These "Hillary is so going to be the nominee and you will like it" threads are WAY off-putting.

[reformist2]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by BooScout (a host of the 2016 Postmortem forum).

I mean, do you guys actually like shoving your candidate down our throats????

If you keep it up, don't be surprised when Jeb Bush is elected president next fall.

[djean111]

1. Stepped up a bit lately, too.

I am now permanently put off.

[winter is coming]

3. Kinda makes me wonder what has happened or failed to happen to spur such an effort. n/t

[KingCharlemagne]

9. I've started augmenting my Ignore list today with some of the

more strident HRC supporters. I no longer care to listen to anything any of them have to say.

[djean111]

10. Good idea that I am almost there with you, on.

I used to just laugh, but that crap is getting tedious and accomplishes nothing.

[KingCharlemagne]

13. They're making me a swing vote (swinging between Dems and Socialists). I'm

in California, so it's something of a moot point. I may not even bother to vote in the GE, if the choice is between Nazi and Repub-lite.

[randys1]

53. So you may NOT support the Democratic Party if you dont get your way?

BTW, I am a reluctant Democratic party member.

I think the Democratic Party is far too rightwing, that we need an actual liberal party and we dont have one.

I dont give a SHIT about party loyalty, I do give a SHIT about Women dying in back alleys because the SC has reversed Roe.

So save, all of you, your LOYALTY OATH fucking bullshit, this is about life and death.

When you agree with me that land ownership and capitalism are terrible ideas, then you will be in my political party, whatever that is.

[KingCharlemagne]

61. SCOTUS is about the only reason I can even

consider a vote for HRC, so I hear you. But HRC is a bit wobbly herself on the right to choose. So im not supremely confident that her administration will strongly support Roe. But I will probably vote for her if Sanders endorses her. Not without holding my nose, mind you.

[randys1]

64. Wow, you wont even agree that Hillary is pro choice? Amazing.

What happened to people who have this EXTREME view of a mainstream, standard politician.

Were you this angry at ALL other politicians who are all the same?

[KingCharlemagne]

69. Hillary does not support abortion on demand. she does not

Even support taxpayer-assisted abortion services. So I describe her support for Choice as wobbly.

[randys1]

71. Wasnt aware of those two points, can you link me? Sincere request

[KingCharlemagne]

77. on this shitty tablet right now, so can't immediately. Once wife gives me

Laptop, ill see what I can find and pm you.

[artislife]

78. We read your posts

And you seem to be unaware of your love for little h. Just admit it and live authentically. You are a third way lover.

[randys1]

79. This is an immature response.

I love democratic socialism, and beyond

such as

no individual can own any land anywhere on the planet
double taxes on the rich and corps
implement tariffs to result in manufacturing here
outlaw vehicles that get under a certain mpg
make voting a right that all of us have the moment we turn 18, no ID required
all access to the internet guaranteed by the govt
all access to cell phone lines/towers, whatever you want to call it, controlled by the govt, not free but damn near
all healthcare govt etc like medicare

again, NO land ownership by individuals or corps.

that is just a start....wanna talk about my politics some more?

[Cassiopeia]

82. So why do you so rabidly support Clinton?

She is the polar opposite of your positions.

[Duckhunter935]

86. I know, right

Must not be very strong convictions, lol

[randys1]

90. Are you being insincere or have you never read my posts?

Show me ONE of my posts where I rabidly support her, or for that matter, support her AT ALL in the primary

Then, when you cant do that, look at what I have said hundreds of times about the vast differences between the parties on very important issues.

[Le Taz Hot]

59. You have to vote in the G.E.

Boxer's seat is up.

[KingCharlemagne]

73. good point. wish she were candidate for Prez! - nt

[heaven05]

96. like I said elsewhere

don't vote at your own peril. And watch what happens if the nazi does get in. At least our candidate, as POTUS, will have to listen to us while the nazi will only send jackboots to squelch opposition.

[Dustlawyer]

31. Some of them are paid trolls, not usually hard to figure out.

To be fair, there are obnoxious supporters on both sides, a small but vocal group. We just need to keep spreading Bernie's message. We have to fight the MSM who will minimize Bernie until they can't anymore, then they will do it some more. It's one of the main reasons we are fighting for him, to get rid of the propaganda machine.

[redwitch]

20. My ignore list is Yooge!

Threads are much shorter lately.

[Fuddnik]

65. There's something wrong with the ignore function.

I just started using it. But, some people are apparently unignorable. I still see their posts, and double check my list, and they're still on Full Ignore.

[redwitch]

87. I have noticed that too.

I don't know why.

[leftofcool]

2. Maybe it is a push back for posts like this.............

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=788136

[djean111]

4. Doubties. It just looks like "theme of the week".

Not based on issues at all.

[MyNameGoesHere]

94. Interns is the theme of the week

you got to pay attention.

[djean111]

95. Ah. Yes, I saw that. That is an old repeat. n/t

[NCTraveler]

5. Or pushback for all of the conservative articles brought here these days to attack her.

You and I know these articles aren't being brought here for "discussion" purposes. They are being brought here as it is where some of them go for their first reads. Conservative sites. Then they attempt to find a less "conservative" outlet that is carrying the story they want to dump here. It's a little fun shoving Clinton in that groups faces. They are conservatives. Who gives a shit. It's fun riling them up.

[Live and Learn]

18. Wrong, Hillary let us down. Many of us are ex-supporters,

She voted for the Iraq War among other things. You may have forgotten but many of us haven't and never will. Or maybe thousands of deaths just aren't that important to you? How about the thousands now in prison due to policies she supports?

[NCTraveler]

22. Not one point of my post is wrong and you didn't adress it in any way.

I could give you link after link of Sanders supporting wars to the tune of trillions. Sanders voting to support aid to foreign armies that don't work in our best interests. Links showing one of Sanders greatest legislative achievements was to stop a pathway to citizenship for over ten million people. Links showing where Sanders supported on of the most egregious deregulation bills of the last two decades. Links showing his unwavering support for the F-35, which was billed as a bad ass killing machine.

Why won't I? Because you simply don't care. That is clear by the fact you simply deflected from my post and went off in your own direction. Truly not one part of your reply has to do with what I said. I get it, Clinton voted for the IWR so Coulter is good reading material here now. A post here yesterday from a Sanders supporter originated on FR. That is literally the direction you went here. Those things are justifiable because of Clintons IWR vote. There is a great mental disconnect here. Including with your understanding of Sanders history.

[Live and Learn]

27. Trying to justify Hillary's politically expediant vote for the Iraq War by using

Sander's votes to clean up the mess she and others left is ridiculous.

'We' broke it, 'we' have to do what 'we' can to make it right.

And your ridiculous assertion that you won't post what you then posted is just silly.

[NCTraveler]

29. I truly wouldn't know where to start with your thought process.

Not one thing I did was to justify Clintons awful vote. Not one thing. So you are simply blatantly wrong there.

"Sander's votes to clean up the mess she and others left is ridiculous. "

Sanders has voted to support the arming of foreign armies that have nothing to do with Iraq to clean up other mess? Sorry, there is no intelligence behind your thought there.

"'We' broke it, 'we' have to do what 'we' can to make it right."

A vote for one of the larges deregulation bills of the last two decades didn't fix shit that's broke. It has brought us further down the rabbit hole. Votes to arm foreign countries not friendly to the US hasn't helped to fix shit that we broke. The F-35 is broke and Sanders fought to have it in his own back yard.

"And your ridiculous assertion that you won't post what you then posted is just silly."

Not even going to try to make sense of that.

[Live and Learn]

33. Sorry, you lost me at you 'wouldn't know where to start,' before you did start. nt

[NCTraveler]

40. Now that I get and it makes perfect sense. Thanks. nt.

[Hepburn]

70. I am an ex Hillary supporter...have her bumper stickers sitting in my mail basket n/t

[NCTraveler]

83. That is cool to hear. You are currently supporting a pretty damn good egg.

I'm also going to guess you don't disseminate Coulter or any host of other conservatives here. I wish you the best in your support of Sanders. I have said over and over again that many of his supporters are the best the party has to offer.

[Scootaloo]

81. What conservative articles?

You guys keep claiming Sanders supporters are trotting out conservative articles against clinton...

And then you decide to source fucking STORMFRONT to attack the Jewish man running for the nomination? You pull up the Washington Examiner? You heave that vomitous mass Froma Harrop at us. You go headhunting for the nastiest anti-Bernie articles you can find on "refreshingnews.blogspot.com."

It's sort of like how you people cry about how mean we are for hammering on Clinton's senate votes, and then you run out and call Sanders a rapist gun nut pedophile-protector who is secretly a republican segregationist with his head between women's legs only supported by white supremacists.

[A Simple Game]

62. Excellent post, thanks I hadn't seen it. It's nice that we all share information

on the candidates.

Again, thanks for bringing that post to my attention and spreading the truth about Hillary.

[leftofcool]

89. I have no doubt you like the content of the post.

[upaloopa]

6. Welcome to reality. The PEOPLE want Hillary. Nobody is shoving anything down your throat.

You just happen to be in the minority. Stop with not voting in the general. It's juvenile.

[floppyboo]

11. The 'You are a looser minority' thing arguement might not like this reality...

from Western Illinois University. Admittedly, it does not show a match-up with Hillary and 'X'. But, WOW! http://firebrandleft.com/university-100-accuracy-record-predicts-bernie-sanders-will-americas-next-president/

[upaloopa]

15. Who used the word loser here? This is a primary. There are three candidates, All of us who want

take part do. Right now more of us prefer Hillary. That's just the way it is.

[MineralMan]

21. Nobody said that, but if they had, they'd have

spelled "loser" correctly, I'm sure.

[Live and Learn]

32. Gosh, your posts are so intelligent and your English so flawless.

I can't imagine how people don't see your superiority and kowtow to the revelations you post here.

[MineralMan]

35. Res ipsa loquitur...

Translation: The thing speaks for itself.

[Live and Learn]

39. The Ego is great but the mind not so much... me. nt

[daleanime]

12. On-line is still the only place.....

where I've found people 'ready for Hillary'. In real life it's more like Resigned for Hillary.

[upaloopa]

14. Ready for Hillary was in place well before she announced her candidacy.

I contributed then and still do.

[daleanime]

17. Yeahup, the money was in place....

on that we agree. Have a great day.

[upaloopa]

19. How do you think we can win against the repubs if we don't have the money in place?

[daleanime]

28. I think money is our biggest opponent.....

and that it will only take us where it wants to go. Look at our response to climate change. It's a good thing that money has been allowed it's 'right to free speech'.

Sorry to be kind of growly, but if we don't start addressing that issue now we never will.

And I'm off, time to make the magic happen

[MoonRiver]

46. That's why she's ahead of Bernie in virtually every poll.

[Live and Learn]

16. Feel the Bern or miss out on your chance to be on the right side of history. Your choice. nt.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

7. The same can be said

of some of the pro-Bernie/anti-Hillary posts here too. We all *should* be able to respect each other's choices without flinging mud at each other/being disrespectful.

[daleanime]

8. Then they're doing....

what what they were intended to do.

[DanTex]

23. How about the "Sanders is going to be a nominee and you will like it" threads.

[TDale313]

24. Yeah, it's obnoxious.

And imo does nothing to further their candidate's cause.

[MohRokTah]

25. That's too bad because Hillary WILL BE the nominee.

Whether or not you like it is up to you.

[NorthCarolina]

48. Thank your lucky stars for our easily compromisable voting system then. nt

[MohRokTah]

50. .

[Duckhunter935]

26. Yep

That they are

[randome]

34. The line from "In Flanders Fields": "Take up our quarrel with the foe."

No one has said what you posted. Let's use our ammo where it will do the most good.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]“If you're not committed to anything, you're just taking up space.”
Gregory Peck, Mirage (1965)[/center][/font][hr]

[Ed Suspicious]

36. Hillary supporters are cool. Hillarians are like heartburn. Irritating & persistent. They cause me

discomfort. I've remade my world with the help of ignore. It isn't perfect, but I hate even imagining what the rest of you who don't use it are seeing nowadays.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

37. Jeb Bush will be running as an independent ?

EOM

[deutsey]

38. Fortunately for Clinton

I still intend to vote for her if she's the nominee despite what I see from some of her supporters here.

[gordyfl]

41. "Follow the Money"

Hillary is beholden to no one except those that are paying big bucks for her to do exactly what they invested in - Big Pharma, Big Banks, Goldman Sachs, Big OIl, Foreign Investors (through the Foundation), etc., etc., etc.

Bernie? He works for me. And You.

Big Difference.

[MohRokTah]

44. It is illegal for corporations to donate to a candidate's campaign. eom

[NorthCarolina]

49. unless they do so through Super PAC's.

I doubt they would use that avenue though, right?

[MohRokTah]

51. Super PACs cannot coordinate or have contact with a candidate's campaign under the law. eom

[Duckhunter935]

54. except Hiillary is doing just that

Hillary Clinton plans to coordinate directly with super PAC

Hillary Clinton's campaign intends to coordinate directly with a newly formed super PAC able to receive unlimited donations, according to a Washington Post report.

The Democratic presidential candidate's campaign will work in conjunction with Correct the Record, an independent rapid-response team, previously a part of super PAC American Bridge, which conducts opposition research on Republican presidential candidates and possible GOP presidential candidates. The New York Times first reported Tuesday that Correct the Record would split from its parent organization to support the Clinton campaign.

Though Federal Election Commission (FEC) rules prohibit direct coordination between super PACs and declared candidates, Correct the Record believes it will be able to coordinate with Clinton without violating campaign finance regulations.

The FEC restricts paid internet political advertisements, making them subject to campaign spending limits and disclosure requirements. However, a 2006 FEC rule exempts "public communications" -- like unpaid posts on websites or blogs -- from such regulations. The rules were initially implemented as a safeguard against regulating the free speech of bloggers and other internet communications.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-plans-to-coordinate-directly-with-super-pac/

[NorthCarolina]

60. Yes, I'm quite sure it's all on the up-and-up.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

93. Right. However, you don't take anything off the table when the enemy is pure evil.....

Amirite?

[Dem2]

42. I agree with you

but the threat of a Republican win at the end wasn't necessary.

While both sides are equally off-putting, I'm not going to let some hyperbole on one particular website affect who I vote for.

[Hepburn]

43. At the beginning of the primary season, I acutally was going to support Hillary and donated to her

Then I went to Bernie and was in a position of not liking and/or disliking Hillary.

Thanks to her supporters on this board, I have been totally offended by the remarks and conduct -- in particular the fly and the fly swatter gif which celebrates the demise of a long-time DUer who contributed much to this place. I have put anyone with that gif on ignore. In nearly 12 years on the DU, this is the first time I have ever had to use the ignore feature. The level of nastiness evidenced this primary season is appalling.

I am now in a position of dislike of Hillary...if she is like many of those who supporter her, she is NOT anyone I wish to support at this time. The amount of pure nastiness and smart-mouth remarks is unwarranted on this site.

This alerts on posts and threads is also out of hand. There have been simply no reason for most of the alerts which I have seen when I have served on a jury. This goes both ways, but I do have to say that the majority of the unsubstantiated ones did come from one side rather than the other.

JMHO

[Duckhunter935]

57. I feel the same way

one of the reasons I donate to Bernie.

[Hepburn]

66. Sad, isn't it.

IMO: The vituperative manner of some of the Hillary supporters is turning people off from their candidate of choice. I am particularly offended by the fly swatter animated gif. That is totally offensive. Celebrating the banning of a long-time DU member. Over the top and just down right mean.

I think that is what is bothering me the most -- yes, some who support Bernie definitely show a mean, snotty streak. However, I have never in nearly 12 years on this board seen anything like the nastiness of some of the Hillary supporters. They have totally turned me off from their candidate.

I will not donate to her if she is the nominee, I will not work against her. However, since the time I was 12 years old and worked for JFK in 1960, this will be my first prez election wherein I have not worked for the nominee. I cannot support the kind of nastiness I have seen.

Sad, so very sad.

[Duckhunter935]

84. Yes it is and they think they are so clever

By not saying out load they are celebrating but doing the same dog whistle crap the republicans do. They then deny anything when called on that crap.

[stonecutter357]

45. UMADBRO?

[gordyfl]

47. Hillary's Top Donors

Goldman, JP Morgan, Citigroup, etc.

Open Secrets....


https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cid=N00000019&cycle=Career


Bernie Sanders Top Donors

Open Secrets....


https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cycle=Career&cid=N00000528

[DFW]

56. Both of those stats say, "Since 1989."

Anything more recent, as in "since 2014?" It might help give a more up-to-date picture of what is coming from where as it pertains to the 2016 election. Barring that, maybe a year-by-year breakdown?

[jeff47]

67. Does Clinton have amnesia?

Is she unable to remember who donated to her Senate campaign?

[DFW]

75. I was referring to the chart posted, not Clinton's or Sanders' memory, both of which seem intact

The chart groups all contributions since 1989, and gives no indications as to who the donors are this cycle.

[HassleCat]

52. Look at it like a job

We get up reluctantly, dose ourselves with coffee, trudge to work, try to avoid the boss, sidestep the annoying co-workers, and live for the weekend. It's our job to vote Democratic.

[gordyfl]

55. Hillary ---> Super PAC

Hillary Clinton's campaign intends to coordinate directly with a newly formed super PAC able to receive unlimited donations, according to a Washington Post report.

CBS News....

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-plans-to-coordinate-directly-with-super-pac/

[Squinch]

58. When you say that Jeb Bush will be elected, you are really saying two things:

First, that you agree that Hillary is the likely nominee.

Second, that many Bernie supporters will not vote for her.

If that is the case, a Jeb Bush presidency would not be the fault of the people who think Hillary is the more likely nominee. Because at this point she clearly is. That's just the way it is. Sorry if that is upsetting to you. If she lost, it would be the fault of moronic Democratic voters who stayed home. To teach her a lesson. Or whatever it is you are saying.

I am an undecided primary voter, and I like both of the candidates.

But many Bernie supporters are so infantile (this OP being an example of that childishness) that I am now leaning toward Hillary because I think that if Bernie does win the nomination, you guys will absolutely turn needed voters away from him. I never thought I could ever make the decision based on a candidates followers, but I really think many of Bernie's supporters are such a liability to him among the absolutely necessary demographics of women and people of color, that I think they would sink his candidacy.

And personally, a Jeb Bush presidency is not acceptable to me, even if, as you seem to be saying, it is acceptable to many Bernie supporters.

[NurseJackie]

63. It's push-back. People are likely more bothered by push-back they disagree with.

Also, Bernie's followers appear to be in the majority at this website, so they're probably more accustomed to mostly seeing posts that they agree with.

[moobu2]

68. You dont have to like it but she's still going to be the nominee.

[Hepburn]

72. Congrats on your crystal ball for 2016...

...how well did that work for Hillary in 2008?

Just curious...

[moobu2]

92. It worked fine but this isn't 2008 and Bernie Sanders isn't Barack Obama.

[HomerRamone]

76. These posts are disrespectful and anti-democratic. ONE YEAR OUT and all voting is a symbolic sham nt

[mmonk]

74. They are meant to be. Let them fall. No skin off your teeth.

[UglyGreed]

80. When someone shoves things down my

throat it usually ends up like this

[stopbush]

85. So, what a supporter says about a particular candidate

is going to cause you to not vote for a candidate, even though the candidate themself has nothing to do with what the supporter says.

That's mature.

[brush]

88. Jeb Bush? At least use another repug name 'cause Bush is not going to last much longer.

[SheilaT]

91. Keep in mind -- and this is what the Hillary crowd seems to have totally forgotten --

this time eight years ago Hillary was 30 or more points ahead of Barack Obama in the polling. This place was full of arrogant Clintonistas who were telling us pretty much that there was no point in holding a single primary or caucus because Hillary Was Inevitable.

They're saying the same thing now, and I do think they are wrong once again. I think that just like eight years ago a lot of people are saying they'd vote for her still believe, because they keep on being told, that Bernie is unelectable. Just like eight years ago a black man was unelectable. The tide will turn once Bernie wins his first caucus or primary, just as happened with Obama.

Something like 60percent of Democrats have an unfavorable view of Hillary. It's probably well above 80% with Republicans. If she's the nominee, not only will a small but possibly significant number of voters who'd otherwise vote for the Democratic nominee stay home, but others will crawl out of the woodwork, some who haven't voted in years, to vote against her. It won't be pretty.

And don't think for a nanosecond that there is such a longing out there for a woman President that vast numbers of women will cross party lines to vote for her. Does anyone honestly believe if the election came down to Carly Fiorina vs Bernie Sanders Democratic women would vote for the woman?

[BooScout]

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