGAINST the Levin amendment to it, which would have required diplomacy and a congressional vote to go to war. Then she stood in front of the Senate and parroted, verbatim, the Bush administration propaganda for war.

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton wanted war with iraq.

mike_c

(36,269 posts)
36. she voted for it....
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 08:15 PM
Nov 2015

No amount of damage control or revisionist history can ever change the way she used her one opportunity to oppose a war of aggression and crimes against humanity.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
18. Her Secret Service detail probably would object, don't you think?
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 09:07 PM
Nov 2015

Another day, another transparently thin RE meme trotted out for display and denial on DU!

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
17. Sanders has back military action more times than Clinton and he voted against the ISIS Resolution.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 09:05 PM
Nov 2015

He needs to take responsibility of his votes, Clinton has on her vote.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
25. Which of his votes for military action lead to IS?
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 09:58 PM
Nov 2015

He was right to vote against the most recent IS vote.

mountain grammy

(26,598 posts)
31. At the end of the day, her vote and support for an incompetent
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:07 PM
Nov 2015

and reckless administration is very troubling, especially given the consequences.

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
32. ISIS is because...
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:39 PM
Nov 2015

...of so many factors that I can not begin to list them all. This OP oversimplifies the issue.

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